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Hello /his/ I'm looking to start learning more about history. Does anyone have suggestions on some good books or anything else? I'm especially interested in medieval/european history.
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Middle Ages shit:
General Medieval Histories:
>The Middle Ages- Joseph Dhamus
>The Middle Ages- Morris Bishop
Early Middle Ages:
>Inheritance of Rome: Illuminating the Dark Ages 400-1000 AD" - Chris Wickham
>"Rome and the Barbarians" Peter Heather

Crusades:
>The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War For the Holy Land" Thomas Asbridge
>God's War" Christopher Tyre
>Steve Runciman's Crusades Trilogy

The Byzantine Empire
>The Byzantium Trilogy: John Julius Norwhich
>Byzantium: The Surprising Life of a Medieval Empire" Judith Herrin
>1453: The Last Days of Constantinople

Islam:
>Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes - Tamim Ansary
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>>2215892
Good books on Ancient Egypt.
Black Genesis: The Prehistoric Origins of Ancient Egypt
Civilization or Barbarism – Cheikh Anta Diop
African Origin of Civilization – Cheikh Anta Diop
he Destruction of Black Civilization – Chancellor Williams
Imhotep the African: Architect of the Cosmos
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>>2215925
fuck off

Has a case of "an atheist forces himself to go to Mass just to have some structure in his life and because he enjoys the music" ever ended well or should I not even bother wasting my time?
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They call themselves cultural Christians.

It's not a bad thing.
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Don't bother wasting your time. If you enjoy the music so much, download it from somewhere and listen to it at home.

Do not do anything to support any religion: stand back, and hasten its decline.
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>>2215826
You do realize that atheism is the thing that is slowly on the decline, right?

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What would have happen if the Huguenot decide to Canada instead of going to Europeans countries?
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>>2215739
They went to New Rochelle in New York.
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>>2215739
Something like this.
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>>2215739
Quebec would have become a liberal shithole without any nationalist sentiment just like the rest of Canada

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What are some good argument on the subject of the authenticity of physical media vs the easily consumable digitized media? What do you prefer and why? Personally I feel the saturation of media on the internet has made things less authentic and the overload of information can desensitize people from having a greater appreciation of say a painting, film or piece of music.

I find sometimes that having something so easily accessible via the internet can rid of the sanctity of the art itself. My uncle told me how before the internet he'd need to go to the nth degree to find obscure films and music he had wanted to see and hear from video stores music stores across the country, sometimes even get to the point of robbery. It's hard to replicate that kind of passion in the internet age.
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shameless self bump
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>>2215714
Learning all of this shit is hard enough without having to spend months tracking it down. Be glad we have the advantages we do and use them to the fullest extent you can.
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Digital media is better than physical media because it's accessible. Your second paragraph is just appealing to the romantic view of print media. Hard copies are no more authentic than digital ones. Both are mediums. The main focus should be the literature itself.

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How do fraternal orders/secret societies find their beginnings?
What kind of people found and join them?
What are their catalysts?
What makes one a 5 minute autism fest vs a centuries old order?
Where do they get their money?
How did these people go about founding their respective orders?
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>>2215590
Bunch of rich and powerful people get together and decide to create a secret organization to feel better about themselves. Sometimes they can get powerful.

Other rich and smart people are found through the school system, or are invited in once they get rich or powerful enough.

They get their money from siphoning from governments and personal funding. i guess if they get powerful enough, they don't really need to raise money and can take it directly from countries.

Find other rich and powerful people and sacrifice a goat and a chicken to your respective dark lord, think up a cool name, and make a cool symbol.
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>>2215590
I gotta ask. What the fuck is up with all the pageantry?
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>>2215623
Freemasonry is a post-pagan mystery religion. Look up Hiram Abiff. Its all mystical stuff.

>creatures from the future find something from our culture
What is it?
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Probably jewelry made out of a noble metal.

That or a thin layer of plastic in the geological record.

Really, it depends how long in the future it is and how good they are at paleontology.
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>>2215502
Billions of tons of plastic
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My fossilized stool in the buried sewers 3000 years after the big earthquake demolishes my house and everything around it.

What's the comfiest expedition you've ever read about?

Post links and sources
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OP here, I'll post some of my favorites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Wills_expedition
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Vázquez_de_Coronado#Expedition
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Bounty

Not really a traditional expedition, but still probably the comfiest article I've ever read on Wikipedia

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Should the French have retreated at Verdun?
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>>2215301
On ne passe pas
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Fulkenhyne literally attacked there because it would drain all of France's blood. But then he got greedy and drained German blood too.

It was of little strategic value so they both should have left.
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>>2215909
>Fulkenhyne literally attacked there because it would drain all of France's blood.

