/hpg/ Headphone General

I'm stuck in juror assembly and didnt bring headphones with me.

>>62432507
start singing songs you know off-key and as loudly as possible until you are asked to leave.

Slightly rewording what I posted last thread.

>Budget
£300-400.
>Location
United Kingdom.
>Source
Phone, strongly prefer wireless.
>Type of headphone
Over-ear.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
Comfortable, but ready to sacrifice for better sound quality.
>Sound signature
Neutral, but warm/bassy would be ok too.

Currently, I'm considering between either the Sennheiser Momentum Over-Ear Wireless or the Bower & Wilkins P7.
Which should I get between the two? Feel free to share some suggestions too if my choices are crap.

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https://canpicker.com/

Taking more detailed comments on headphones. Drop some comments if you've owned any of these. The suggestions and notes from the /g/ wiki have been merged in.

>>62432641
Calling something a meme headphone makes your website a bit of a joke.

>>62432641
In all honesty, I would avoid writing paragraphs concerning sound and maybe stick to a few select words or phrases that reflect sound signature such as
>warm
>dark
>bright
>neutral
>v-shaped
>mid-centric
>bassy
>imaging (either good or bad)
>Soundstage (narrow or wide)

this way people can just glance over a particular headphone and get a quick summary without feeling like they're being shilled to.

>>62432622
>Sennheiser Momentum Over-Ear Wireless or the Bower & Wilkins P7.
First one is shit, second is not comfortable at all.

Got the X2s. Breddy good.

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WTF I LOVE SENNHEISER NOW?

>>62432911
Did they ever fix their QA problems?
I tried them a year or so ago and thought they were horrible, but it might have been related to the manufacturing problems.

>>62432911
>nigger bass

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What kind of headphones are pic related and are they good?

>>62433104
AKG K701 never heard em

>>62433104
Looks like akg701/702 or akg712s.


Yeah they're pretty good.

>>62432872
Good to know. Could I have a suggestion then?

>>62432445
Can someone tell me their thoughts on fidelio x2s? I've got some shitty headphones atm and trying to upgrade. I was first looking at Beyer but people said they are bright and I can't really handle that. Are x2s decent? Is there something better for less buckaroos?

>>62433104
K701/702
They're good. A bit dry and a little lacking in bass, but I like them.

>>62433104
>are they good?
You could do better than those. K702 is basically the same, but has a detach cable. And there are way better options than the k701/02 at its price

>>62433167
>Could I have a suggestion then?
Don't buy wireless headphones

>>62432641
>with bass rolloff
Extremely misleading. It's sub-bass rolloff, and it's a feature of every open dynamic.

>>62432956
Not sure. Mine are pretty good. They are bassy but are more of a complement to other analytical headphones I own.

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>>62432445
What's a better v shaped headphone: Fidelio X2 or THX00?

Want a fun pair to complement my 600s, I'm open to other recs

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>>62433390
Use EQ and spend that money on something EQ can't do for free. To do anything else would be illogical.

>>62433405
>try and add bass to something that has 0 bass

sure anon, sure

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>>62433390
Hey, you're the umifag? I have 600s too and bought the X2s because I found them dirt cheap. Good and they don't need an amp. A lot of midbass, gentle V shape - they're not aggressive at all. In comfyness levels: a bit heavy on the head, not light like the senns so I wouldn't reccomend for extended periods of use unless you use them laying down. I can't give my opinion on the X00s.

>>62433390
X00 for sure, they have a real nice looking FR. X2s are a roller-coaster in the treble and have worse distortion.

>>62433141
>>62433153
>>62433204
thanks

>>62433231
>way better options
any recommendations?

>>62433390
Probably X00s, even though I haven't tried them.
When I tried X2s the bass was nice, but the soundstage was small and sounded like it was 30 feet away.

>>62433465
K7XX on massdrop or
K712 - Which are very similar but with a bit of bass.
You might want to try them first if you have the chance, because not everyone likes the AKG sound signature.

>>62433432
>doesn't know how EQ works
Your inaccurate shitposting aside, EQ doesn't boost any frequencies when properly applied. It only lowers frequencies. All you need to do to make an HD600 V-shaped is lower the midrange response.

>>62433465
>any recommendations?
I would say the HD600, k712, he400i, and adXXX are all more enjoyable to use. DT880 has the same dry analytical sound, but has way better build

K701 has a non detach cable and is now 100% china made plastic

>>62433541
DT880 is very different from the K701, they're both bright but the 880 is bright in the upper treble and recessed in the upper mids while the K701 is bright in the upper mids and lower treble.

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What are good lightweight open back headphones?
I have the AKG Q701 and am looking to upgrade, but everything else on the market seems to be significantly heavier.

Is 235 grams exceptionally light, or are good sounding headphones just heavy?

>>62433589
MDR-MA900 if you can find one at a reasonable price. https://www.tamayatech.com/ seems to still have them for $208 USD.

>>62433589
>What are good lightweight open back headphones?
if low weight/comfort matter more than sound to you: sony ma900

>>62432610
they didn't need my panel, so I drove home. I was trying to listen to jazz in my car but the bass made me want to puke, I need some subs

>buy speakers
>constantly buzz when plugged into my desktop
>even moving my mouse creates creates an additional lower pitched buzz
I should've fallen for the external DAC meme desu.

>>62433635
>>62433589
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sony-ma900-hifiman-edition-s-isine-10-for-sale.860021/

this dude is selling his ma900. I can confirm that ma900s are the shit. better off buying there than trying tamayatech

>>62433640
>if low weight/comfort matter more than sound to you
They sound pretty damn great too. A teeny bit dark/warm, similar to an HD650. Unfatiguing. Would be a nice tonal complement to a bright Q701.

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>>62433678
Tamayatech seems low risk since they take Paypal.

>>62433668
Try disabling CPU thermal throttling, C1E, S1/S3, etc. in bios

>>62433693
$50 more vs possibly waiting a month or two and end up dealing with a claim.

oh dude, i braided my cable on the ma900, it's so much better

>>62433668
buy this and tell if it works so I can also buy it.

https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Analog-Converter-Optical-Toslink/dp/B005K2TXMO

just add $6 optical cable

>>62433712
didn't notice that it comes it with one wowzers

>>62433711
Neat. It is a really long cable. I just let my excess cable rest between the PC and the wall. If they ever stop working I'll detachable cable mod them.

