tell me again why electric cars are not a democrat voting vegan meme?
Not to mention electric cars are coal powered anyway.
That's not a lithium mine
>>62460677
here's a better oilsands picture for ya
This meme is retarded. It's implying that if a resource tends to have larger sites then it is automatically less efficient.
>>62460677
how about dis one.
>>62460677
Might as well walk
>>62460677
That's actually one of the largest copper mines on Earth.
The rest is explained here: https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response/
>>62460704
>>62460718
cool, would work there.
lithium mines are fucking aesthetic. Breddy bad for local flamingos apparently.
Oil sands aren't bad due to their immediate local environmental impact but due to the fact that it COSTS MORE ENERGY TO GET THE OIL OUT OF OIL SANDS THAN YOU GET FROM THE OIL THAT IS PRODUCED. Also
>wanting gas or electric powered cars
>not cars powered by nuclear fusion
Putting aside any of the political / environmental factors, any consumer should see the benefits in long term savings from eliminating traditional maintenance and fuel costs from gas car ownership.
With an electric vehicle you don't need to purchase fuel, you don't need to pay for oil changes, you don't need to replace your fuel filters, you don't need to replace your spark plugs even. Tesla also claims that brake pads last longer with their vehicles, though I don't know of any data to support that claim.
You can also get all of your electricity for free with public charging stations.
In the first year of owning an electric vehicle you can see thousands of dollars of savings over a gas vehicle. Even if you couldn't care less about the environment, you should care about that.
>>62460677
Nice propaganda.
>>62460783
>With an electric vehicle you don't need to purchase fuel
You plug the car into a tree do you?
>>62460704
>humans are literal cancer cells attached to the earth
>>62460838
Literally one sentence later:
>You can also get all of your electricity for free with public charging stations.
>>62460838
do you only read the parts you want to read?
>public charging stations
OP do you happen to work for Exxon?
Oil is more expensive than electric supply AND it will deplete faster.
>>62460838
>people with autism are afraid of change
>>62460847
>>62460850
Yes I do
and this electricity from the charging stations, how is it produced?
You know, somehow I feel that these massive mining operation aerial pictures are kind of beautiful, in their own way. It's like I'm looking at living proof of man's ingenuity at one of it's largest scale, most powerful incarnations.
>>62460867
Who cares? I'm not paying for it, and there aren't free gas stations.
>>62460718
Looks like mordor
>>62460847
How long do you think that'll last. Electricity costs money
>>62460867
Well, you see, sperg, there's a dam, with water flowing down it, which in turn spins magnets, which then produces electricity.
>>62460867
the most aesthetic form of power generation
>>62460767
Oh wow, that's actually pretty cool.
>>62460773
>not cars powered by nuclear fusion
lol heat engine
>>62460677
You don't "mine" lithium. You go out into a dry lakebed and scoop it out and dry it out in a tarp. That image is of an open copper mine. Actual oil sands areas look like an image from the Persian Gulf War.
>>62460783
>Tesla also claims that brake pads last longer with their vehicles, though I don't know of any data to support that claim.
Their engines can brake generating electricity, in theory. Don't know if they actually do.
>>62460773
A car powered by nuclear fusion would be electric. Fusion requires impractically high temperatures (and probably large volume/weight devices, if we ever get it working), so it makes more sense to use a conventional electric car and attach a fusion plant to the grid.
That's the main advantage of electric cars, from an environmental standpoint. If we come up with cleaner or more efficient ways to generate power, that improves the environmental footprint of the cars already on the road.
>>62460677
Territory planner here.
The problem is not the density of pollution in a single place, but the pollution in dense urban areas and the general pollution of the planet. That's all.
Electric cars are not a thing for you americans, maybe just for your metropolis, but they are perfect for europe.
The point is that we need to keep people safe, today and in the future. We can't ruin the air or the water of seas, but really, ther's no problem to make a mine
>>62460688
You can't be this dumb. The mining is a good point but obviously ideally that energy will eventually come from sustainable sources.
>>62460925
I'm hard.
>>62461033
>Electric cars are not a thing for you americans
They should seriously consider a massive railroad project for increased connectivity across the country.
>>62460914
You get 80%+ of your power from coal gas and nuclear.
>>62461033
this is why LA and NYC need to gtfo of USA, these faggots are the ones bitching about overpopulation and pollution. wtf do they expect? plenty of space, trees, and water where I live.
>>62461036
Right. And in how many centuries will these sources become efficient enough to produce most of the world's electricity? Until fusion reactors enter the picture, mass clean energy is almost a pipe dream.
>>62460898
A single wind turbine can charge 100,000 cars in a year. A single wind farm can supply the electricity to power all electric cars in the US annually.
I think we'll be fine.
>>62460783
>Even if you couldn't care less about the environment
People like that should be made into fish food as fast as possible. Saving the planet only works if everyone does at least something. It's like trying to sail to safety and someone onboard keeps drilling holes into the boat. Without them the process would be faster and more efficient.
>>62460773
>COSTS MORE ENERGY TO GET THE OIL OUT OF OIL SANDS THAN YOU GET FROM THE OIL THAT IS PRODUCED.
not true. Or else it would not be a viable business
t. engineer
>>62461033
Alto, cars are not the cause of pollution for the plant, the problem are the building compartement ( from construction to dwell ) and intensive livestock farming, but cars are maybe the more directly dangerous for man in dense area.
>>62461082
>A single wind turbine can charge 100,000 cars in a year
Fucking source please. also what happens if the wind stops?
>>62461076
Nuclear is clean though
>>62460773
>thinks people use $100 in oil to pull up $99 in oil and that it somehow works as a business
>>62461036
>sustainable sources
>for the quantity of electricity needed to power a full city's car traffic
HAHAHAHAHA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Retarded faggot, the only thing that can sustain the electrical requirements are Thorium Reactors, and that's about it.
Even Dutch faggots had to import massive amounts of electricity just to satisfy a good part of the train system to make it "clean" without any capacity to provide it on their own, let alone fucking cars.
>>62461097
It would with subsidies, because coal is heavily subsidized right now and still manages to shrink.
>>62461110
>if the wind stops
The fuck? You don't put wind turbines in these places obviously.
>>62461097
>not knowing about oil subsidies by the government
>not knowing that the actual price of gas is like 9 dollars a gallon without the government paying oil companies to keep the price down
Some engineer
>>62460677
Its not about being better for the environment and more because when we do start running short on fossil fuels all non el cars will get fucked, better spending what we have on other things.
Electric cars are still garbage unless somebody stops making them look like marsmellows
>>62461113
At the end its clean but they still to mine the material they use to create heat
>>62461081
"It probably wont happen som why bother even try lmao"
>>62461153
Mining is localized damage. That's nothing compared to the global damage oil is causing.