That was his shitty post-failure excuse
The truth is that he wanted to conquer Verdun because it was a very important fortress (so important Germany tried to get France to surrender it to them during the July Crisis in exchange of not attacking France as part of an ultimatum)

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Asking for some help here

A long time ago, an excerpt from Ulrich Von Lichtenstein's Frauendienst showed up, and I'm trying to find either the archived thread or poem again.

The poem dealt with Ulrich seeing his love wash her hands and him drinking the water, and ending with the phrase "I was truly tired of longing"
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>>2215217
>>2215217
You sound like a total beta who has been weighed, measured, and found wanting. Just like give her father some land you fucking poorfags.
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Bumping because I'm curious
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do you mean this corny movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otkULywALyI

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>eastern
>roman
>empire
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Okay, I give.

Mr. Dandalo, I give. I've only just realized that this whole Byzaboo thing I've been nursing since those glorious summers as a 14-17 year old playing CrusaderKangzToo has spiraled out of control. What began as simply a reflexive glee spurred by feeling myself possessor of some esoteric knowledge ("Well, most people don't actually know that the Roman Embire dint even fall until 1453 [or was it 1204???]...), is now a gross sublimation of something all the more sinister. Now, now this reflexive cringe and whinge -- dare I admit, trigger -- whenever anyone as much mentions Manzikert or Mehmed or even your very own Fourth, Mr. Dandalo, now I know that it is merely a stand-in, a convenient formula of metaphor and synapse by which I can subconsciously give shape to a number of ills and self-loaths I never even knew were there.

Don't you see Mr. Dandalo? I want to thank you! Thank you and all your blessed four-score and teen years of existence for collecting one final debt. That which I owe to myself. For you see, I was never reaally in love with the Byzantines. Few are, at least, not those of us who attach so much emotion to something of the past. Instead, I used that faded codicil of the good ol' Imperium as a cypher for regret, to sublimate all my own past mistakes, regrets, and poor decisions. The idea of the wrecked empire, Mr. Dandalo, was nothing ever more than my finally peering down from the mouse -- or even, up at a mirror -- and not being able to help but notice the degradation of flesh, that waste that the silent hours have long since stolen from me. Oh don't get me wrong Mr. Dandalo, this isn't a bitter realization, no! This is a jubilant one, for you see, we all feel regret, we can't help it. I'm sure you carried your own all those years after personally witnessing the fruits of your labor wrecked by Byzantine agency.
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>>2215223
I'm blind please put this post into audio format

t.dandalo
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>>2215223

Yes, we all carry regret, path not taken and all that. I'm just glad that now, I can do something about it. Now that its out in the open, and no longer being subsumed as 'utterly' futile butthurt, NOW I can go out and seize hold of what years I have left (that I may have have of yours total more). Thank you Mr. Dandalo. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I bet the one true cross splintered all up did wonders for all those Italian and French churches, and I'm sure that Frankish whore sung wonderfully on the Patriarch's throne, and if it weren't for you, I bet the Quadriga would have long since been melted down into a Turkish cannon, destined only to killing many a Hungarian or Armenian. Thank you, THANK YOU Mr. Dandalo. What's that? You want to see if that little Ancona under your manskirt can still feel a tickle? Well Mr. Dandalo, if you insist! Please me to please you! Haha! Yes! [begins to gobble down your St. Mark's spire]. Oh Mr. Dandalo (hrmnsplgy!!) OH, Mr. Dandal-OH!

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Consider the following, /his/:

>body of original United States Constitution consists of seven articles, styled Article I - Article VII
>Ratified Amendments to the Constitiution legally become part of the Constitiution itself - the full text of the Constitution therefore changes insofar as new amendments are added over history
>the amendments are commonly styled "articles of amendment", or simply "Articles", e.g. "article XIII" for the 13th amendment, etc
>this numbering convention for the amendments starts from Amendment I, or "Article I", and not from "Article VIII", to describe the first amendment
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The Amendments that are specifically to do with civil rights are called the Bill of Rights.
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>>2215115

Yes, anon, but this doesn't have much to do with what I'm talking about.

In the official documents which have historically proposed Amendments to the states via acts of Congress, The official style is usually "Article such-and-such" (this style is missing from certain documents, but is so prominent throughout the documents that its usage has become commonplace). A perfectly clear example of the style is here, for the thirteenth amendment: Article XIII.

Although of course the numbering scheme changed as ratification took place, the original Bill of Rights document also uses this ordinal Article language to refer to each piece of legislation: "Article the Third" (the first amendment), etc.

