What will it realistically take for Linux to be the top OS?

>>62422067
Games.

>>62422067
>try to install steam game
>additional driers are required, see console
>no console open
>want spotify desktop app
>have to go through 900 steps in console to download it

the list goes on. windows just werkz

>>62422067
Easy to install apps. PDF viewer that isn't complete shit.

>>62422067
Make it so updates don't randomly break important shit like DEs.

>>62422072
We have winrar!

>>62422067
Linux doesn't need to be "TOP" you really don't want that, the thing that linux needs is more software and some extra hardware support, if i would have all that professional software running natively i wouldn't even mind if some parts takes time to configure

>>62422067
Dell and HP pre-installing it

>>62422111
>Mint chooses for you safe updates what are least likely to break anything. Mostly chooses security updates.
>But mint still lets you to choose more risky updates.
Well i think mint got update stuff almost perfectly.

The only things what doesent let linux take over windows is software/hardware/driver compatibility.

If you will be able to run any windows app on linux without any problem... Well. Linux will win.

>>62422067
The better question is, if whole linux community decide to make one os standard and deprecate all others and all upcoming can be developed but must support binaries and other things all of that os so that no porting requires only difference maybe in how it looks.
so which os would /g/ want as that standard os?

>>62422067
AppImages for everything. Sadly, I bet not even you, OP, know about AppImage.

>>62422067
A time machine.

Its ded. develop redox is or freebsd

>>62422067
More user friendliness.
Less bullshit problems like needing to setup your own wifi if you're unlucky.
A less hacky version of Wine. (Those workarounds are ridiculous even for popular programs)
Stability. The average user will need to reinstall everything multiple times because they will keep fucking something up.

Linux is the ultimate garbage

>>62422159
Of course I know what applemage is, idiot, it's is a format for distributing portable software on Linux without needing superuser permissions to install the application.[1]

>>62422072
This and only this. I dual boot, using W10 for games, and Linux for everything else. But I only do that because I despise MS. Most people don't give a damn.

needs to become retard friendly

>>62422067
We need a universal package installer so you don't have to type console commands to download a program.

>>62422173
Wine is less and less necessary these days. Nobody writes any of your vidya with directx so basically everything can be multiplatform, which valve is also pushing for sort of. And console manufacturers. And basically everyone.

>>62422173
I had fewer problems with Mint & Xubuntu I've installed on family computers than I had with Vista or 7 in the past. Now when I visit I occasionally run update and I've touched nothing else past two years.

Linux is really good for old people that don't use computer for anything more than using browser and Skype

>>62422174
Any arguments? Of course, no!
*sigh*

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>>62422067
By trying to fixe everything in this picture.

Vendor support. If you put Ubuntu on a bunch of low-mid range laptops, normies wouldn't care. They just use what comes with the system

Needs moar users, plain and simple.
And I mean regular joe users, not fucking supercomputers and server farms.

>>62422067
Bill Gates death

>>62422086
>spotify
Why even bother?

>>62422229
Most people just have common sense.

>>62422515
This. Vendors being compliant with hardware standards too, so we dont need specialised drivers for things like power and volume buttons on some laptops.

>>62422560
As much as we love to shit on Ubuntu, we need to realize that it has value in that it's ideal for acclimating normies. It's a great gateway drug.

>>62422072
/thread

>>62422086
There are 3 lines of code to install Spotify

what the hell

>>62422574
True, but it makes you go deeper because 16.04 is shit.

>>62422574
I still use ubuntu but have recently considered moving to a rolling-release distro.

Ubuntu has been excellent for me over the last 2 years. I enjoyed Unity DE a lot, and I'm pretty excited for canonical's take on gnome 3. Especially since canonical's modifications will be pushed upstream.

>>62422603
Try manjaro and start with its xfce, and if you want something a bit heaver on your ram, try kde.

>>62422597
They're cutting Unity lose, which is the best decision they've made in years. Gnome is plenty for normies, especially with the android/iphone-esque application menu

>>62422067
Make it so that you don't need to open a terminal for many tasks.