>>62461131
>>62461141
Im norwegian, we don't subsidize the oil because oil is more than profitable enough so it did not occur to me. Seems like a shit system if it's effectively draining your tax dollars AND wasting oil at the same time.
Why is nobody ever complaining about hydroplants' dams that flood huge areas and altering rivers to fuck local ecosystems the fuck up?
I dont like electric cars
They look gay
>>62461187
Same reason I don't like you
>>62461180
Enviromentalist groups bitch about that constantly. But its still small scale damage compared to most other forms of energy extraction, so it happens anyways.
>>62461180
Again, localized damage. Nobody gives a shit about that.
>>62461209
they claim to when it's fracking
>>62461204
>small scale damage
You best be shitting jimmy.
>>62461224
>reading literally half of the sentence
ffs reading literacy just gets lower and lower
>>62461236
>small scale damage
You best be pulling my leg, or i'll be pulling your balls out jimmy.
>>62460677
go back to /pol/
>>62461224
Please research what global warming is doing to the planet before you try to voice your opinion on the subject.
And yes the damage a dam does is smalltime.
We've been burning oil and coal for centuries and have been fine it's so fucking dumb that people think we'll run out of it. Like how, that's like running out of air land water or diamonds. The shits here forever and it's literally the most perfect fuel source on the planet, after nuclear.
>>62461281
Fucking with rivers contributes to global warming with effects on plants as well as wildlife if it crosses into a anthrax pocket, so you should seek your own advice and research smartass.
It's stupid people like this >>62461281
who have turned global warming from a problem people cared about into a meme when blasted from mouths of idiots that rest of society stopped caring about. It's like watching a meme become stank just by it being taken up by a band of idiots.
>>62461146
Apparently marketing people think that making electric cars look "unique" makes them sell better to appeal to people who like others to know they are saving the Earth and they are better than you. Marketing people are fucking fags.
They should just make normal looking electric vehicles. No one wants to drive these rounded abominations.
>>62461320
What the fuck have you been smoking? The global population keeps growing all the fucking time. What was enough centuries ago has nothing to do with the fact that we're running out of everything due to overpopulation.
>>62460996
>Their engines can brake generating electricity, in theory. Don't know if they actually do.
Look up how their drive train works. When you're not using current from the battery the drivetrain turns into a giant generator and the kinetic energy of your car coasting gets turned back into energy. You only use the disc brakes if you press hard on the pedal or below like 5mph.
>>62461346
How are the hurricanes treating you?
Global warming would be resolved much quicker if the people who preached about it like clerics spent their time studying and getting jobs to combat it, instead of wasting time on the Internet trying to get upvotes by virtue signaling. Because signaling about how you care about global warming does fuckall to maintain it.
>>62461360
Nah. I don't buy it. It's horseshit. Right now the oil prices have been tumbling down all year because there's so much of it, literally an abundance more than we've ever seen and the population is so high.
Renewables are fine (they aren't really renewable though, nothing is, it's just a marketing term like "organic") but coal and especially oil will be around forever. There's so much of it. There's no way we "run out" in like 100 years.
>>62460767
are these colored rectangles brine pools, or building roofs?
>>62460677
Oil can be burned in generators 1000Km away from the city you live in while you drive a car that is powered by the oil being burned 1000Km away from the city you live in.
It is the do not shit where you live concept.
Thank Nikola Tesla.
>>62461376
You fucking moron it's a group effort only achievable through politics. And to get politicians working on it you need people that are convinced that it's a problem.
>>62461399
The problem is that the ones drilling holes are industries who don't have the capacity to R&D filters and systems that require specialized companies, and those specialized companies who R&D and also go to industries and outfit the shit, should be seeing employment from the whiners.
Except global warming preachers don't do or study because that takes effort and work, they'd rather bore people on the Internet hoping for upvotes.
You know the tale: Take responsibility for your words, or shut the fuck up, because only those who whine take upon themselves the responsibility.
>>62461396
>they aren't really renewable though
I don't get how wind isn't renewable. Unless you're afraid that we put up so many turbines that the wind just stops altogether.
>>62461443
I think that a lot of people (and politicians) are convinced, it's just not their priority. We're living in an increasingly fucked world - it's 2017 and we have yet to see the famous "world peace". It's obvious humans are just cancer cells attached to Earth
>>62460847
Oh so it's like "free" healthcare.
>>62461458
And those turbines require upkeep and maintenance and I doubt are manufactured without the use of fossil fuels.
I just hate it the entire concept is a lie. They are alternative sources for energy sure. Renewable they are not. Same with Solar.
>>62461496
If we went full nuclear / thorium it would be extremely cheap. Virtually free? Does that count?
>>62461449
>the ones drilling holes are industries
No, it's everyone everywhere. Avoiding responsibility and saying it's someone else's fault entirely is not helpful at all. It is harmful. You can also boycott the industries that are the most harmful until they publicly prove that they have done something about it.
>>62461443
>You fucking moron it's a group effort only achievable through politics.
>I don't want to R&D clean technologies and implement them into fabrics and refineries, survey tree cutting and plant the exact trees where they were cut while following the heels of cutters, and do tangible work
>i want the industries to do the work for me even if they don't have the capacity to achieve it which requires specialized and subsidized entities as mentioned above
>i can achieve this non-solution via politics
Yeah, you can achieve nothing through politics;
OR you can learn some basic economics and business, and then go do shit yourself.
Your whining on the Internet does nothing except desensitize people and bore them with your idiocy.
>>62461525
>No, it's everyone everywhere.
Nope.
It's those who do the damage, and those who whine about it but don't do any tangible shit to help fix it.
>Avoiding responsibility and saying it's someone else's fault
The fault is with those who create smog without filters and fuck up greenery without replanting or maintaining, and at the same time with those who whine about the aforementioned and don't do shit to create filters, to survey who is doing damage and follow in their footsteps to fix shit.
The rest of society has better things to do.
Electric cars are a meme and not a good idea at all. The only reason they're being shilled so hard is because of everyone's boner for Elon musk.
The future is in hydrogen fuel cell
>no long recharge times
>no harmful emissions
>no harmful mining sites required
>>62461526
>and then go do shit yourself.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional
If you think that at any point an individual has any impact on the environment see link.
Our economics literally dictate to produce shit as cheap as possible to maximize profits. If you don't enforce laws that improve environmental impact NOBODY WILL FUCKING DO IT.
>>62461526
>guys stop protesting international conglomerates that are literally destroying the earth
>just use ECONOMICS and do it PEACEFULLY XD
you are a cancer. you seriously think people defending the status quo are going to play nice?
>>62461525
>You can also boycott the industries that are the most harmful until they publicly prove that they have done something about it.
Or you can become a company specialized with cleaning and fixing nature. You know, like basic economics works. Not all companies can, or should, do 10 things at once.