>>62433806
best anime headphones. I may end up getting an hd800 as well

>>62433693
>Tamayatech seems low risk since they take Paypal.
It's also on amazon for $270. Another anon said he would get the ma900s on tamtech a few threads ago, so they may not even have them in stock anymore. I would call first

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>>62433635
>>62433640
Thanks, these look good. Do you have any other recs for a second and third choice too?
Getting my hands on these seems like a hassle in itself.

>>62433693
>https://www.tamayatech.com/
This site looks sketch. I've only ever bought from Amazon or in person, can you tell me more about other online vendors?

>>62432445
Is the Sony MDR ZX770BN good for a cheap bluetooth headphone?

>>62433906
>This site looks sketch
see >>62433678
just register an account on headfi and pm the seller, you won't be able to post on the thread because you'll be new. or you can wait, I got mine for $150 a few weeks ago
>Do you have any other recs for a second and third choice too
not the anon you are responding to but eq'd and modded HD800

>>62433906
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-Sony-MDR-Ma900-Excellent-Condition-/253128378285?epid=115375172&hash=item3aefa087ad:g:yjYAAOSwgjFZqVlc

I found that, too. And there is a used pair on Amazon for $270

If you want another lightweight pair of open backs: the ADXXX series. Good if you don't mind the wing flaps

>>62433961
make an offer for $150 and I bet he'll sell it to you

you could offer $250 for this one new and the seller *might* accept: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Japan-Open-Air-Stereo-Headphones-Head-Phones-MDR-MA900-Sound-Music-/172861865292?epid=114798383&hash=item283f5ebd4c:g:i~oAAOSwJblXAEpZ

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>>62433961
>>62433979
So tempting

>>62434032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Ntgc_79XQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NI7sDSpn8

>>62432641
Nice job so far, Anon, cheers.

Any other headphones that have the opening slit thing like the MA900?

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HD 579 vs HD 599?
which one is better?

>>62434191
only akg k1000

>>62434191
oh theres the other sony that came before it, i forget the model

>>62434211
>literally earspeakers
wew

>>62434236
Any clues to find the name?

>>62434286
sony mdr-f1, there's also the MDR-SA5000

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Oh fuck, new IF compensation curve. It makes the 600 look a lot more neutral.

https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/new-compensation-curve-innerfidelity-measurements

>>62434195
HD579

>>62434304
Damn, why are all of these all discontinued?
Do they sound like shit or do they break or something?

>>62434313
the bass rolloff on the hd600 always cracks me up

>>62434368
sony is known for making incredibly stupid decisions

>>62434313
Poorly-sealed measurement. Nice to see an improvement in IF's curve, though.

>>62434420
The blue channel is correctly sealed, which shows 35hz at the same level 1Khz, and the dip in the upper mids not as pronounced.

>>62432507
Just ask about jury nulification and they'll kick you out

>>62434420
>Poorly-sealed measurement.
the headphones are designed to not have a strong seal: they use velour. to get a proper seal you want pleather or leather and it will make it sound completely different (not neutral). the measurement isn't wrong

>>62434458
Blue channel is still slightly poorly sealed.

>>62434477
Semantics. Whatever you want to call it, seal, whatever, there is sound leaking from between the earpads and the dummy head and this is resulting in an inaccurate bass measurement.

>>62434485
I don't think so, unless you're meaning to suggest the HD600 is a niggerbass headphone.

>>62434505
no, it's accurate because that's how sennheiser designed them. why do you think they went with velour instead of leather?

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>>62434485
This.

>>62434548
That makes no sense, why does it matter if it shows more bass when properly sealed if it doesn't always seal well? Seal problems can affect what people hear are much as it can affect dmmy heads.

>>62434621
because it doesn't make sense and the circlejerk surrounding the hd600 means no one will accept many of the obvious and inherent flaws of the headphone (poor build quality, bass and treble roll-off, high distortion).

Should I get a SHP9500s for $85? Im not from the us btw.

>adjusting my headphones to be higher on my head made the volume louder and clearer
what is this sorcery? it does feel alot tighter now so idk if i can get use to it.

>>62434689
I know, right?! I mean, we used to have the same talk here about the K550 a few years ago and everyone seemed to be fine with it, it doesn't always seal well, check that before buying so you can get proper bass.
With HD600 however is "it doesn't seal well, and that proves the bass is there when it does".

i don't even dislike the HD600, but shills could at least try to make sense.

>>62434621
>Seal problems
the reality is that giving a proper seal on the hd600/650 would make the sennheiser veil even worse

What equalization settings do you guys use for your Etymotic HF5 on Poweramp?
I'm using:
32 Hz: +7 dB
64 Hz: +3.5 dB
128 Hz: +0.7 dB
4 kHz: +2.1 dB
8 kHz: +2.1 dB

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>>62434878
How can you make something that doesn't exist worse?

>>62434955
>32 Hz: +7 dB
>64 Hz: +3.5 dB
t.Cardarion
Loli-flat bass is Etymotics' greatest strength.

>>62434975
it's relative, as in you won't notice it if you've heard other headphones that are better than the hd600, because you're new, but once you go back to the hd600 you realize it suffers from it

>>62435007
>he confuses extra cost and excessive treble for detail

>>62435028
>confuses a budget enthusiast with someone who actually has an experience opinion

>>62434988
It still lacks a bit in the sub-bass. You can't hear some details in the bass without those settings.
What about the treble boost?

>>62435028
>headphones that are better than the hd600
>no mention to price or "detail"
Seems like you are the one fixating on those things.

>>62435028
>he confuses rolled off treble and lack of detail for accurate treble

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>>62435068
>It still lacks a bit in the sub-bass.
Not really. It's -1 dB at 30 Hz and -2 dB at 20 Hz, and this isn't audibly different from perfectly flat/accurate.

>>62435096
You can test it yourself that this is not the case with bass heavy music. Detail is actually the lost, so the graph is misleading.

