/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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First for Source Mage GNU/Linux.

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Hey guys,
I would like to jump on the linux wagen.
What kind of version should I get my hands dirty with at the start? I am really confused with all those versions available - Ubuntu, Arch, Debian, Kali...etc. Any difference?
I got an old HP laptop that suffers from Vista, just lying around - it should be a good cure for it and hopefully help me learn...

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>>62407144
I am sorry i just cannot stand Richard. I like his message on "Free Software" but if you look at his fucking website it's just cancer.

He's a commie that deserves a free helicopter ride.

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>>62407454
Fucking hell it just keeps getting worse.

>>62407454
Go back to school, kid.

>>62407436
install gentoo

>>62407454
>>62407487
You are part of the problem

>>62407454
Your underage is showing.

>>62407436
>I would like to jump on the linux wagen.
>What kind of version should I get my hands dirty with at the start?
4.13.1

>>62407487
http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

>>62407436

>>62407436
Ubuntu: it's based on Debian and designed for the average user, so it will probably work out of the box.
Arch: The opposite of Ubuntu. Comes barebones. It is kind of a DIY distro were you configure everything yourself. Packages are bleeding edge. There are Installers which do some of the configuration for you, but don't expect everything to work out of the box
Kali: Collection of Tools for pentesters. Only use if you are an pentester

Other distros you may want to use:
Fedora, OpenSuse
Just try one. Ubuntu is a good start. I suggest to use Cinnamon as your Desktop Environment. It is very Windows like and works and looks good without configuration. There is a flavor of Ubuntu that has it preinstalled

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>>62407436
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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>>62407836
>>62408020
Thank you for the kind replies.

I have some background with programming and system knowladge but it is quite limited.
I am thinking about changing to Linux to expand my reach with different aspects since I have been of Windows this whole time.
I am not looking for a replacement but rather a new expirence and challenge.
So what comes in mind:
1. I don't want to be spoon-fed and try a windows-similar distro. What should I try first? (that's eliminates Ubuntu I guess?)
2. What is the difference between flavors and DEs?

Is LFS worthwhile? Does it actually teach you properly how Linux works?

>>62407271
Second for the wizards

>>62408243
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>62408243
1) Install Arch or /g/'s favorite meme distro. I run Hannah Montana Linux and Black Arch.
2) Distros have a base kernel, packages, libraries and other such stuff added on top. Someone just took the time to create a list of software and then create an installer with the software prepackaged.

>>62408243
install ubuntu
>>62408260
Mot much, reading documentations teaches alot more. If you want something interesting to read for a start, check out the pseudo-filesystem Linux uses (proc), learn how to manage modules, compile your own Linux customized to your needs.

>>62408335
Get the fuck out of here with your niche distro no one is gonna use.

>>62408260
>Is LFS worthwhile?
No, use Source Mage GNU/Linux.
It's LFS with a package manager.

>>62408366
Wow, rude.

2021 is going to be the year of Wine/Linux

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>>62408366
>never heard of it
>nobody uses it

>>62407271
New to linux, what is source mage? is it a program or a distro?

>>62408388
>Be a true wizard
>No time for commoners
1&2>/dev/null

>>62408389
It's a source based distro, like Gentoo, but quite different.
It's more friendly than Gentoo.

>>62408389
Pretty nice source based system (like Gentoo) with many neat things. Much stuff is written in bash, even the package manager, which makes it easy to hack the whole thing to your needs.

>>62408409
i like his hat, certainty makes him more friendly

>>62408243
First try a net installer, or netinstall. Is any barebones installation of a distro. Do't go for Arch, go either for Ubuntu Server or Devuan.

As you are a programmer the proper difference between DEs is at the core the selection of bundled software, but for normies would be the "look and feel". You can make any DE yourself by selection window managers, file managers, etc.

Also check the proper way of programming in a GNU/Linux environment https://pastebin.com/SRZakc07

>>62408366
>>62408382
I only advise SMGL for advanced users.

Anyone using neovim? What plugins do you use if any?
Are all vim plugins compatible?

I just want to have a simple setup with the project tree (I think nerdtree does this?), nice tabbing (maybe just need to learn buffers), some kind of way to debug/lint if relevant to language.

>>62408426
>>62408409
Is it one of the system's that "just werk". im building a budget PC, that i intended to use for both learning Linux and gaming (not sure if im just gonna tough it out with WINE or go Dual boot, or do a GPU pass through) and so far it seems like VOID would be the best to do it with, but ill take any advice people are willing to give.

Does anyone here run a comfy dual-boot setup where you can just pick up where you left off, regardless of which OS you booted from?
Like having Firefox profiles, qbittorrent data and stuff like that all synced between GNU/Linux and Windows?

Is something like this doable?

>>62408389
Pure source based distro, maybe is like gentoo in some areas but is more flexible and barebones (yes, is possible). Pretty nifty if you are a developer actually, as you can track every package that goes in your computer and other magic tricks.

>>62408455
install ubunut

GPU pass through is a meme to trick Wintards into Loonix and nobody on /g/ ever managed to make it work, proof me wrong.

