Spanish government forcing ISP's to block Catalan referendum

>>62479346
Great if true

Catalan politicians are pedophiles and their politics in general are cancer

>>62479369
Go back to /pol/ please.

The normal website works for me (Finland). Wouldn't this censorship be actually counter-effective to the Spanish goverment? I imagine it would just fuel the fire for Catlaonian independence.

>>62479369
This, so much this.

>>62479410
Lets say that spanish goverment politicans aren't the greatest minds in history.

>>62479346
Only blocked inside Spain, use a vpn

>>62479346
Good. As a Canadian I know exactly the shitty cloth those Catalans are cut from, same as the dirty Quebecois, trying to have their cake and eat it too

>fasces in logo
Is that a real logo of a Spanish government agency?

>>62479652
yes it is

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>>62479652
Search for "guardia civil" logo.

Spain never leaved the dictatorship

>>62479346

Nevermind the politics, I'm more interested in how this being *blocked*?

DNS or some sort of IP redirection?

>>62479369
even if you do not agree this is a dangerous precedent to allow a government to censor things, what if the roles were switched? you would be screaming free speech.

>>62479460
Most people are like this, what's that weird effect called where you try to hide something and that makes people want to find out about it more and more?

>>62479715
I use Google dns (inb4 >botnet) and it's still blocked.

>>62479741

Spoiler: Not all governments are run with the US constitution.

>>62479715
It does not allow me to enter via IP.
Neither i can ping the dns. It is some sort of redirection.

>>62479760
Streisand effect

>>62479779
free speech is a human right, it's time to give these spaniards some democracy.

>>62479779
Free speech is human rights. Human rights is signed by all eu members. Spain is en EU.

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>>62479346

Croatia here

>>62479762

What IP does google DNS returns? DNS resolution returns a cloudflare IP for me, in the states. So it could even be CF who is blocking this particular DNS?

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ping ref1oct.eu
PING ref1oct.eu (104.20.44.157) 56(84) bytes of data.

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>>62479824
This is my tracert.

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>>62479346
Spain is still a thing? Here's a question how come it's full of Mexicans? Did those shitlords have a return to the motherland movement where they actually went back? Why are black people so lazy?

>>62479863
>Here's a question how come it's full of Mexicans?

Do you know what Spain is?

>>62479804
>>62479811
If free speech is a human right then why is holocaust denial a thing and why does Spain have the highest penalty for it?

Inb4 pol

>>62479824
NVM, forgot I disabled it. Loads fine with Google DNS

>>62479891
>why does Spain have the highest penalty for it
What? When? I've never seen anybody being judged for denying holocaust.

The only preach "forbidden" in spain is injuries to the crown.

>>62479863
I've actually heard of more cases of Spaniards going to Mexico and other latam countries to work than otherwise because the commies really fucked Spain's shit up.

>http://

Is there a site that measures the accuracy of googles DNS over time?
Reading their reports of what lengths google goes to prevent all kinds of DNS attacks, makes me think they really to provide the best, most accurate service: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/security
Then again stuff like TDS happens where it looks like the exact opposite.

>>62479935
Well I was going off of memory and it looks like they changed the laws to make it legal in 2007. They had the highest minimum sentence out of every country. I get the age of consent confused with it but I want to say it was a 14 year minimum sentence.

>>62479346
I won't click on that link nigga, but good luck to catalans

>>62479369
t. cuck

>>62479804
>>62479811
>implying free speech truly exists in Europe
*get sent to jail for "hate speech"*

Yes it works for me, get a bunch of pictures of rail roads.

>>62479346
Que te jodan por intentar independizarte

>>62480443
>si yo no puedo estar bien se deberán de joder los demás
Putos manolos de mierda.

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I wonder why they want to leave Spain...

The Spanish Inquisition strikes again!

>>62479346
What is the problem being in Spain? Barcelona tries to be the next Monaco, but will fail miserably if the government let them go. You got already enough autonomy so nobody cares.

>>62480443
Tranquilo Paco

>>62480563

Too much delicious food?

>>62479346
10/10
posting on /pol/ as we speak
first time I am happy of Internet censorship

>>62480906
It is ironic considering that all the good food from spain is either from Galicia, Asturias, Pais Vasco, Catalonia or Valencia.