>>62435114
remember: if it doesn't show up on the FR graph then you are lying, there's no possible way for variables to exist outside of a FR graph that may change the way something sounds

>>62435114
There are two explanations for your subjective experience:
- You didn't insert them deeply enough;
- Your name is Zebulee

>>62435114
>Detail is actually the lost

>>62435130
>>62435130
Maybe a psycho-acoustic model that shows that sub-bass is heard quieter than other frequencies at the same pressure?
Even then,

>>62435132
>You didn't insert them deeply enough
I get a perfect seal with incredible isolation. It's not the case.
>Your name is Zebulee
I don't like bass heavy music, but if you can't hear the sub bass then it's the earphone needs to be adjusted with some equalization settings.

Do you guys even listen to music with bass? Even in genres like Jazz the bass will sound very quiet, and that's not normal.

>>62435132
>Your name is Zebulee
would you consider something a nigger for being a bassist, or being able to listen to bass guitars/double bass/drum kicks?

>>62435210
>bass guitars/double bass/drum kicks
These are objectively exactly as loud as they should be with Etymotics.

>>62435223
I didn't ask that question. You seem to be the dude that thinks people are niggers for liking bass. Would you consider someone a nigger if they were a bassist and wanted to hear the bass better because that's the instrument they play and care about? Do you consider bass players to have shit taste in musical instruments?

>>62435223
>as loud as they should
>because of reasons
>source: my ass

It's called the circle of confusion, your "neutral" gear is not the same "neutral" as the studio's, you are not hearing the exact same as the musicians/engineers, deal with it.

>>62435242
>a bassist and wanted to hear the bass better
Bass player here, it's one of the reasons i like my DT880, really love how the bass sound on it, drums sound very pleasing too imho.

>>62435256
>It's called the circle of confusion
>>62435223
https://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009/10/audios-circle-of-confusion.html

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> Buy Comply tips
> They stop compressing after three weeks
> 20 bucks for a pack of 3 pairs
> 20 bucks for 9 weeks
> 48 weeks in a year
> Over 100 bucks worth of Complys in a year
So are there any other tips that fit a wide variety of headphones and don't break after three weeks?
Surely somebody invented that by now.

>>62435242
I play guitar but I don't listen to sound signatures that emphasize guitars because I listen to balanced sound signatures because I'm not retarded.

>>62435223
They objectively apply the same frequency for all the bass frequencies, but that's not the same as being equally loud from a psychological perspective. Do you listen to Jazz, anon?

>>62435275
>Sean "Non-loudness-compensated listening tests" Olive
Disregarded.

>>62435272
>Bass player here
dude thinks it makes you a nigger for focusing on bass, typical disingenuous faggot

>>62435276
I'm quite fond of Spinfits.

>>62435295
I frequently enjoy jazz music reproduced with a balanced sound signature and a measurably loli-flat bass response, through speakers, full-sized headphones and IEMs. It always sounds great through any of these with loli-flat bass.

>>62435304
>Disregarded.
>because of reasons
>source: my ass
Damn, you must have a whole Encyclopedia of these butt-fetched arguments.
Just so you know, the circle of confusion is a concept created by Floyd Toole whille condcting researches for Harman.

Feel free to disregard that source too, i'm sure your ass-clopedya will have a good reason to.

>>62435342
You must not pay attention to the bass in jazz then. Let's take a look at Mingus' Wednesday Night Prayer Meeting around second 50 and owards.
https://youtu.be/x1WQR8Ti1vk?t=50s
The bass, while still audible, is very, very thin and barely noticeable while it gets drown out by every other higher frequency.

>>62435399
>You must not pay attention to the bass in jazz then
that's because he doesn't actually listen to jazz

>>62435318
>dude thinks it makes you a nigger for focusing on bass
That's racist! I'm a latino who focus on bass, not a nigger! Do you know how hard it is to clean all the Tacos from the bass after i'm done herearsing? No niggers in my studio del sombrero alto.

>>62435399
>around second 50 and owards
>The bass, while still audible, is very, very thin and barely noticeable while it gets drown out by every other higher frequency.
It sounds plenty loud enough to me when reproduced with loli-flat bass, TreKell.

>>62435426
>Do you know how hard it is to clean all the Tacos from the bass
My friend also has that issue. I try to tell him, "you've got to stop eating all those tacos" but he doesn't listen. I used to try to tell him to stop being latino because it's a bad habit but he would never listen so I gave up.

if he keeps it up though I'm going to have to fire him and find another avocado picker, and then ship him back to where I smuggled him from

>>62435429
It doesn't. It's drawn out, and I don't speak from a matter of taste subjectivity here, but by how much quieter it sounds compared to every other instrument.

>>62433390
THX00, X2 have a bass hump and their sub bass rolls off hard anyway plus they sounded muddy as fuck.
>>62433513
Confirmed for a pure shitposter that doesn't know how EQ works nor owns HD600, EQ won't solve HD600 no sub bass if you lover mids and boost highs retard.

>>62435426
>>62435484
Viva la RAZA. Fuck off pendejo, we're gonna make America Mexico again.

>>62433390
>>62435557
>THX00, X2 have a bass hump and their sub bass rolls off hard
that comma should be a period, it reads as if you were saying both the th-x00 and x2 suffer from bass hump, severe subbass rolloff, muddy bass, etc

>>62435557
>EQ won't solve HD600 no sub bass if you lover mids and boost highs retard.
>lower mids, boost sub-bass, set preamp to negative gain equivalent to sub-bass boost
>it's now V-shaped with sub-bass
Wow, that was fucking hard. No, it won't sound distorted. I've brought KSC-75 sub-bass up to midbass level without audible distortion and KSC-75 has much more measurable bass distortion. Bass distortion is very hard to perceive.

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My dumb fucking ass bought a Arctis 3 (which only works through 3.5mm) for my PS4 thinking they would sound fine, but they actually sound like 5 dollar headphones because the jack on the controller sucks fucking cock. I'd hate to waste 75 bucks so I was wondering if this pic related will solve my issue or do I also have to drop money on a fucking amp or some shit?

I feel fucking retarded, especially because I really like them, they sound pretty fucking good on the Switch.

>>62435627
The KSC75 has distorted bass even without EQ, can't imagine boosting it would help. Do you have a pair of low distortion headphones to compare it with?

>>62435653
>The KSC75 has distorted bass even without EQ
Measurably, sure. Audibly, no.

>>62435627
it won't solve the subbass issue because the hd600 lacks a proper seal due to the velour padding. subbass sounds like shit with velour pads. you can put some leather pads on them but they will have completely different sound and most likely will become very muddy as that is not what sennheiser tuned the headphones for.