>>62408455
Well, you do need to have some knowledge before you try SMGL.
I suggest you start with Devuan (it's Debian without systemd, you don't want systemd obscuring everything if you want to learn stuff).

>>62408455
SMGL is the opposite of what you call "out of the box", the wizards by no means pretend to invite people new to the world of GNU/Linux to this distro. Even to use wine you would need to know a trick to use qemu with 32 bits to make it work for 32 bit binaries.

Go for Ubuntu.

>>62408496
Gahnoo/Loonix*

>>62408496
>GPU pass through
>What is QEMU/KVM and VFIO

>>62408496
>everything is a meme
newfriends nowadays

Does dwm support gaps?

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>62408603
Yes, there's a patch.

>>62408637
Cool.

>>62408614
rm -rf /

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>>62408614
dfc

>>62408614

Screenshots with Imagemagick:

# Desktop
import -quality 100 -window root +repage "~/scrots/scrot_$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S).png"

# Window (with window frame)
import -quality 100 -screen -frame +repage "~/scrots/scrot_$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S).png"

# Window (without window frame)
import -quality 100 -screen +repage "~/scrots/scrot_$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S).png"

# Select part of screen:
import -quality 100 +repage "~/scrots/scrot_$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S).png"

With ffmpeg:

ffmpeg -f x11grab -i :0.0+0,0 -s wxga -f image2 -vframes 1 "~/scrots/scrot_$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S).png"

I binded keys to take screenshots with a single button too.

# take screenshot
"import -window root png:$HOME/xwz_$(date "+%Y-%m-%d-%H:%M:%S").png"
  m:0x0 + c:107
  Print

# record desktop
"killall -INT avconv 2>/dev/null || avconv -f x11grab -r 25 -s 1280x720 -i :0.0 $HOME/output.webm &"
  m:0x0 + c:78
  Scroll_Lock

Save that to .xbindkeysrc

>>62408614

while :; do xrandr --output $(xrandr | awk '/ connected/ { print $1 }') --gamma 0.$((RANDOM%10)):0.$((RANDOM%10)):0.$((RANDOM%10)); done

Reset to normal.

xrandr --output $(xrandr | awk '/ connected/ { print $1 }') --gamma 1:1:1

>>62408614
cd
bash built-ins are fun

>>62408683
Hey that's neat. Link?
>>62408614
ncdu, slurm

>>62408770
I have it in the main Arch repos.

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>>62408770
https://github.com/Rolinh/dfc

you can also install it with pacman:
sudo pacman -S dfc

>>62408714
lmao

>>62408793
>>62408827
Merci

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>>62408614
ncdu

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>>62408614
https://github.com/cmatsuoka/asciiquarium

>>62409031
https://github.com/keroserene/rickrollrc

>>62408614

curl -s -L https://raw.githubusercontent.com/keroserene/rickrollrc/master/roll.sh | bash

>>62409070
I-it's a girl!

>>62409149
Don't make the neckbeards horny. ;_;

>>62408614

curl cheat.sh/SOMETHING

Replace SOMETHING with some command, for example

curl cheat.sh/curl

>>62408243
If you have the time, install arch Linux. It is not very difficult but maybe a bit frustrating and lengthy. There is a guide on theArchWiki. You won't be a Linux expert but you at least learn what components your system has and what they do. Beside that just USE anydistro...

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What would happened if I put windows on it?
And yes this is /fglt/ related

>>62409343
The universe implodes.

I may as well give you this installation guide for Source Mage https://pastebin.com/qqaUJMDC
Compare it to the length of the Arch installation.

great thread

>>62409343
The bizcard suddenly ceases to be useless.

>>62408456

No, it's retarded and anyone trying to do it is retarded.
Stick to your Windows and play your games, kid.

>>62408020
Why such pedantry?
Calling GNU/Linux just Linux
is the same as calling
Microsoft Windows just Windows
or Google Chrome just Chrome
An often unnecessary detail.

>>62408681

Enjoying your first week on the internet? Where are you from and how poor are you that you just got an internet connection?

>>62409521
ok kid

>>62409510
>Friendly.

Anyway, why do you think it's a bad idea?

>>62409436
Agreed. Last threads were pretty bad. Nice to see good posters back.

>>62409521
>Calling GNU/Linux just Linux
>is the same as calling
>Microsoft Windows just Windows
>or Google Chrome just Chrome
no, calling GNU/Linux just Linux is the same as calling Windows just NT or calling Google Chrome just Blink
GNU/Linux is the name of the OS
Linux is just the kernel

>>62409272
alias'd, ty

>>62409539

Because even with an UEFI system and SSD it will still take more than 10 seconds from shutdown to desktop. Only retards would wait that long to switch between simple programs.

The only valid reason to have two operating systems installed on one computer is if you boot into one of them only for an hour or so and only once a day.

>>62409577
The idea was more like you needing to use some specialized program while having all your other basic stuff keep working seamlessly.

