/hpg/ Headphone General

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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what's the thinkpad of headphones?

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>>62412498
Hello, requesting advice

>Budget
100 USD max

>Location
Mexico City

>Source
Plugging them into my computer/speakers, normal headphone jack will do

>Type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
Closed, although no strong preference there.

>Comfort level
They should be comfortable for extended periods of use (several hours), although ideally not sacrificing too much sound quality.
Note: I have a somewhat large head, so this might be something to take into consideration.

>Sound signature
Probably neutral, I don't think I'd like to modify the incoming sound if I'm not knowledgeable in that stuff. if anything, maybe I'd take bassy as well.

>Past headphones
Panasonic RP-HTF600, I liked the comfort level but disliked the build quality (size adjusters broke fairly quickly without any significant force applied, had to just duct tape them to my desired size). Audio quality was okay but nothing impressive. I also previously owned very low-end Sennheisers, but I don't remember the model.

>>62412591
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/sennheiser-hd-471-affordable-sealed-over-ear-headphones

Are there any good wireless headphones that dont cost a ton?
Does wireless sacrifice sound quality?
>>62412498
Reposting from last thread
>Budget
150 euro
>Location
latvia
>Source
both a phone and a PC, would strongly prefer wireless.
>Type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
doesnt matter
>Comfort level
ready to sacrifice a little
>Sound signature
mid centric
Are there any good wireless headphones.
I am ready for heavy compromises to get wireless.

>>62412637
>Are there any good wireless headphones that dont cost a ton?
no
>Does wireless sacrifice sound quality?
yes

>>62412745
as i said.
I need wireless.
i can compromise some sound quality.
170 euro max.

>>62412623
Thanks a lot lad, I think these will do great

>>62412637
>Are there any good wireless headphones that dont cost a ton?
No.
>Does wireless sacrifice sound quality?
Yes. Get good headphones and a bluetooth adapter.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>62412814
>>62412745
Not an option
My PC has no front jack.
My cable solution prevents me from unplugging it.
I plan to use it on my phone just as frequently.
You understand? I won't be able to use them on both devices without wireless.
And my cords frequently get tangled around my chair.
And my last headphones died because my cat destroyed them.
I am not repeating my past mistakes.

>>62412860
What is the second worst shitposter behind the DiPolarDisorder?

Probably you.

>>62412860
Stop fishing for (you)'s, the hd600 isnt the best nor even close

>>62412862
Well then, enjoy your future shitty-sounding overpriced wireless headphones.

>>62412897
I don't have a choice mate.

>>62412889
Dipole doesnt shitpost, he actually knows his shit if you would actually pay attention instead of writing someone off just because they dont agree with you and your precious opinion

>>62412912
t.DiPolar

>>62412860
pic+timestamp.

>>62412946
I would no longer get a free (You) from you in every thread if I did that, so no.

>>62412938
If he posts i can screenshot and prove it but i cant control if he does or not

>>62412994
>i can... prove it
>zero human beings on Earth have the opportunity right now to post from two different IP addresses at the same time

>>62413008
Obviously. But it's better than nothing, atleast im willing to do pic + timestamp, or screenshots. I doubt the same goes for you.

>>62412912
>he actually knows his shit
Not really he didn't even know that voice coils have to be insulated

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They sound pretty good famalams

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I'm returning my TH-X00 because it came with a permanent crease on the headband. I was offered a replacement but I'd rather not risk it again when it's an inherent flaw with the headphone (packaging). Replacing the headband myself was not really an option considering how the warranty probably works, and I figured I might as well cut my losses because holy shit the non-detachable cable was worse than I thought (modding it is a bigger leap too). But I'm stupid with my wallet. I now want to go for TH-900 mk2 instead since it's just $400 more with the eventual $899 sale, so no point buying used in the case. I am just concerned about the build and durability based on my impressions with the TH-X00.

Anyone here have an TH-900 and care to share their experience with the build? Is there a chance that the (identical-looking) headband and hinges might be better built or is it literally the exact same parts? What else is there to the (normal) $1300 price tag than just the urushi cups? Drivers are better matched? Less QC issues? Would the hinges still be a time bomb even if I baby them?

>>62413375
>all this fuss over melanin-enriched shitcans
Why don't you just order headphones that sound good instead?

>>62413375
The lacquer on the th900 cups apparently is very easily damaged/scratched/nicked. If you are worried about the headband on the th-x00 wait until you get your th900 and be constantly stressed out.

Just get another th-x00 and if it has the same issue then get a teak

>>62413375
You fags stare at your headphones more than you listen to them.

>>62413492
stop whining whenever someone buys something other than your precious hd600

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>>62413492
>>62413654
pic related

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I just want to say I bought a pair of Sony MDR-Q68LW on a whim in Akiba and these things are radical for being so compact. I wanted something portable that was over-ear, and the cord is retractable so they don't get tangled.
Downsides are they bleed so much they may as well be speakers, and the retraction mechanisms are very small and I can't vouch for their durability so soon, but the sound quality and size made them definitely worth $30

>>62413511
I might go for the Teak but I'm still trying to find out if they've revised the weird connectors on the headphones with other 2.5mm cables not working due to weird contacts or whatever. I'm not comfortable enough to solder / desolder things on my own, especially on things that are these pricey.

About the lacquer, the headband does bothers me but scratches/nicks won't because I'd just bullshit it as "character" as long as it isn't excessively fragile. Hopefully not as fragile as the finish on a guitar?

>>62413298
Yes, 650 is a great model

>>62413545
can't help it, i just want to collect shit rather than just listen to music now. You might think I'm in denial but I think I'm close to quenching it then I'll move on to speakers or whatever.

if i wasn't being retarded financially with headphones I'd be doing the samething elsewhere like buying a new musical instrument that I'll barely play.

Everything makes my ears too hot, what do?