>>62435660
Like I said, do you have low distortion headphones to compare it with?

>>62435666
Headphones EQ'd to flat bass sound just fine with velour earpads. You're full of shit.

>>62435685
>eq'd to flat bass
I said nothing about volume, I said they would sound like shit.
>sound just fine
are we okay with settling with "just fine" now? is that the state of /hpg/?

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>>62435605
You don't put coma when you only list 2 things you use 'and' to connect them.
>>62435627
As I said, confirmed for a pure shitposter that nor knows what the fuck he is doing nor has HD600. If you try to boost HD600 sub bass it sounds like shit.
>I've brought KSC-75 sub-bass up to midbass level without audible distortion.
And I am a magical fairy, fuck off.

>>62435276
i use chink foam tips

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1/32810369509.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1/32675454674.html

>>62435715
THD measurements are not a reliable indicator of audibility:
http://gedlee.azurewebsites.net/Papers/Distortion_AES_I.pdf
http://gedlee.azurewebsites.net/Papers/Distortion_AES_II.pdf
> In our next paper we will show that .01% THD of one type of nonlinear system can be perceived as unacceptable while 10% THD in another example is perceived as inaudible. Even one of these simple examples is sufficient to invalidate THD as a viable metric for discussion of the perception of distortion. Furthermore, 1% THD is not at all the same as 1% IM, but we will show that neither correlates with subjective perception.
>These results supported the skepticism that THD and IMD metrics were poor predictor of subjective perception of sound quality ratings.
Furthermore:
http://asa.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1121/1.4984044
>Research has suggested that non-linear properties of headphone responses have little effect
Furthermore:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e38e/b5526af06589596390cd585e6aa38c19344c.pdf
From this presentation given at the AES 129th convention:
>Conventional distortion measurements such as THD do not show reliable correlation to the ear’s perception
>in b4 retarded tripfag says these studies are being misinterpreted (they're not)
>in b4 strawman

>>62435629
It will be shit regardless of what you plug into the controller because it's transmitted via Bluetooth.

>>62435724
poorfag who doesn't know what good subbass sounds like because he doesn't own a headphone capable of good subbass

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>>62435747
>gets told by peer-reviewed science
>desperately clings to ad hominem damage control

>>62435276
>>62435720
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1/32749249112.html

>>62435724
Yeah, now EQ 10$ walmart shitphones to sound like an utopia and fuck off from /hpg/ since that the best thing you can afford.

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>>62435735
That box is so I don't have to connect the headphones to the jack on the controller, it's a DAC I would connect directly to the console and then I'd connect the headphones to it. But I don't know much about this and from what I gather the problem is that the controller doesn't really have enough power for the headphones so I'm worried that DAC will have the same issue.

Someone please help i don't know shit about this.

>>62435767
I don't pay attention to THD. Are you aware that current headphone designers have issues measuring the performance of headphones because there's simply not enough techniques to do so?

How do I make sure Im getting the best sound quality out of my computer? Do I need an amp and are there general settings and stuff on the computer that can affect the output?

>>62435796
Headphone measurement as a science will be perfected once HD600 as target curve becomes universally used.

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>>62435724

>>62435850
im fucking dying. there needs to be one about how sennshills believe the only measurement you need is the FR graph: >>62435810

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>>62435850
THD is not a reliable indicator of audibility. Deal with it.

>>62435810
>no sub-bass

>>62435892
>ThereAreTwoGenders.jpg
(not true by the way)
gender =/= sex

>>62435912
I self-identify Beats as neutral. This means Beats are neutral.

>>62435989
nice strawman

>>62435912
you are both correct, gender and sex are different and they are both binary systems

>>62435912
>>62435989
He is correct. There are three genders: Male, female, and future deloused ash pile.

>>62436040
>gender is binary
prove it

>>62436078
what do you mean prove it? gender has nothing to do with your preference or what you think you are or feel you are. It has to do with selection and alternative mating strategies that deviate from the norm for your biological sex., where typically females are the selectors in their species and males are the selected these positions can be flipped

>>62436148
>>62436078
anyways, there's nothing really to prove because it's a meaningless distinction and a colloquialism pretty much. not a scientific term, nor a distinction that was made in science and never will

>>62436148
>no proof
just as I predicted

>>62436078
It's going to take a while to euthanize all the abominations, so you might be waiting for a couple decades.

>>62436170
>>62436170
>anyways, there's nothing really to prove because it's a meaningless distinction

>>62435805
From whatever source you're using, make sure to disable all audio enhancements in windows and also to turn the bitrate up to make sure it isn't downsampling. That's about it, the rest is dependent on playback equipment.

>>62435805
buy an HD600, delude yourself into thinking that it is the best headphone available, and instead of EQing change your taste in music dramatically to fit your new headphones instead of buying headphones that fit your music genres

>>62435724
>more meme studies
>that changed nothing
>ego stroking from the most discredited contributor to audio studies
>any reputable audio equipment manufacturer still provides harmonic distortion measurements and IMD measurements

It's okay, I find it hilarious that your autism is so prevalent you have this copy and pasted somewhere in notepad or on your phone.

>>62435792
Thanks a lot guys very helpful.

>>62436227
Also this. Remember, in order to fit in on this board. Your music tastes are exclusively female vocals, idol trash, k-pop and j-pop exclusively through hd600s. Otherwise, you're a nigger or enjoy ear rape and there's absolutely no in between.

Also remember to blame the tripfag for all your miserable problems in life while systematically thinking your an expert in acoustics while never doing anything audio related in your life outside of buying a pair of hd600s.

>tfw my hearing is capped at 16 kHz under normal listening volumes
>just 20 years old
who else /deafening/ here?

>>62436214
when you say the rest is dependent on playback equipment does that include an amp?

>>62436296
Whether you need an amp or not is related to what headphone you intend on using.

Some headphones if not most are very easy to drive and most motherboards or phones can get them loud. Others may need some sort of amplifier whether they have overall low sensitivity or high impedence.

What headphones are you using now?

