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What are some of your most hated misconceptions of the middle ages?
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That they weren't comfy as fuck
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>>2615977
>Muh crusades
People watch Kingdom of Heaven or some other Hollywood crap and actually think that the Church just wanted to kill as many muslims as possible and conquer the Middle East out of sheer bigotry and imperialism, completely ignoring the domestic factors like getting your fucked up nobles to fight a common enemy rather than each other at the country's expense.

Also, this idea that the Church actively repressed science and kept people in the dark while in reality they were the only ones who kept it from being lost. I'm not even a Christian but this whole "muh evil church" narrative pisses me off, it's almost exactly how the Church itself used to talk about the Roman pagans.
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That everything was bleak and boring when That was the time beautiful churches were built and great music and songs were composed
Also the fucking thing about nobles having the right to the brides Virgin pussy, fuck that

The roman army was obviously great, but lots of germanics fucked them over again and again.
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>>2615969
only because the gauls were masters in gurilla warfare
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>>2615969
Actual "Armies?"
Alexander the Great's or Hannibal's 218-202BC.
Runner up goes to Caesar in Gaul or Germanicus on the Rhine.
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>>2615994
This

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so you're telling me increasingly complex bags of water and organic molecules emerged over millions of years and cut up a bunch of rocks just to put them back together in a "better" shape?
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>>2615949
WE
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I'd like to see you find a better use of public money than building a fuckhuge mausoleum.
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>>2615949
So you’re telling me you lack the mental ability to comprehend the theory of evolution by means of natural selection and don’t understand how technology and civilizations developed over time?

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only good coat of arms tell a story
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>>2615912
too much stuff here
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>>2615912
>MMM
Was the story that they were hungry?
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>>2617744

>too much stuff here

I want plebeians to leave.

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Is there anything everyone agrees on?
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>>2615901
Something exists
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OP is a faggot.
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>>2615901
You're a faggot

Is "perfidious" just a meme?

Reading British history books, and just looking at their art in general, gives the impression of their upmost gallantry while everyone else around them seems to be always at fault.
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Britain and France were the only 'good guys' in ww2, that's for sure.
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>>2615844
>Britain begins hostilities via blockades, depth charges, mines and economic warfare against Germany
>good guys

lel the blitz didn't go far enough
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>>2615849
>Germany literally declares total war and begins bombing cities first
>waaaaaaaaah not fair when you do it to us

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Are nuclear bombs the greatest invention of humanity?
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>>2615798
it ruined warfare tho,
>you will ever see a fully mobilized total war between any major states
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>>2615890
Id rather not see that desu
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>>2615895
are you sure

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How could thracian culture and language completely vanish in a span of few centuries?
Herodotus called them the second-most numerous people in the part of the world known by him after the Indians.
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>>2615780
>Herodotus
Ancient scribes said a lot of things. Most things said concerning numbers was prolly bullshit
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>>2615780
For whatever reason, romans actively surpressed and assimilated them
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>>2615780
They lost and should be forgotten

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What's so special about the year 1488 that white nationalists made it their motto?
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Hitler and david duke had sex that day

>non meme answer
14 stands for the 14 words and 88 stands for heil shitler
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what is this stupid shit map
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>>2615750
Pure

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How could so many intelligent men follow such a batshit retarded ideology?
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The iq distribution of Pol Pot's regime probably looked the same. Intelligent and capable people always rise to the top in pretty much any government. Who knew.
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>>2615672
>"National Socialist Germany was built on empty platitudes; because with empty platitudes you can see what ever you want to see."- Albert Speer
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personal gains
group mentality

when you are thrown into a group of lunatics, not being a lunatic becomes abnormal

also mental illnesses in some cases

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Are modern Egyptians descended from the Ancient Egyptians
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By and large you don't descend from one or the other - the vast majority of modern Egyptians would have some blood from the invading Arabs and some blood from the native stock of the country. But there have been numerous studies done here, and it seems like the invasions account for less than 10% of the DNA in the Modern Egyptian population. You can find more information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt

What's interesting to note here, though, is that the ancient Egyptians spoke an Afro-Asiatic language, related to the Semitic languages like Arabic and Hebrew, as well as the Berber and Ethiopian languages. So the DNA of the ancient Egyptians seems to have been much closer to that of the Arabs' ancestors than to those of sub-Saharan Africa. It makes the analysis more complicated, because you have two waves of Afro-Asiatic people coming in - first the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians, then the Arabs who invaded their descendants.