>>62480966
Mudslimes destroyed Castilla. Can't be helped.

>>62479891
If human rights exist why does North Korea?

Protip: oppression doesn't invalidate rights, it represses their practice.

>>62480954
i Hate /pol/ but it seems that internet censorship is not so bad. Fuck you spain you killed my ancestors. True lenca speaking. I have 0% spanish blood I am pure.

>>62479369
>>62479412
thanks for showing your true colors.
nazis only care about free speech when it suits their interests.

>>62481004
>i Hate /pol/ but it seems that internet censorship is not so bad. Fuck you spain you killed my ancestors.
Nigga it's not the Manolos getting fucked, it's the Catalonians who can't even access their own propaganda sites.

>>62481004
>lenca
never heard of it, so I find it very interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenca_people
congrats on staying pure, lad

>>62479804
Free speech is for faggots. Nobody wants American """""""""""""""""""""""democracy""""""""""""""""""""""""""

It has never done anyone any good.

>>62479346
Carrega sense cap problema a Dublin.
Segurament filtren via DNS, molt tipic a Spain. Usa qualsevol altre server dns com els de google (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4) i tirarà sense cap problema.
I, efectivament, en uns dies anirè a Barcelona a veure la senpaiília. I ja que hi soc, passarè per l'urna :-)

>>62481109
hey buddy your keyboard is broken

>>62481162
Gracies per confirmar. ||*|| Visca catalunya.

>>62481013
This. /pol/ is pure cancer.

>>62481162
speak spanish or English you cretin

>>62479346
Spaniard living in Catalonia and im anti separatist.
This measure is pure trash and this shows me what i always knew about my government, we don't have freedom of expression and we are getting monitored on all levels, Spaniards act like they have a constitution but when ever shit goes down they act like pure dictators.
Based on our constitutional rights the government has to provide his population with a house (not even shitting you) but they completely ignore this part of our constitution and instead they focus on how they can extract more money from our souls.

>>62481013
>>62481367
Found the pansexual furryniggers.

>>62481162
>Writing in something that isn't even a proper language in a chink weeb imageboard
This is a whole new level of retardation

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>>62481422
>google
>muh free speech!! /pol/ whining for days
>protonmail
>freeze peach!??! literally /pol/ whines and bitches for days on end
>catalonia
>lol they deserve it
>we call you whiney bitchey faggots on your gay inconsistency
>only retort is "pansexual furry" because all he can do is project onto other people to invalidate his insecurities
grow some balls or neck yourself subhuman trash. no principles, courtesy, or integrity at all in you people.

>>62480992
You're trying to change the argument.

Protip: shoot yourself

>>62480392
>Implying the US has freedom of speech


*Gets arrested for being mean to Jesus*

- http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/10/03/teen-who-desecrated-jesus-statue-hit-with-6-month-ban-from-social-media-and-350-hours-of-community-service/

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>>62481013
>this is exclusive to nazis

Are you sure about this?

>>62481422
Kill yourself anti-freedom scum. Soviet Russia is down the hall and on the left.

>>62481614
Vandalism isn't free speech.

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>>62481013
Sadly that's the only way to be. You can't let be free your enemies that want to see you dead

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>>62480992
>implying humans have free speech in their natural state

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>>62481633
>one article by some dumbass tumblrina snowflake from Canada means we must kill all catalonians

>>62481004
This is how they thank us for bringing them civilization. We should have killed more indiniggers like the anglos did.

>>62481635
>implying something is acceptable just because it's natural

>>62481681
>babby's first strawman

>>62481704
>babbys first conspiracy theory

Ridiculous; we've given Scotland a change to leave the UK. Cracking down on Catalonia will make them more likely to support independence.

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>>62479346

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>>62481717
>conspiracy

>>62481614
Swing and a miss Europe. How gay are you guys?

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>>62480392
*Gets arrested criticising the government*

- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/10/west-virginia-reporter-arrested-tom-price-healthcare-bill
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/10/us-reporter-arrested-asking-health-secretary-question/
- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/dan-heyman-reporter-donald-trump-health-secretary-obamacare-reforms-tom-price-west-virginia-state-a7728206.html
- https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/05/the-arrest-of-a-west-virginia-journalist/526149/
- https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/05/the-arrest-of-a-west-virginia-journalist/526149/
- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/business/media/reporter-arrested-tom-price.html
- http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a54993/reporter-arrested-secretary-tom-price/
- https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/10/reporter-arrested-while-asking-health-chief-tom-price-questions.html

>>62481684
we have nothing to do with you. Fuck your imperialist attitude, you disgraceful fool who does not realize the gold that was taken was sold to the Russians for shitty weapons during your last war.