>>62436257
>Your music tastes are exclusively female vocals, idol trash, k-pop and j-pop exclusively through hd600s.
it's kinda sad if you liked those genres and then fell for the hd600 meme. you'd miss out on things like the he-6 for example

>>62436338
right now i use creative aurvana live, I don't know much about headphones and audio in general. they sound good to me but i have no point of reference other than cheap iems

>>62436427
>creative aurvana live
I meant live 2

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>>62432445

>Budget
320 dollars max
>Location
Lol Mexico city but I can import them from USA
>Source
Fiio e10k
>Type of headphone
Open and full size
>Comfort level
Medium
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
AKG k240 and I love them


I'm considering the AKG k702 but reviews don't seems to be anywhere close to concise for this level of headphones. Some people say they lack bass others say that the bass is neutral and perfect, others says that the mids and highs are perfect ans smooth others say that they are bright. And the same goes for my alternative the Bayerdinamics DT 880 250 ohms version. I can't try any headphone above 50 dollars because I live in Lol Mexico and returning them would take a lot of time. So I have to make my purchase based on online comments and reviews. So, what to do fampies ?

I listen to a wide variety of music, death metal, top 40 pop, rock, industrial, classical, soundtracks a lot of anime. My priorities on a headphones sound are:

1- Vocals, my favorite instrument
2- Soundstage, separation of instruments and detail
3- Bass

There's also the Hifiman he400s but they seem to be not that good for vocals but I'm going to read more reviews about them.

>also

Someone with the Fiio e10k and the k702 can tell me how they sound with bass boost on ? The bass boost on the k240 works perfect

>>62436348
It's mostly because your average hd600 owner (the seldom few shills who actually own the headphone) never had any exposure to other high end headphones. There are much better options at all price points, even for the genres I listed but the hd600s are pushed by weebs exclusively so they get that reputation.
>"man, I wanna get a high end pair of headphones lemme ask /g/"
>stumbles across /hpg/
>"my budget is $200, closed back, I listen to a lot of edm and rap so I'd like something with clean but good sub-bass."
>Sperglord Sennheiser shills suggest hd600
>"b-but I wanted something closed and looking at graphs of those they don't seem that bassy and the treble is rolled off..."
>NIGGER BASS AND EAR RAPE REEEEEEE
>*15 graphs and memes*
>"T-theyre also $100 over my budget..."
>REEEEEE POORFAG
>"o-okay I'll do it...."
>buys hd600s
>realizes he needs an amp too
>Splurgs another $100 on an amp
>listens
>they're complete shit for his application
>"f-fuck this sucks"
>"I feel stupid"
>"I'll just tell other people they're great"
>soon he forgets his initial opinions
>post purchase rationalization sets in
>another Sennheiser shill is born and the meme continues.

>it's another tripfag shitting all over the thread episode

>>62436427
you should be fine without an amp for those, I would just do what I mentioned in windows and you'll be good to go.

Those are also pretty good for their price point so unless you feel like getting something better at higher cost those are certainly fine.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AKG-Reference-Open-Back-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B001RCD2DW

These are £129 on amazon uk right now. Is it worth buying or waiting till black friday when something even better goes on sale.

I'm willing to wait.

>>62436548
>it's another sennheiser shills shitting up the thread episode

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>>62436520

>>62436492
HD600 is good all around and does vocals well, soundstage is more focused than other offerings but there is no issue with separation, positioning and detail. The weak point is probably sub bass but at that price point you can't have it all.

>>62436826
20-40 Hz and >10 kHz response is pretty damn inconsequential anyways.

>>62436244
pretty sure you need an amp. When I did it I used a cheap amp and it was fine.

there's this

https://www.amazon.com/FX-Audio-Optical-Coaxial-Amplifier/dp/B01HERNVFM

it looks like you'll need a jack adapter

>>62434326
Why?

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I>>62436492

I'm now really considering to leave out the Hifiman he400s as an option because they have a tiny 1.5 m cable instead of the standard 3 m and I NEED the 3 m to listen when I want to listen in my bed. What the fuck were they thinking ?! A tiny cable in a expensive headphone, really ?!

>>62436826

I think I'm not going to like the sennheiser sound, veiled is the absolute opposite of what I like in a headphone. They have also been described as mellow and soft I would prefer a clear and bright headphone over that, ideally I would like a smooth and clear sound.


What other Hi fi Open headphones should I check out ? What about some less know brands like Oppo and Philips ?

>>62437029
HD600 are not veiled.

>>62437029
I know they're well below your max budget but Phillips SHP9500S would be perfect for you.
K702 are much better than DT880 and would also be a good choice, but they are difficult to drive and will need more than an e10k.

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>>62433437
Nah, that was just somebody else random, I was taking a nap :P
(although I'm glad there's more HD600 owners who like umi :P)
Interesting re: X2... I'd heard the X2 was more comfortable, good to know it's nonsense.

>>62437029
OPPO's open headphones have a distortion spike in the midrange. Philips only good neutral headphone is the SHP9500.

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>>62437091

They wouldn't be more a sidegrade than an upgrade ? They are cheaper than my current headphones (when I originally bough them) but I'm going tho check them out anyway. Why the Fiio wouldn't be enough for the k702 they require 62 ohms and the Fiio can provide up to 150 ohms, some people say that they can even run the DT 880 and their 250 ohms

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>HD599 vs HD579
Near-identical FR measurements. HD579 is considerably cheaper, and according to the few reviews of both I found, it sounds better in practice, as HD599 apparently is all over the place when the bass hits.

>>62434313
They should re-do the actual measurement though.
The one they have is (still) clearly poorly sealed.

What are the best EARBUDS below $50? My ears are fucked and most IEMs don't fit.

>>62437252
i see, thanks.

>>62436204
+1 best answer.

>>62435805
If you wish to spend money to solve the problem, grabbing a Schiit Fulla 2 would be an efficient way.

>>62437237
They're an enormous upgrade over K240, just as good as K702 and better than DT880. Also, impedance (ohms) is not the only factor that determines headphone loudness through a given source. Sensitivity is also a factor. K702 are very insensitive.
I just checked K702 with e10k on Audiobot 9000. It says 113 dB max volume. I normally recommend at least 115 dB max volume for an amp/headphone pairing. This gives ample headroom for very quiet recordings and a wide variety of loudness preferences as well as moderate EQ if you ever decide to use it. e10k may or may not be loud enough for you when playing back recordings mastered at a low level depending on your loudness preference.