>>62422614
This. Manjaro is Arch without the required autism. It just werks(tm). Go for xfce, KDE is buggy as shit

macOS released as a free distro

>>62422630
Yeah. Already running manjaro xfce. It's really great. But i plan on switching to gentoo or void (xfce flavors ofc). Systemd backdoor n shiet...

>>62422067
The apocalypse

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>people discussing even the slightest possibility of Linux becoming a relevant desktop OS

>>62422593
No its literally one command.

Make it the preinstalled OS on almost every computer. It's basically the only reason why Windows has a monopoly.

>>62422723
This is correct. Normies don't care about hand-picking an OS, they just want something that works with no fuss. Any distro that /g/ regularly shits on would make perfect pre-installs.

>>62422157
None is fit to be the standard OS, you would need to make a distro that combines the best traits from every distro.

>UI that is actually intuitive without having to enter a fuckton of code to make it that way
>not having to enter commands to do nearly everything on any distro
actually, commands should be optional only for advanced users who want to mess with the OS. Normies should be able to install things with a few simple clicks just like in windows.

>>62422067
Games
Office that doesn't sucks
Photoshop analogue
Manufacturers support

Possibly nothing. The year of the Linux desktop has been touted since the past decade yet has never come. At this point, it would be too optimistic to think that nix will ever defeat Windows.

Games to work and being preinstalled on the computers that are on the store's shelf. Everything else will happen automatically with a 100% certainty.

>>62422067
An easy way to install programs outside a package manager.
An easy way to update/tie-in a program downloaded outside a package manager to a repo when one does finally crop up for said program

That covers like 90% of the issues I have with linux. If I run into something that isn't available in a repository (or it is, but nobody says what the fucking repository is...) then it's like pulling teeth to get something working.

Aside from that, WINE needs some kind of default configuration that works for everything out of the box, and IOMMU/passthrough needs better support and development so it's more plug-and-play.

>>62422086
True that. If it is not available in the repos, installing it is a pain in the ass. On Cent OS, i just couldn't get a DC client to work. The dependencies were never satisfied no matter wut I did during building from source.

>>62422086
>current state of /g/

>>62422483
/thread

>>62422149
Very close to happening if gpu passthrough and IOMMY can get sorted out and improved.

>>62422157
No way would this ever happen. Distro's aren't like 10 tools all trying to do the same thing. They are 10 tools each specialized for a different thing.

More vendors selling laptops with it

Normies buy chromebooks or iDevices with no gaems or software

But its just not common to be able to buy linux

>>62422067
probably if the entire fucking world ran it
oh wait... it already does, the majority of the internet is powered by linux

>>62422067
Better quality 4chan shills

>>62422067
To become something I dispise.

>>62422593
theres 0 to install it on windows

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>>62422358
>>62422072
Pretty much these.

>>62422067
brain dead macfags who'd suck any linux advocators dick because it's cool

>>62422390
>everything can be multiplatform, which valve is also pushing for sort of. And console manufacturers. And basically everyone.
uuuhhhh

>>62422067
Apple and Microsoft to abandon the desktop when they've fully moved on to tablets with keyboard accessories.

Then Linux will be the 'best' desktop OS due to being the last one standing.

NoGNU/Linux aka Android has been the top OS for years.

>>62422593
>>62422086
Uh you don't even have to open the terminal. just install the .deb with synaptic or gedebi if cli scares you

>>62422067
It must be better than Windows. That's about it.

Stop being linux.
Bloated kernel - no good
X11 is shit and Wayland is worse

>>62422831
>if gpu passthrough and IOMMY can get sorted out
How would that help "linux distros" problems?

>>62422157
Non-issue

>>62422072
You already have 25% windows games, and all emulators and browser games. So the lack of games isn't really an issue especially when consoles are just better for games (that aren't FPS or RTS).