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>>62408516
>>62408020
>GNU/Linux
POOin/LOOnix

hey all, i have some experience with linux (used it as my main OS for a number of years about 5 years ago) and I'm comfortable working with the terminal and all with both arch and debian. I'd really like to move back to linux as my main OS, but I need windows for some applications for work. I know that running windows in a VM with a gpu passthrough is a good option, but I've never worked with this configuration before. Any advice or tips? I'd really like to just get up and going, dont mind using something like debian, xubuntu, or whatever to speed the process along
if it matters id be passing an nvidia gpu through, which iirc ill have to change some setting to lie to the gpu to tell it it isn't in a virtual environment (thanks nvidia), is this correct? also, ill be using windows 8.1 as the virtual windows OS, if that matters.

>>62409646

How is closing your programs, rebooting into a new operating system and opening the programs again "seamless"?

>>62409673
are you sure it's worth taking the risk?
if windows suits your use case, don't fix what isn't broken

>>62409663
back to 9gag with you

Hi everyone, I just installed linux as a VM. I decided on debian, seeing as it has a lot of derivatives.

I am studying system engineering and I am in my first year, programming in C for now; then later java, AFAIK. The pace is sort of slow in academia, so I decided to use my free time to expedite my learning.

I have downloaded some online resources about learning the inner workings of linux and using the shell to maneuver and manipulate elements of the system.

Ultimately my question is this: What task or exercises can I do to practice? What does a linux system administrator do on a daily basis?

Thanks in advance.

>>62409724
>What does a linux system administrator do on a daily basis?
Nothing. Running cron jobs which run shell scripts that do work, drinking coffee, scratching balls.

>>62409698
id be installing on another disk alongside my current windows install, wouldn't be fully switching until everything was working. I'd really like to move back to linux as my main OS, really it's just one or two programs holding me over on the windows side, as well as a few games. Beyond that though there's really not much, and I dont like the direction windows is headed in, or a lot of "mainstream" software, etc. I've always had a good experience with linux as well and I like the idea of FOSS software, and I'd like to support it. So yeah, i think it's worth the risk.

>>62408504
Is Devuan really usable?
Can you install non-free drivers on it?

>>62409767
>Can you install non-free drivers on it?
I don't see why not.

>>62409767
>Is Devuan really usable?
Depends on the user.

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>>62408516 >>62408020 >>62409663
>GNU/Linux
gNU-Male

>>62409767
yes and yes.

nonfree drivers don't depend on memed so far.

>>62409724
Not joking, installing distros like arch, gentoo, and more recently source mage (I recommend this) help me a lot. Troubleshooting builds character, especially with networking stuff. Get familiar with config files, aka dotfiles, then do some bash scripting.

>>62409796
What are the downsides of running a systemdless distro?

>>62409724
Install Gentoo

>>62409806
GNOME won't be bleeding edge, that's it. Literally everything else is more updated than with systemd distros.

>>62409806
A better question you should be asking yourself is "What are the benefits of using a SystemD distro?"

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Does anyone have a color script that displays the color codes like the one in this screenshot?

>>62408700
>>With ffmpeg:
Neat, now I've something new to play around with.

>>62409843
I plan on running plasma, anyway.
Should I do it, then?

>>62409853
Sure. What are them?

my ssd doesn't boot up after i removed it from my laptop and re inserted it. the luks partition, the efi partition still exists when i check it out from a live usb. can i fix this thing or can i decrypt it? the live distro throws up an error when i try to decrypt it.

>>62409897
How are you trying to access it

>>62409856
Do you want it to display the html style hex color codes like in that screenshot? Or do you want it to display the escape sequences used to actually make those colors show up inside your terminal?

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>>62409884

>>62409920
>Do you want it to display the html style hex color codes like in that screenshot?
Yes.

I might embark on a journey soon to see if I can install GuixSD with the Linux kernel (not the libre-kernel it comes with) and proprietary nvidia drivers

Has anyone else tried this yet and can save me some time?

Are there any special hacks that need to be applied to the kernel of a declarative system like GuixSD and NixOS?

>>62409927
Why don't you just open up your terminals configuration file then and view them in there?

>>62409909
i originally set the boot order to allow the ssd boot first but it doesn't even load the grub. so i plugged in a live usb and tried to decrypt the drive but it doesn't let me in. should i try to reinstall grub, or create an efi partition? will that wipe the partition table of the luks partition?

>>62407144
I'm running fedora 26, and i have a midi keyboard. Do you know any software that could allow me to play the piano with my keyboard and computer?

Is it OK to keep all your data on a NTFS partition?
Is this how people dual boot?

>>62410009
you fucked up the bold colors

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>calling it Linux and not GNU/Linux
Friendly reminder that Linux is just the kernel. Other kernels are:
The Muen Separation Kernel https://muen.sk/
and HiStar http://www.scs.stanford.edu/histar/

Operating Systems under GPL are:
FreeVMS http://www.freevms.net/
FreeDOS https://www.freedos.org/
Plan 9 https://github.com/brho/plan9
JNode http://www.jnode.org/
KolibriOS http://kolibrios.org/en/
ReactOS https://reactos.org/

Special mention to GNU/Hurd (the HURD is the future) https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/
Arch Hurd http://www.archhurd.org/
Debian GNU/Hurd https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/Hurd

>>62409998
This makes it a lot easier to copy the colors I want into my i3 config and whatnot.
>>62410009
Thank you very much, kind anon.