>>62437029
>HD600
>"veiled"
Definitely not. See the last section on: http://en.goldenears.net/8072
>but I've heard about the "sennheiser veil"
See this fun topic on head-fi: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-sennheiser-veil.219721/

>>62437237
>>62437366
In case you doubt me when I tell you SHP9500S are equal to K702 and better than DT880: http://asa.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1121/1.4984044
There is no correlation between headphone quality and price. There are amazing sounding $15 headphones (KSC75) and terrible sounding kilobuck headphones (Ultrasone Edition 10).

>>62437443
The KSC75 sounds like shit without EQ and has bad ringing problems even with EQ. It's good for the price, but that's about it. SHP9500S are in no way equal to K702s, and you're misrepresenting what that paper says if you think it proves your point.

>>62437462
>The KSC75 sounds like shit without EQ
Wrong.
>SHP9500S are in no way equal to K702s
Wrong.

>>62437029
>SHP9500S
Are really cheap, yet very good for their price, a little on the bright side neutral headphones.
Although your budget can afford HD600, which are much better.
Recommendations for good-for-the-price neutral open headphones are usually HD600 > HD579 > HD598/se/sr > HD558 > SHP9500S.

>>62437472
>no arguments
Thought so, all you can do is misrepresent studies.

>>62437462
>and you're misrepresenting what that paper says if you think it proves your point.
I'm not. Frequency response is responsible for at least 95% of a headphone's perceived fidelity.

>>62437490
It's a non sequitur to say that the SHP9500 is better than the K702 because of that. And the KSC75 sounds very very bad without equalization, you'd know this if you actually owned headphones. Pic + timestamp of your headphones, please.

best neutral leaning towards warm closed headphone that's 200 USD or less and doesn't need an amp?

>>62437672
HD380, HD569, MSR7 are options.
They'll all work without an amp, but all of them will benefit from having one.

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>>62437480
>HD600 > HD579 > HD598/se/sr > HD558 > SHP9500S
The amount of mental gymnastics you're going through to justify your HD600 purchase is insane. I can tell you've never even listened to 9500s before because if you had you would know they outclass any midfi snapheisers.

>>62437366

But audiobot doesn't seems to have in account the high gain setting of the fiio.

>>62437897
Nah, the 9500s mids aren't as flat, and bass is weak.
But the FR is seriously good for the cost, so the 9500s have that going for them.

>>62437903
audiobot's calculations are based on power vs impedance tables. It doesn't care about gain.

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>>62437793
>HD380
You sure about that?
They look WAY too bassy.

pic related is with "Bass Compensation" by the way.

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>>62437897
Try again faggot

reminder: m1060s are actually good for the price once you EQ out the 5khz wall of death

>>62438031
Why don't you clear up some desk space and put those HD600s in the trash where they belong

>>62433390

TX00 for sure

I own the fidelios and they're fun but they do have their problems, that being said the TX00 is fragile as fuck compared to the X2's

>>62438078

And get Audeze Vegans on that shit

but for real, they're pretty competent once you mod them, they're not fantastic or "LCD-2 Killers" but pretty damn good

>>62438102
Dipolar plays his role in these threads but being a Dipolar wannabe is the most faggot shit I ever done seen

Any fellow ausfags know where I can find rca to 1/4th adapter for the lsr305

>>62432445

I don't know if you guys are into IEM's but I recently got a pair of Er4xr's and I'm thinking about getting some se846's, is there too much of a difference? Or am I already fine with the XR's

>>62437268

Ve Monk+ is probably your best bet, I hear they're pretty good

I'm >>62436492

Thank you for all your answers fampies, I come to the conclusion that there is a lot of personal preference in all this comments and reviews. So I'm going to just buy the K702 because I trust AKG due to my anterior headphones and because they are ultra sexy. But I'm not sure about my amp I'm going to taste them with my Fiio and if they don't sound right I'm going to buy another amp to use with my Fiio as a DAC.


I don't want to spend more than 100 on a amp, 150 max if there is a significant improvement. what is a good solid state amp for this price range ? Or there is a low impedance headphone that would be significantly better than the k702 for 500 dollars max ?

The DAC on the JDS labs The element would be considerably better than the DAC in my Fiio ? Because look at this thing, is fucking beautiful.

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>>62438216

>>62437029
>I think I'm not going to like the sennheiser sound, veiled is the absolute opposite of what I like in a headphone.
KEK

>>62438228
Looks a lot like my setup.
>>62438216
I would not suggest the Element if you're looking for price/performance. You're paying big for the design and ergonomics. The DAC on it is transparent, but it's not likely to be noticeably better or worse than your fiio. If you're just looking for an amp, get a Magni 2 non uber.

>>62437366
>e10k may or may not be loud enough for you when playing back recordings mastered at a low level depending on your loudness preference.
lawll. I've owned a T50RP which is about as power hungry as the K702, and I own a fiio. He's going to clip his amp when he gets to 100% on hi gain.

>>62434313
That channel matching is awful, an isolated case?

Memes aside, looking at the blue plot, it's relatively flat from 30Hz to 10kHz, that's really fucking impressive.

I will definitely be buying a pair of these soon.

casn ii gert hadset??

>>62438398
My pair has no issues of the sort. If you're concerned just buy it from Amazon for the return policy

>>62437969
>HD380
I own a pair. They are bassy, but not melanin-enriched 10dB-over-midrange levels. The midrange and the treble do sound good.

>>62438398
>relatively flat
>that's really fucking impressive
have you not seen an audeze frequency graph or many other headphones that are flatter and have little to no subbass rolloff like the hd600 does?

how can anyone look at that and think it's relatively flat and impressive

>>62437969
Isn't that pic HD598Cs? These are way bassier than HD380.
HD380 has bass at around the same height as midrange.

Well, according to audiobot9000 the peak SPL of the Fiio with the k240s is 112.1 dB and with the k702s is 113.0 dB. So, technically is even better with them than with the k240s. I almost never use the max volume with the k240 on low gain, only for some dynamic hungry classical recordings.

With the rest of my library is always between 4 and 6 on the amp knob, the max is 8.

>>62438471
and you listen to music quieter than 99% of the population

>>62438398
HD600 used to have bad channel matching when it was new, and Sennheiser did improve that. I don't think that measurement isn't just badly channel matched, but also poorly sealed (probably better in one side, thus looks badly matched).
HD600 is considerably bassier than that. See >>62434548

>>62438485

99% is an exaggeration but it can be somewhat true, I use ear protection when I'm outside because I consider that is too loud (the subway and highways) but on the other side I don't consider that I listen music to a low volume If I think that I need more volume I always turn the volume up.