>>62414118
speakers

>>62414118
If not speakers, look for bigger earpads, velour, or at least perforated leather. AKG's K7 series memory foam earpads are the best I know, everything else about the headphone and the whole propriety earpad cups aside.

or an a/c

>>62414118
You need a water cooling system for ears

>>62414118
ma900

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>>62412938
>>62412994
>>62413008
thanks for sticking up for me familam. F U C K

>>62415503
Nice shop

>>62413059
>I have never said this
>I didn't realize that the voice coil is physically attached to the outer plastic edge of the headphone (which is also a shitty design)
>this somehow makes me incompetent because I thought the extremely thin as fuck wire was just a power lead to the driver
>instead it's an even more shit-tier design from the minds of snapheiser

>>62415531
>Photoshop on a phone

t. Paranoid schizophrenic autist

>>62415541
Backpedal more, mad cuck

>>62413735
KCS75 does the same job for half the price.

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Could someone recommend some new headphones for me please?

I'm currently using Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro. It's the only real pair of headphones I've ever had, so I have no other experience, although I know Sennheiser and Audiotechnica are supposed to be good.

I've had DT 990 for something like 10 years now and it's showing its age. The wire's all stretched out and the ear pads are falling apart. I know I can replace the ear pads, and I've done it before, but eh. I want something new.

The main things I dislike about the DT 990 Pro is the bizarre curly/stretchy wire that I find extremely inconvenient, and the fact that they're open headphones. They leak a lot of sound which is bad for privacy, and also let a lot of external sound in which is bad because I live in a noisy environment.

I want something with good sound, a normal wire (detachable preferred), and closed / good sound isolation. Suggestions?

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>>62415557
>gets fucked
>s-stop backpedaling!

:^) your favorite headphone is plastic garbage pedaled by autists who've never heard anything better.

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>>62415591

>>62415575
depends on budget. The ath-msr7 is my go to for closed can recommendations however.

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>>62415541

>>62415632
>literally posting an image that proved what I stated
>I assumed they were thin as fuck copper leads that were uninsulated because of what I now learned is a clear wax coating
>this turns out to be the voice coil which is even fucking worse.

Top fucking kek.

>>62415620
Thanks, I'll look into those ones

>>62415619
>posts images of my headphone breaking
>before the design revisions that made them more durable
>Sennheiser hasn't revised the design in 20 years to deal with it's durability flaws
>this is somehow good
>M-muh modularity!!

>>62415656
Are you incapable of communicating without meme arrows?

You can clearly see in your own image the voice coil wire yet you thought it would somehow work without being insulated. You point out that the wire is thin when the voice coil wire length determines impedance. You spend all your free time trying to find ways to discredit a headphone because of a stop liking what I don't like mentality.

>>62415553
>>62415656
>>62415674
lol you have anger issues
calm yourself child

>>62415709
>clearly see the voice coil wire
most people would assume those are leads to the drivers considering that's what a typical headphone manufacturer does and not shitheiser
>the wire is thin
Yeah because as I stated I now realize that's a fucking voice coil coated in wax to insulate it.
>spend all my time
The shitty design discredits itself, and the audiophool autists jerk off to it and give it more credit than it's due.

>>62415723
>gets fucked
>You mad brah?

Typical retard response.

>>62415709
>>62415723
He is physically unable to think about the HD600 without getting foaming at the mouth mad. You'd think he's a kid but the saddest thing is that it seems to be a full grown adult peddling this sort of autistic butthurt language. Nevermind that the HD600 is one of THE most neutral headphones in existence.

>>62415805
Oh hey how's it going tiny dick.

Is a multibit DAC worth it as a decent upgrade from a regular $130 dac?

>>62415575
So you want the Custom Studio.

>>62415839
No. Multibit is a meme by all accounts in both objective measurements and 90% of subjective impressions. Schiit is a great company but they do sell unnecessary engineering pet projects.

>>62415575

DT1770 Pro

>>62415839
Yeah, the difference is night and day. People who say otherwise usually either have never heard it or are too poor to afford it.

>>62415568
They don't, though, because they don't have any cable retraction

>>62415869

Thanks

I have a solid state, but want a decent-ish tube amp someday. Budget is up to $1200

Any Recommendations?

>>62415805
>the unironic sennheiser shill that even other sennheiser shills hate is back
>he's so despised that he turns off his trip 3/4ths the time

kys

>>62415839
I compared the modi 2u and modi multi bit for roughly 45 minutes and went with the multi bit. The highs are more natural sounding.

>>62415911
Are we talking for headphones or for speakers?

>>62415885

Do you have one?

What do I look for in headphones/earphones when I'm interested in literally everything. Maybe less of the vocals, but not too much. Mainly the instrumentals. There's always so much going on and I want to hear everything clearly.

>>62415944
I've done demoing. I'll take a pic next time I'm at the schiitr.

>>62415943

Sorry, for headphones.

>>62415920
t. Paranoid schizophrenic

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>>62412498
>Budget
100 USD max

>Location
Washington State

>Source
Normal headphone jack, but quarter inch with adapter is acceptable

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Comfortable for extended periods of time on a large head.

>Sound
Accurate/neutral. I'll fuck with the EQ if I want more bass.

>Durability
Hopefully something that doesn't break if you use them for extended periods of time in bed. Previous headphones I've bought have always broken after laying down with them.

>>62415999
HD471 or Status CB-1

>>62415964
no worries
Little dot mkIII(upgrade the tubes)
Bottlehead crack (spring for the speedball upgrade)
Dark voice 336se(upgrade the tubes)
Schiit Valhalla (spring for RCA clear top tubes for both power and pre)

Woo audio makes great stuff as well, I won't recommend a particular model though because his lineup changes very often. Also, $1200 is a huge budget and I would only suggest spending that much if you have a ridiculously expensive headphone.

>>62415999
Ath-m40x
Status audio cb-1

>>62416039

Cool, thanks I'll look into them.

For tube upgrades/rolling, what are good sites to look?