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Who else here "On the road with RMS"?

>>62410009
Yeah, bold colors appear to be the same as non bold.

Never used Linux in my life but have been thinking about getting a laptop just for browsing online and getting into programming and web dev. What's a good cheap laptop for this and what's the easiest Linux distro for newfaggots?

>>62410061

#!/usr//bin/env bash

x="${HOME}/.Xresources"

c=($(
    sed -re '/^!/d; /^$/d; /^#/d; s/(\*color)([0-9]):/\10\2:/g;' "${x}" \
      | grep 'color[01][0-9]:' \
      | sort \
      | sed 's/^.*: *//g'
))

printf '\n'
for i in {0..7}
do
    printf '\033[%sm %s ██\033[m' "$((30+i))" "${c[i]}"
done
printf '\n'
for i in {8..15}
do
    printf '\033[%sm %s ██\033[m' "$((90+i-8))" "${c[i]}"
done
printf '\n'

>>62409999
>tried to decrypt the drive but it doesn't let me in
How are you trying to access it

>>62410009
Actually, they're fine.
Never mind.

>>62410124
that's it

>>62410067
>the HURD is the future
I can't wait for Android/Hurd

>>62410098
No sane person cares about stallman or gives him overdue credit for nothing he has done since '87

>>62410098
This is nice, wish there were books to give for kids about Stallman and the stuff he says, kids know nothing about the digital society they are in

>>62410212
I dont want my kids to be exposed to pedophiles who masturbate parrots and eat dirty foot dead skin

>>62410173
>>62410228
You got issues, go see a shrink, ASAP.

>>62410230
All he does anymore is go to community colleges, throw temper tantrums, and accept money from broke college students

>>62409853

The benefits are that you can choose all of the handful of major distributions and that you're using the latest mainstream technology with the most support.

>>62410242
Go away memelord

>>62410266
>denying facts
Typical stallmanist

>>62410242
What the hell, kid.

>>62409752
>>62409805
>>62409815

Looks like I will be installing gentoo.
Two more inquiries:
1) Would writing a script "cd direc1/direc2/direc3" then assigning an alias for it and using it as a keyword to shortcut directories be a a very basic form of 'bash scripting'?

2) What is the threshold of knowledge needed in a programming language before you advertise it on your CV/resume? If you could answer specifically (what task) I'd appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

aaaand the good thread is going downhill

>>62410124
I have a couple of colorschemes in separate files in ~/.colors/ that I include in ~/.Xresources
The lines in .Xresources look like this:

!#include ".colors/tango"
!#include ".colors/desaturated"
!#include ".colors/redish"
#include ".colors/blueish"

What command could I add to the script for it to get to the uncommented line that looks like this

#include ".colors/<name>"

and extract the <name> from there
and then x would be

x="${HOME}/.colors/<name>"

>>62410124
>

#!/usr//bin/env bash

why not /bin/bash?

>>62410300
>1) Would writing a script "cd direc1/direc2/direc3" then assigning an alias for it and using it as a keyword to shortcut directories be a a very basic form of 'bash scripting'?
Depends if you are just making an alias or know and use pushd and popd, and maybe put some variable

>>62410345
Portability. Env uses the first bash it finds, so when bash is in a different location, it will still find it.
>>62410320
Why not x="$1" and simply give the sheme file as argument?

>>62410401
>Why not x="$1" and simply give the sheme file as argument?
I guess that'll do.

>>62410401
Actually it should be #!/usr/bin/env bash (no double slashes).

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>>62410173
I don't care I just want to pay for his trips anon

>>62410456
<3

>>62410456
The GNU stickers are cool, I want to put on my thinkpad the variation with pepe

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How to learn emacs?

>>62409570
Linux is an OS

>An operating system (OS) is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources and provides common services for computer programs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system

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>>62410548
>citing wikipedia

>>62409646
What you want is probsbly easier achieved with a linux distro and Windows in an VM. You can suspend VMs at any time and resume were you left. For synchronizing data you could use syncthing or something similar

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>>62410548
>This article is about the operating system. For the animal, see Wildebeest. For the free software project, see GNU Project. For other uses, see GNU (disambiguation).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU

What's the htop for networking?

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>>62410513
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/

>>62410651
iftop

>>62410651
Try iftop.

>>62410572
So?

>>62410686
>>62410695
>>62410664
Thanks. (Same guy)

I'm starting to suspect that most of the anti-Stallmanites are not really hobbyist computer users.
They're either disgruntled IT workers or people who switch from windows for practical reasons like not wanting to pay or get viruses, or to do hosting.

I bet they're all the same people who started out here getting mad when things didn't "just works" like the OS is supposed to bend over backwards for them.

I just find it very difficult to believe that anyone who switched to GNU/Linux for the same reasons as me (wanting to learn, wanting to tinker with stuff, and being frustrated at all the software on Windows that thinks its smarter than you, and inefficient or non-existent software upgrades, and just generally wanting to get closer to how computers actually work)
could ever be philosophically opposed to a movement which wants to improve all of those things and also make it more difficult for companies to lock you into rigid software whose only motivation for being developed is to administer malware, spy on users, or make money some other way.

