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Why does every debate on the Free Market always hold the underlying assumption that greater choice = better society or that greater choice = happier society?

There is no basis for this. The level of debate always begins from the position that all regulation is therefore evil as it restricts choice and paints the other guy as some authoritarian wishing to restrict the freedom of citizens but isn't this authority actually switching from government to corporate bodies in that you have to trust they are telling the truth?


Because of the underlying premise of this debate, it always shoehorns the person who believes in some regulation into a corner because the debate has inherently been set up on the assumption that greater choice = better society but this isn't an A Priori rule.


What are your thoughts?

(Disclaimer, I hold no opinions on either side and as this thread comes under Economics, it therefore comes under Social Science and as a result, it is in a broad sense Anthropogenic and Philosophically related)
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I posit that the free market doesn't allow for the improvement of choices. Neither does centralization of Government.

Tedhnological expansion and improvement of intellectual occupations do this.
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Yes, Free Market is not perfect.
While greater choice does not equal a happier society (try measuring happiness anyway), it helps to reduce confrontation. The more you regulate, the more incentives you give to rebel against the system. A higher degree of freedom is expected to be more politically stable even if it doesn't guarantee a beter lifestyle.
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>>2159811
Behavioural Economics has sought to clarify such problems in its investigation of the manner in which information is shared and not shared between consumers and sellers.

I do not understand how Free Marketeers can continue to rely on this underlying assumption throughout all methods of debate.

Surely what we should be driving towards is a greater standard of living or longevity of such living not greater choice!

If I were to tell a Free Marketeer that we ought to restrict the ability for one to murder another, they would wholeheartedly agree! "Of course!" they would say! But when it comes to say restricting the ability for an individual who holds position in office to not be allowed to move from the public sector to the private sector after his retirement, they cry out that we are restricting their freedoms!

Well, I very much would like to tell you, it matters not to me if the freedoms of such an individual are restricted if they got into the job knowing such a thing would take place and knowing that such a decision would serve as a conflict of interest!

That isn't to say I am against the Free Market, only to the manner in which the debate is taken.

What evidence exists that IQ and civilization/ability to develop are related? What evidence exists that current average IQs are reflective of the historical intelligence of people in certain areas?

This is a crippling thing for all of those biological determinists out there, I think. Today, the IQ in the middle east region is fairly low, whereas a mere couple centuries ago they helped revitalize science and philosophy in the west after the fall of Rome by preserving and expanding upon Greek texts and, even more importantly, invented algebra. How can that idea be reconciled with them having far below average IQs?

Ethiopia has had civilization for thousands of years, one of the first states to adopt Christianity, managed to fight off Europeans until 1936... And their IQ is 64 today? How is that reconciled?

Greece has got one of the lower IQs in Europe, and yet they produced the most influential thinkers for the west? How is that reconciled?

India? Extremely important culturally/religiously, plenty of important contributions to mathematics and whatnot... And they've got an IQ of 82? Huh?

It seems to me that there are three options here: Either IQ doesn't matter much at all on a macrohistorical level, IQ can change very quickly (as in over the course of decades as a result of education), or IQ is mismeasured. Which one is it?
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why don't the iqtards come out of the woodwork when a good thread posing them questions appears
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>>2159624
Korea used to be an East Asian backwater but it's developed
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>>2159755
Indeed. Once was a backwater, all of the sudden a major financial/economic player. I'd say their development was fueled by American investment and whatnot, but many (especially on this site) would say their IQ had something to do with it.

I think that's rubbish. If any /pol/ users would like to refute my OP, feel free. I'll be waiting.

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What's the logical conclusion of human society? Personally I don't think we'll ever be able to get our shit together due to our incompetence and generally corruptible nature. We need a benevolent AI to rule.
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>>2159472
>What's the logical conclusion of human society?


There isn't one. There will most likely be an endless progression of new forms of societal organization, which all are designed to solve the problems of yesterday and will create the problems of tomorrow.
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>>2159472
i think humanity will eventually go into nuclear war and we will all start humanity over as spearchuckers
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>>2159472
>Personally I don't think we'll ever be able to get our shit together due to our incompetence and generally corruptible nature.

We are on the verge of being able to modify our own nature, with things like genetic engineering. What will society look like if the dumbest person alive is as smart as the smartest person alive now? I don't know.

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Opinions on this book?
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>>2159412
Right about everything.
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>>2159412
It's a dangerous book.
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>>2159412
>>2159441
Apart from the part regarding slav civilization.