>Budget
$300-$700
>Location
Seattle, WA, USA
>Source
Straight into desktop, but not opposed to getting a DAC + amp
>Type of headphone
Over-ear
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Hours upon hours
>Sound signature
Neutral, maybe something more fun if it's really good though
>Past headphones
-SRH 840 (love these but the headband fell apart)

Build quality is kind of important to me I guess. Metal and stuff.

>>62416128
Hifiman he-560
Used audeze lcd-2

>>62416128
HD600, excellent build and you will be hated by angry retards everywhere.

>>62416111
Tube Depot
Audiogon

If you want lots of really good tubes (lifetime supplies) for cheap look on eBay for USSR old stock. The Soviets had some of the best tube furnaces and production facilities during the war and used them to build ternary computers and for radio equipment. You can usually find any type you're looking for in bulk.

>>62416170

I wouldn't say that, just don't flaunt one pair of $200 headphones as the be all end all.

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>>62416190
They're $300 and until someone can show me a more neutral headphone in production, I'll continue to flaunt them.

>>62416184

I'll look into it, thanks

Any recommendations?

>Budget
200 USD
>Location
US
>Source
Laptop
>Type of headphone
Over Ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable
>Sound signature
Neutral leaning warm

>>62416253
HD569

>>62416215

Then you paid $100 too much. lol

>>62416278
You have no timeframe for when I bought them. They used to be $500. Current price for non used is $300.

>>62416215
>judging a headphone's neutrality by using a frequency response graph, more specifically a Golden Ears one
are you retarded?

Is there a guide for purchasing DAC + amps? I'm looking for something to go with my DT 990 Pro at around $200 or less.

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>>62416298
Fine, have this one instead.
>>62416348
What ohm model do you have? You're gonna need a lot of EQ to fix that ear rape treble.

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https://canpicker.com/

Taking more detailed comments on headphones. Drop some comments if you've owned any of these. Scavenged the only suggestions from the gentooman wiki and merged them in.

>>62416367
250 ohm

>>62416039
>Bottlehead crack
it's too clean for a tube amp, especially with the speedball

>>62416418
O2/ODAC, Monoprice headphone amp, FX DAC X6

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>>62416215
BTFO

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>>62416524
Hahaha, nice one

>>62415999
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/sennheiser-hd-471-affordable-sealed-over-ear-headphones

>>62416471
most well designed OTLs tend to have a much cleaner sound than output transformer tube amps, with only a tinge of tube warmth in the form of some midrange bloom.

>>62416524
That's pretty clearly less neutral in the bass and the treble.

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>the HD600 were first introduced in 1994 as the HD580
>it is 23 years later
>they are still the best full-sized headphones in the world at any price
Why?

what's the HD600 IEM equivalent?

What's the second best IEM equivalent to the HD 600?

>>62416779
The HD600 if you try real hard

>>62416779
Etymotic Research ER4SR almost sounds as good

>>62416779
ER4SR
>>62416833
ER4SR is honestly the best sounding headphone of any type, any price.

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>>62416833
>>62416870
Difference between the ER4S? And how does it compare to the ER4P/HF5 (they are apparently the same)?
Pic related looks pretty neutral for the ER4P.

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>>62416879
>Difference between the ER4S?
Much more durable. Sounds the same.
>how does it compare to the ER4P/HF5
More accurate/neutral. ER4P and HF5 are dark.

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>>62416879
>>62416925
Older, compensated ER4S measurement from before GE used to use a bass-boosted compensation curve.

>>62416925
I see then. How to the ER4P and the HF5 compare then?

>>62416960
That's pretty impressive.

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>>62412564
Idol trash goes take a nap.

>>62416348
>>62416418
Schiit Stack (Modi2/Magni2), MDA/DAC X6

>>62417026
>How to the ER4P and the HF5 compare then?
They sound essentially the same.

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>>62417100
Then would you say the following graph is faulty or accurate?

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>>62417039
OK, before leaving, I'm dropping this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=257nWvgcGhI

>>62417026
>That's pretty impressive.
ER4S/ER4SR are as close as any headphones of any type at any price come to accurate to the diffuse field curve without sounding excessively bright. Perfectly neutral to diffuse field curve will sound bright. ER4B are technically more accurate than ER4S, but when Etymotic released the ER4B most people found them too bright. ER4S was the response to people finding the ER4B too bright.
Most hi-fi speaker enthusiasts will not equalize their systems to ruler-flat because ruler-flat speaker systems will also be perceived by most to be bright. A common way of dealing with this brightness is a slight reduction in treble response, as is preferred by Bob Katz, who has mastered three Grammy-winning albums: https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/katzs-corner-episode-17-perfecting-perfection
>It's corrected to my preferred "target", which is flat from 20 Hz to 1 kHz, and a little more than 6 dB down at 20 kHz.
This description of Katz' preferred speaker tuning essentially describes the ER4S in relation to the diffuse field curve. This sound signature is extremely natural and balanced sounding without sounding bright or dark.

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>>62417119
I'd say that this comparison was likely measured with more consistent, comparable seals.

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>this triggers the tripcuck

>>62417223
A 15 dB boost at 5.5 kHz would make it sounds WAY too bright. Not a very convincing frequency response graph.

>>62417279
Flat on Headroom graphs will sound bright. We know. Your complaint about Headroom's compensation curve is valid, yet has no bearing on that image's validity as demonstrating the similarity between the HF5 and ER-4P.

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>>62417279
>>62417312
Raw, if it makes you feel any better. The point is the comparison.

>>62417312
Oh, right. It was just an unrelated comment.
Would you say Golden Ears is actually accurate then?

>>62417372
GE's measurements in general are credible. As for the discrepancy in comparison between >>62417119 and >>62417223 there are a number of possible reasons for that. See:
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/technologically-impressive-lcd-4-planar-magnetic-headphone-manufacturers-comments
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/head-fi-contradicts-innerfidelity-sony-mdr-z1r-measurements?page=1
tl;dr: Different measurements using different measurement systems can vary drastically for many different reasons. It's complicated.