>>62481627
Vandalism? He put a picture on Facebook that made it look like Jesus was sucking his dick. Do you know what vandalism means?

>>62481752
>people being retards means there's a conspiracy

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>>62481752

>>62481779
sign me up for the SS

>>62481757
Was the CEO from the (((tribe)))?

>>62481779
show the account name faggot.

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>being proud of your race
its kinda sad that you guys dont have anything else to be proud of beacuse you fat asses don't do anything lol

UK here - site works okay for me

>>62481013
>(((/pol/ Nazis)))

>>62479346
I mean, what they're doing is onviously illegal, so good fucking riddance.

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The "referendum" has been declared illegal by the courts, and the courts have ordered that the whole infrastructure be shut down. The web page has been shut down just like when the US shuts down .onion services

Of course, secessionists here took care of saying that it was "the government" who did it. Dictatorship, dictatorship I tell you!

visca la guàrdia civil

>>62479346
GOOD

fuck those catalans and their SPESHIUL SNOWFLAKE attitude

the whole """""""""""""""""""""""""""country"""""""""""""""""""""""""" is like 4 blocks anyway

Catalan referendum is dangerous for entire Europe, kudos to Spanish government

>>62479369
>le Dismiss an entire political ideology as pedophile tactic
/pol/ really needs to go back

>>62482935
Why?

>>62482127
Not even comparable. .onion services are shut down in the United States when they are revealed to be engaging in the distribution of pedophilia, illegal arms, illegal drugs, etc. The United States doesn't shut down websites of activists -- at least, not yet.

>>62481779
>"This Jew Wil replace You"
>"LOL Your Grandkids are Gonna be Brown"
>"We are Replacing You"
are obvious jokes and the reactionaries are incapable of humor. What a twist.

>"Kill Whitey"
I bet, more than anything, that this was photoshopped.

>>62482071
>>62482888
>>62482935
Samefag

>>62479346
That's because they are illegal and against Spain's constitution
It's a good thing they are doing

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I'm from the US. What's the TL;DR on this

>>62483112
>I bet, more than anything, that this was photoshopped.

ahahahahaha, sure thing

>>62483181
35% of Catalonia wants to split from Spain and be a country on itself
Instead of going the lawful way, the current governing party is following illegal practices
They decided to (ilegally) vote wether to leave or stay on October the 1st
The whole process is against Spanish constitution so the Supreme Court ruled the whole thing as illegal, and ordered to seize anything that promotes it

>>62479346
Works perfect here, Im using spanish ISP

>>62481162
>>62481289
>>62481470
This fucking Lolspeak... and my own girlfriend speaks it, what you do for some pussy

>>62483261
Lol, so if they illegally do vote to leave, what would actually happen? Why even bother to do it if you're not going to do it the right way? Is it just a temper tantrum

>>62483329
this is obviously a ploy to promote a police state in spain to crack down on the terrorists that flee to spain and easily escape to north africa where they can be assholes freely

>>62483261
Democracy is a sham.

>>62483329
Well, they got elected because they said they were going to do it, so they have to at least try

I'm surprised they did this. I thought the referendum was going to happen regardless so how would this be in their benefit? It's not like you vote online.

>>62481757
>"aggressively breaching secret service agents to the point where the agents were forced to remove him a couple of times."
You don't get to ignore the Secret Service and get away with it. Harassing someone, told to stop by secret service, and pushing past agents is different than tweeting nigger and getting thrown in jail. Obviously he denies being told anything, but doesn't deny pushing past agents.

>>62481774
Rubbing your dick on a statue in public is vandalism, and at the very least breaching obscenity laws. Regardless, he didn't get any jail time. He has to stay off social media for six months. Really showed us there.

>>62479369
Why is pedophilia the go to insult for you faggots now? It just seems like projection at this point.

>>62483130
You're wrong Jordi

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>>62479692
Yes Ecuadorans are fucking fascists too rite?

Retard.

