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Why did China stop their voyages under Zheng He? Was it due to beliefs or did they simply not care for exploration?
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Maybe the emperor was a bit worried about a muslim eunuch rapidly amassing wealth and foreign knowledge while commanding a veteran army on massive war ships.

I'd personally shit a brick after a year or two of hearing his exploits.
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Because of internal court factions feuding with each other. Building the treasure ships came out of the state treasury but any profits from the expedition as well as the prestige went to the imperial family which was represented by the eunuchs. After Yongle died and many eunuchs of his generation including Zheng He, the bureaucrat faction had more power and chimped out, forbidding any further voyages citing needs for defense against Mongol steppeniggers and destroyed all the plans for the ships.
tl;dr it was due to internal political feuding and the bureaucrats chimping out
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>>2678656

>amassing wealth

Wasn't Zhenghe giving away treasures though? The main purpose seems to be showing the world how benevolent China was and since all they encountered was Southeast Asian and African niggers it reinforced the idea that everyone outside China was uncivilized savage

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red pill me on al-andalus
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>>2678615
A group of Vikings raided Seville and the arabs called them Magians cause they had no idea what else to call them
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>>2678615
Muslims are as good at music as they are calligraphy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZUpZSKaZ-s
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In al-Andalus, homosexual pleasures were much indulged in by the intellectual and political elite. Evidence includes the behavior of rulers, such as Abd ar-Rahman III, al-Hakem II, Hisham II, and al-Mutamid, who openly kept male harems; the memoirs of Badis, last Zirid king of Granada; references to homosexual prostitutes, who charged higher fees, and had a higher class of clientele, than did female prostitutes; the repeated criticisms of Christians; and especially the abundant poetry. Both pederasty and love between adult males are found. Although homosexual practices were never officially condoned, prohibitions against them were rarely enforced, and usually there was not even a pretense of doing so.

During the final centuries of Islamic Spain, in part because of Christian opposition to it and because of immigration and conversion of those sympathetic, homosexuality took on a greater ideological role. It had an important place in Islamic mysticism and monasticism. The contemplation of the beardless youth was “an act of worship,” the contemplation of God in human form.

Many Christians in northern Iberia and elsewhere in Europe were scandalized by or terrified of Andalusian sexual behavior, which relied heavily on slavery; homosexual indulgence, viewed as an incurable and contagious vice, was seen as a threat to the fighting strength of the army and thus to the integrity of the state. The boy-martyr San Pelagio, executed for refusing the amorous intentions of Abd ar-Rahman III, was a hero, and subject of a poem of Hroswitha. The Christian states worked to rescue captive Christians, prevent slaving raids, set up a bulwark to prevent Islamic expansion northwards, and suppress homosexuality within the Christian states themselves.

So, all le ebin meeming aside, are there any historical parallels we can examine to predict the course of a hypothetically established UBI on a large-scale, long-term period?

From my basic understanding of human psychology, economics, and an even sparser education of history and politics, I've come to several possible conclusions which I find to be quite damning of a UBI policy.

(Universal Basic Income is basically just "We'll give everyone X amount of money every month or whatever, free of charge". The reasoning being it'll open up people's time to study greater things and pursue wholesome activities in order to be productive members of society)

>When coming into possession of sudden and unexpected money, the most basic economic trend among the casual populace is to begin buying more goods
I mean, this is Highschool level stuff, so I might be wrong here, but from what I learned, more money equals more spending, and usually a lot of the focus is on luxuries, higher-end goods, and services; NOT on saving or on investing or on basic needs.

>Poor people are fucking stupid at managing money
Relates to what I said up there, but nigger slums and white-trash are the dumbest fucking niggers on this planet Earth. Don't know how to manage their time, don't know how to manage their income, it'd just be a massive waste of cash on these guys. If anything, I think a UBI would be best spent on ONLY middle-class citizens and the 1%. They have the most initiative and have the right psychological profile to pursue productive fields of work and study.

