if you want help:
>Assemble parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>State the budget for your build (and country if not USA)
>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate
>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
How to assemble a PC, select components & more (outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC
CPUs:
No i5 unless discounted
>G4560 - poverty-tier builds
>R3 1200 - Budget builds (<$500)
>R5 1400 - If you need multithreading
>R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage
>R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use, not for just gaming
GPUs:
Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
>VEGA
>Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games
>GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both
>RX570 - 1080p@60~hz maxed, running most maxed older games at 100~Hz
>RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games
>GTX 1070 or Vega 56 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high
>GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p
>GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games
RAM:
>Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM
>Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM, 3200 MHz is ideal
General:
ALWAYS LOOK AT PRODUCT REVIEWS!
Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later
NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor
is the Ryzen 1200 a meme or a solid buy?
>>62374932
about to order. any changes i should make? still iffy about the mobo
>>62374932
more ovaltine please
>>62374932
How could i make a custom cmos jumper? Like have a wire connecting to each pin joining together to a button that i could press to reset it? How hard would it be to make something like this?
>>62375028
Only buy if you need a quick and dirty specific use-case cpu. For a daily driver, save up for the 1600
>>62375088
only other relevant thing i've got-
>>62375067
Idk, just no gigabyte mobo. I made my choice and its been raping me in the ass ever since
>>62374932
Which 8GB RX 580 is best?
There's currently a big scare with China banning Buttcoin right now, so I fear this may be my only opportunity to buy.
>>62375138
Read reviews. MSI and Sapphire makes the best AMD cards.
>>62375130
yeah im okay with gigabyte but ive heard it's am4 mobo's suck. i think i might just switch out for an msi board though
>>62375138
Sapphire Nitro+ or Nitro+ LTD
>>62375176
>yeah im okay with gigabyte but ive heard it's am4 mobo's suck. i think i might just switch out for an msi board though
I just put together a build with a Gigabyte am4 mobo and I'm not sure if that's the problem but the whole thing is an unmitigated disaster. I can't do a fresh install after a windows update accidentally the whole thing, multiple crashes I can't diagnose before that, I think a bunch of drivers were fucked up, the mobo disk that comes with it is absolutely useless, I may have bricked two HHD.
>>62375299
yeah i think ill go with an msi. hopefully it works well just so i dont have to deal with their support
>wiki says first build is usually around 4 hours
>took me over 10
>still haven't been able to install an OS
>no longer getting a signal at all after changing bios in an attempt to get windows installation to work
>can't think of a single way to fix it beyond taking everything apart and hoping for better luck next time
I'm starting to think I'm too much of a brainlet for this hobby.
>>62375299
Oh damn. Right now im stuck on a corrupted BIOS/failed overclock(??) Its really pissing me the fuck off
>>62375495
>10 hours to read instructions and plug things in
Anon...
>>62375495
It took me about 2 hours and that's including cleaning up my old case.
>>62375543
God that sucks. I have a gigabyte fm2 which was fantastic but man that sounds terrible
in light of this screenshot please explain to me why i should still pursue a 1440p 144hz monitor when i can get a 60hz IPS 1440p one and run it better with my machine
this is unmodded BTW
>>62375762
Cause you won't have to run Vsync to avoid screen tearing?
>>62375099
damn this is what i feared, ok ill save up, thanks anon
>>62375785
running vsync isnt a problem for me in the first place i normally keep it on other than to run this specific test
>>62375798
Well if you don't mind running V-sync, then you don't need high refresh rate monitors.
>>62375495
anytime something doesnt work like this, it's almost always something dumb you are forgetting OR one of your parts came fucked
which is why it pays to have old parts hanging around from old builds so you can see what's wrong
keep at it anon
>>62375814
thank you ill get my 1440p ips monitor or even two then
>>62375785
This is a hilariously common misconception with high refresh displays. You will tear without V-sync even if a game is 60fps capped and you're at 120hz.
Just bought Samsung 960 EVO 500gb for $180, did I make a right choice?