>>62422159
This would help. Canonical is doing this shit with snaps.

>>62422173
It's very user friendly already. You just need time learning it the same as you did with windows.
Everything is set-up automatically on Ubuntu and Fedora, and their forks. Only arch and gentoo have these "wifi problems".
Wine is fine. You can actually play vidya installed on your windows partition without having to install them on Linux via wine, if installation is where you're having trouble.
You will only "fuck up" the first few times you use it. The same happens to new windows users, don't act like it doesn't. I remember specifically fucking up windows several times a year and having to re-install it once a year or two. The difference is now you can do all this much faster so you only have an illusion of it breaking more often. That, and you already have enough experience with windows to have some common sense about the OS and know how not to break it. The same would happen to you with Linux if you used it just as long.

>>62424324
This could happen.

>>62422863
This

>>62422067
Manufacturers giving a damn

Consumers giving a damn

Commercial developers giving a damn

>>62422111
Linux isn't Arch

>>62422483
eyes = opened

>>62422626
You can navigate most distros without terminal, there are graphical application suites that deal with updates.

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Normies can't install operating systems so the only way is for some big brand to start making linux laptops and desktop computers that just werk.

>>62424595
>that aren't FPS or RTS
or mmorpgs
or roguelikes
or mobas

>>62426027
Mobas are slimmed down RTS. There's nothing wrong with roguelikes on consoles seeing how they're mostly turn bases. MMORPG is a dead genre, but I agree.

>>62422072
I'm making all my games exclusively for Temple OS so normies won't even know about them. Linux is toast. (but I still use it)

also
>all these years
>still no mspaint clone
how hard is it?

>>62426848
KolourPaint kills ms paint. Ms paint is actually terrible and buggy. It doesn't support transparency and if you're zoomed in while resizing the image by dragging borders it will sometimes improperly resize it. The only purpose mspaint serves is pasting your print screen from clipboard and cropping it, which is a useless feature when Linux can out of the box screenshot a selected area and Windows can be configured to do it as well.
Linux has much better and more powerful/useful default software out of the box than windows. This has been true for a long time now.

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>>62426919
>There is now a free and open MS paint clone.

Useless yet fantastic

>>62422159
Imagine how easy would be to install games. CLICK AND PLAY

>>62426919
>KolourPaint
does it have color swapping with the eraser tool? or resizing with ctrl +? retards like you typically don't even know what mspaint can do. that's why the linux programs all suck dick. that's why no one actually likes using it.

>>62427439
>calls other retards
>uses ms paint
? It's useless software and you're autistic. But explain "color swapping with eraser", what do you mean by this? I haven't used ms paint since w7 because all Microsoft products are shitware.

>>62427489
you can select 2 colors, the eraser tool, then drag with right click to swap one color into your alternate.

linux fags think they know a program. swear it's not only super cloned for realsies but "actually better, bro". but it's never even cloned. this entire community has no clue what "clone" means apparently. your clones always lack basic shit.

That's why Temple OS is going to destroy Linux. Because it actually has great paint software.

>>62427489
>all Microsoft products are shitware
msPaint isn't even a microshit product anymore. nobody at that company has any clue what it does. the software is too old. all the poojeets are just building off windows xp.

>>62426919
>KolourPaint
>Click and drag to replace pixels of the foreground color with the background color. To replace all pixels similar (but not necessarily exactly equal) to the foreground color, such as in dithered images and photos, use a Color Similarity setting other than Exact.
okay you win, this is godlike. fuck microshit

>>62422067
Microsoft Office

>>62427658
windows 10 actually broke office assistants, fyi. since windows 7 you had to download a supplementary microsoft agent to have assistants, but as of windows 10, the functionality is broken. not removed, just broke.

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>>62427684
muh image

>>62427506
Okay, now I know you're baiting. I should've figured it out earlier.

>>62422067
Games and software support. More games support Linux these days, but it's still not nearly enough. Linux also lacks AutoCAD, Solidworks, Photoshop, MS Office, etc... It can't even slightly compare to the competition in that regard.