>>62417445
Thanks. I forgot to add, one of my doubts about this graph >>62417119 is the 5 dB boost at 2 kHz. Would you say that boost actually exists or was it just a faulty measure?

>>62417484
It's not bright at 2 kHz. That measurement is clearly not sealed properly, a problem all measurement sites seem to have from time to time.

>>62416215
SRH1440, SRH1840, ER4SR.

What do I win?

>>62416399
It's a nice idea but it's always difficult describing sound with words.

I recently had my Sennheiser OCX 686G go through the washing machine.

Can anyone recommend any other good sport headphones. I like the over ear clip for when I go jogging (Im confident its not going to go anywhere)

Id prefer to keep it in the $50-100 range as I treat them like shit and am always losing the rubber nubs off them

Id prefer to keep away from wireless at this stage

>>62417238
>HD650 on top
>not HD600

dumb redditors and muh warmth

>>62412498
MISAKI IN DA HOUSE

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>>62417238
>no dt880

>>62417645
Distortion cannons, and the last is an IEM. Don't know I've ever seen anyone here who owned any shure non-IEM headphone other than the 1540.

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>>62417837
Yes the distortion is high but they are more neutral than the HD600 since neutrality is based on ISO Diffuse field equalization.

>>62417893
It's a technicality of course, since they're not good headphones whatsoever and obviously nobody here recommends them, but I'll give that one to you.

whatchu guys use to clean ya fluffy earmuffs like on the 770's

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>>62417837
>>62417893
ER4SR do not exhibit high/audible distortion.

>>62418032
Soft toothbrush to remove deadskin. I don't use anything besides warm water. Seems to work for me.
>>62418033
They're referring to the Shures.

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>>62418033

>>62412578
Sony MDR 7506

>>62417793
Well, yeah. It says best, not most ear-rapey.

>>62417696
KSC75

>>62418051
>to remove deadskin.
the problem for me is sweat; it can get hot in my room and i start to sweat and the fluffy earmuffs make me sweat even more. I'll give the toothbrush and warm water a shot though

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I know you guys are gonna hate on me but I managed to a pair of beatsx and while I used to hate the brand I am blown away by these.
>Wireless
It's only a portable headphone and I encode my music to 320kbps for it so I can't tell the lack of quality. Having no wire is incredible.
>Sound
I own a dt990(modded+eq), Sony xba h1, and takstar pro 80. The mids on these blow them all out of the water. They sound like liquid gold instead of mud like my sonys. The bass and mids are just tuned so damn well. Treble sounds like it's maybe 4 or 5 db short but overall I love the sound.
>Build
They're light, comfortable as fuck, and charge fast.

I got them on sale for $70. Very happy with the purchase.

>>62418737
Beats are surprisingly decent these days, although they're obviously inevitably niggerbass.

>>62418016
>>62417893
neutral fags and purists astound me. just eq a headphone to neutral that has low thd. you'll get better results than buying a can that is close to neutral

>>62418754
>what is anime ace font
anon pls

>>62418902
The HD600 has low THD and is a good candidate for EQ. The next step up (above these there will be no real distortion improvements except perhaps the SR-009) would be HD800, LCD-2, SRS-3100, or Elear.

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>>62418953
>The HD600 has low THD
except it has a lot of 2nd harmonic bass distortion

>>62419047
2nd harmonic is the hardest to hear especially in the bass frequencies, so it's a minor issue at best.

>>62418922
I wasn't trying to match the font, but OK.

>>62419101
Not to mention THD is not a reliable indicator of audibility. KSC75 don't sound distorted when EQ'd to flat subbass/bass and they have more measurable THD than HD600.

>>62419146
THD isn't a perfectly reliable indicator, but it's a fairly good indicator because you most likely won't get a headphone with 10% THD and 8% 7th order harmonic distortion.

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>>62418789
The bass is entirely reasonable on this specific model. The way the bass and the mids are laid out in the frequency response sounds nearly ideal to my ears. I would like to add a couble of DB to the treble but for some reason foobar2000 on android doesn't have a parametric EQ and my desktop doesn't have bluetooth.

>>62419238
what site is that?

>>62419238
Use neutron, it's got PEQ. rtings is on a niggerbass curve, and it has boost on top of that. Maybe you just want to let out your inner daquan.

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>>62419238

>>62419303
>>62419299

I can't find any other measurements though?

>>62419311
Rtings has the raw measurement, which should show a bass boost (5dB in your case). That's just single motherhood, not crack cocaine and stealing bikes tier nigger.

>>62419292
rtings

>>62419336
Well why is their target wrong? I figured it was the harman target thing?

>>62419336
Flat to rtings/harman target is at least purple drank-tier.

>>62419375
Harman is a preference curve, it's not based on objective measurement so it is "wrong". You might personally like a bit of KFC now and then though, nothing wrong with that.