>>62461505
We'll reach a point where new wind turbines and solar panels can theoretically be manufactured using only wind/solar power (although maybe not without petrochemicals). Would that be good enough for you?
>>62460677
When did you realise that you were going to starve to death in a refugee camp as the sea swallowed 60% of our urban centres?
>>62461598
I'm done. You legitimately retarded.
>>62461584
>NOBODY WILL FUCKING DO IT.
In other words, the people who whine about climate won't do fucking shit about it, their only purpose is to whine on the Internet for points and expect others to do it for them like a noble commanding a serf.
So basically ecofags are proponents of the serfdom system. Their intelligence being stuck in that age as well.
>>62461610
I live at 1300m. I think I'll be fine
>>62461625
You are a retard who wants to boycott anyone not doing what you should be doing yourself, and you are calling others retards?
All I see when i read your post is a feudal monkey.
>>62461076
but that can be changed and doesn't require a change to every car on the market. if vehicles are electric, you let giant plants (which are more efficient than any ICE) do the dirty work and you can phase out those plants for wind/solar/hydro/nuclear over time without requiring a change in EVERY SINGLE CAR on the planet. it won't matter where we get energy from.
from a programmers perspective that's insanely better. it's like we have code for every letter you see in a program (ICE car converting gas input to movement output) instead of just making them read (pull power) from a more efficient batch processor that handles all of the letter code and can be swapped out at any time without needing to edit the code of every letter to adapt.
>>62461642
You'd better have a gun and a basement full of canned goods and water. The refugees will be coming to you.
>>62461636
>>62461655
>muh socialism
>muh serfdom
>muh feudalism
you people are a broken record.
>>62461610
Never, because I'm not a coastal retard committed to cultural suicide.
>>62461674
>you people
Oh, so it's not about fixing nature, it's about rooting for teams.
I understand your stupid monkey brain now and why you don't do as you say, but expect others to do it for you.
You suffer from a princess complex.
>>62461665
Good thing I have plenty of both. Pretty damn common where I'm at for people to own guns and have food storage
>>62461526
the problem isn't that we don't have efficient methods of combating it, companies won't implement them if it costs them .2% more, they just go for the cheapest solution- which, when the government is propping up industries through subsidies you are being pushed out of the game before it begins. politics is 100% necessary when these current companies who don't want to change are using their influence to stifle the innovation you apparently think doesn't exist
>>62461655
>not doing what you should be doing yourself
Let's say that a bunch of new companies started harvesting resources that pollute, but they do it in a clean way like you said. Would that somehow improve the environment? Would those companies even be economically viable or competitive compared to conventional ones?
>>62460844
t. Agent Smith
Rising sea levels will also destroy land-based communications infrastructure in our urban centres. Climate change will break the internet, and end the memes.
>>62461697
>fixing nature
>rooting for teams
you are literally schizophrenic. what part of "I don't want to leave in a sterile desert where there are hurricanes every week" don't you understand?
>>62460925
>those retards saying that those white plumes are pollution
>>62460677
When your primary source of information is memes
>>62461714
>the problem isn't that we don't have efficient methods of combating it, companies won't implement them if it costs them .2% more
No. Implementation is not the problem.
R&D and analytics is the problem, because it costs as much as the company itself, and it requires a specialized company doing both research of solutions, development, implementation, transport, and analytics of all production and refinement companies in a centralized system.
Unfortunately dumbfucks don't understand this point and think implementation alone with .2% costs is solely the reason companies don't implement.
>>62460925
>>62461737
fyi these can be used on coal plants. They're just cooling towers.
>>62461636
Most people here in Sweden actually DO it, but we'll get fucked either way because basically no one outside of Europe and borderline submerged pacific islands gives a shit
>>62461737
water vapor is the single biggest contributing atmospheric compound to the greenhouse effect
>>62461076
>>62460867
Burning fossil fuels en masse in a power plant is more energy-effective than burning them in a million of small engines. A car enginge turns around 75% of the energy into heat. An engine for a big ship turns only 50% of the energy into heat. I'd figure an even bigger engine in a power plant loses even less energy than that.
>>62461724
I don't understand why you aren't busy working for a tree planting company or a filter outfitting company, instead of shitposting on the Internet with your stupidity, since you care so much.
That's what makes you a stupid trash human.
You bark but have no bite.
>>62460704
Mother of god...
>>62460925
It's not sustainable for eternity.
>>62461755
I specifically mean people posting shit like
>look how much pollution nuclear reactors produce
>>62461776
what if I do? what will be your response then?
even if I don't, there are millions of people involved with that kind of stuff. how come the global climate isn't improving?
>>62461570
This post is a great example why things have gone this bad. People actually think that the blame is some faceless company and never their own. They don't even boycott the most harmful company because that other one's products costs five cents more.
>The rest of society has better things to do.
Not for long, dumbass. They are a huge part of the problem while not helping.
>>62461598
So one company can freely pollute to maximize their profits and we'll just deal with it later by creating another company that's designed to fix that mess? Who is funding that company? You know, like basic economics would require.
>>62461809
>what if I do?
You don't, that's why you whine on the Internet.
People who do this shit are either too busy doing it or too above being vocal preachers of something they already do.
You are a self-proclaimed "social influencer" the literal trash of humanity who want credit for something they don't even do.
>>62461751
>and it requires a specialized company doing both research of solutions, development, implementation, transport, and analytics of all production and refinement companies in a centralized system.
That costs money. You're seriously delusional if you think this will happen without incentives from the government.
>>62461776
>I don't understand why you aren't busy working for a tree planting company or a filter outfitting company
Planting trees or buying filters won't happen because they only cost money, not make it.
And none of that matters because other companies in other countries won't do the same and will push you out of the market because they are cheaper. This is literally economics 101.
>>62461768
Climate undergoes constant changes, fuck off with your boogeyman.
I actually welcome the ice age that will happen here if Gulf Stream gets cut. I hate summers and I'm rich enough to pay for the two times more expensive imported food.
We fuel vehicles with rapeseed oil here.
>>62461844
>I actually welcome the ice age that will happen here
And you just assume the transition will be a smooth one? Changes on that scale are not smooth. They're chaotic that need time to settle which could take lifetimes.
>>62461844
>implying climate change won't end agriculture as we know it
>>62461873
Well at least it will be interesting. We get no disasters here and it's kinda boring.
Honestly though, you can't stop the natural cycle of climate change, jimmy.
Give up.
>>62461827
yes, EVERYTHING must conform to your vision of reality. when will you realize your arguments have no foundation? they are built on lies you tell yourself to feel better. this (un)ideal person you imagine and strawman doesn't exist.
the reality is that the people fighting to accelerate global warming have more wealth and power than those fighting against them. this imbalance is the nature of our economy and government. it has nothing to do with this "subhuman BuzzFeed trash" that you try ever so hard to idealize.