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>>62438425
I plan to.
>>62438456
You're not looking at the entire spectrum (20Hz-20kHz). Look at what occurs at 4.5kHz on the LCD-4. Based on this reasoning the HD600 is a higher fidelity headphone than the LCD-4. Sure the LCD-4 may have superior technicalities regarding THD and sub-bass response but overall accuracy is more important to me.
>>62438486
I may have to disagree here, on the unaveraged plots the sub-bass difference is consistent of about 5dB at 20Hz. On that particular model that was measured on InnerFidelity, the treble differences would be easy to spot.

>>62438533
>You're not looking at the entire spectrum (20Hz-20kHz).
no, what I did was misread what he said and think he said 30hz-100hz, and I was very confused

>>62438533
>lcd-4
Not that impressive when considering it costs around $4k

>>62438551
Like everything once you pass a certain point you're paying for preference

>>62438551
t. person who probably has never heard them

>>62438551
it's almost like headphone creators don't cater to your preference and don't give a shit about your neutrality.

it's almost like neutrality doesn't sound as good, therefore doesn't sell well. it's almost like neutrality doesn't sound the best. *gasp*

>>62438570
You're saying you'll lend me yours? :^)

>>62438581
lend me your boipucci, then we'll talk

>>62438582
I'd rather just buy the LCD-4 to try them, if it came down to that.

>>62438594
do it pussy, no balls

>>62438578
>it's almost like neutrality doesn't sound as good, therefore doesn't sell well. it's almost like neutrality doesn't sound the best. *gasp*

http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2008/12/part-3-relationship-between-loudspeaker.html

Even untrained listeners prefer accurate speakers.

>>62438611
not loudness matched and probably poorly sealed
try again

>>62438551
It's a boutique product with no audible benefits.

It is literally no better than $200 headphones.

I'm ready for the (you)s.

(you)

cables make a difference, give me the (you)s instead

>>62438631
pic+timestamp

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>>62438666
here's my cable 4u big boi

>>62438680
>those braided shades
hnng

>>62438680
Is that the makimaki element?

>>62438680
where's the utopia, big boi. oh wait you don't have one

D R O P P E D
R
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>>62438686
It cost way too much but damn it's pretty.
>>62438689
Indeed it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v_8g9vhNzk

>>62438716
Gorgeous

ATH-M40x

First time I've paid more than 20 bucks for headphones. Didn't realize I was missing this in my life until I had it.

Do the crazy 300 dollar and more ones make this kinda difference as well or is this just the shock of escaping shitty earbuds.

>>62438735
not as large of a jump as $20 -> m40x but it's still a large difference

>>62438735
From shit to decent is the biggest difference.
But don't be depressed, there's still quite the jump from m40x to HD600.

>>62438765
>hd600
>the point of diminishing returns is exactly the most expensive headphone I own

>>62438792
That's accurate.

>>62438735
diminishing returns hits at about $200, but going from bose to m-100s was a true giggle fest for me.

>>62433104
Damn. This makes me want to watch K-On again.
I didn't watch the end cuz it was too sad

>>62438838
It doesn't hit anywhere if you can EQ. Build quality and construction increase substantially as THD continues to decrease.

>Budget
$350($400 pushing it if, and only if, they are light years better than headphones $350 or lower)
>Location
United States
>Source
Magni 2U
>Type of headphone
Over Ear
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Comfort for listening sessions of ~2-3hours
>Sound signature
Highs-Mids. Warm but not too far from neutral.
Still want/need presence of lows
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD 558
Beyerdybamic DT 990 250ohm
Philips X-Fi Fidelio X1

>>62438939
I said diminishing, that doesn't mean nonexistent. There just isn't as much noticeable difference between a $300 and $700 pair as there is between a $100 and $300 pair, despite the price jump being the same

>>62438984
Am I hearing HD 600

>>62439008
>the point of diminishing returns is exactly the most expensive headphone I own

>>62439008
Big difference in build and materials. You start getting stuff like extensive use of wood and metal above $500.

>>62438984

Seems like 600/650/6xx territory, I think you can't go wrong with any of those although if you want a tad more neutral the 600's would probably be best

>>62439046
I never understood this, why not just use better plastic? I don't want headphones weighing close to a kilo on my head

>>62439078
The HD800 does just that. But anyways, just lift more and it wont be a problem.

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Just picked up some audio technica ath Ls50is, they're pretty shitty if you ask me.

>>62439013
>>62439066
Cool thanks. I've heard good things about thos so I think I'll check em out

>>62438984
hd650

>>62438750
>>62438765
>>62438838
Thank you. Good to know. I've just never wanted to sit in the dark to just listen before.

I actually have crazy hearing just never had the brain for music, but damn this is different.

>>62438735
To really get the difference in the $300 headphones, you need to pair the right headphones with the right music and you personal tastes.
That's why you see people have lots of different headphones, because they all pair well with different genres of music.

Would it be worth it to buy a cheap headphone amp (~$100)to use with a Galaxy S8?
Headphones in question is the RHA T20s

>>62439273
get out of here with your reasonable opinions that lack any bias

>>62436078
found the trany

I've been using my $70 peasant tier Sennheiser set for a good 10 years and anything not plastic or metal is literally rotting away for the last 1-2.

I went ahead and ordered an AKG K553Pro.
A floor model I tested felt comfy enough and it at least sounded better than my current set.

I admit I know fuck all about this stuff. Did I do gud or did I just overpay for shit.

Also is there a defacto "/hpg/ approved(tm)" USB DAC that would be good to bring around with my laptop?

>>62439752
>laptop
dragonfly black or red

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>try to find actually unbiased, buzzword and meme free reviews
>cant find any forums where people believing in suck voodo as "burning in" wires producing audible changes aren't laughed off the site.
Why is my hobby full of 60 year-olds arguing over frequency's they cant hear anymore/ever?
I'm sure this is REEEE post number 9001, but Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ, there is nowhere to go where you can ask a question and not end up getting flooding with solutions that are the electrical equivalents of praying aids away.