But overall, it looks like the vast majority of the modern Egyptian bloodline comes from the pre-Arab ancestors, which isn't surprising.
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>>2615702

So Arabs did not chase away all the Black Egyptian people and replace them
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>>2615743
Replacing all the native people is very difficult, it only happened a few times in History.

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What was their fucking problem?

No really, Normans seem to be a culture consisting entirely of murderhobos whose primary careers involve gathering followers and conquering some distant and to create an overnight state.

From England to the Levant there's some Norman founded polity somewhere along the way. Were they poor? Did their mums and dads not leave them inheritance? Or they just wanted to hurt people? Even the fucking Duke of all Normandy was into the conquest business.
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>>2615642
t. Lindybeige
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Normans did nothing wrong, they were a much welcomed improvement over their unwashed, barbaric distant cousins
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>>2615642
The Norman conquest of Sicily might interest you as a counterpoint. They brought a good measure of stability to the region thanks to their military prowess.

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What are some books worth reading that are written by important or otherwise famous historical figures? I'm thinking those specifically that aren't associated with literary tradition (ie Plato, Shakespeare or Goethe) but more people involved in something 'greater' than the contribution of their literary work.

Personally I can only think of:
- Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
- Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi
- Art of War by Sun Tzu
- The Alexiad by Anna Komnene
- Basilikon Doron by James VI and I
- Endymion by Benjamin Disraeli
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currently reading 5 rings and meditations and I am liking them so far. You could try "either/or" by Soren Kierkegaard (early existentialist christian philosophy) or maybe "the temple of the golden pavilion" by Yukio Mishima (more "literary" but mishima had some weird political beliefs and ideals about imperialism and duty)
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>>2615534
Ulysses S. Grant's memoirs
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>>2615534
Machiavellis The Prince

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so yeah basically in ww1 and 2 those 2 armys didnt fuck around an won those wars

now why do both these army fuckaround now
like in Vietnam, and tho korean war. and why the fuck is the Australian army in Egypt as well .and why didn't they deal with both Hamas and ISIS and who ever else that was causing trouble, o wait it was that shitty organisation called the UN short for useless
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UN stop a genocide in the Congo.
UN: we are busy cleaning up land mines
just use a grenade and wipe most of them out
UN: no it needs to be done slowly
no too late you fucked up there all dead
UN: we will start a charity for the survivors
no you can't there all dead
UN:[hangs up phone]
idiots
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Americans and Australians love to fight so when their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to fight then you have problems.
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>>2615526
The nature of certain conflicts makes it politically to costly to go full scale in warfare either for external or internal reasons. Futhermore, the UNITED STATES and Australia have a keen interest in keeping trade cheap and easy so they often work together in military conflicts.

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Wasn't sure where to bring an art question, but assumed I'd receive quicker response here as it's quite urgent at this point.

Is it possible to make an iconographic analysis of abstract works of art? Or is this only plausible in representational art?
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>>2615510
I'm sure people have analysed some abstract painters such as Miro, Kandinsky, or Klee from the perspective of iconography
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>>2615525
After creating this thread I was searching around for some examples and came across this of Pollock's work

http://danploy.com/art_history_chapter_2.htm

I began writing a paper analyzing an abstract piece & the paper is due tomorrow. Nearly halfway through and I thought: what if I was supposed to be writing about representational art...? as I hadn't found much discussion on iconography in abstract work while looking to my sources.

If anyone is interested in art/studied in any art field and is willing to proofread or provide feedback I would appreciate it. So far I'm really proud of what I've come up with & interested myself in it far more than I would've imagined.
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>>2615565
It depends on the degree of abstraction. Most abstract art lends best to formalist analysis, but as that site suggests you can apply iconographical analysis to anything that has figures or symbols. You'd need evidence though, like what the artist had been exposed to in his learning, the artist's writing, past examples in other works, similar examples in similar works (or to similar ends). "This line represents sadness" is not very effective, but there are abstract works where colour is used specifically to evoke certain responses. But as I said, evidence is the most important thing, except if you're talking about your own subjective engagement with the work (based on what you'd been exposed to in your learning, etc.)

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