>>62461827
>global x-ing criers in a nutshell
>>62461900
Just like all previous ice ages / warm periods did, right?
>>62461815
>So one company can freely pollute to maximize their profits and we'll just deal with it later by creating another company that's designed to fix that mess?
A company that fixes shit must be a specialized company. The efforts required to assemble a list of all technologies currently used by production companies, developing green systems for them and producing them, maintaining the list, transporting and expending teams to locations to resolve, and surveying impact and repair, requires:
- A specialized whole company, because no company can afford doing all of that without opening a clone of themselves.
- A specialized whole company which will centralize all the lists and information and surveys.
- A specialized whole company with its own transportation and delivery system.
>Who is funding that company?
Government subsidies + eco-tax on those companies you hate so much whose job is profitability.
Companies who produce and refine can't in any rational way clone themselves and retain profitability to attain the deluded expectations you have of them which literally require cloning a company.
You can either contribute by studying, forming, and working for a specialized company, or you can fuck off. Governments won't listen to you because forcing eco-tech would bankrupt everyone if they did it privately with the requirements expected from it. Something that any person who has studies how business organization and economics works can tell you you illiterate.
>>62461911
>the reality is that the people fighting to accelerate global warming have more wealth and power than those fighting against them.
The reality is that the people fighting to help nature don't have half the passion that people who accelerate global warming have for money,
which is why you are stuck being a "social influencer" on the Internet instead of doing something tangible. In other words, you are too stupid and lazy to pick up a book.
>>62461610
The sea level won't rise all that much, do your research.
Or you mean in your retarded country all people live at the coast?
Good luck then.
>>62461860
>We fuel vehicles with rape
>>62462002
>The reality is that the people fighting to help nature don't have half the passion that people who accelerate global warming have for money,
your absurd blanket statements reveal more of your intellectual laziness
>which is why you are stuck being a "social influencer" on the Internet instead of doing something tangible.
and you reach this conclusion because?...
>In other words, you are too stupid and lazy to pick up a book.
your version of reality is so insufferably skewed. reading books == wealth now? damn, I didn't know that anybody could become wealthy so easily.
Electric tech is good because it is decentralized. You have power generations all over the country, you even have people with solar or wind providing their own power.
Compare to oil that needs to be refined in a central location and transported over pipelines and then finally on trucks. It's a weak system compared to electric distribution.
The future is a decentralized one, the internet has done this. We might even have a decentralized crypto currency
>>62460677
Who says e cars are better for environment? Nobody says that. The energy needs to be produced anyway. Its better for health in cities since there is no exhaust gas, thats about it. ANd thats we e cars are the most hypocritical thing on the planet.
>riding cars without the need to do so is fine just please keep the fallout away from my precious fucking childrens lungs.
>>62462064
No, reading books is skills to plant trees and create filters.
You are too stupid and lazy to do anything of the aforementioned, so you whine on the Internet.
You are a worthless dreg.
I contribute to nature's wellbeing by shitposting as much as you do by virtueposting.
This is how deluded and stupid you are you worthless dreg.
>>62462085
This. I live in the forest, but have to work in the city and i would smell fart rather than cancer inducing diesel engines.
>>62462107
you have no bearing on how our society functions. if anyone here is worthless it's you.
>>62461860
Actually modern agriculture is very bad for the environment.
Just lobby for nuclear and then start using electric cars.
Simple as shit, but normalfags are too scared of the big cooling towers emitting the horrible hydrogen dioxide and the risk of a malfunction (which in case of a modern plant built in a disaster free zone is infinitesimal).
anyway what the fuck did the Nips think? Now the public opinion will get even more retarded.
>>62462150
I don't want to have bearing on society as i'm not as deluded as a faggot like yourself,
but you sure as hell do with your virtueposting on the Internet. You are too unwilling to go and plant trees because that would mean you need to leave the basement and the Internet to do something, so you whine on the Internet about global warming in your ass.
>>62461957
>You can either contribute by studying, forming, and working for a specialized company, or you can fuck off
So you just can't get it even after explaining. Maybe a metaphor would help.
>Man, that company producing fidget spinners is producing tons of waste which it then dumps into the nearby river. That river is horrible. Well, I better go buy a new fidget spinner from them and dump the old one into the river. It's not like it matters anyway, that river is so polluted already. It's that company's fault and not mine and all my friends, even though we also dump our other trash in it now. What we need is a new company cleaning all that waste. Someone better get right to it, but not me of course. I should just stay as a burden to the planet. Oh wow they produced another fidget spinner already? I better get that one too.
Actually that sounds a lot like Indian thinking. Are you Indian? In civilized countries people understand these things. By not funding the problem the problem won't stay profitable, therefore it won't grow bigger.
>>62462224
>>Man, that company producing fidget spinners is producing tons of waste which it then dumps into the nearby river. That river is horrible. Maybe i should produce some technology and go help them figure out a better way than dumping into the river, but i don't have the brain to do it and i'm too lazy to leave the Internet, so i'll whine on the Internet instead.
>>62462203
you have no idea what I'm willing or unwilling to do. fuck off with your "totally in your head" analysis skills.
>>62462264
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that someone is a worthless piece of lazy garbage when they are willing to spend an hour of time achieving nothing on some irrelevant Internet image-board instead of doing what they preach and fixing nature.
You are just lacking in self-awareness, much like Indians who shit on the streets.
>>62462261
Did you come up with a fix already? Oh wait, that was for "those other people who whine about it". Yeah, they should do all the work and not me. It's not like this is a global issue affecting everyone eventually.
Even metaphors won't help if you don't read them.
>>62460783
Regenerative braking is awesome
>>62462078
>The future is decentralized
Jesus Christ I wish I could be this delusional. Probably wouldn't be fucking depressed all the time if I could literally believe ancap fairy tales
However this post might be just bait
>The internet is decentralized
This statement is so retarded that I have serious doubts anybody is capable of being this delusional
>>62462331
I don't give a fuck so I have no responsibility. I'm fine and dandy in a continental inward place far away from a danger that is effective only long long after my lifespan ends.
But you sure bark about what you don't do, so you should just do it, or shut the fuck up and let the neighbors sleep you worthless trash.
>>62462261
It needs to be cheaper though, otherwise it won't be used.
Why do you think that a method that is both cheaper and more environmentally friendly and possible with current tech even exists?
Why do you think those retards would be able to find it?
Anyway the cure to most of our problems exists already: build a fuckton of nuclear plants and make everything use electricity (e.g. electric cars). What do you want the anon to do? Build a nuclear power plant on his own? Impossible, but even if it wasn't, you still need government approval and you won't get that without public approval. So actually trying to change public opinion isn't such a shitty idea (though doing it on 4chins is retarded).
Yea whats up man wanna smoke some kush
>>62462376
>What do you want the anon to do? Build a nuclear power plant on his own?