I just don't get it. And now I'm actually starting to not believe it. I don't believe you people are the same breed at all, or you have some fundamental misconceptions about the free software movement.

>>62410513
C-h t
or
M-x help-with-tutorial

>>62410739
>Same guy
Sure, we're all the same guy here, anon.

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>>62410739
Nah
Sorry for phonebosting

>>62410755
Or maybe they're just having a little bantz?

Nice blog, by the way. Where can I subscribe?

>>62410739
>>62410765
he's saying that he's both the person who asked for tips on emacs and for a htop-equivalent for networking.

>>62410755
It's just some edgy kids. Calm senpai.

>>62410788
>Where can I subscribe?
You just did my friend. Thanks for the support

>>62410788
>>62410804
I don't think it's just trolls or edgy kids when some people wanted to completely fork these threads a while back, and they seemed pretty serious about it.

>>62410840
Oh, single anons can be pretty destructive with the power of samefagging. Guess why critical boards have IDs.

>>62410882
>critical boards
Boards like /b/ and /pol/?

how can I make my desktop more cute?

>>62407144
What has happened to the installgentoo wiki? I think there is a database issue.

>>62410927
Just use a cute anime girl (male) as your wallpaper!

>>62410927
Install oneko. It's a little cat that runs around on your desktop and sleeps when you don't move the mouse. Very cute. Many options. Much 80s. Wow.

>>62410951
Why are people so obsessed with the wiki? If you really must read it daily, just use the archives?

>>62410927
cute wallpaper, cute colors, cute fonts, cute anime, cute prompt, username and hostname

>>62410927
Install xeyes. It's a funny desktop widget.

>>62411014
Actual spyware.

>>62411025
>/g/ humor
>>62411014
Isn't ist already packaged with X?

>>62411002
You forgot the cursors and maybe the screensaver (but who is still using screensavers in 2017)

>>62411068
>knowing the current year

>>62411068
>not still using 3D pipes in 2017

>>62408681
Yes it's been a great 1st week. I'm in the UK.

>>62410755
There is a third option, which is a group dedicated to smear GNU and free software (most of it GPL).

>>62411044
In some distros, xdm, twm, xeyes, xterm, xkill and other stuff are parts of X11. But others have separate packages for this.

>>62408443
Bump

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Why rm -rf instead of rm -fr?

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Im very sad.
I cant simply burn a PS2 game disk on my Thinkpad T400 using Linux Mint.
I even tried to use Brasero but it only shows "no disks avaiable", even with the blank dvd inserted.
I spent my two last hours digging the web to find the solution but all I got was frustration.
If anyone could help me I'd be extremely grateful (my lil brother too, I'll burn the games to him).

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On i3wm how can I make it so that every window doesn't take up my whole goddamn screen?

<- Here's an example of what I want. I wanna be able to see my desktop/background and actually freely resize the window to whatever size I like (if I can do it with the mouse too, would be perfect). The $mod+R does not seem to do this, all apps keep taking the whole screen space.

I don't mind not having maximize/minimize buttons because shortcuts for that are better. But I just need to be able to resize any window freely. My apps cover the whole background.

what is the best cron demon for gentoot as a daily driver?

>>62411490
Just install XfBurn

>>62411497
Wow.. nevermind, obviously I find the answer right as I post it. I swear I passed through it a bunch of times.

>$mod+shift+spoace
>To toggle tiling/floating.

If anyone ever needs to know.

>>62411555
I tried it too because it came installed by default.
When I open it says "no burners are currently avaiable".
I guess it has something to do with the permissions but I tried to open using sudo command and the error still there.

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So, I recently tried out the proprietary (forgive me) AMD drivers on my KDE Neon install
But after uninstalling them, my system freezes on startup
It displays the KDE Neon startup with that spinning circle for a while and then freezes
And the fan is going crazy
Anyone willing to help me out?
Its an HP with A10 9600p/R7m 340

>>62411620
Did you ask to AMD? You should.

>>62411619
I your CD reader correctly plugged in? Type lsblk on the terminal and see if there is a device named "sr0" with "rom" type.

Noob question.
I'm setting up a server with DDNS and want to be able to update ipv4 and 6. Currently using ddclient but having issues getting it to update both ipv4 and 6.
Is there an easy way to automatically make an http request? Freedns will automatically pull the proper addresses by plugging
>https://freedns.afraid.org/dynamic/update.php?[MY-SECRET-TOKEN4]&address=<ipaddr> https://freedns.afraid.org/dynamic/update.php?[MY-SECRET-TOKEN6]&address=<ip6addr>
but I'm having a hard time finding a way to do this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>>62411677
Yes it has.
sr0 1024M SIZE, TYPE rom.
Also, if I use cd-info it shows all YES except for the Writing, that shows all No.

>>62411745
cron job running at a reasonable time interval. Just run

curl http://that_url > /dev/null

or similar.

I was just trying the netinst of Devuan on a VM and it only showed xfce, MATE and LXDE as available DEs.
Do I need to get the DVD iso to get KDE, or is it just not available for Devuan?

>>62411754
I guess you already tested with other CD, so I got no clue, sorry.

