Okay /g/, I'm looking for a tablet for: 1.) Reading academic

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>>62454035
>I wanna do math and sheit
Just sayin....

>>62454035
>>62454173
PS
Between tablets I would say surface pro vs iPad Pro, I don't really see any other tablets being remotely competitive. I've NEVER heard anything good about Lenovo Yogas or shit

>>62454035
It's up to you. With surface you have the ability to use actual executable applications that most of the market uses.

With ipad you get the most enjoyable experience possible with a much lighter and aesthetically superior OS.


Either seems a promising investment in the long run.

>>62454236
>fair analysis of both without fanboying or sperging out
This is /g/ right?

>>62454035
Honestly for what you're doing with it, I don't think the difference between Apple Pencil and Surface pen will make a significant difference in your experience. The pencil honestly looks better performance wise but its features feel aimed at art students and architects or some shit, not academic mathematicians and software engineers. Just check out some jewtoob videos

>>62454251
oh ..i forgot!

Hey OP! Get a Pocket and install void to maximize productivity!

>>62454295
GENTOO THINKPAD OR BUST FAGGOT

OP Here

I should mention I want to give presentations with it, I've seen the Surface used for this with ease (it has a VGA port right) but you cannot do this with an iPad, can you?

I haven't owned an Apple product for several years now -- can you easily manage your files in it yet? I use Dropbox if it matters.

>>62454313
>in need of portable compootor
>le thinkpad brick with cheezeit stuck in the keyboard bought at yardsale while still compiling

>>62454333
>battery survived while compiling on the yard sale table
Dude how can you say no?

>>62454332
If you seek compatibility you'd most definitely go with microcuck products, unfortunately that's true

ms shills everywhere

>>62454332
I don't know about VGA and other output options on the iPad but it CAN hook up to a projector yes.
And iOS 11 is going to come with a native file manager with plugins for all your clouds when it drops on the 19th

>>62454332
https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/MD825AM/A/lightning-to-vga-adapter
Yes. iPad Pro can into VGA

>>62454352
No shilling, just try and make a presentation on a free apple suite only to find out the formatting and the whole look looks messed up on anything except other Macs

Also
>muh proprietary dongles


I agree Apple products are indeed superior in enjoyability, but op actually needs something to communicate ideas with to other people in a semi-working environment. He can't look like a dufus when it's his turn to do a simple presentation. Enjoyability needs to be sacrificed for work and compatibility, like it or not.

>>62454035
>pdfs
you can do that on your phone tbqhwy familia

>writing formulae
ipad pro with the apple pencil, not even a shill

>>62454399

phone is way too small to read a .pdf honestly

>>62454332
You can output to a display with iPad;

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202044

You will however need an adapter to do the whole Lightning < - > VGA/HDMI.

>>62454383

This is $70

That's unreasonable

OP has indeed the choice of either doing work on an enjoyable piece of hardware and software and find a way to export it later on so it fits everyone's standards (maybe using MS products or universally compatible suites) or just buy a piece of shit, in my honest opinion, that works nonetheless due to its well spread OS.

>>62454425
Welcum to Applebee's

>>62454425
>>62454389
>implying the Micro$oft surface DOESN'T also use pricey external adapters for connecting to VGA/HDMI
Lol
>$70 is too unreasona-
https://www.amazon.com/Apple-Lightning-to-VGA-Adapter/dp/B009WQOS1U
Oh fug

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>>62454484
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=lightning+to+vga
>more adapters at lower price

Get a Thinkpad x200t

>>62454577
Took you long enough to get here

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All the tablets I find come with a keyboard. I don't want to pay for a fucking keyboard, I have a computer already. I just want to do math and shit on my tablet. Is there any cheap tablet like this? I mean bare minimum cheap.

>>62454645
Abacus.

>>62454680
Fucking got me, I looked it up.