>Just by human nature itself, people are inclined to be lazy, which means giving people free resources would give people less incentive to work
The whole POINT of Universal Basic Income is "more money means more people work on more productive things", but based on human psychology, I'm rather skeptical of that proposed behavior. Humans are born to be lazy; it's natural.
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>>2678551
>Using history as a mathematical formula to plug your political ambitions into to get a result
Now That's What I Call Bad Historiography Volume 52
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HOW WILL I BUY FOOD AFTER A ROBOT TAKES MY JOB IN 2050 WITH OUT UBI
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>>2678557
...That's what history is, Faggotron-2000. You determine if something is a good idea or not by comparing it to shit we did a long time ago and seeing how it worked out for those assholes.

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Why do most people, even people who are pretty well versed in history, seem to neglect and know little of ancient history?
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>>2678464
How about you try to preserve physical documents for 2+ millennia
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History is by nature focused on writing and documentation. There isn't much documentation about ancient history.
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>>2678464
It's because of a Presentist attitude that pervades history. There's a narrative of history which presents history as an ever-rising tide of progress, with every generation surpassing the last in wisdom and knowledge, which is only lost in so-called "Dark Ages". The people that far back were so uncivilized, so uncouth, so stupid, why would we study them? We could study WWII for the 500,000,000th time, because WWII was obviously a throwback to a more dark, unenlightened time, instead of a product of its time.

It's the same people who think the "Dark Ages" were a real thing. It's Hegelians, for the most part.

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Why did Sartre support Stalin of all people? Was it merely political stupidity/naivete on his part, or was there something more malicious behind his politics?
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French "intellectuals" love being edgy and avant garde, and their obscurantism allows them to rationalize anything.
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>>2678416

Was that before he travelled to Cuba to support/interview Castro and Guevara? Because eventually the Cuban commies took a dim view of the USSR and their brand of Marxist Lenninism.

A question.
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>>2678451

And yet they NEVER repudiated their own fawning admiration for the USSR when it seemed like it was a going concern. Never listen to anyone who can't admit when he was wrong.

Why does nobody talk about Carlo Gesualdo?
>wrote music that had elements of tonality 50 years before tonality existed
>used chromaticism that wasn't seen again for over 100 years, and nothing like it had been seen before
Non-musically he was fucking insane
>finds out wife is cheating on him. He pretends to go hunting for a few days, then comes back, kills her lover on the spot, and makes her say Salve Regina before he kills her
>had a servant whose entire job was to beat him daily
>tried to buy his uncles skeleton to make a medicine lut of because he thought it would cure his depression

This guy is fucking cool as hell, why don't we talk about him more?
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>>2678322
Music before 1700ish is criminally underrated IMHO.
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>>2678340
Definitely. There was a lot of experimentation in the Renaissance.
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>>2678322

>yfw ywn have a qt3.14 servant whose only purpose is to beat your ass for your own arousal
>yfw you will never have the balls to kill the nigger fucking your wife
>yfw you will never snort your own uncle's skeleton

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umayyad, christcucks?
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>>2678285
>all that desert and mountains

Not really
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GET THE FUCK OUT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>2678285
If you cross my path i will beat you, saracen

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>over 90% of human history has been lost forever
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Yeah, but it's mostly uninteresting stuff.

>7,000 BC, Anatolia
>Ug threw rock at tree
>Rock flew back and hit Ug in head
>Everybody laughed at Ug
>Ug got very butthurt
>Ug decided we all needed to die and started killing all o-

Yeah, really riveting, man.
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>>2678247
wtf i hate ug now
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>>2678206
>history outside of Eurasia is human history

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A moment of silence.

F
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> inb4 people who don't live under dictatorships defend dictatorships and monarchies because it's edgy
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>>2678198
>F
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>>2678198

Middle Eastern countries function better under strongmen. It's just a fact of life.