>>62375836
Well it is clear from his screenshot that his game isn't fucking capped at 60 FPS you idiot.
>>62375847
i will light you hair on fire and use a piss and shit filled toilet to give you a swirly you annoying smug little shit
>>62375762
You don't have to. 144hz is a luxury you don't want to give up so staying at 60hz will make your hardware last longer at satisfactory levels. After I played at 144hz for several months and switched back to 60 to try it out, I wanted to claw my eyes out because of how choppy it was.
>>62375855
It was an example, but he will still get tearing running at 94fps. Tearing doesn't take a hike just because the monitor has big dick refresh.
>>62375871
Tearing is a meme
>>62375871
Your game will only tear if the game is capped by a hardware limiter (refresh rate) or software limiter (in engine cap).
>>62375847
>Didn't get a 960 Pro
lmao, practically destitute.
do i bring the ram up to 3200MHz or overclock the cpu first?
>>62375905
ram first imo, if something goes wrong you won't boot at all and have to restart cmos, while with cpu overclock you will just crash, but then you'll boot just fine.
>itt: people who will have buyers remorse
>>62375830
infact i think ill get me a pair of these
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-PB278Q-2560x1440-DisplayPort-Monitor/dp/B009C3M7H0/
>>62375931
>projecting
what'd ya buy anon?
>>62375901
I would have bought the pro for $200 new if I wasn't working. I'm always out of luck.
Excuse me if this is a dumb question but about case fans;
I bought two Arctic F12 fans earlier that run 53 CFM. Will this be good enough to keep my case cool? I feel like I should have bought some +70 CFM fans. I'm kinda having second thoughts of how well 53 CFM will be.
Here is link to fans https://www.amazon.ca/Arctic-F12-Rev-PWM-standard/dp/B00H3T1KBE/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
>>62376054
We don't know your ambient, your CPU cooler, your GPU cooler or your current specs.
We cannot judge whether those fans will suffice or not.
>>62375249
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, thanks.
Some faggot said Tri-X, but that's not a 580.
>>62376071
Ambient is around 20. I'm using a R1600 with stock cooler. As for GPU cooler, I don't have one. I have a two fan poverty tier 1050ti.
I currently have no case fan aside from the one in the front that comes with my case and I find my cpu getting quite hot so I want to add some airflow.
Specs are
>Ryzen 1600
>GTX 1050ti
>MSI B350 Tomahawk
>Seasonic 520w
>2 x 4gb ram
>>62376120
how's the tomahawk? I'm looking for a good motherboard but half of the reviews for an am4 is negative
>>62376120
Case fan is simply to aid the movement of air in and out of the case. If you find it too hot, get better fans.
>>62376138
Tomahawk is a great board.
Ever think a good chunk of those negative review are from Intel fans who feel threatened and have never touched the product?
These delusional brandwhores exist
>>62376197
you're probably right. also a number of them are from people who bought the board with the first ram issues. thanks I'll be getting the tomahawk so hopefully everything works great out of the box
>>62376138
I haven't had any issues, but I've only had my PC for about a week now. Setup was very smooth.
>>62376154
Yeah, I was only wondering if 53 CFM would be fine. If for some reason it wasn't enough, I would order better ones and return the Arctic ones to amazon.
>>62376197
More like majority of the reviews are from people who don't know about the QVL and are wondering why the 3200mhz RAM they bought only runs at 2133mhz.
>>62376197
there's no difference between the artic and regular one correct? aside from looks?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/X4KGQV
This will be used primarily for gaming in 1080p on most games, only going up to 1440p on games that aren't overly demanding. I just want to know if there's anything at all I could improve upon. The GPU I'll be getting for this build will either be a Vega 56, if I can find one, or a 1070.
I can't decide on a case, this shit is driving me mental.
>>62376261
The Arctic is just a Tomahawk but white with blue accents instead of black with red accents
>>62376441
ah alright. well I took the plunge and just bought the rest of my parts
>>62376358
>vega
Just don't, I like amd but they fucked up too much this time.