>>62419381
>>62419336
You guys are crazy every one likes bass

>>62419375
>bass boost derived from listening preferences non-loudness-compensated test, meaning boosting the bass boosted the overall volume
>listener preference for louder music is well-established

~~~/hpg/ GUIDE TO HEADPHONES 2017~~~

>sub $600 budget
SHP9500
>$600 budget
stax lambda
>$600+
just get speakers

>>62419393
I don't like any more bass, mids or treble than what is accurate. That doesn't mean I don't like bass, mids or treble. I like bass, mids and treble.

>>62419397
This is a non-argument because if your assumptions were correct, they would've boosted the treble as well, which clearly didn't happen. The proper conclusion is that most people like to collect welfare and smack their lips on occasion.

>>62419426
You sound stuck up man

>>62419421
>stax lambda
hahahaha

>>62419480
wanna know how i know you're a poorfag who's never heard a pair of stax before

>>62419421
Modded m1060 and a nfb11 is the cheapest way to get a real hifi experience.
SHP9500 is poor fag tier but god tier value.
Fostex thx00 for fun

>>62419421
Don't you have to buy a certain amp for the stax? Wouldn't really be a $600 budget at that point.

>>62419421
I agree with the SHP9500s. They are THE best headphone money can buy unless you're willing to dish out some major dosh. HD600s are so boring to listen to, literally 0 soundstage.

>>62419494
>he thinks stax lambdas are good

lol

>>62419430
Boosted treble sounds like shit, though. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/do-objective-headphone-measurements-correlate-to-the-audiophiles-subjective-experience.614631/ found that excessive treble was the number one cause of people rating headphones poorly.
There is probably a combination of preference for louder bass and preference for louder music occurring here. I strongly suspect that if the Harman test was done in a loudness-compensated manner that the resulting curve would have a bass boost in-between flat and the existing one.

>>62419719
Your suspicions are just suspicions. The most likely conclusion is that niggerness has infused into our culture and headphones.

>>62419765
When Sean Olive himself points to the non-loudness-compensated test as being a limitation of research because listeners may have boosted bass and treble simply because it made the music louder, that's clearly sufficient reason to doubt the precision of the target's bass boost.

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>>62416128
At $700, I would recommend getting at least an amp along with the headphones, if not a dac and amp. It makes buying new cans easier later on, as you wont need to worry about impedance issues. The basic schiit stack is like $220 and is all you will really need unless you want to get really picky about your sound.

I recommend a schiit stack and then either He400/560 or HD600/650, depending on what you want and are willing to spend.

>>62412912
>he actually knows his shit if you would actually pay attention

>hurr durr snap heehee hifiman is great look at muh speakers poopie SNAP lol [insert one of three snap pics]

sure

>>62420025
Differences between the he560 and 400i?

>>62419883
or you could look in the consumer market and see niggerbass can after niggerbass can and draw your conclusion from there
i think that argument has more weight than 'muh loudness'

>>62413492
>melanin enriched niggerbass!

anyone who says this doesn't actually own any headphones

>>62420205
If only he would abandon his trip and become a welcome member of the thread

>>62413375
how is the comfort and sound on them? I was considering getting them used on ebay

>>62420242
lol his butthurtposting would be way to obvious even still
nobody has as short of a fuse as that dude

>>62415999
shure srh440. xpt100/HM5

m40x is uncomfortable and bassy. status cb-1 has bad build and is warm/bassy.

>>62420225
>or you could look in the consumer market and see niggerbass can after niggerbass can
There's a reason for this and it has nothing to do with the precise statistical average of user listening preference. Most people don't actually have a strong preference for sound quality. Most people don't really care all that much about sound quality. Most people are happy as long as their audio equipment "has good bass."
It's a lot easier and costs a lot less in R&D to make headphones that "have good bass" (the easy way to do this is simply make sure the bass is really loud and put zero effort into tuning the mids and treble) than it is to make headphones that actually sound good. So, most headphones end up simply having very loud bass with little to zero R&D going into mids and treble.

>>62420494
>it has nothing to do with the precise statistical average of user listening preference
But then you go on to say
>Most people don't actually have a strong preference for sound quality
Which is exactly the point, the plebs love the niggerbass.

>>62420520
It really just has to be as loud or louder than the mids or treble for the plebs to be happy. It just has to be there. The easy way to do this is to just make it really loud so you don't have to put any R&D into making sure the mids or treble don't overwhelm the bass. Hence, the majority of headphones have really loud bass. It's the easy, cheap way out for headphone companies but it doesn't necessarily reflect anything more than a user preference for bass that is at least as loud as the mids and treble.

>>62420553
That's unsubstantiated nonsense. You can't make a jump from "loud bass is cheap" to "users want bass that's this specific loudness".

>>62420565
It's the truth. When people say "it needs to have good bass," they don't necessarily mean the bass needs to be booming like Keantay's car subwoofer you can hear a mile away. They just mean they don't want it to sound like tiny TV speakers, or an old AM radio from a 1960's automobile, or a shitty little portable bluetooth speaker. This phenomenon goes back to the old days when tinny little speakers/headphones with zero bass were the norm almost everywhere in all facets of life. It used to be that audio reproduction with neutral-to-enhanced bass response was the exception rather than the rule, and because of this it became engrained in the public perception that "good bass" = good audio, because it was rare for audio reproduction to have "good bass" and thus audio reproduction with "good bass" really was good audio for the time. This perception has stuck with the public into the present time where boosted bass audio reproduction is now the norm rather than the exception.

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I got a set of Audio Technica ESW9s second-hand in great condition except... the cable is fucked. Sound only works in one earphone. That's why I got 'em for free.

I've never repaired a cable before and they're out of warranty. Is this worth figuring out how to do? If I'm doing cable surgery I might want to replace the whole cable with something thicker/cloth-coated instead of thin/rubber-coated (I think that's why it broke so easy, previous user said she just caught her hand in the "Y" split that rested near her neck when she wore them).