No, i want him to contribute to it with other people who bark about it on the Internet but don't do shit.
You want clean nature? Stop talking and start walking bitch.
I'm tired of dumb hypocrites.
>>62461036
You are seriously fucking retarded. You, and everyone like you, needs to pull their heads out of their asses if you think we can power all current cars with electricity and abandon fossil fuels within the next 200 years. Electric is a fucking meme. Only thing good about it is that you don't have as many moving parts so less repairs. However, you sacrifice that by paying for a 5000 battery every 5 years. Choose your poison
>>62462366
There won't be a point of time when people stop whining about it, so the only way to avoid it totally is to kill yourself now if you can't take it.
>>62462402
How is he supposed to contribute?
You can't build new plants without governmental approval and currently people are scared shitless so no politician will risk his career.
You want him to run for president or what?
>you need to waste gas getting gas physically into the cars
>electricity just travels by wire
Isn't that single point a huge argument in favor of electric cars? Cuts down on the logistic nightmare of distributing physical goods.
>>62462426
Or I can just continue giving companies ammo to continue what they are doing until dumbfucks like yourself are finally forced to choke to death on fumes or start walking the walk to plant trees and install filters.
In reality, you are the one who has no influence with your mouth, while i have influence with my money.
>>62462424
You know how cheap the batteries would be if everybody used electric cars? But nowadays yeah, too expensive.
>>62462443
Some losses on the electric lines, so same shit. And you still need fuel to power the plants.
>>62462433
>How is he supposed to contribute?
1. Architecture
2. Civil engineering
3. Atomic physics
4. Energetics
5. Thermodynamics
You can pick any field of study, development, and maintenance. Take your pick and go get that degree in Europe for free, and then start doing shit.
Or you can get a degree in tree planting. Just stick by your words instead of expecting people who don't give a fuck to do as you say but not as you do.
>if I buy a hybrid and separate my waste I'll save the environment!
Yeah good luck with that. The world is fucked either way no matter if you buy a Tesla or some V8 truck.
By 2050 India alone will grow by the equivalent of the current US population, that's just India, and Nigeria will overtake the US population. Good luck living in a world with that many people.
A lot of African countries right now depend on constant international aid to feed their populations, good luck feeding 2 billion niggers, not to mention that even if 1% of them manage to get to Europe, we're as good as dead.
Even now Europe is being burdened by a permanent underclass that will never amount to anything, let alone invent solutions to global problems.
You best hope at least China survives so some kind of civilization remains after white people get taken over by their own pets.
>>62462424
We could literally use oil to produce electricity to power electric cars and we'd still be better off.
>>62462451
Go do it then and stop running your mouth. Oh right, you don't have any money. A common Indian problem.
>>62462477
I swear to god if you don't shut the fuck up about tree planting I'll make a meme out of you.
>>62462513
I have money now that i have your job cracker.
>>62461929
>Just like all previous ice ages / warm periods did, right?
What? 1st agricultural revolution happened once the last glacial period ended. Climate change is already causing major damage to agricultural output all over the world. Who knows what will happen in 10-20-30 years
>>62462477
Nothing else matters, maybe apart from agriculture. However the farmers can't go too far or they will fuck up their own crops, so the problem isn't too big, at least apart from retards in developing countries. No other environmental problem is severe enough for me to care.
>>62462518
Go plant trees faggot, that's the only thing you are good at since you can't help global warming any other way. Even your time on the Internet is damaging to the environment.
>>62462530
Plants managed to survive that, so why do you think they will die this time around?
Some places will become better for agriculture, some worse.
The problem is non-existent.
>>62462224
More like
>The company that makes the ball bearings for fidget spinners produces large amounts of somewhat environmentally unfriendly coolant. The bearings are also used for motor stator s and as components in MRI Machines
>>62462477
>3. Atomic physics
As I wrote, you need public opinion on your side before they let you build a new plant.
>>62462580
>Plants managed to survive that
The planet has, a lot of its lifeforms haven't. Nobody is concerned about the planet literally dying.
>>62462596
And the existing powerplants need atomic engineers to maintain, develop, and re-engineer them to be even more friendly, or to develop new technologies that are better solutions.
You think physicists are granted with magical eternal lives when they enter the field?
>>62461768
But its not a problem in the long run, as rain is a thing
The problem is CO2 increasing temps, which increases the water in the air
>>62462610
So maybe some crops will die. Maybe some niggers and poos will die. Who cares?
>>62462613
Guess how you create new scientists.
At this point I'm fully expecting you to go "I was only pretending"
Global warming is a meme.
As soon as enough of you faggots die as a result of it, the reduction in global population will also result in a reduction in global warming, because there are less faggots warming it up now.
So long as I live and you faggots die, everything will be dandy.
In Eastern Europe, you can buy a petrol/diesel car that will run for a decade, if not more, for 2000 euros. An electric moped is about the same.
>>62462613
Here there are too many of them already (there were talks of building a lot of power plants so a lot of people studied to staff them, but then the hoi polloi got mad and politicians acquiesced to them).
>>62462633
By whining about global warming on the Internet, you magically become a scientist and are given science powers by the almighty Marx.
>>62462484
Why are we the only people on earth that maintain a decent population growth? Its rare to see european/white families with more than 2 kids
>>62462640
What makes you think a brainlet like you would survive in a global catastrophe? If anything, it's you who die first because you weren't prepared to it by being concerned about it enough.
>>62462640
Go stab a battery and pull it back out to learn about a positive feedback loop. Make sure to breath in the fumes while you're at it.
>>62462651
>car
>moped
Now think about it.
>>62462656
Is there any evidence of fossil fuel co. and the coal industry funding anti-nuclear propoganda? There's no way people could be so anti-nuclear without a concerted push behind the scenes.
>>62460718
>>62460704
Here's a better pic
Isn't capitalism in essence just economic cannibalism?
I always thought that creating value implies expenditure of resources. Like, you create a sculpture and you've wasted a bunch of labor and materials, and you have a sculpture. The sculpture doesn't create any surplus value, the only value that it brings is that there is now a nice sculpture to look at. And the sculpture can never bring the labor and resources back. Sure, you can sell it, but where did the buyer get the money? It's not like the sculpture created money. Same thing with infrastructure and quality of life. It requires expenditure of resources with no return value other than that you feel nicer. You waste resources to make good things.
But capitalism implies that nothing has inherent value, just market value. So all activities are done with the intent of extracting additional monetary value out of them. But resources are finite. You can't extract value infinitely or out of thin air. So capitalism does not create wealth, it is a system of distribution of wealth. If somebody is getting richer, it means somebody else is getting poorer because wealth isn't infinite.
And we can see there are some people getting very, very rich.
>>62462692
Exactly. Me becoming rich is more likely that electric cars becoming viable.
