Why are the seals of the united states and its agencies so ugly?

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>>310934
This for example

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This is actually a decent seal.

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That was my first logo job and first thing I had ever produced on Corel- I've taught myself more since then, never any formal training. Haven't messed with the program in a while, have been thinking about it though.

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>>311020
Yeah but that eagle looks so bad though. Like a Turkey split open. I think the eagle of the Marines Is best

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>>311020
How would you design the eagle differently?

>>310934
Is that how bird spinners look like?

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>>311026
No its just that the Nazi version of same design looks better.

>>311027
Different design, different bird. The bald eagle is a goofy-looking motherfucker to begin since he's a sea bird, and national seals are supposed to show confidence/displayed rather than just aggression/volant.

>>311025
I gave him a different head, also moved wings, added a bud in his foot. It's for medical marijuana. they didn't want it changed much from the original. I gave them several head choices to choose from, also to start idea bouncing- they went with this. If I had more freedom over it I would've completely redrawn the eagle, better wings, talons, different face.

the thing with american seals, and other things like early state flags, is that they were essentially design-by-committee full livery badges rather than old enough to be functional and simple or new enough to be informed by modern branding concepts. all they're intended to communicate is "we may be elected but we can be just as gaudy and self-important as hereditary rulers".

mission patches like >>310936 are a functional tradition, it's why they tend to be so much better even though they're also round iconography used by the US government.

the EGA >>311024 likewise works so much better because it's an insignia that later got used as an element in the seal, mirroring the original function of seals.

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>>311079
Yeah but why did they design the eagle to look so awkward? Nazi vs american eagle, for example. No eagle looks like any of those designs, but the Nazis made it look sleek and cool while america made it look like a split turkey with feathers.

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>>311096
unsure if you're unfamiliar with what eagles look like or you're just new enough to really really like nazis

>>311096
Because the eagle in that pose is traditional heraldry. That mattered more to designers of symbols in 1776 than it did in 1936

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>>311113
I hate nazis, they are socialist scum. I hate them almost as much a commies. But they had good aesthetics.

>>311113
Dude, this photo is cool but the US logos doesn't even come close to this kind of epicness. They have puny little wings, extremely spread legs and retarded heads. I mean come on the Nazi one at least resembles a magnificent predator instead of a Taigetos positive turkey.

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the nazis were alot better at symbolism and design

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>>311820
Great design.

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>>311879
Do you guys like the soviet or nazi concept architecture better? I personally like the nazi great hall better.

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While not their official seal, the IRS logo is a bright spot in the history of US federal brands. The chisel tip strokes are a little dated, but it still holds up as one of the best examples of an American government logo.

>>311879
If you look up alot of the planned buildings that Adolf Hitler and Albert Speer thought of it was all pretty interesting.

>>310936
That's an octopus, not a seal.

>>311883
Soviet, absolutely.
It has a more "futuristic" zeal to it, imo.

>>312023
Commies are disgusting though.

>>312024
Oh, of course, but we're not discussing ideology, just aesthetic preference.

>>312025
It doesnt have girth though. Id rather have a bigger version of the nazi great hall, than a skinny tower.

>>312026
The tower looks massively wide, at least at the bottom.
Lenin himself is enormous.