They sure look fancy enough.

>>62420626
>This perception has stuck with the public into the present time where boosted bass audio reproduction is now the norm rather than the exception.
Yes exactly, plebs love niggerbass.

>>62420677
If you are attempting to make a leap in logic from "all plebs are concerned with is being able to hear the bass well" to "plebs will prefer very strongly boosted bass in a loudness-compensated listening test," this leap is unwarranted.

>>62420696
You're making the leap of logic here. It should be obvious that people are used to hearing niggerbass and have adjusted to it, so it will sound better for them. Don't be overthink it anon, sometimes the simplest solution is the correct one.

>>62419646
the L700 sounds fucking amazing, what's your issue?

does anyone on here use PowerAmp? If yes, is it me or does music sounds less bassier with that app? Or maybe it's the phone?

>>62420710
A 1986 study found strong statistical correlation between flat, smooth amplitude response of speakers and listener preference: https://web.archive.org/web/20110817215727/http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/20110817/5270.pdf
>Listeners, it seems, like the sound of loudspeakers with a flat, smooth wideband on-axis amplitude response that is maintained at substantial angles off axis.
Public acclimatization to boosted-bass audio in the decades since this study may, indeed, be partially responsible for the bass boost in the Harman study. I do feel, however, that it is exceedingly unlikely that well-established listener preference for louder music did not play any role in the Harman target's bass boost.

>>62420982
Part 1 of that study for anyone interested: https://web.archive.org/web/20110916073347/http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/20110916/5276.pdf

>>62420801
So does the KSC75, what's your issue?

>>62421065
what do you own?

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>>62420991
Interesting to see that paper reference this target curve and attribute it to H. Moller, who developed the most accurate eardrum diffuse field response currently available in 2008 by averaging the eardrum responses of 47 subjects.
I equalize my speakers to this curve and it sounds fucking magnificent.

>>62421212
This curve is a reasonable, great-sounding compromise between flat (bright) and Harman target (dark).

>>62421408
>Harman target (dark)
t. treblehead

>>62421453
>I show appreciation for a curve that has louder bass and mids than treble
>this apparently makes me a treblehead

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Anyone still use these anymore?

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>>62421525
Fuck outta here, those are for the plebs.

Where do I go from ATH AD700

where to find good guality music mega links(or everything but torrent)

>>62420669
where you got them for free ?

>>62412862
Just get a dac/amp combo and place it by your keyboard or simular? That,s what i do. I even have 2x cables. One for phone and one for computer.

>>62417711
>dumb redditors and muh warmth
Massdrop @ top left. They ran a HD650 (HD6xx) massdrop, therefore a lot of these people have these and so vote these.

>>62420242
>>62420254
>"no one has that short of a fuse"
>he literally starts a shitposting war every time he posts pictures of snapped Sennheiser headphones
>he triggered someone so bad that he caused them to make a trip
>this person is so fucking retarded that he pissed off other sennheiser shills by his own retardation(sennshill)
>he is now forced to turn his trip off in 80-90% of these threads because almost everyone has filtered him(sennshill)
>your average anon here alternates between shitposting graphs they don't understand the measurements of but they feel fits their ideal representation of their headphone or actively spamming recommendations of headphones they haven't even tried before let alone own
>your average anon that posts here barely understands a single aspect of sound but will repeatedly post a scientific study that they feel fits their story of what the "perfect" headphone should sound like/measure like even though this is something completely subjective to the individual and almost never consistent between people due to several factors of human hearing
>average anon thinks thinks that no sub-bass and a roll off at 100hz is accurate bass
>average anon thinks flat bass/2db boosted bass is nigger bass
>average anon thinks that rolled off treble is perfect treble
>flat or slightly boosted treble is ear rape
>casual racism and rape jokes over headphones

I'm just glad I can filter plebspotters when he starts the shitposting wars. it's annoying that I have to fill the filter with every shitty buzzword and non argument post flags that pop up here. /hpg/ is the cess pool of /g/. it has become much worse than /ptg/ and really shows the raw, gaping incompetence that most audio enthusiasts engage in within this hobby. in some twist of irony, the average objective based anons here have become more annoying than the snakeoil magic pebbles and anaconda cable audiophools on headfi, by unironically ignoring modern psychoacoustics models and evidence.

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So, I got a Tritton Kunai headset for free, and although the sound was ok, it wasn't great. (Can't expect perfection out of a ~60 USD headset though.) But, I took the covers off of them (pic related) and suddenly bass was deeper and richer, and sounds were much clearer. Anyone know why?

tl;dr I got a shitty gaymer headset and the plates on the back of the earphones come off making it sound better. Why?

>>62423174
Maybe the shitty gamer headset is based on an open headphone, and they just covered its back because shitty gamer headset.
Or maybe it's not, but it still happens to behave better that way, because they just didn't put any thought into it.
TL;DR: Get a true open back, such as the HD600, or HD579 if you can't afford that.

should i get 558 or 579. Complete noob here. Mostly for music and games for long periods of time

>>62423801
HD579. They sound better (identical to HD599, improved bass extension and more controlled treble vs HD598) and they're more durable (have the new headband/general body, whereas HD558 has the lesser version of the old 5xx body).

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>>62412498
Been using Etymotic HF5's since December last year and they're perfect. People complain that the wires come loose from the earbuds, the wiring starts ripping apart, etc. I've been using the carrying pouch that the earbuds came with and it has worn at all. Tips on these earbuds though is to insert them upside down and wrap the wire around your ear then bring the adjustment strap to your neck and leave a little room. Takes care of absorbing the vibrations from the wire moving around. I suggest using this over the clip because the clip could potentially rip up the wire unsheathing it. Also use foam tips over flange. It just doesn't cut nearly as much noise out compared to foam.

Bump for this >>62420805

>>62425019
Do you equalize them?

>>62425494
Nah, I like to keep things at a neutral sound for maintaining the intended sound of an artists music.