>>62460677
Lets see. 0 emissions. No massive oil spills everywhere polluting the oceans. No need for massive fossil fuel burning trucks to transport it to the stations.
Id take a big hole in the ground over all that anyday. At least we can backfill the hole.
>>62461860
>We fuel vehicles with rape
Sounds good to me
>>62462711
Capitalism assumes infinite supply of resources, otherwise it's not going to be sustainable.
>>62461036
>Ideally
>Eventually
Yeah but what do we do until then?
>>62462687
>>62462691
Choke on tornadoes and tsunamis faggots.
I'm too high up and inland to care about your faggot asses. Kill yourselves if you want to make nature better, only I deserve to live.
>>62461017
Or use Hydrogen or synthetic hydrocarbons
>>62462711
I think it implies nothing has inherent value beyond what people will pay for it. An example would be diamonds and water. Water is not only vital for survival but probably one of the most useful substances on earth for a variety of chemical and industrial processes. Diamonds have their own industrial uses but much less so. However in most societies diamonds and jewelry are more valuable than water. The value of any good has many factors at play besides it's inherent value
>>62460773
Not true. I've heard this myth before and I have no idea where it started. If that were true, there would be no investment in the oil sands as it would be much better to pursue hydro in Canada. Anyone investing in Canadian energy had better be acutely aware of the value of hydro given the deal that Quebec has with Churchill falls. The only way what you're suggesting would ever make sense is if 1kJ derived from coal did not equal 1kJ derived from oil. Guess what? That's not the case. Use your brain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_sands#Energy_balance
>>62460783
>free public charging
who do you think is paying for this?
>>62462721
>Elon Musk has perfected lithium extraction technology to the point where the raw ore is teleported instantly instead of by truck or train
>>62462770
You'll be the first to die. Most likely because of AIDS from sucking so many dicks. The world will survive a lot longer.
>>62462875
That's all you can do worthless trash, throw words and hope they stick like the unwashed turd on your ass. That's how worthless you are.
That's why you deserve to die first to offset global warming. I'm better at you in all aspects.
>>62462837
The guy is literally making electric trucks. I'm sure large freight ships are next.
>>62462684
We're not, most white countries have below replacement rate fertility. Which wouldn't be such a big deal if we had strict migration policies.
Only the Czech Republic is a white country with a very stable population, the rest are in decline which is masked by immigration and rising non-white populations.
It is in fact much worse than than what mere gross statistics will tell you, a lot of EU countries are still 90% white, but that's only because we've got an inverse population pyramid (more old people than young) and such good healthcare that the old farts don't die.
When you look at the under 18-s the share is completely different and those are the people who are yet to have kids, the pensioners are irrelevant to the future demographics. Over 25% of UK school children are non-whites, France is worse.
IIRC in Germany about 1/6 of young people are "new Germans" and that was a transformation that took less than a decade, literally in real time, they've had Turks for decades but they never comprised such a large share of the population.
The good news if there's any in all of this is that the stem of niggers coming to Italy has been mostly cut off after they started going after (((NGOs))) which quite literally arranged meeting points with people smugglers to pick up blacks from Africa in the thousands every day.
Can you even imagine that it wasn't until that long ago that there were more whites than blacks in the world. Africa was a very sparsely populated continent below the Sahara.
People will bitch at you about how bad colonialism is and how evil whites are but a single white man named Norman Borlaug has done more for Africans than they've ever done for themselves.
Call me racist if you want, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and if you want us as a species to go to other planets and survive in the long term we've got to stop hamstringing ourselves trying to help people who can't help themselves.
>>62461770
The size that you can effectively build a turbine is limited by the materials available to you. Steel can only contain so much pressure and in the event of failure, you don't want everyone and everything in sight to get ripped apart by shrapnel. In fact, you probably want to over-engineer everything so that failures are not really possible. Anyway, almost all generation stations use multiple turbines because they're easier to engineer and upkeep. The largest turbines to my knowledge are around 500MW.
>>62462711
>>62460677
>not posting the bp oil spill in the gulf of mexico
>not posting the real sand oil mine
>>62460773
>Wanting a vehicle that has a high chance of crashing to contain the ability of creating a large amount radiation and for it to be a consumer product
Both electric cars and fossil fuels are bad options. But of all bad options electric cars are the best one. However if we're open to all transportation options. Then bicycles is the best option, next best is subways and trains.
>>62462711
this
>>62462943
>>62462973
I think both capitalism and communism are dehumanizing and expedient in nature.
They both treat humans as walking labor pinatas and the world as a collection of aimless transactions.
There needs to be an economic system that is more concerned with goals and purpose rather than methods and systems.
Less political philosophy and more philosophical policies.
Something like gnostic platonism or something.
>>62462967
>Bicycles
>Requiring large bike lanes to be safely used
>Only young and fit can use them, elderly and disabled can't
>Can't use bikes to transport large goods or large amounts of people
>Subject to inclination weather
>Limited feasible traveling distances
It's good on an individual level and good for dense urban areas but as far as nationwide infrastructure it sucks balls
>>62462993
>No need for massive fuel burning trucks to transport it
Hmmm what did he mean by this?
>>62462837
Trucks will be replaced soon with electric trucks and cargo vehicles running in Boring Company tunnels.
>>62462967
>subways and trains
I guess that's why Elon Musk is dumping tons of investment money into subway technology. Vacuum tubes and tunneling tech. Not especially viable everywhere. Much of the city I live in sits on granite bedrock, for example.
>>62462999
>Requiring large bike lanes to be safely used
Wrong
>Only young and fit can use them, elderly and disabled can't
Like 95% of the population can use them just fine
>Subject to inclination weather
If you're a weak faggot
>Limited feasible traveling distances
Plenty if you live in or near a city
>>62462999
The elderly and disabled can't use automobiles either, but they often do, and also often plow into crowds.
>>62462907
>they've had Turks for decades but they never comprised such a large share of the population.
Wait my kind is breeding slowly according to you? Just how fast are africans breeding?
>>62460677
good job retard, you just now realized that batteries contain elements that have to be extracted from the ground
>>62463012
>the 10 trucks at the mine are somehow magically equivalent to the thousands needed to transport it to the individual gas stations.
No.
>>62461768
indeed
Is it actually possible to build enough solar panels and windmills to power the world? Is it feasible? I really do hope so. Electric cars may still be powered by some nonrenewable resources but I believe that they're a step in the right direction.
>>62462999
Why don't we transport goods by having 100s of people pushing pedals in a huge land craft?
Like argonauts or something.
God knows we have enough physical labor going unused, the world is overpopulated. Instead of going on a road trip, go on a coal hauling bike trip. Your legs will be swole.
Why don't greenfags use mules and horses instead of vehicles if they want to help with global warming? At least the components making and powering these animals don't pollute the environment unlike electric cars.
