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>>299488
i'm in the samme boat as you, i just started learning last week, however i do have watched quite a few videos over the years explaining the basics of html, css, php etc. one thing that could be useful is to have someone to talk to about stuff that you don't understand, or just for tips.

>So where do I start with web design?
it depends i guess, i prefer paid video courses since they take the time to explains things, plus the end result is way more professional than other free courses imo.
>As far as I've noticed most of websites are made on Wordpress, which even a halfwit can do with a simple tutorial.
i think most people would rather hire someone else
>I need some web developers here to help me understand where to even start with all this
while i'm not a web developer yet i think a good start is getting sublime text it's really nice for learning webdev and after that just start messing with existing websites to get used to html and css, follow tuts/courses etc.
>I still feel like (as a designer) using wordpress to make website from scratch is a bit of a cheating.
i think so too, but i've seen most web developers nowadays use wireframes, libraries and assets they get from elsewhere.

here's some courses that i have on my pc (i just started with cs50 but haven't watched the others)

[Udemy] The Complete Web Developer Course - Build 14 Websites
[Udemy]Web Design for Beginners Real World Coding in HTML & CSS
[Pluralsight.com] Front End Web Development Career Kickstart
Building Dynamic Websites with Sublime Text
30 Days to learn JQuery
[Tuts+] Learning Ajax
harvard's cs50 2015

here's some videos from harvard's cs50 lectures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKLqzTdkDMc&index=18&list=PLhQjrBD2T383Xfn0zECHrOTpfOSlptPAB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TgTA4o_AM8

webinar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAm1YwFIWuY

and this guy has very nice web development videos/tutorials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXqs6X0lzKI

>>299504

and here's a list of useful websites

http://awwwards.com/
http://abduzeedo.com/
http://absolutecross.com/
http://coderscult.co/
http://coursera.org/
http://github.com/dypsilon/frontend-dev-bookmarks
http://learn.shayhowe.com/html-css/
http://learnphp.co/
http://learnwebdesignonline.com/
http://lynda.com/
http://script-tutorials.com/
http://teamtreehouse.com/
http://theodinproject.com/
http://w3schools.com/
http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/
http://webdesignfromscratch.com/
http://webpagesthatsuck.com/
http://web-design-schools.net/

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>>299488
Greetings my clueless friend.
I'm a front end web dev, I also build custom wordpress sites.

>So where do I start with web design?
You design a website and ask for feedback. If you're a competent designer the transition isn't hard.

>As far as I've noticed most of websites are made on Wordpress
Not true, but it is very popular.

>So what's the point of learning CSS, javascript, HTML
Wordpress is written in PHP, wordpress websites / custom themes are written in PHP, html, css and javascript. If you don't know those things then you're not building custom wordpress sites. And if you're just installing free themes then there's no design process.

I've worked on wordpress sites with over £100k budgets, the scope of the sites can be as big as you want. We use wordpress as just a pretty data store, everything on the front end is bespoke.

>>299488
Using a cms like wordpress allows you to not worry about making a back end so that your normie client can update his content without knowing anything about website development.
You don't have to implement every shitty basic fonctionality that everyone expects from a website like rss feed generation, comment moderation and so on.
It allows you to focus on producing value, in this case to design a theme.
You still need to learn web development stuff to do that.
You could start by reading the theme development documentation to get an idea on what you need to be able to do, then learn html, css, javascript and php in roughly that order
Learning how to setup and operate web servers and databases would also be a plus, although it's really not that complicated to get a wordpress installation running.

Alright, thank you all for responds, it helps a lot actually.

I've decided to take it slowly and go through online courses for dummies. Web devolpemet seems really wanted these days so I think it's worth it.

>>299504
Found most of courses, will go through them

>>299505
Saved, will visit them all once I handle basics

>>299507
Tried, I understood some of the words.

>>299509
>You design a website and ask for feedback. If you're a competent designer the transition isn't hard.
>You design a website
That's where I'm trying to get at this point.

>>299536
>html -> css -> java -> php
That's all I needed.