If you want it to actually be the dominant OS you also need to have it preinstalled on computers. Retards make up a big portion of the market, and they have no idea how to install and configure an OS.

>>62427704
shut the fuck up you dumbfuck faggot arrogant piece of shit. how many memes have you made? exactly. Z E R O

YOU AREN'T SHIT SO DON'T TALK ABOUT PRODUCTION.

about 48% more market share

>>62422111
>Using mint
>Update
>Restart computer a couple of weeks later
>Cinnamon crashes immediately upon logging in
>Look everywhere for a fix
>No one has this issue
>Have to manually remove the default DE and replace it with another one in order to keep using computer

This shit does not happen with Windows or Mac.

Self contained applications
Dependency fuckery turns normies off, particularly when they have to fix the dependency...
and it all comes to command lines- they get turned the fuck off

.deb system is a step up, avoiding the terminal, but still plays with dependencies, and when it breaks they don't know what the fuck to do, so they break more shit.
And then they break linux, and complain, and leave.

Particularly when they have to add apt-get sources via terminal to install wtf they want. Just let the fucker get self-contained. Fuck the harddrive space, it's cheap asf.

Self-contained applications... fuckers can delete the files of an application with 0 repercussions to the rest of the system- they bscly just delete the program off the system, problem solved.
It's straightforward and intuitive. Like how OOP is so easy to teach to pajeets.

Effective straightforward applications for common file types. To be fair, linux has a good few of these- gedit, a few photo viewers. They're nice and straightforward for normies. They're used to "open the file, it shows up in a viewer", no problem. Don't make them resort to a command line to open shit.
A simple fucking GUI to effectively specify command line args to what you're opening is MUCH more normie friendly. All those flags they'd have to look up when typing? No, it's got a fucking tickbox with words and possibly a short explanation.

Jesus, loonixtards always forget how much they know about the system they're in, they can't fucking appreciate how unintuitive it can be to someone completely unaware.
There are people who are difficult to teach wangblows, so why do you fuckers assume you can teach them everything into linux?

>>62422676
it's just got a long way to go because everyone that actually cares to develop it is caring about their own usage of it.
They have no recognition of how it comes across to someone not in that clique

>>62422067
It needs a unified desktop environment that's easy to use, lightweight, looks nice, and has modern features without that horrible flat look. XFCE comes close but it's ugly and lacks features. Gnome was supposed to be what I'm describing but it's buggy, laggy, heavy, and nasty looking with thick window title bars which are unintuitive and lack decent controls. There's also that retarded bar at the top that knows it isn't a dock but can't make up it's mind between being a status bar, an application menu, and a taskbar.

I hate every desktop environment that's out there these days and I've just gone back to using the IRIX desktop and Window Maker because they don't get in my way.

>>62428240
oh fuck don't remind me of that
like why the fuck can I have an application in a window, but then all the fucking options are miles away at the top of the screen?
who's smart fucking idea was that?

the human brain compartmentalises, bitches. Everything assosciated with the program should be in that window

>>62422067
GNU

Fixing the fucking screen tearing that's a problem on all DE's would be a good start

>>62428335
This. X is hot garbage.

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Honestly, here's how shit should really work