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Tell me about WWII sniping. Why are there no american or english snipers, let alone Japanese, with killcounts being at least somewhat close to russian or finnish killcounts?
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>>2159260
Because Americans and the Brits just bombed everything to ashes thanks to their superior air force, they didn't need to run around like retards sniping individual soldiers.
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>>2159260
Because only Finnish and Russian snipers were allowed to drink while on duty.
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>>2159263
>BROOM BROOM BOMBERS R FLYIN
>BOMBS ARE GOING DOWN
>Ruins, ruins, ruins
>Hey, sergeant, why did you fell do-

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Who was Spring-Heeled Jack?
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>>2159248
they say he's related to candle ja-
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>>2159273
That's not even how the Candle Jack meme works, you have to say his whole name before he
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>>2159452
You have to post his picture too.

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> my history sucks so i'm gonna go make up my own
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what was the point of this thread
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>>2159195

thats what robert e howard did, not tolkien.

JRR just loved language and mythology
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>>2159195
>I want to make some languages but I don't have an excuse to
>fuck it, I'll just create the best fantasy world known to man as an excuse

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How did snowniggers not get scurvy?

The Iberians, Italians, and Greeks can grow oranges and other fruits in their climate
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>>2159167
Our harsh climate allowed only the toughest of genes to survive
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>>2159167
I can't wait for communism, autists who make shit like this should rightfully be killed.
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>>2159167
They had all kinds of berries that had vitamin C. Cloud berries, lingon berries, raspberries, blueberries and so forth.

They made alcohol out of them and would drink it in winter.

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Did the axis use steath jets in WW2?
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>>2159102

No.
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What do you think?
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>>2159102
Of course

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Should Israel and the Jewish community have to apologise for the death of Jesus and the persecution of the early Christian community?
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>>2159004
Should Italy and the Roman Catholic community have to apologize for the destruction of the Second Temple and the expulsion of Jews from Israel?
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>>2159021
That wasn't done by Christians though, it was by Roman pagans
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>>2159026

And I forget, was nailing people to crosses a Roman or a Jewish execution method?

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What the fuck was his problem?
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Does google image search describe this as "ome call it marxism i call it judaism" for anyone else?
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>>2158997
Treason
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>>2158997
Jew.

>>2159033
Ezra Pound said this.

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Yes and no.
Yes in the context that we wouldn't tolerate poeple still doing certain things people used to do because of our own current standards.
No because at the same time in a historical those things would have been acceptable back then and condemning them doesn't undo them.

We wouldn't put pikes up people's backsides and parade them around like Vlad the impaler used to but we still accept he did that shit.
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Not particularly. All past societies even 400 years ago would be so alien in morality that pretty much everyone would be a giant dickhead. Average citizens who went to church and sought salvation would also go to public executions and tortures like a Sunday picnic. Romans had slaves but trusted them with their lives and property, and the slaves felt love for their masters.

Context is key. Ghengis khan condemning people to death was not heinous for the time. Ghengis Khan ordering the massacre of a million Muslim inhabitants of Baghdad certainly was.
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>>2158960

yes in certain areas, no on meme SJW/cultural marxist standards

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Can someone who is smarter and more qualified than me explain the warrants for the claim: "Gender is independent of sex" ?
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>>2158951
>the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
Basically sex is real. Gender is spooks. Spooks being based on something real doesn't make them not spooks.
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>>2158954
gender roles =/= gender?
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>>2158951
I don't understand this. Gender is dependent on genital, not a mindset. I think the chart is confusing gender with preference.

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Why should uneducated people be allowed to vote?
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>>2158925

Because they're as affected by public policy as everyone else; and it makes sense to broaden the base of support as widely as possible in order to give them a political outlet that doesn't involve violence.
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>>2158925
Why should voting even be allowed?
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>>2158925
so brexit could happen

Was the neolithic revolution, at any point, a conscious progression? If so, when?
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>>2158783

Meaningless question. Next.
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>>2158783
>a conscious progression?
What? I figure that by the time they were constructing tools for farming they were pretty sure what they were doing.
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>>2158783
Feminist theory suggests that the neolithic revolution started because most men were sick of being marginalised by tribal chiefs who used to get most of the women, because they got most of the plunder


So they settle for a sedentary life and create agriculture because it gives them a stable amount of food for survival and enough to be attractive for a potential mate

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