>>62454035
If youre really wanting to do just that, the iPad Pro is the best option. If you wanna run windows apps, I’d probably recommend something like a Spectre X2

i recommend you stop reading academic pdfs and writing / doing math.

>>62454035
2017 iPad if your budget is under $500. if sky's the limit then get the 2017 iPad Pro

>>62454035
I own one of those new iPad Pro's with pencil so if you got any questions just ask.

>>62454781
Does the pen vibrate? How does it feel?

>>62454332
>it has a VGA port right
Surface pro has a mini-HDMI port on it.

OP I'm an engineering student that uses a surface pro. One note works great for taking notes and doing math work by hand. Also most university software is geared towards windows first and mac second in my experience.

>>62454796
this.

thank you.

>>62454035
Sticky
>/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.

>>62454792
It does not vibrate.

It feels... slippery? Extremely over the top smooth so you really kind of need some sort of sleeve on it for a more comfortable grip. You can grip it of course but it has zero texture so it feels kind of weird and awkward to hold. Like holding a glass pointer or something.

>>62454835
Do you prefer having it with a tight grip or just slippery in your hand?

>>62454035
Hey /g/ should I trade my Surface Pro 3 for a late 2015 iMac? I dont really use my SP3 and I feel like I can get a cheap iPad for notes. Should I pull the trigger?

>>62454883
Tight grip is better when writing and doing detailed drawing.
Holding it loosely is great for sketching cause it lets you do really smooth strokes due to slipping around.

>>62454933
Does it actually behave differently the smoother the strokes get?

>>62454893
if someone is offering that trade to you 1:1 then absolutely do it. the iMac is worth a shitton more. SP3 go for sub $250 on the second hand market and are basically worth little more than 2nd or 3rd gen intel i5/i7 laptops.

>>62454958
It behaves differently depending on angle and pen pressure, which lets you do a lot of great things (with sketching at least), but the problem is that the app used needs to support it, which not all of them does (yet anyways).

>>62455035
So it needs external aids to be supported and function properly? That must be harsh on its owner's ego.

DON'T buy a surface until Microsoft get's their fucking intel integrated graphic's drivers fixed. This shit is slow as a dog when you are using UWP apps because Microsoft rather have shiny new things rather than optimization and things that actually work.

>>62455047
Function, no. Properly, yes.

The pen works fine in and outside of any app. OS, Browser, Youtube, Games, you name it. I love using it with RDP since it makes precise clicks so much easier on small UI elements.
Using it also activates "palmcheck" or whatever apple calls it so you can rest your hand on the screen while firing off angry birds or whatever people do, without the tablet getting confused about where it thinks you want to touch.

But if you want it to use pressure and tilt then yeah, the app needs to specifically implement support for it.

>>62455126
What if the user repeatedly raises and then rests their hand on the screen, or what if they do that and apply slight pressure with every rest, like small naughty slaps. Does the Ipad ever get confused keeping track of the user's gestures?

>>62454035
Pen + paper

>>62455155
no dipshit. it's multi-touch. it's capable of tracking multiple inputs to extreme degrees of precision. they've had more than 10 years to perfect this and it's been extremely accurate since day one basically.

>>62455175
>it's multi touch

Does it accept more than one user joining in with their slippery or tight fitting pen?

>>62454035
the Dell 2-in-1s were actually okay.

You just bend the keyboard all the way around to turn it into a tablet, otherwise it can be used like a regular laptop.

>>62454035
I'm surprised by how reasonable this thread is. But if you ask me, I would take the iPad. iOS 11 comes with nice improvements and a file manager. Once you learn to use it it's very intuitive and smooth. Windows is not stable enough and Surface hardware has not proven to be reliable.

The Surface gives you the benefit of having a laptop and a tablet in one. You can run x86 programs and install whatever OS you want on it.

The iPad doesn't pretend to be a laptop, it just improves on an ordinary tablet. The OS is more stable and secure but less functional, though iOS 11 improves that quite a bit (split screen, file manager, dock, etc.)