>>62479346
"catalan" is just a state owned by spain. They (probably) have the right to end any separation website they want.

>>62479369
>>62481422
not an argument

>>62483806
Of course they do, especially after the court declared that the referendum was absolutely against the Constitution. That's why these websites have been shutting down. Catalonians gotta play the victim, though.

>>62481752

"CDU/CSU" is not a left-wing party, edgelord.


>>62481779

Sorry, but if you feel triggered an threatend by some trolls, 4chan probably isn't the right place for you..


>>62483313

Fuck you, dude.

Get a gril that speaks finnish.
You have NO idea..

>>62483535
>We aren't going to let you near him if you keep asking difficult questions.
>Fuck you! That's my job. I'm going over there to ask him a question.
>*gets arrested*
Oh, that totally changes the situation. Not only will you get arrested for asking questions, they'll try to physically stop you from asking them in the first place.
The land of the free, where the government passes bills with the expressed purpose of taking your healthcare, and who will arrest journalists for trying to hold government officials accountable for their actions.

>>62483855
Can you fucking learn how to format your post probably? This gave me cancer.

>CDU/CSU is not a left-wing party, edgelord.
The only right-wing policy I'm aware they have is on taxation. Maybe.


>>62483881
>We aren't going to let you near him if you keep asking difficult questions.
Do you have a source for that? Or did you make up this entire exchange in your head. Regardless, the secret service has every right to stop an individual from following around a a government official.

>they'll try to physically stop you from asking them in the first place.
There are press conferences, you can schedule interviews, and you can reach out to their office to get a statement or response to a question. You don't get to follow officials around and try to shove your way through security. This is how it works in literally any country.

>expressed purpose of taking your healthcare
Healthcare isn't a human right or an expression of freedom. It's a service someone has to pay for. I'm from a country that actually has universal healthcare, and it is absolute garbage. Most citizens end up buying private healthcare anyway. Guess who that hurts the most? The working class.

>who will arrest journalists for trying to hold government officials accountable for their actions.
Not what happened, but you sound like you're an 80 IQ teenager so this discussion is pointless.

>>62481752
women's suffrage was a mistake

>>62479800
Shalom!

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>>62479839
>>>>HE USES HIS ROUTER AS SAMBA SERVER!

>>62483970
>If I keep going off topic, dodging the heart of the argument, and spewing anecdotes people might think I'm smart.
News flash retard, quantity over quality doesn't apply in political debate. If you have 10 retarded arguments you just look like 10 times the retard. You need to actually say something with substance, but that takes basic critical thinking skills, so you're stuffed there.
Next time just say what you want to say instead of desperately trying to stretch your post to take up the maximum character limit and as much screen space as possible. You don't need to put triple new lines after every sentence like an attention seeking redditor. I think you might be projecting a bit on the whole “80 IQ teenager” part.

>>62484207
>News flash retard, quantity over quality doesn't apply in political debate.
Quantity over quality is the way Democracy works brainlet.

>>62484207
>this spew of asspain
Not a a single argument found in this post. Just whining.

>>62480563
they dont want to leave Spain, the just want more privilege.
they threat with leave to get more money

>>62483970

>The only right-wing policy I'm aware they have is on taxation.

There were many thigns like the campaign of CDU/CSU against double citizenship or the debate over the necessity of a „German guiding culture“ and may more..

The only kind of people who don't consider CDU/CSU right wing are /pol/-tards.

>>62484413
>tax cuts
>tax cuts
>increase welfare
>benefits
>more police (probably because you guys keep getting blown up)
>dual citizenship
http://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-presents-cdu-election-manifesto/a-39518029

>no gun ownership
>no border protection
>no decreasing the welfare state
>literally just taxes, taxes, welfare, gibs and a passport issue
If this is right-wing in Germany, it's no wonder you people are fucked in the head.

>>62479346
Works in Finland.

>>62479818
Is this language even spanish?

>>62484508
catalan

>>62481757
On the plus side he has a house now. Bed, toilet, shower, food.

Why exactly do they want independence? Exactly what does the Spanish government do that they hate so much? To me, it just looks like a bunch of richfags in Barcelona do not want to pay tax.

>>62479818
>>62484508
>>62484514
Catalan is essentially a combination of French and Spanish

>>62479346
American here, I can access the website properly.