>>62462903
You're on thin ice by claiming to be better than me. I am relatively tall, blonde with blue eyes with no genetic disorders and I am employed. I also have friends and a girlfriend and I don't come from a broken family. I live in a country with no recent history of any natural disasters and it's not between two tectonic plates. I still care about other countries even when I'm not the first one in trouble, because I have a functioning brain. It's possible that you are still better than all this but I assume it's just autistic screeching. In that case the more valuable person to humanity is me by everyone else's point of view except yours, and you are worthless so it doesn't count. Now let's hear it.
>>62462995
Economies were a mistake.
We should have stopped at agrarian pre capitalism.
>>62463077
They refuse to get their hands dirty.
>>62462484
>western people ruin the environment, pollute the ecosystem and create a global economy that contributes to overpopulation in third world countries due to need of cheap labor
>let's blame the third worlders and nuke africa to stop overpopulation
Rly made me think.
Why don't we just genocide the whites instead, hmm? Pull from the root.
>>62463017
>Soon
>With the massive cost of digging tunnels
Maybe if Musk invents some new tunnel borers instead of fucking off to space. Otherwise it's not gonna be any time soon
>>62463060
>No need for massive fuel burning trucks to transport it
>Is shown a massive fuel burning trucks to transport lithium ore
>>62463134
>western people ruin the environment
>>62463086
>i'll make this blogpost about how I achieved what even an average negroid in Sub-Saharan Africa does
Also your gay blonde and blue eyes are in fact a genetic disorder and your people are broken by design, and also by black cocks.
>>62463086
>i have a job, friends, family, no genetic disorders
So in other words you are an Albino Indian. Because everything you mentioned applies to 90% of India too street shitter.
>>62463177
Yes but not near as many. Gas stations require an endless stream of trucks to keep them supplied. After a battery is installed it only needs to be recharged.
>>62463191
Yeah, as if all the industry in china and india wasn't built by western countries to make labor cheaper.
You think the chinese factory child workers are the ones buying metric tons of useless plastic crap?
Globalization is just neo-colonialism.
>>62463044
There's under 3 million Turks and now probably just as many arabs/niggers in only 5 years, that's unprecedented. In Turkey itself things are a microcosm of global trends and a case study in why Islam and democracy are incompatible.
The secularised ethnically greek and slav western part the population is below replacement, the further east you go the more kids they've got, and they'll vote themselves a new Ottoman empire and a new Sultan.
>>62463134
Yes lets all revert back to our way of life before the industrial revolution, such a great idea.
>>62463035
How is the need for bike lanes wrong? You either need to give them their own lanes or they slow down cars or crash into fucking pedestrians
>Works fine if you live in a city
Good thing I already clarified that it works in cities but not as a part of national infrastructure
>>62463039
Obviously if they plow into people they can operate a car though they should probably just be given free buss passes.
>>62463074
Literally because the industrial revolution means it's more economical to have them assemble widgetsi a factory or take your order at a restaurant. In Roman times everything was human powered
>>62461131
I wonder what else doesn't work without subsidies.
Oh yeah green energy companies kek.
>>62460677
>Dems keep pushing electric cars
>Soon prices will drop to the point of long term being cheaper than gasoline
>Capitalist, libertarian me gets to say even more money.
>>62463242
I was under the impression that Turks in Germany were fast breeders. 40 years of Turks breeding got beat by Africans in 5 years? The fuck.
Fix your immigration Germany that's not healthy
>>62463218
>What are power transmission losses?
>Making batteries produces no pollution
>>62463191
post more data graphs like these they're fucking amazing
>>62462580
>Plants managed to survive that, so why do you think they will die this time around?
The plants we grow now are nothing like the plants that grew back then. The climate changing could kill the bulk of agricultural output, which will create an endless stream of economic migrants. We all know how that will end
>>62463277
They already are though.
>>62460677
http://www.snopes.com/lithium-mine-oil-sands/
b8
>>62463191
>literally has a chinkshit dedicated general on /g/, and all the tech (and most other consumer shit) he buys is China made
>>62460677
anyway, electrical power is cheaper than gas powered engines, so its the future, that in the future we will drive electrical power cars, but not because its better for environment, but because it will be like 5x times cheaper to drive electrically powered car. The only problem remaining for electrically powered cars is extremely slow refill. If you could recharge your car batteries in 5minutes there would literally be no point in being gas powered car anymore.
>>62461577
Hydrogen is a shit fuel. Hydrogen is made up of one of the smallest molecules around and will leak out of pretty much any container imaginable.
Enjoy having an empty fuel tank after leaving your car on the driveway for a few days.
>>62463277
>Long term cheaper
Only if you actually hold onto the car long enough. Most burgers upgrade their car every 2-3 years
>>62463242
You mean back to life before world wars. Central banks. Wage slavery. Massive poverty. Massive wealth disparity. Para-military police. Massive spy grids and cameras everywhere?
Sign me the fuck up.
>>62463293
>economic migrants
Well, here we don't let them in unless they can contribute by doing a real white-collar job (not a pen pushing bullshit), so whatever.
>could kill the bulk of agricultural output
>could
Also, new zones where agriculture wasn't possible will appear in the place of the old ones, so it's just a question of moving it.
>>62463195
>>62463216
>this much damage control instead of actually comparing
Loser.
>>62461642
Your government is going to evict you from your land and give it to either themselves or a very wealthy person.
Alternatively some rich dude with private soldiers is going to come, kill you, take your land, and build a compound on top of it.
>>62463332
This. Leave it to leftists to outmeme themselves.
>>62463397
>damage control
>over a faggot who prides himself in achieving the same that poor Africans and Indians do
Good God, i know blonde people are stupid and this example confirms it. It's no wonder their women prefer foreign cock.
>>62463283
Irrelevant. Opinion discarded.
>>62463376
>Well, here we don't let them in unless they can contribute by doing a real white-collar job (not a pen pushing bullshit), so whatever.
Creating the bulk of world's problems and letting everyone else taking the hit is why everyone hates the US these days. Oh, and nation states as we know them will cease to exist
>new zones where agriculture wasn't possible will appear in the place of the old ones, so it's just a question of moving it
How do you intend to grow enough grains for everyone if the climate isn't suitable for growing grains any more?
>>62463444
Not US
>>62463444
>if the climate isn't suitable for growing grains
This will never happen. The zones will move, maybe the overall size will shrink or grow, but nothing as dramatic as all plants dying.
>>62460677
>implying the regular people interested electric cars really care about the environment and don't just want to cut their transportation costs.
>>62463307
>>62463346
Really? I remember reading that year or two ago that it took around average 12 years to finally have the car and all it costs to be cheaper than regular car's cost.
>>62463444
For the vast majority of humans, all that matters is that you produce enough slop to keep a working population of a specific size.
Old age and other aspects are luxury items that would be reserved for the deserving, such as the highest contributors, the wealthy.