Either way you get absolutely scammed on accessories, so that shouldn't affect your decision.

>>62455186
right now only one pencil can be paired but technically there's no reason why more than one wouldn't work. it's really just a mess to implement (i.e. drawing software requiring multiple palettes so each pencil can select stroke and color etc)

>>62455155
Tested just now and from what I can tell, it completely ignores touches coming from anything that it thinks is a "palm" or side of your hand.
So basically;

Side of hand: No
Edge of hand: No
Pinky finger knuckle: Yes
Finger while side of hand is resting on the screen: Yes

Additionally, at least in the notes app the pen seems to "undo" the current stroke if it detects the pen being placed on the screen, which means that if you draw a line with your finger (or knuckle or anything else) and don't lift it off the screen, then press the pen to the screen, the current line will be deleted and it will start a new input wherever you pressed the pen down.

>>62455242
that definitely needs a service to keep track of and organise all the different slippery pens for max productivity and satisfaction. Exactly like a movie director.

>>62455186
I don't know about multiple pens since I only have one, but I don't think it's possible to do multi input finger drawing since most drawing apps associates two inputs with zoom or manipulate canvas.

It does however support doing touch inputs WHILE the tablet is tracking pencil input, so you can be drawing with one hand using the pencil, and using the finger on the other hand to select a color, or pencil width, which depending on app will either change the pencil immediately, or after you lift and place it down on the screen.

So to re-evaluate having an Ipad. Paying thousands of dollars for it makes it every Apple fan's whore, with whom they cannot officially do porn and they can only enjoy her by touching her while she barely feels anything and by fiddling their barely supported and just functioning dick all over her, it being slippery or tight gripping.


Case closed. Buy the Surface one.

>>62455347
the surface is a piece of shit and will have zero value and zero bug fixes and support from microsoft one year after purchase. just like the SP3

>>62455415
> Bug fixes

windows 10 is botnet enough to report any issue before the user even sees it to Microsoft and they fix it for ALL computers running windows 10

As for your potty mouth, I saw you opened another thread trying to hack your School through cmd being adminblocked . This is an adult website.

>>62455460
Pajeet, my son. Poo in the loo, not in the vindaloo.

>>62454035
>1.) Reading academic .pdfs
Anything can do this, along with epub. The difficult part is the more obscure formats, e.g. djvu, mobi/prc, chm, azw, ps.

On Windows, OS X, and Linux, Calibre supports them all. For iOS, you'll need several different readers to cover corner cases (the most popular formats like epub and pdf are easily covered though). It's still possible though.

2.) Writing / doing math in
This is vague, can you clarify?

If you mean taking notes and converting them with handwriting-recognition, there are a few apps for this (e.g. MyScript Nebo, which works for both iOS and Windows 10), although results may be mixed. If you mean typesetting scientific/mathematical documents (like an academic paper), then the only real way is LaTeX. And for that, you're going to NEED a full-blown OS like Windows, OS X, or Linux.

There are some niche iOS apps that can do LaTeX editing locally, like TeX writer and TeXpad. But they're typically riddled with one-off issues that make them unusable. E.g. your colleagues in your research group use a particular set of templates and packages that reference old/outdated/modified packages and the app's package management system is shitty, so you need to manually add the older/modified versions in and fix references, which is painful. You'd be better off using web-based LaTeX editors, like Overleaf or ShareLaTeX, which at least have the benefit of real-time collaboration. I would recommend those two sites for any small projects you have, e.g. a lab report.

That's also not the real reason you NEED a desktop OS. The reason is because people often use scripts to compile their TeX environments because of how ridiculously complicated they become and because TeX is an absolute clusterfuck of a language, and it's a complete waste of time to try porting their scripts. We're not even getting into diagramming tools, which is it's own nightmare (some day you may learn the horrors of PGF/TikZ).