>>62411867
Don't select any DE, on the first boot install KDE or Plasma, or whatever fro the command line. Or install a lightweight DE like LXDE and on the first boot install the DE you want.

>>62411672
No, I didn't (yet)

>>62411867
Just don't install one right now
You can install KDE after you installed Devuan

>>62411937
>>62412047
Noob friendly guide?
Also, is there any reason for Devuan not to have an option for KDE on the graphical installer like Debian does? I thought they were almost identical, except for systemd.

>>62412094
I don't know about guides but for commands see https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=package-management
Installation of KDE should be

sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop

Or if you have a netbook

sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-netbook

Of course this is minimal KDE, to search for more options

apt-cache search PATTERN

The installation wizard options are probably showing the first options the developer team used.

>>62412248
Not very noob friendly, but thanks. I try that out since I'm just checking it out on a vm anyway.

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how do I add Gentoo's default version of cron to runlevel? Or is it already initialized at startup? I've been trying to get my crontab to work, and it's kind of frustrating because I have no idea what's going on and I've never done this before.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13923670
http://www.strawpoll.me/13923670
http://www.strawpoll.me/13923670

I will install (whichever distro has the most votes at 21:00 BST). [Parentheses were to eliminate ambiguity.] Do not test me. I will do it.

>>62411579
You can also set certain windows to be floating by default in the config file. It's a good idea to set pop-up windows and dialogs to be floating

>>62412379
Does Gentoo even have a default? Last time I installed it installing a cron daemon was a step at the very end.
But once you have one installed it should just be a matter of looking inside /etc/init.d for it and then adding it with "rc-update add <your_preferred_cron> default"

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https://linuxaria.com/article/10-programs-terminal

>>62410755
>I find it very difficult to believe someone could have different priorities than me
Go out in the world, son. Open your mind.
> ani Stallmanites
> philosophically opposed
I think it's more likely that people on this board who try to shout down the rabid stallmanists just take extreme argumentative stances because they don't like being told what to do and are too lazy for rational arguing.
It comes down to two things, where you want to allocate your mental resources (freedom vs convenience, and as we know people are far more likely to choose the latter, if this surprises you you are delusional) and moral authoritarianism.
Think of it like any other religion. People can swear by the good book and the moral guidelines it espouses but how many people actually follow them? Even priests molest alter boys.
Once again, if you really find this hard to believe then you are out of touch with reality.

>>62411503
vixie-cron or just use a systemd timer

>>62412997
>then you are out of touch with reality.
Not surprising

>>62413037
>systemd on Gentoo
Why would anyone ever do this?

>>62413037
Don't forget to install postfix, because vixie-cron will send logs to you UNIX mailbox.

>>62413070
Why would one use cron, where atd works fine?

>>62413037
>/r/s systemd
I don't think I want trust vcron either now.

I think I used dcron or something last time.

This is a great question, which cron is best cron and why?

>>62413077
Yeah, I dont want a cron that sends shit to my mailbox.

>>62413170
Is that really so bad?

>>62413070

>he thinks the point of gentoo is no systemd
Stop posting you fucking retard. Take your memes and myths with you, go to your mom and ask her to shoot you in the face.

>>62413162
benis :DD

>>62413218
Why so mad, mr. systemd fanboy?

>>62413218
Why so mad, mr. systemd fanboy?

>>62413162
fcron, when you need features
Vixie cron, when you need stability

>>62413218
Why so mad, mr. systemd fanboy?

Hello. Posting from antix.

>>62413218
Why so mad, mr. systemd fanboy?

>>62413096
Because one might not know what atd is.
One might have to go google it now

What window manager do you recommend I use on Gentoo?

>>62412575
Gentoo it is, then.

>>62413392
Uninstall gentoo and install void.

>>62413282
fcron is actually nice, because it includes anacron's features, without having to run two deamons.

>>62413383
i3

>>62413347
atd is crap. It is intended for one-time jobs, but not for recurring executions. I stay with vixie cron.

Is bash a "programming language"?
How do I advertise it in my CV/Resume & what level of competency (what tasks should I be able to perform without reference) do I need in order to advertise this?

I need the Adobe Helvetica fonts but I can't seem to find it.
I already installed acrobat fonts (Arch) but it seems that I got the font from a different package (Or i probably imported it manually but don't remember)

Does anyone know where to get those fonts? I already got Helvetica font but kerning looks like shit. Adobe Helvetica is the best font so far.
>inb4 just import it from your other pc

>>62413759
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/adobe-base-14-fonts/ ?

>>62413800
Yep. Already tried that. It doesn't provide 'Adobe Helvetica'.

>>62413759
Can't you get the file from another place and install it manually?
I do this manually by

# adding system wide fonts not in repository
mkdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/<FONT> ;
chmod 644 <FONT>.ttf ;
cp <FONT>.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/<FONT>/<FONT>.ttf ;
fc-cache -fv ;
# and then restart the x server

Why is wireless network speed on my laptop with linux literally 1/3 than what it is on Windows?
I use tlp, but I disabled wlan power saving.

>>62413889
>>62413818
>>62413800
I think I found it and it's ttf-mplus (AUR).
Gonna try after my pacman -Syu finishes.