You get 4 main folders in your system
1. Programs
These are self contained, an installed program gets a folder, and that's pretty much all it can play with, it can do what the fuck it wants with it. It can get permission to open files in USER, that's just a given.
But each program can lay shit out how it wants, it'll simply always be in its folder.
2. Libraries
Should be more familiar, except here multiple versions are stored.
These can be installed by request of a program, but they shouldn't be overwriting eachother (the file location would be the literal identifier of the library), because multiple versions are stored, each program will have exactly what it needs, was made with, and shit won't break.
There may be redundancy, but worse case you delete the library, the program complains it isn't installed, it gets installed. The program probably comes with an installer for it.
3. Drivers
Here we have OS... just fucking everything to do with the core OS goes in here. Pretty simple, its also contained and not spread everywhere.
Active... contains the drivers being used. Again, pretty much a don't-touch situation, each driver gets its own space to deal with its shit, but its all contained to itself. It's probably better to filesystem link to the Store version.
Store contains a fuckton of drivers ready to use. Old drivers to roll back to, etc. Each self contained, multiple versions, like in libraries (again, a version partition layout might be sensible here). If Active links directly to the store version, broken settings may be included, so the driver would need deleting completely and reinstalling.
4. User.
User gets a folder. User does what it wants with folder. It is User's folder. User doesn't need to worry about what it fiddles with in its own folder. User can of course go fuck with the other folders, it is user's computer. User can delete programs. User can delete libraries. User can delete OS if it's dumb enough.

>>62422067
video games

because that's how windows made it

>>62428617
saved

>>62422067
Graphics drivers
OEM support
Applications like Photoshop and stuff

>>62428617
Linux already works similar to that so I don't get what exactly you would change.
You can actually install older dependencies manually but it's too much of a hassle. Honestly appimage should become a standard for non-system software, or at least software that includes dependencies that get updated often. I've only once got into a dependency issue and that was for YGOPRO (vidya) which I couldn't install on a non-LTS Ubuntu since I actually had more up to date dependencies. It's not really a common issue, and devs being retarded are to blame here (in this case).
As for the drivers part, most Linux distros save multiple kernels. Usually the LTS, the previous and the current one you use. And you get to boot into either of them similar to windows "safe mode". And since drivers are all stored there, you pretty much already have what you imagined.

>>62422067
Microshit moving their company to India. It would just add to the stigma of Windows being a third-world OS.

>>62428760
I suppose it'd be a case of making it... cleaner.
Personally, I'd try kill the entire library thing, but that'd never happen for loonies. I'd have programs store the libraries they want to use.
And I've had plenty of dependency issues... it kills me every tiem.
Drivers, yea, pretty much already on the money.

Ideally, I'd distribute the entire "muh dependency" system across the actual components of it, instead of some tree somewhere that is incorrect if I decide to delete a program (ie, it just werks, even if I don't use the uninstaller)

>>62428034
>Self contained applications
no.
linked libraries are the best way to do things
I don't want 50 versions of openSSL on my system

>>62428617
Are you fucking retarded?

>>62428034
>what is AppImage

Linux just needs one triple A exclusive game for the OS.

That's all it needs.

>>62422067
Normie genocide

>>62422067
It's kernel is dominant due to Android

>>62430076
breaks errytiem

>>62422072
/thread

>>62424595
>That aren't FPS or RTS
Or any game that isn't a 3rd person action adventure rpg or racing game.

>>62422358
I'd say Ubuntu Mate is about as retard friendly as it gets. Familiar interface. And it basically holds your hand for the initial setup.

>>62422111

Ahahahah, Debian master race over here.

>>62422120
>more software
Yes. There are tons of open source software, but it would be nice if some more of hte bigger closed source names make software for *nix.
>some extra hardware support
Linux already has the best hardware support. What more do you need?

>>62425792
this

>>62425990
dell and system76 did this already

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>>62432527
back to the hugbox for you, I guess

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>>62432638
87KB

>>62432638
290KB

lol utilize some compression loser

>>62432683
Meh, video.online-convert.ru didn't show any encoding options. I don't know why you're mad enough to quote me twice though.

>>62422067
Nothing. Microsoft is pulling out of the desktop market and MacOS is stone dead since years back.

>>62422067
HPC

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>>62422483
Actual page: downtoearthlinux.com/posts/11-reasons-to-avoid-linux/

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>>62432702
>russian domain with hyphens

I_aint_clicking_that_shit_nigga.JPEG

>>62425288
I've had this happen on fucking Mint. It's not just an arch thing.

>>62422483
why the hell would you lay something out like that? how can anyone find that readable? do you have too short of an attention span to read the entire thing, so you just glance around until you find something worth using your brain for?