TL;DR: Is there some magic forum where people who think $600 1-meter power wires and "cable cookers" are sound investments get banned into oblivion on sight.

>>62440257
>REEEEE post number 9001
>Jesus tap dancing christ
>angrycat.png
>praying aids away

is there some magic forum where people like you get banned into oblivion?

>>62440257
>>62440348
>comes to an uncensored forum for uncensored debate
>complains about people not being banned for their opinions

>>62440389
>>opinions
nothing i referred to in my post was an opinion

>uncensored debate
*dib*

Are the Bose QuietComfort 35 good?
Apart from being comfy?

Thinking of getting them or HD600.

>Budget
~30 euros preferably less
>Location
Italy
>Source
iPhone 5S/Fiio X1
>Type of headphone
in-ear
>Past headphones
the apple ones that came with the phone

I need a pair of cheap headphones since my old apple ones broke, it would be nice if the had a microphone and working controls. I would like them to have little microphonics and it doesn't matter if isolation is not perfect (like the apple ones).

>>62440858
They're better than HD600 unless all do you is listen to classical shit.

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Just got my K702.
Couldn't be happier with music and gayming.

Which is better FX audio X6 DAC/amp or Fiio K5 with e17k as DAC? Should i look at SMSL too ?
For HD600

>>62438984
HD600.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaR34WTjYt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZTKCMRzHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Es9S9tXTY

>>62440858
HD600 hands off. See >>62441739
The QC35 are pretty much the ANC gimmick + pretty comfortable. The FR isn't spectacular.
Disclaimer: Someobody at work got them. I've tried them and the moment I activated the ANC I got a headache and felt like puking. Definitely not for me.

>>62432641
AKG k612 pro should be moved to AMP required. For instance, k612 are much more power hungry than HD600, which are in AMP required section. Makes no sense.
For that matter, I'm not sure if HD600 should be in AMP required section in first place. Those headphones are much easier to drive than majority of audio illiterates here seem to think. They will actually play decently out of phone jack, which is something you won't see on headphones like k702/k612.
But on the other hand, no one buys HD600 and uses them out of mobo out or phone out. It's a waste of headphones, so AMP is required in a way.
Consider implementing by sound signature groupings.

>>62432944
>650 above 600
Massdrop users sure know their shit.

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Post all of your headphone stuff, even the trash.
>Fx audio dac X6
>Dragonfly gen 1
>Sony xba ha1
>Beyerdynamic dt990
>Takstar pro 82/hyperx cloud core
>Apple ear pods
>Beatsx
Beatsx are new and I don't regret them at all. Their formfactor and build are super convenient and I use them on the go and in bed. After some minor eq they sound pretty balanced and are overall a great single driver dynamic earphone

>>62439752
K553 or just the closed K5XX AKGs in general have sealing issues. If you can consistently get a seal om them, you're fine.

>>62441844
massdrop did the "6xx" drop, which is 650.
Meaning a lot of people who got the drop do love their 6xx, and haven't tested 600, so they'll ofc vote for 650.
No surprises there, other than 600's high result despite that.

Superlux HD 681
HD-681 EVO
HD668B

???

best £30 headphones?

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Since the wiki's been down for two days I'll just ask here.
I want to get some speakers for my tv that I'll use mainly to play music, friend recommended me the logitech z333 but I might want to jump for the z623, if there are better options I would love to know, I only know about headphones.
>Budget
~300 euro
>Location
Germany
>Source
tv using laptop, bluetooth would be nice too when I have guests
>Sound Signature
As balanced as possible

>>62441777
>>62441777
You don't know what you're talking about. The QC35s have ridiculously good bass response
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-1/graph#342/1186
vs
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-1/graph#325/1186

The HD600 also have really exaggerated mids which sound harsh and overly bright which most people hate.

Kindly off yourself.

>>62443878
>bass above midrange
>goes up as freq goes down, rather than roll off.
All the melanin.
Much bass.
Wow.

>>62443872
What I never understood about speaker people is why you would use speakers instead of headphones? Loud noises just piss off everyone around you.

>>62443905
>under-exaggerated bass is good
>over-exaggerated midrange is good
>reddit memes
You're completely retarded

>>62443914
I'm just fine with my headphones, I want to upgrade how shit my TV sounds.

>>62443925
You can tell us the truth. It _is_ okay to be melanin-enriched.

What are the go to IEM's for 50$?

>>62440858
I heard QC35 at Best Buy yesterday. They're surprisingly good sounding for what they are but they don't come close to competing with HD600.

>>62445244
Etymotic MK5

>Budget
20$ - 25$, if it's really worth it I'm willing to spend more
>Location
Japan
>Source
PC/Phone possibly my Guitar Amp, but please don't focus too much on this, I'll mostly use them on my PC and Phone.
>Type of headphone
IEMs

Something I want to stress on, I want something VERY durable. I'd like some IEMs that no matter how loud I listen to my music to they'll never break. I also want the headphones to have very durable wires so there's never contact failure inside the wires or headbuds.
Lastly I want the headphones to be comfortable and not drop out of my ears as possible.
If there's any recommended bluetooth headphones I'm very interested.

Please help a fellow /csg/ fag without prior headphone experience out.

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>>62445793
>20$ - 25$
>very durable

>>62445793
HJE120 because comfy and mod them with JB Weld so the solders never come loose: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/6-panasonic-rp-hje120-surprisingly-usable.594945/page-3#post-13576623
You won't find durable IEMs in your price range. JB Weld stress relief is your best bet.

>>62445883 new thread

>>62445244
ADDIEM

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>>62445906
t.Quandell

>Budget
€300-400.
>Location
Netherlands
>Source
Wireless
>Type of headphone
Over-ear.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
Comfortable, doesnt matter if they sound terrible, ill be wearing them to work for long periods of time
>Sound signature
Neutral leaning on the bass

I currently own sennheiser momentum, theyre a bit uncomfortable for long periods of time

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>>62446047
>wireless headphones

>>62445937
They are described as thin by many, so fuck off with your shitty graph.

>>62446047
HD569 or MSR7.
>a bit uncomfortable for long periods of time
Closed means the seal is very important means clamp.
I find momentums particularly bad (a friend has a pair), but they're optimized to use outside, and I don't use headphones outside at all.

>>62440858
yes, but don't get them unless you need ANC or extreme comfort