When trying to use compton,it flickers my screen and turns windows in to solitaire-esque bouncing windows when moving them.
I've tried various configs and the defaults but it happens every time.

>>62414047
>ttf-mplus
but adobe-helvetica is not a ttf font

>>62414047
*ttf-mac-fonts

>>62413282
>>62413425
Do I need Anacron installed if I want to use fcron?

>>62413383

Window managers are distribution agnostic.

How do I install the latest KDE-Plasma on Debian stable?

>>62413686

>Bash is the GNU Project's shell. Bash is the Bourne Again SHell. Bash is an sh-compatible shell that incorporates useful features from the Korn shell (ksh) and C shell (csh). It is intended to conform to the IEEE POSIX P1003.2/ISO 9945.2 Shell and Tools standard. It offers functional improvements over sh for both programming and interactive use.
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

Yes.

>>62413383
http://www.xwinman.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers

I use Ratpoison myself

>>62414242
does it support gaps?

>>62414242
>http://www.xwinman.org/
>last updated in 2012

Makes a *lot* of the site pointless -- for instance, the activity ratings and the fact that there are new and highly recommended WMs like i3 and bspwm.

>>62414278
Yeah, I actually do the opposite by removing borders in the .ratpoisonrc

set border 0

You can change to any number you want.

>>62414174
Short answer: You don't. Use sid instead of stable, or some other distro
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

>>62411620
I can boot fine with nomodeset, so I'm pretty sure my graphics driver is fucked
Now, how do I fix my damn driver, I'm kind of new to this whole linux stuff

>>62414329
But there's gotta be a workaround, right?
I'm on a VM, I'm expecting things to break.

>>62412720
Thanks, anon

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>>62414328
umm borders =/= gaps

>>62414085
No, fcron includes the features of anacron itself.

>>62414361
You can often backport a single package (Debian backports project). As for large, complex desktop with hundreds of related packages, it's just not feasible. The system would be too hard to maintain and update

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>>62414416
Someone made gaps by adding a border of 20 and using a GTK extension for transparency https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/3f4thx/to_all_ratpoison_users/

>>62414610
too bad ratpoison doesn't have another border

Which is the best place ergonomically to put taskbar? Left side or top?

>>62414781
depends on what the taskbar contains

I'm still a sucker for bottom placement. Taskbars rarely contain anything superuseful, so IMO, why place them in the top or left, which are prime directions for the eye to look at?

>>62414979
One reason might be with panels like i3's where you can scroll the mouse over it to switch desktops. The mouse is most often near the top where other menus and things are, so it's a little more convenient.

you guys might know...
What's the best free (as in freedom) chat app? That I can use on my pc and on my android, and has current year features of stuff like whatsapp and shit.
Is there any free stuff like that?

>>62415122
Kontalk.

>>62415122
GNU Ring

>>62415122
Do you want something that can connect with whatsapp and shit? Pidgin is always the answer.

>>62415683
Pidgin can connect with whatsapp?

>>62415683
Nah, no need to connect to those services, just wanted a chat app that is free, crypto, and has most whatsapp features, like sending media files.

>>62416232
RetroShare?

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So this is the future we chose.

>>62416506
no this is the future (((they))) choose

>>62416232
>>62416420
Tox might be better actually since it doesn't have the whole "decentralized" thing. I always thought it was only a browser client but apparently not and you can get it for your phone

>>62416133
Yes

>>62416232
GNU Ring


Free software
Free
Released under GPLv3 licence
Supported by an active community

A network
OpenDHT protocol
Decentralized communication
Peer-to-peer discovery and connection

Secured
End-to-end encryption with authentification
Identity managed by X.509 certificates
Based on RSA/AES/DTLS/SRTP technologies

>>62416798
>Yes
Is it possible to remain anonymous while doing so or do I need to link an existing account?

>>62416827
Connection to whatsapp was through libpurple so I imagine you can, but remember whatsapp is a proprietary app and the application and the network is owned by facebook

>>62416855
>whatsapp is a proprietary app
If I use free software to access the network, does it really matter?
>network is owned by facebook
I know, but if I don't have to link any personal info (that includes my phone number), does it matter?
Would it be possible to connect throught Tor?

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>>62407144
your all doing it wrong.

>>62416905
Everything depends on how much of your privacy want to keep. By using free software you protect much of your privacy (and even security), but it still depends of how much data the network requires from you.
I for example am setting Mutt, the email client, to connect to a gmail acount. The email client will prevent nasty things like pixel tracking and XSS, but still relies on google and how much data from you will require to set and maintain a google account. And they track IPs.

Sure, many people use gmail, but this shit is so insecure, like, I've got hacked my gmail account, and still asks for a phone, which compromises even more. Whatsapp also requires stuff like this, and hacking your whatsapp is one step towards hacking more things from you. So, you trade convenience for security.

I wish we could have more people into free software, would make the world more secure.

>>62416905
Btw, don't rely on Tor for private communication. Like, everything you do is transparent to the exit node, and many exit nodes belong to the NSA.

why don't I have a ~/.kde/ folder?

>>62416912
Slackware a shit

runit > systemd < openrc

so why does any distro use systemd?