>>62463444
>Oh, and nation states as we know them will cease to exist
A nation state is a state unified by a common language, long history of a preserved discerning culture (a sum of discerning norms and traditions and discerning artistic representation unique to that collective of people), and a national identity born out of the aforementioned.
The least you have to do to destroy nation states is also destroy all languages in the world except one, including the banning of the teaching of those languages and burning of any historical or documented print of those languages.
You have to be extremely retarded to think that this would happen, let alone nations erasing their history and art for your globalist circlejerk, you fucking idiot.
>>62463436
>still no comparison because it wouldn't look good
Your bluff has been called.
>>62463487
>The zones will move, maybe the overall size will shrink or grow, but nothing as dramatic as all plants dying
No one is worried that all life will perish, but such shifts (which are not gradual at all) will cause economic and social earthquakes which will change the society as we know it (nation states will cease to exist either willingly or by force aka through war)
>>62463521
>Old age and other aspects are luxury items that would be reserved for the deserving, such as the highest contributors, the wealthy.
Yes, because humans have not purged the upper classes and toppled regimes/ideologies numerous times to this day
>>62463559
>You have to be extremely retarded to think that this would happen, let alone nations erasing their history and art for your globalist circlejerk, you fucking idiot.
I don't see European nations being able to fight off migration. That /pol/tard way of thinking will be the end of us
>>62463883
>(nation states will cease to exist either willingly or by force aka through war)
Walk me through that if you would.
>>62460688
Burn the coal, pay the toll!!!!
>>62463883
>I don't see European nations being able to fight off migration.
Eastern Europeans ones have gone through both Communism and Nazism trying to fuck them up, so they are impervious to this western cuckoldry by effect of having already experienced it and burned it in the past.
But as far as migrants go, i wouldn't fear for Europe for one reason and one reason only:
- The elements of nationalism are a stable system that seeks order and always has unity, connected with fleshed out objectives and goals.
- The element of multiculturalism is an unstable system of unified tribes with conflicting cultures which may be a force to be reckoned with when those various tribes unite, but ultimately ends up destroying itself when any tribe achieves dominance upon the others in numbers of power because then those contradicting traits start hitting off.
The 78% rise in homophobia in UK as a result of the influx of Islamic cultures and such who don't come there to adopt "civilized thinking" but to get MONEYS, is an example.
Stability wins over instability through time.
History is filled with these examples, and history always repeats itself.
>>62460767
Flamingos are faggot birds.
>>62463910
>climate change turns a certain part of the world uninhabitable (projections say humans won't be able to live in the Middle East in a few decades)
>hundred(s of) million(s) migrants head to Europe because it's still habitable
>European nation states inevitably crash because they're not able to sustain that kind of a population (our national health care systems are already on the verge of collapsing, we can't pay out pensions, etc)
>>62463981
>so they are impervious to this western cuckoldry by effect of having already experienced it and burned it in the past
Eastern European nations are Americanised as fuck and demographically devastated. I should know because I grew up in one
>Stability wins over instability through time
You can't count on "nationalism" if the population is being slowly replaced by foreigners and the culture progressively globalised. My country, Sweden, is an example of that. Germany is even worse than us
>>62464105
As I thought, bullshit.
Some countries will fall, but some will be able to stem the tide.
>>62464105
>Eastern European nations are Americanised as fuck and demographically devastated. I should know because I grew up in one
I live in one and I know perfectly well that the demographic fuckup is a result of Communism fucking up our family values, our work ethics, while inducing poverty, which ended up in pushing us from one extreme into another (materialism without a basis).
In countries with high birth rates, ideas that you should have children after establishing wealth don't exist. You instead have children regardless of wealth, and those children are motivation to produce more wealth to sustain and advance them (you are basically forced into a sacrifice for self-improvement). Family is therefore a realistic motivation, as opposed to materialistic procrastination.
The extreme pull towards selfish materialism before values as a result of experienced poverty and forced labor in addition to the above, makes for fucked up birth rates.
But it will fix itself over time. It's not the first time in history that Slavs have been dying by the millions and still surviving, and it probably won't be the last either.
>You can't count on "nationalism" if the population is being slowly replaced by foreigners and the culture progressively globalised.
The thing is that the phenomena you just mentioned never manifest beyond a certain limit. In the start, the foreigners and cultures are mixed and divided without any visibly dominating force among them emerging. They need to behave because they are too small.
When the percentage of the aforementioned phenomena reach a certain boiling point where those foreigners and cultures start destroying each other and their supporters from the host culture (because one has risen above the others), that's also the point where the nationalism boils over and order starts being sought. Order is the main trait of nationalism. The need for it is the catalyst, the fuel, and the switch.
>>62464105
Sweden is NE, but leaving alone the geographical location, when it comes to social or economic aspects can't be called EE
t. real EE cuck
>>62464341
>*even leaving
>*it can't be
>>62464105
Thank god all of those terrorists and uncivilized shitholes will be destroyed
>>62464322
>But it will fix itself over time. It's not the first time in history that Slavs have been dying by the millions and still surviving, and it probably won't be the last either.
But Slavs live in a globalised world, where you're either the hammer or the nail. These are new circumstances we're facing and you can't expect nation X that is both dying out and bleeding young people (everyone wants to live in the West, face it) to recover
>that's also the point where the nationalism boils over and order starts being sought. Order is the main trait of nationalism. The need for it is the catalyst, the fuel, and the switch
Interesting, because we can observe the opposite happening. I mean, the "nationalists" got "cucked" in Europe's leading country (Germany). But this has nothing to do with climate change - we'll see the impacts of it when the Africans, South-East Asians, etc start swarming Europe (if the Chinks don't enslave them first)
>>62464341
I said I grew up in one, not that I live in it. Sweden is Scandi
>>62464461
>But Slavs live in a globalised world
Far from it. The world isn't globalised at all.
The Western nations are crumbling, the only purveyors of globalism.
The Indians, Chinese, and Pakis are at each other's throats with Sikhs and Buddhists in the middle.
The Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are also at each others throats, while they see South East Asians as inferior monkeys.
Africa is in a complete divide between north Arab/Semitic/Berber Africa and negroid Africa, with negroid Africa also in shambles.
Europe is divided between Eastern Europe now giving a middle finger to EU, and EU crumbling under itself.
Jews and Muslims want to kill each other, while Muslims have Shiite/Sunni divide, and all 3 groups refer to blacks as slaves to this day as well.
South America is also two languages, but also segregation in some nations that rivals early 20th century USA in treating blacks and others.
Meanwhile China and East Asia only have increasingly horrid things to say about blacks the more economically involved they are in Africa.
I'm afraid the globalist world you speak of is only contained within your mind.
>>62460677
Electrical engines and thorium-based electricity - that's the futur>>62460688
>>62462995
A frogposter should be dumber.
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