>>62425019
Do you have these? Some anon says they bring the HF5s to close to 100ohm to be like the ER4S www.ebay.com/itm/301984920451

>>62425019
and you ask the ebay seller for custom made 82ohm. I ordered some the other day but I guess two weeks shipping.

will beats studio3 wireless be meem or okay?

>>62425650
I ask because the HF5 is not neutral, and therefore don't represent the intended sound of an artist's music.

>>62412498
>Anime
Hi!
Go to hell.

Just bought a plenue d for on the go
Tell me I didn't fuck up

£30 earbuds, listen to rap, location UK - comfort doesn't apply since I'll be using third party rubber parts

>>62426701
Nice

>>62426936
thanks

>>62426951
Just kidding. Get a pair of Panasonic RP-HJE120-K. They're pretty good considering their price. Has a good amount of bass but doesn't cut out the highs, so it's good for your tastes in music.

>>62426976
thanks homie

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>>62415591
How does this even happen, I've used my 650s all day everyday for 4 years, dropped them probably hundreds of times, stepped on them and even sleep with them on.

just ordered some new cushions though

>>62423155
>actually complaining about casual racism and rape jokes
>on 4chan
I don't think you belong here.

>>62427795
I don't understand either, I can only imagine it's mostly idiots who want to see how far apart they'll stretch

>>62427795
Fat and stupid people

>>62412498
Cheapest highest quality earphones on market?

Sub £20

>tfw bought E-Mu Teaks
The sound demos sounded really good and overall they had really good reviews, but now I'm hearing things like
>melanin enriched bass and treble rape
and other people saying
>no bass and sibilant

Have any of you tried them? Did I just make a mistake?

>>62428442
Apple IEM

>>62428629
If you like them, buy them and enjoy it. Sound is highly subjective and there's no such thing as neutral for everyone.

If you don't just buy what you like based on personal experience, you'll end up like the retards here who bought the hd600s without listening to them first and exclusively listen to idol trash, K-pop, j-pop and top 40 trash.

>"you've gotta let your ears adjust bro"
>"they don't wow you at first but you'll warn up to them"
>"eventually they sound better"
Translation: I use post purchase rationalization to cope with the fact that I blew $250-$300 on headphones I don't like the sound of.

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Is there anything with better mids than the HD600?

>>62428989
Speakercucks eternally btfo :^)

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>>62428989
Idol trash here. Also interested.

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>>62428989
of course there is

>>62428629
I own them, what do you want to know?

>>62429168
headphonecucks eternally btfo :^)

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Hey /hpg/ I am curious, what are the headphones in pic related, do you recognise any of them ?

>>62428989
audeze or stax. but a lot of things are better if you're trying to get rid of your sennheiser house veil :^)

>>62429392
akg q701, beats, mdr-1a/r, I forget what the left one is, or the pink one

>>62425019
any other good IEMs besides these? I was looking at the KZ ZS5s for a while but I'm afraid of getting ripped off if the build quality is cheap.

>Budget
<$600
>Location
USA
>Source
PC, DAC+amp that can drive up to 600ohms
>Type of headphone
Full sized/Over ear
>Open or closed
Either
>Comfort level
Comfort is really important
>Sound signature
V shaped or neutral with decent bass. Will be used for movies music and games
>Past headphones
DT770Pro (liked), Audioquest nighthawk(did not like)

>>62429597
>$600
>V shaped or neutral with decent bass
the best V shaped headphones available are the fostex variants and they are pretty much a direct upgrade to any v-shaped can you can think of

>>62429368
Are they comfy?
How drastic is the V-shape? I don't want my mids to disappear.
Also when I heard them, they sounded almost liquidy and smooth. Is that how they really sound?

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>>62429392
Glad people here are watching idol anime.
Little by little.

>>62429706
the teak is known for their "liquid" mids and a closed can that doesn't compromise it's soundstage. you made a right choice out of all the fostex versions. yes, that is how they sound. I use them way more than my lcd-2. they were a little sibilant coming from the audeze but then I realized it's pretty much an energetic lcd-2. the treble is hot and the bass kicks.. then I got used to them and now the lcd-2 is boring and I'm always tempted to sell it.

>Also when I heard them
I think you're just nervous buying a headphone that costs a decent chunk of $$$. I would stop worrying, every teak owner I've known, myself included, end up loving their teak to death.

it's okay. not that comfy because the pads are meh, but once you slap some angle pads on it (an attenuater is needed to preserve the bass energy) they are fucking awesome. clamp is too light though so the nvx angled pads are the best. they are also cheap af at $20, and they are more comfortable than my $50 lambskins on the teak

Any decent wireless IEMs for working out? Need them for using the rowing machine so they gotta have some decent noise cancellation going on.

>>62429597
>V shaped or neutral with decent bass. Will be used for movies music and games
In that case, K712, Fidelio x2, planars. Fostex is good too, but not really for gaming

>>62429392
What type of music do cute anime girls listen to?

>>62429597
A template for a HD600 answer, pretty much.

>>62429980
>A template for a HD600 answer, pretty much.
HD650 fits his requirements much better than the hd600 because it has bass and soundstage. why would you __ever__ rec an hd600 other than to meme?

>>62430014
>because it has bass
So does HD600, although slightly less, in exchange for being more neutral.
>and soundstage
So does HD600,.
>why would you __ever__ rec an hd600
Because, among those two, it is the better headphone.
Because, since it's the most neutral and well balanced of the two, it'll sound better to most people in most situations.
Because it's also cheaper, to top that off.

>>62430014
Never heard of the HD650 having a bigger soundstage.

>>62429930
>>62430052
this guy's rec's are much better than yours. you guys need to stop reccing the hd600 for literally everything
>I want an v shaped or something good for movies (aka bass and great soundstage/width)
>hd600!!!
these are people's money, not yours, and you're not recommending the best for the scenario they are asking for.

>buy hd650
>Listen to only shoegaze and dream pop
Woops

>>62430118
>k712
Niggerbass + rollercoaster midrange + AKG "comfort". No.
>fidelio x2
Colored AF, bassy, not comparable really.
>and you're not recommending the best for the scenario they are asking for.
I am. The more neutral headphones, such as the HD600 (which I own and use for everything, pretty much), are the most well-suited for GENERAL PURPOSE use, thanks to their accuracy.