>>62484243
>Should the government be allowed to arrest journalists for asking questions at the wrong time?
>"Obviously! They're allowed to do it, that's why they're allowed to do it, dumbass."
How would you respond to that? What am I meant to do, act like his kindergarten teacher and try to teach him basic reasoning skills? I’m sorry, but it can’t be done. If you’re at the age where you can post on 4chan and you’re still unable to put together basic arguments then you’re just a lost cause in my book. However, I can still try to teach him how to be concise when desperately trying to derail a thread into the incoherent /pol/ shitposting that he’s used to. If you’re going to be retarded, at least have the common courtesy to do it quietly.

>>62484670
>Should the government be allowed to arrest journalists for asking questions at the wrong time?
That's not what's happening here, you fucking retard. You filter reality through your conflict theory lens, and that's why it's impossible to explain concepts to you. Journalists do not have free reign to move wherever they fucking please in government buildings. This would make actually governing impossible. If the secret service think you're a threat or that you're not allowed past a certain point (for example, you can't just fucking climb into the car a Senator is leaving in to ask him a question), you don't get to shove past them, dumbass. Kill yourself.

>>62484731
>If you can't carjack a politician to ask him questions, then you shouldn't be allowed to ask him questions in a public hallway that you have permission to be in.
Why dont you want journalists to have freedom of speech? Are you scared that they might make daddy Donald look bad?

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>>62481757
>If I link to the same incident ten times, that means there were ten incidents

>>62484862
>If you can't carjack a politician to ask him questions, then you shouldn't be allowed to ask him questions in a public hallway that you have permission to be in.
>strawmanning this hard
You're not allowed to ignore secret service, and you're definitely not allowed to physically push past them. Imagine if you shoulder checked a cop on a sidewalk.
>but it's public space!
Doesn't matter.

>daddy Donald
Trump is a cuck who loves jews and dirty spic kids. Tom Price agrees more with you than he does me. You can keep pretending you're fighting the system with something as milquetoast as healthcare.

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>>62483130

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>>62483632
>You're wrong Jordi

>>62484908
>I think the rules should say x is legal
>What!? But x is illegal! You aren't allowed to do that!
Are you even listening?

>>62483572
>Rubbing your dick

>Standing infront of a statue


How autistic are you?

>>62485077
Your entire argument has been nothing but goal post moving and fallacies since the start.

>>62485134
List one of them.

>>62485077
You need me to explain why people shouldn't be able to be physically aggressive with law enforcement? You need me to explain why the secret service is allowed to keep people away from government officials? Because otherwise the entire point of having them is meaningless, and basic functions they need to perform are impossible.

If you want to say that you don't believe in the state using any physical force because it's violence, that is an entirely separate argument. If this journalist only asked a question from within a crowd and was physically removed, I'd agree with you. But that's not what happened.

>>62485152
The original argument was that the US had no freedom of speech because of an aggressive reporter being thrown out by the SS. Now you're claiming your argument is simply "that it should be legal", rather than defending WHY it's an abrogation of free speech.

>>62485152
That wasn't me, but see>>62484862
I never argued that people aren't allowed to ask a government officials questions in a public hallway. I said journalists aren't allowed to ignore instructions from secret service and try to shoulder check them to get closer to an official. You used a strawman.

>>62483535
>You don't get to ignore the Secret Service and get away with it.
Says who? Your pathetic appeals to statism are cancer.

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>>62485259
>being a literal anarchist
You don't have the right to walk into my home without permission, nor do you have the right to trespass on a business property without permission. If a government is no more than a corporation that claims soverignty, as anarchists claim, why would you be allowed to trespass there?

>>62485259
see>>62485154
>Because otherwise the entire point of having them is meaningless, and basic functions they need to perform are impossible.
If you don't believe that states should exist, that's an entirely different argument. And I don't really hold anything against anarchists (the non-communist kind) morally, but I still think you're a bit retarded.

>>62485217
>The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.
Having the police physically remove somone from public property because of something he said is a violation of his freedom of speech. He resisted the police's orders, which he shouldn't have done, but the police shouldn't have given those orders to begin with. I have a feeling we're not even talking about the same thing.

>>62485312
He wasn't removed because he was saying things. He was removed because he was pushing past the SS to follow a cabinet member into a restricted area. You can't just walk everywhere in the Capitol unescorted.