>>62422072
fpbp

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More support for mainstream software that a lot of people need (like everything of Adobe's software, Sony Vegas, Microsoft Office, etc).
A wider support for games (yes I know Valve is trying to make gaming in Linux a thing but there's barely any support from AAA companies).
And more user-friendly intuitive distros (distros in where you don't have to learn anything to actually use the system, not bash, not words like "source code" or "libraries" that people not interested in technology know nothing about, you name it).

So, realistically, it would take a miracle.

>>62422159
>appimages
This is the only way Linux will be a viable desktop operating system. Linux distros break on updates way too often. I've even had Debian break from an update. If NixOS was normie friendly, it would be by far the best Linux distro because of its resistance to breaking.

>>62422764
Its even easier if it's available in the built in store. The problem is adding repositories and such.

>>62424595
> You can actually play vidya installed on your windows partition without having to install them on Linux via wine, if installation is where you're having trouble.
Teach me your ways, sensei.

>>62422097
appimage and flatpack solves that

>>62422831
These still require a windows license and a second GPU. They're major deal breakers.

>>62425990
welcome to ChromeOS

It needs to be more like windows so even the dumbest of niggers can use it.

Botnet. Normies fucking love botnet.

>>62422067
It is already top in it's niche. Not every system has the same purpose.

Windows: business(standard), games
OS X: reliability?, good design?
Linux: servers, nice environment for devs

>>62439183
>Linux: servers, nice environment for devs
don't forget embedded systems. most computers on earth run linux

>>62437752
Boot into windows
Install a game
Reboot into Linux
Double click the game's launcher

Worked for all games I tried.

>>62422067
OEM installs, ARM desktop PCs, better UI

>>62422097

https://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf-reader/

https://bintray.com/probono/AppImages

>>62422863
iOS has gaems

>>62422067
ransomware.
>>62422097
>Easy to install apps
wat
>>62424416
>Bloated kernel
Install Gentoo.
>>62430076
this. i dont understand why people shit on package managers.
>>62439192
this
>>62434389
this article is dumb as fuck.

>>62441429
Gentoo won't help. Unless Gento/FreeBSD :P

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>>62441445
by gentoo i mean custom kernel (with removed unnecessary drivers etc)

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>>62422676
A kernel can never become a relevant desktop OS

>>62422067
It already is, the internet is mainly Linux phones connecting to each other through linux servers these days.

>>62438617
I thought Ubotnetu was supposed to be made for those negroes.

Everything on Linux is like pulling teeth. It's a pain in the ass to even add a printer.

>>62443840
>work with a bunch of potato-shaped wimmin
>they're afraid to even try "add Printer Wizerd"
If normies have trouble with four or five clicks to add a windows printer, imagine trying to support a fleet of ubuntu laptops

t. technician that has become an Add Printer wizard instead

>>62422067
For stuff to just work. I installed ubuntu on some laptop I had to try it out.

Went to install 5 different programs and none of them would work straight away. I'm not talking about needing to download dependencies, just weird shit like:
you install steam, won't even launch, you try to uninstall it, it won't uninstall. Then you have to go and manually fuck around with shit to uninstall, then reinstall it in another way.

Every installation had a different problem which was a major pain in the ass, and they weren't exactly niche software either.

>>62422067
Bistros that actually work and also a lack of meme bistros.

>>62443840
Wtf are you talking about? It's plug and play. Are you fucking paid by Microsoft to spread lies about linux?

>>62444918
>sudo apt install steam
That's all you need to do...

>>62445207
>sudo apt install steam
That's all you need to do...

And that's what I did. Wouldn't launch.

>>62422067
Android

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>want to play mount and blade warband on my Inspiron N7110
>decide to try it on Linux
>runs like absolute dogshit, a game from anno domini 2017
>run it on my small windows partition
>runs perfectly
I'll use Linux for everything but mount and blade. But desu its bretty good otherwise.