>>62416912
Hello slackguy

>>62409521
If I may,

Although the developers of Linux, the kernel, are contributing to the free software community, many of them do not care about freedom. People who think the whole system is Linux tend to get confused and assign to those developers a role in the history of our community which they did not actually play. Then they give inordinate weight to those developers' views.
Most operating system distributions based on Linux as kernel are basically modified versions of the GNU operating system. We began developing GNU in 1984, years before Linus Torvalds started to write his kernel. Our goal was to develop a complete free operating system. Of course, we did not develop all the parts ourselves—but we led the way. We developed most of the central components, forming the largest single contribution to the whole system. The basic vision was ours too.
In fairness, we ought to get at least equal mention.

>>62417218
Because Redhat makes money and they can push everyone around clearly.

>>62417218
it's because of support from systems that run that init system. Many big companies run distros with systemd as an init system because the company that backs said distro is offering support for that distro, i.e. RedHat and RHEL.

>>62417218
I'll tell you my theory when a fanboy comes bitching "muh systemd" and we need to shut his mouth

>>62417218
Poettering and Sievers were Red Hat software engineers who were tasked by Red Hat to make something different/better than Canonical's Upstart init system. The reason why those were the main two players on the field (along with sysvinit as the common ancestral init system) was because of Not Invented Here syndrome: the big players wanted to be sure they had their own init system that was good for them and fit their needs, rather than bolstering any existing init systems.

test

>>62417516
did it work?

>>62417656
no

>>62417665
lies

>>62410927
>>62410972
how can I do this with no anime? (I don't really watch anime a whole lot)

>>62417713
xteddy?

Systemd no longer wants to follow

noauto,x-systemd.automount

This seems to have started with systemd 234.
When i go to login via tty it will take he username and password but it will pause for 2 minutes, then checking the log the system is trying to mount that mountpoint despite nothing touching it. It hangs all tty's for 2 minutes until the drive is manually mounted(its a crypto disk i manually open).Am i not using the right switches?

qbittorrent keeps changing the size of the window when i use the search tab,is there a setting to prevent this?

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>systemd

So I go this shitty laptop running hybrid graphics (intel+nvidia) and I need to switch the nvidia off completely. How do I do it ? What drivers do I use?Basically this stops me from dropping windows right now.

>>62417842
If it's an encrypted disk that you manually open, why include

x-systemd.automount

?

From what I can tell, that just means "mount when it gets accessed by systemd (usually when fsck is run)". If you don't actually want it mount, why include that option?

>>62418117
It's in your BIOS.

>>62418161
That switch should overlook the drive until something attempts to access that mountpoint,in fstab..
I want it to mount after i have taken care of the crypto.So how it used to go was i would login, decrypt the drive, and then the programs that use it would trigger the x-systemd,automount when it needed data from it.
Nothing access that drive except certain programs that are manually started.

Unless i've been mistaken.

>>62418214
The number at the end of that line on your fstab is a 0, right?

>>62418277
Correct

>>62414049
halp

Noob here. Wiki has been down for 3 days...so that's my excuse for asking -
What distro should I use first?
I'm familiar with some programming in R and python and I want to move to the open source world and also develop a better understanding of how computers work in the background. Is Ubuntu too easy, or will it give me a good flavor? I literally don't know if gentoo is a good idea or a meme to fuck noobs over. Or what about Arch?
If I fuck up on the install can I turn my laptop into a brick?

Thanks guise

>>62418467
Arch
>brick
No you can always boot a liveusb and fix shit

>>62418467
Only thing that can really brick a laptop if a BIOS update

>>62409856
What's that thing that prints the nice system overview in the top right again?

I want to make a script that i can call via my file manger to use a command, i want to use mpv to open an iso device.
The command is mpv -disk-device=$file.
How do i make this script and call on it with the "open with" tab of the file manager.
Just make a script with mpv --disk-device=$file ? and then set it to "open with"?

>>62418214
>>62418289
Hmm. Is there a startup service you've recently activated that might be trying to access the drive? Perhaps from a newly installed program?

>>62418632
None that i can see, all the running services dont access this device at all.

>>62418467
Any network installation without selecting a desktop environment will be better than Arch. If you want a challenge go for Devuan netinstall or Ubuntu Server.

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>>62417492
>Sievers
>literaly who
>mfw

I have a music folder, and a portable media player, which is essentially another folder. How can I run a command which will delete the files from the second folder which no longer exist in the music folder, and add the ones which are present in the music folder but not the second folder?

Something like rsync? I just want to save having to copy everything every time

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>>62418704
DELET

NEW THREAD
>>62418784
>>62418784
>>62418784

>>62418761
--delete will do this with rsync,it wil ldelete files on the destination which do not match the source folder

>>62418761

rsync -a -v --ignore-existing src dst

>>62418801
you need --delete

>>62418666
Well, as a non-answer, you can look into autofs, which effectively does the same thing as x-systemd.automount.

how do you get windows to look like this?

Is it possible to apply a gaussian blur + speckle to the transparent windows?

>>62418790
>>62418801
>>62418810
Cheers lads,

sudo rsync -r -v --ignore-existing --delete src dst

did the trick.