>Modernity developed only in the West—in Europe and North America. Nowhere else did science and democracy arise; nowhere else was slavery outlawed. Only Westerners invented chimneys, musical scores, telescopes, eyeglasses, pianos, electric lights, aspirin, and soap.

>How the West Won demonstrates the primacy of uniquely Western ideas—among them the belief in free will, the commitment to the pursuit of knowledge, the notion that the universe functions according to rational rules that can be discovered, and the emphasis on human freedom and secure property rights.

>Taking readers on a thrilling journey from ancient Greece to the present, Stark challenges much of the received wisdom about Western history. How the West Won shows, for example:
>• Why the fall of Rome was the single most beneficial event in the rise of Western civilization
>• Why the “Dark Ages” never happened
>• Why the Crusades had nothing to do with grabbing loot or attacking the Muslim world unprovoked
>• Why there was no “Scientific Revolution” in the seventeenth century
>• Why scholars’ recent efforts to dismiss the importance of battles are ridiculous: had the Greeks lost at the Battle of Marathon, we probably would never have heard of Plato or Aristotle

>Stark also debunks absurd fabrications that have flourished in the past few decades: that the Greeks stole their culture from Africa; that the West’s “discoveries” were copied from the Chinese and Muslims; that Europe became rich by plundering the non-Western world.

Why is there such a focus in popular history on 'debunking myths'? Is it related to the sense of superiority people enjoy from knowing better than others?
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>>2678056
>if the Greeks lost marathon...
little would have changed, Greece was too far on the periphery of the Achaemenid world (not to mention far too poor) to be anything more than a feather in the cap of the shahs.
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Because people want to know the truth, and feel better when they're right.
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>>2678056
>Why is there such a focus in popular history on 'debunking myths'?

Because morons like you continually perpetuate them?

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Has he solved religion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtiRzQMgBDM
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>>2678006

He's a theist aka an idiot. His babblings about MUH MAGIC SPACE JEW are as retarded as any other theists, just because he's "on our side" in the culture war doesn't mean he isn't a fucking tard.
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>>2678039
>calling professor jordan peterson a tard
rude
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>>2678039
>not sure if I should post Varg or fedora meme

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it's not shit YOU'RE SHIT.
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>>2677987
God didn't want to teach art to people he hated
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>>2677987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOrh1PqyhLA

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What's the most important thing you learned while while studying history in college?

I studied classics and English, and history people had been the coolest people to talk to.
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>>2677950

THAT HITLER WAS VERY VERY BAD
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>>2678046
How bad did they shill that idea?
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>>2677950
That history is not linear and that climate played a HUGE role in history.

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That feeling when you spend your entire life committed to building a stable state and your sperg son fucks it all up so he can LARP as Hercules.
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>>2677930
What if he was just a shitty parent?
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>>2677937
Philosophers are pretty awful at parenting
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>>2677930
He did a lot of good stuff but he fucked up by not continuing the whole adopt an heir scheme that was going on. Hereditary succession is just the worst.

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>tinfoil hat-wearing geology theorists insist this was formed as part of some vast conspiracy by the Earth itself to change its own terrain, for some reason, which they never explain, through something called 'geographic intrusion', which they just made up without any evidence

Sometimes, the stump of a giant tree is simply the stump of a giant tree.
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Não entendi. Repete, por favor.
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>>2677909
Where did the rest of the tree go then, buddy?
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Once smoked a small joint at the base of this mountain, definitely an interesting experience, I had this strange sensation even before smoking of a deep-bass-like overtone that this mountain off and that the it had something to do with the ridges on the sides and the way they interacted with the area. The name "Devil's Tower" also seemed to maybe imply certain spiritual aspects to this mountain and why the Native American's of the area always considered it sacred.

Could have been a UFO landing site? (or even a base?)

A mountain inhabited by local "nature spirits"? (ie. "devils" as the mis-translations of 'demons' goes)

Just a rock formation in an area that used to all be under-water at one point looooong ago?

God knows...

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