So far as I have been able to investigate, there is historical inconsistency about how the headings of what we now call "the first amendment, the nth amendment" etc are actually supposed to be styled. "Article __" or "Amendment __" seem to be taken for granted as being good enough, whereas the "Article I" language is perfectly clear and present in the original primary document of the Constitution.
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>God given rights
>God was wrong on more than twenty different counts, including firearm possession, slavery, consumption of alcohol (briefly, untill he wasn't), and how long someone is allowed to be president for

Hohohohohohohoho, you are funny >U>S>A

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any opinions on the roman empire / greek era?
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>>2215085

I'm giving up, on try-ii-ing

To sell you things, that YOU AIN'T BUYIIIIING, AAAYYAAAAAAYYAAAAYYY!
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ayy

(off-topic, any good vaporwave?) [bbrainz, saint pepsi, macintosh plus]
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don't say no

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>>2210475
>I AM
I've already explained 'I AM' in >>2208376.

Look anon, if A=X, B=X and C=X, then A=B=C, right?

No, D came to destroy the party. If D=X, then A=B=C=D. Then it not Trinity anymore.

Example:

Exodus 7:1;
...LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh...


2 Corinthians 4:4:
Satan, who is the god of this world, ....

Hebrew 7
2 ...Melchizedek first being by interpretation “king of righteousness,” and after that also king of Salem, which means “king of peace.”
3 Without father, without mother and without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life

Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods...

>power to resurrect and give life
Kings 13:21
...When the body(dead) touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life...

>Jesus forgave sins
What? He only told 'Your sins are forgiven', NOT 'I forgave your sins'. There's a big difference.

There's also counterpart verse where Jesus disclaiming divinity, like here >>2208468,

See the importance of having a verse that it close to saying that those three are one? You need a pillar to support the Trinity concept, but you haven't got that.

Besides, Trinity is confusing, which contradict 1 Corinthians 14:33:

For God is not the author of confusion...

"IT'S NOT CONFUSING"
"Tch, what is the Council of Nicea? What is hundreds of bishops debating about 'What is Jesus?'?"
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>>2215003
If the person I'm replying to see this, please just respond, don't have to be an argument.

Oh, and I'm gonna bump this thread two times just to make sure that guy sees this. I'm also not in the mood of keeping this thread alive.

I may or may not reply to you anons if you're making a valid argument, if there's any.
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First bump
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https://youtu.be/KQLfgaUoQCw

Obligatory

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>be me
>king of france
>have to consolidate power and gain favour with the nobles
>do this by turning our old family country house in the middle of nowhere to a huge fucking palace
>call it the palace of Versailles
>make courtiers and nobles live at my palace in luxury
>organise constant parties and things to do to distract them from plotting against me
>enforce a strict dresscode by position
>people literally spending their entire savings on clothing and fashion to compete with one another
>people have to maintain two homes, one between Paris and one at Versailles
>people literally spending all their money on these wacky silk costumes to please me and compete with one another
>decide to start reading everyone's letters to discover plots
>use a unique method of extraction to copy seals, opening up all the letters, reading them and then resealing them
>hire the most famous cryptographer in Europe to decrypt all the incredibly complexly encrypted letters being sent
>have my wife and mistresses sleep in other rooms and my best friend and loyal servant sleep at the foot of my bed

Literally how did this fucker get away with this wacky shit?!
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he wuz kangz
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Absolutism is a hell of a drug. Go look up the meals that were served at Versailles.
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>>2214996
>spend money out of the ass and basically guarantee bankrupt for my successors, partially contributing to the Guillottine Fiesta called Revolution
>In the next millenium, children are taught that you were the best King of France

oi I am laffin

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Did Christianity have a bigger marketing budget than Buddhism? How do you explain the how popular it got it's the exact same thing
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>>2214779
Haha funny post dude!!
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>>2214779
>One is polytheistic and apatheistic, the other is strictly monotheistic.
>One is strictly pacifist, the other alternates between bloody-handed warrior and usually benevolent teacher/king
>One promises unconditioned mystical experience, the other physical resurrection

Clearly these are the same thing and this definitely isn't a meme based on people who mistake both religion's teachings for "Dude be nice lmao"
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>>2214779
No
Buddhism got fucked because of its location
Everywhere it spread north it encountered Tengri
Everywhere it spread south it encountered Hinduism
Everywhere it spread west it encountered Islam
Everywhere it spread east it encountered Confucius

All of those are not easily permeated by other ideologies, Tengriism eventually failed for the most part, thats the onlynexception.

Confucianism ate it alive, Islam destroyed it in Pakistan and Afghanistan, Hinduism is straight up stronger since in its modern form its organized as Buddhism + a bunch of other shit. Buddhism can be retrofitted to a populations existing ideology all too easily

Whereas any abrahamic religion is straight up 'my way or get fucked'
Its simply stronger. Therefore it succeeded much more than buddhism

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