There's all sorts of headphones out there, like those that emphatise soundstage (which make everything sound far away), highlight treble and/or bass, and so on.
Ultimately, as harman did research, most people prefer a more neutral response, and coloring will make some songs sound good while making everything else worse.
The HD600 are recommended a lot because they're neutral, they're good, they're well-balanced with no major flaws, they're comfortable for prolonged usage, durable, well-build, modular with all parts easily replaceable and, above everything else, absurdly good performance for the price.
Not just because somebody or another is a shill and/or hates everything else. I just wish there were plenty of alternatives available. r70x is about the only reasonably priced set that comes to mind, and unfortunately has somewhat weak bass, like most audio technica open offerings.

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just bought these- how fucked am I?

>>62430264
>The more neutral headphones
>GENERAL PURPOSE use
there you go projecting your preference for headphone onto others. did he ask for general purpose use? did you ever stop to think he doesn't want a general purpose headphone? no? okay. opinion discarded

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>>62430300
>did you ever stop to think he doesn't want a general purpose headphone?
OK, so he wants movies, music and games. How much more general purpose than that can you even get?

>>62430336
okay. you're right on this one then. this is my mistake, I didn't see the word music I just saw "movies and games". I concede but I still think there are better preferences for his taste considering he likes the beyerdynamics

>>62430336
>hd600
>hard to drive, mid centric, narrow soundstage open back headphone
>"general purpose"
>OP asked for v shaped or bassy with a wide soundstage for movies or games
>you fucking recommend the complete opposite.

Okay sennshill you can stop.

>>62430380
>he likes the beyers
If he likes the DT770, he's going to love the HD600, pretty much. More and better defined bass, more controlled treble (while still being slightly bright), flatter midrange, far better imaging (easier to detect and position instruments, what going on around you in games, and so on), actual soundstage (as expected of open, although it only sounds very wide if the song was meant to be in the first place).
They do everything better, pretty much. The DT770, like the DT880 and DT990, are simply outclassed by the HD600.

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How about we argue about non poorfag headphones.
DT-1990 vs HD800?

>>62430336
>so he wants movies, music and games
yet has asked for decent bass, and you still rec HD600s

>>62430464
>hd600
>"better bass"
>good SS
just stop. coming off the 770s, he'll think the 600s are boring

>>62430464
fostex series are better than the hd600 overall except for being "colored"

>>62430464
okay sennshill you can stop now

>>62430481
>DT-1990
Literally DT990 with a higher price tag.
>>62430491
>fostex
Sure, but as always with coloring, hit or miss depending on person, what kind of music and so on and so on.
I'll always suggest getting something neutralish first before going down that path.
>>62430489
>decent bass
He's likely ok with his DT770. Even the HD598 do better than the DT770 on bass, honestly.
>he asked
For either neutral "with decent bass" or v-shaped, unless I can't even read anymore.
HD600 do have decent bass, unlike r70x. And while HD650 have a tiny bit more bass, they are dark, and as he's asked specifically for neutral or v-shaped and he's also coming from bright beyers, it'd probably be a terrible idea to suggest those.

>>62430563
okay sennshill you can stop now

>>62430563
>hit or miss depending on person
and this person specifically requested v shaped, so he knows what signature he likes.

>>62430563
>>62430464
>>62430336
>>62430264
>>62430052

>this level of brand shilling and autistic obsession with one headphone

>>62430563
>decent bass
could you define what this means, sennshit?

>>62430636
the guy recommending hd600s to someone who wants a v shaped wide soundstage headphone is the exact reason why /hpg/ needs to be permabanned from /g/.

>>62430726
quarantine them to a sennheiser general

>>62429597
HE400i, HE560, Used HD800

>Budget
3k
>Location
USA
>Source
Need one based on budget
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter.
>Comfort level
Yes
>Sound signature
I listen to edm and videogame/anime ost.
>Past headphones
DT770Pro Q701 K240s NVX Audio XPT100

>>62431040
HD600

>>62431109
What about source?

>>62431040
easy, stax L700

Went to Best Buy to check out mechanical keyboards today. Tried Bose QC35 and Sony MDR-1000x in the process. QC35 sound surprisingly good and are very comfy. MDR-1000x sound like ass.

>>62431040
Audeze LCD-2 or LCD-X + Audeze deckard (LCD-3/4 have higher distortion)

HD800S + HDVA600 + Modi2U

STAX L700 + SRM353X + Modi2U

Other headphones: Focal Elear, Ether Flow
Other DAC/amps: Schiit Jotunheim, JDSLabs El stack

>>62430726
>the guy recommending hd600s to someone who wants a v shaped wide soundstage headphone
False flagger. Probably DiPolar.

>>62430285
NiggaBass and dark as fuck. Tennmak Pro is essentially an improved take on the SE215 but cheaper.

>>62431442
There was an anon here who had +15dB bass boost on his SE215 in addition to the default niggerbass. Really makes you think.

>>62412637
Seconding this request.

>>62431321
nah it's sennshill

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Is there anything worse than a hd800 owner?

>>62431306
not surprised. The mdr-1000x are bass cannons. Not even "nigger bass" meming right now, something along the lines of +25db at 40-120hz

>>62431309
I definitely like the look of the LCD-X. I'll have to read around about how they sound. They look rather small though, I had a real problem with the XPT100 because they hurt my ears, so I returned them. Thanks for the suggestion.

>>62431649
>They look rather small though
They are extremely large headphones actually

>>62431483
Mud City

>>62412498
>Budget
£60
>location
Britbong
>type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Dont really give a fuck
>Comfort level
Decent
>Past headphones
ATH-M30X (current),Sony MDR-V55

>>62431649
LCDs are massive, and really heavy. I don't mind because I'm not a pussy but that does seem to be an issue with some people (maybe not you though).

>>62431976
I'm not really sure how the weight would be, I just don't want them to squeeze my lobes.

>>62430481
HD600

>>62431649
Watch the sound demos zeos did of the lcd-x and the L700. Absolutely shits on the x and every one headphone he has recorded

>>62428989
ER-4S

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>>62431540

>>62428989
Where from you've got this image?

Tech illiterate here.

I'm currently considering to buy either the Sennheiser Momentum Over-Ear Wireless or the Bowers & Wilkins P7. What one should I pick, or any suggestions if my picks are crap? I'm going for a pair of portable, closed headphones with a bassy/neutral sound signature.

>>62432445 new thread

>>62431957
scratch that £130 is the budget

what do you guys think of the sennheiser HD 598s?