>>62485294
>opposing an overbearing federal state is the same thing as total anarchism that disrespects the rights to private property
How does it feel to be completely retarded?
>If a government is no more than a corporation that claims soverignty, as anarchists claim,
Except nobody claims that.

>>62485365
>ur dum
that is an argument yes

>>62485328
>he was pushing past the SS
>the SS
It's like pottery

>>62480563
>mickey mouse hat
Kok

Can the mods please keep the /pol/tards at bay?

>>62485379
Except that wasn't my argument. Prove it was.

>>62485312
>Having the police physically remove somone from public property because of something he said is a violation of his freedom of speech.
That's not what happened. The secret service formed a physical barrier because they thought this guy was going to try to get closer to a government official, which they are supposed to protect from physical attacks. In response, he tried to shove past them. He was arrested for trying to push past them.

The press also doesn't have the "freedom" of making people answer their questions. They're not forbidden from asking them, but they're not entitled to a response. The journalist could have easily sent the question to his office via email or called in to get a statement.

>>62485328
The articles aren't clear if he was moving into a restricted area. They say it started in a public hallway, but don't describe anything past that and there's no video of the incident, only of the arrest.

>>62485365
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/is-our-government-just-another-corporation/

>>62485379
Charles, is that you?

>>62485414
>That's not what happened. The secret service formed a physical barrier because they thought this guy was going to try to get closer to a government official, which they are supposed to protect from physical attacks. In response, he tried to shove past them. He was arrested for trying to push past them.
So instead of just answering the question this guy had his attack dogs take care of this reporter, making just even more obvious he's trying to cover things up.
>One link
Wow you sure showed me.

>>62485443
>So instead of just answering the question this guy had his attack dogs take care of this reporter
No, instead of going home and trying to contact Tom Price's office later for clarification on his question, he tried to tackle a secret service agent and was arrested for it.

>Wow you sure showed me.
I did. That's someone who claims the US government is a corporation. You said nobody did.

https://wakeup-world.com/2015/12/02/proof-that-the-usa-is-controlled-by-foreign-corporations/

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/07/04/independence-day-corporation-united-states-america/

http://freedom-school.com/the-united-states-is-a-corporation.html

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/when-the-united-states-became-a-corporation/

It seems like this is mostly limited to those sovereign citizen nutjobs and minorities watching illuminati videos on youtube.

As a Catalan myself I find this pathetic. I am not in favour of independence, but the attempt of stopping a completely democratic votation in a so called "democratic" country just saddens me. I can understand why some people want Catalonia to leave Spain.

>>62486004
I don't think it's consistent with democracy that a subset of a country can elect themselves special privileges that take away privileges of others. If entirety of Spain was in the election, then the election would be consistent with democracy.

>>62486357
>>62486004

It's like if bunch or rich people got together and elected themselves out of the obligation to pay taxes.

>>62486357
>people who don't actually live in that subset get to choose the destiny of the people that actually live there cause muh whole country should decide
That's just some lame ass politically correct excuse, not even the UK pulled that bullshit on Scotland and this is coming from someone who considers Catalonians fucking rats.

>>62486542

In UK, the UK government which was elected by the whole of UK including the people inside and the outside of Scotland allowed the election. This means that the will of the people in a representative democracy was to allow the election.
In case Spain. The government elected by the whole of Spain representing Spain does not allow the referendum. Which means the will of the Spanish people is to not to allow the election.

>>62486669
>Which means the will of the Spanish people is to not to allow the election.
wrong, just because the government does something doesn't mean the people agrees with it

>>62479346
Works on tor. They should probably get a .onion too, fuck the censors.

>>62486707

Representative democracy means you already agreed to it. Where do you think the government gets its power? You are the government. There are constitutional limitations of course.

>>62486793
people who are alive today didn't agree to jack shit at the time that the constitution was written. the political systems in most countries is absolutely rigged. there is no provision that lets people have any direct legally binding effect on policy and such.

>>62486819
Spain has a process that allows amending the constitution, right? Every so years you have elections that allow for the change of the representatives that can amend the constitution.
Vote people in who allow the secession vote.

>>62479346
werks on my machine

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>>62479346
well Pedro i think your government i cucking you

>>62479839
Your ISP doesnt seem to be the problem