You guys gave me a lot of info, and I can't say I understand all of it. Saved thread, will definitely go back to it as I catch up. Thank you again, this helps a lot, hope to someone else in my situation aswel.

>>299574
Javascript, not Java. They're entirely different and not related by anything other than name.

>>299488

Does anyone know of a Good simplistic wordpress portfolio with out all the extra stuff added to it?

For example: https://matthias.myportfolio.com/projects

I like this one but I want it to be where I click on the thumbnail and the image shows up rather than take me to another page.

Are there such portfolios like that for wordpress?

I'm in the opposite situation, I know HTML, CSS, JS, etc. but I don't know design concepts, are there any good quick guides to get someone up to speed on having some basic design skills for web dev? I'm not trying to become a master artist, just have a good enough eye for design so my websites don't like they're from 1990.

Has anyone used Divi 3?

>>299488
>>299504
good thread, I'm sort of in a similar situation to these two guys.

I know a good amount of html and css but I still have a lot of learning to do. To any back end folk browsing this thread, what tutorials do I need to get my site functioning? As in emails, forms, blog posts, eCommerce, etc. I want to be able to approach a client and say "yeah, I can give you the full thing"

I've been told django and laravel 5 (which I will get around to doing) but I feel like I'm missing something. Anymore tutorial recommendations for me to get up and ruining as a web dev that can offer both design and function/back end with relying to much on wordpress?

>>299488
A common mistake that people make is to scoff at wordpress/joomla or w/e environments. They provide most of the backend as in you still need to edit html and css to get the things from your theme the way you want. If you are most focused on being a retard, write your website in notepad or php and enjoy the fact that those wordpress noobs will get the job done faster and better.

Most part of the web developer is listening to customer. Stay in touch with them and make sure you know what they want. It is trial and error but keep communication open. When they start giving you features that have no place, warn them about scope creep.

Best you can do is 1. buy a cheap domain so that you will have a real environment. Install joomla and a theme you want (there are plenty free ones ) and pretend you are working for a customer. When you are satisfied try to find your first customer through friends. There are always people who need to update remake or just build a website. Hope this helps

>>300610
>Best you can do is 1. buy a cheap domain so that you will have a real environment.

I beg to differ.

He'd be better off installing a local LAMP environment and developing right in his computer
https://developer.wordpress.org/themes/getting-started/setting-up-a-development-environment/

>>299488
My unsophisticated advice to you would be to dive in. I started a business and designed my WordPress site. Force myself to learn php, js, and CSS. I started with a theme then I essentially modded it.

>>299574
If you're starting from zero I'd suggest the following steps:
Learn html (different parts of a document, tags, heading hierarchy, etc)
Learn css
Learn javascript
Learn php
Learn MySQL
(Optional but highly useful) Learning to use Apache's htaccess directives

Once you have those down, you'll be able to pick up Wordpress very quickly.

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>>299488
Learn Node.js
Learn how to use Git
Learn how to use Bootstrap

Its not hard just read the documentation for each framework. It's like guiding a drunk man home.

any book/tutorials recommendations for ecommerce security?

Don't want to be responsible for stolen credit card numbers

>current year and not using codecademy

lol

Wordpress has huge security flaws and is usually looked down upon in the industry. It's just a tool for beginners really and there are much better CMS's to use.

You should really learn how to build from scratch. It will make you far more valuable, because you can't claim to do web dev if you can't do html/css/javascript and just use build-a-site tools.

If you can do css animations well and can do responsive design well and efficiently, you will do very well for yourself because it is difficult to find good front end developers.

>>301137
This.

Most clients WANT Wordpress because of the CMS. It's one of the better ones out there if not the best.

Wordpress CAN be secure if you know what you're doing including updates and proper licenses, not using outdated plugins, etc.

You NEED to know html and at least css if not php js mysql to develop a good Wordpress site. Themes aren't everything. They just aren't. On that note spending $60 for a theme won't get you very far. It's usually a stylized set of rules and maybe some basic plugins - that if you don't separately purchase the license for will need constant updating of the theme itself.

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>>299488