Is my logitech G400 from a couple years ago holding me back in competitive gaming?
I love how it feels in my hand. I know the sensor is a bit out dated now. But is it really enough to matter?
A new mouse isn't too much, only like $50..
tl;dr - Have a Logitech G400 mouse. Not sure if it's holding me back. Also looking for TOP TIER not meme tier mouse suggestions
>>62376627
Unless the sensor has gotten faulty over time, the only reasons you'd feel it is holding you back are that there's gunk on the mousepad or on the slidy pads or you've just grown into an old man who can't keep up with youngsters anymore.
>>62376651
I'm 24, and I just recorded my highest SR ever in Overwatch. I don't think I'm an old man, I was wondering if sensors wear out, or if sensor technology is so much better now that it would be an upgrade.
Appreciate your 2 cents
>>62376627
Unless you're literal top 0.1% doubtful.
>>62376685
>Overwatch
It's not your mouse it's the shit games you play. Overwatch is for those people who never were good at any other shooters.
>>62376699
I've been heavily playing counter strike since 2003 and just quit last year. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>62376737
That doesn't mean you were good at it. Have you ever won some tournament?
>>62376685
A Overwatch pro will rekt you with a Microsoft mouse even if you use some 1337 gaymen gear. You severely over estimate the importance of mouse usage. BW pros use cheap mouse in a game where APM can go up to 400-500 per minute while requiring precision clicks. The reason they use cheap mouse is because they burn through the mouse too quickly.
>>62376866
dude he's been playing heavily since 2003, you have no idea what you're talking about
>spend the entire afternoon building PC
>it's finally done, time to plug it in!
>wait a second... why isn't the monitor cable fitting in?
>it's a DVA-I and the card only supports DVA-D
I'M SO FUCKING TIRED AND NOW I WILL HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUY A FUCKIBG CAVBLWJAHSHXUANAKAKAHXJCICIBOC JXKOA
>>62375028
A Pentium is better than that. The cheaper Athalon has a iGPU making it a much better buy.
>>62376895
Heh, I've done this before
Gonna get me a Ryzen 1600X and a nice motherboard. What motherboard should or shouldn't I get?
>>62376895
But anon we're gonna need at least seven more different connectors to clear all of this up.
>>62376970
Any b350 you like.
>>62376970
avoid A320 boards like the fucking plague.
That shit may be acceptable to Intelfags but all RYzen chips are unlocked and overclockable.
>>62376802
I got to ESEA-Main. Team I was on won open twice and we did decent in main but dissolved after that
>>62377120
Oh so like I said failed "pro" now switched to overwatch. Literally the game for failures.
Is it bad that I'm seriously considering the Thermaltake Core P5? My first case, I tried so hard to avoid rice, I didn't want any side panel on my case... And now I'm considering no case on my side panel. Has anyone used it, is it good? I mostly want it for the wall mounting, I'm considering it plus the tempered glass upgrade, versus an Enthoo Primo. Are there any other tasteful but good/quiet options without paying Lian Li prices? How are cases like the NZXT S340VR Elite, where there's no direct air flow from the front? That one has fans, but they're blowing straight onto the front panel, it seems like that would cause a lot of turbulence, which would cause a lot of noise.
1030 for $75
1050 for $114
1050Ti for $159
1060 3GB for $199
which one is a better buy? will be playing csgo on a 720p screen. i have a g4560 but it is too slow for anything but lowest settings and i want some graphics
>>62377728
If prices were normal, we'd be recommending an AMD Radeon RX 570 all day long, but turns out those are good for mining so good luck. Excluding the 570, get the 1050Ti. The 3GB 1060 is worthless.
>>62377436
I read it's pretty shit for thermals and dust getting all up in your shit (obviously)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4GnMsJ
opinions? building it as a 2nd pc for when i'm living at university. stuff in black will be bought off ebay
So how does sodimm ram compare to regular dimm ram? I know it's traditionally used for laptops, but I saw this today
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/asrock-unveils-the-x299e-itx-ac-mini-itx-x299-quad-channel-memory.2255/
No intentions of buying it, just mostly curious.
>>62378003
The form factor doesn't make any difference in performance. What can make a difference is that you won't have the same options in frequencies, delays and whatnot. Laptop buyers don't really care about that stuff, they just buy whatever's the cheapest.
You won't get any fancy heatspreaders either since those won't fit inside laptops, but they no longer have any impact on performance.
>>62377728
1050ti is good enough for you. 1060 3gb is not bad either but at that price point you should consider going for the full 6gb model instead of the gimped version.
>People give the Cougar Solution shit and call it a bad case
>Cougar Solution doesn't use prongs to hold the door panels on, opting for an alternate and less-frustrating method
>Some $80 cases use the prongs
>>62378174
>Check Cougar Solution 2
>It uses prongs
This is like my autistic criteria for an ATX case final solution. Because the last case I had with pronged side-panels no longer has side-panels because they required force to close properly and it led to warping, which eventually led to me pretzeling solid steel panels because I got fed the fuck up with dealing with their shit.
I'll never understand how they're considered a practical solution.
>>62378132
Why don't ram/mobo manufactures switch to sodimm as a primary platform and let performance determine the price/demand? Is it literally just so they can slap a fancy heatspreader on them? Because I've still seen some "fancy" sodimm, albeit mostly stickers.
>>62378252
There are couple of reasons to that
>sodimms are taller IIRC so you'll have more issues with cooler clearance
>chicken or the egg -problem: nobody is going to buy a motherboard with memory that is incompatible with every other motherboard. A decent pair of DDR4 sticks will be usable for almost a decade, you want to buy the stuff that is compatible with future upgrades.
>fancy heatspreaders are much nicer than fancy stickers
>there might be or might've been some issues with memory module placement on larger capacity sticks
Ordered a 750D then realized I didn't need it and cancelled immediately
What mid tower do I use for a completely aircooled build?.
fucking miners have almost doubled the prices o GPUs in my country and now are trying to sell their burnt out cards for the same price as new ones
why are the so fuckin delusional?
>>62378602
Meshify C, Enthoo Evolv and Eclipse P400 are worth checking out.
>>62378635
>Enthoo Evolv
As a previous owner of this chassis people need to stop recommending it as a good airflow case. It looks good, but temps were noticeably higher when I had it. May not be a big deal to some, but if you're looking to minimize noise/temps by lowering your fan speeds I wouldn't recommend it. Hell they sell modded front panels of this thing online because of the poor airflow.
If you mostly just care about aesthetics though, then by all means go for it.
Meshify C looks good based off reviews, although I have no personal experience.
A friend wants to get another power supply because he got his pc builded by a local store, so they gave him shit component, as expected.
He basically has an i7-6700 (non k) and a 1070, without any kind of OC.
A 500w is fine, right? And is FSP GROUP a trusted one?
Please help me I can't into computers, this is my first time building anything
Will this stuff work together? Is there anything else you recommend instead?
I live in Australia and my budget is $500(not including shipping) so that's why I'm trying to salvage old parts. If I absolutely have to spend more than that then I'll try but I'd like to keep it under 500.
I'd like to play games like GTA V, Assetto Corsa and Subnautica. I use 2 monitors at 1920 x 1080 res but only 1 is used for gaming.
>Parts salvaged from old prebuilt pc (HP Envy 700 desktop?)
>CPU
Intel - Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
>Motherboard
LGA115 I think? That's what it says on it
>8gb of ram
>New parts
>HDD
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
>GPU
Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB
>PSU
Corsair CXM 450w
>>62378815
500w is fine, get an Evga G2/G3 or something by Seasonic
My current system:
AMD X6 Phenom II 1090t @ 3.2Ghz
8GB DDR3 1600mhz G.Skill RAM
1tb WD Black
ASUS 990fx Sabertooth Motherboard
HAF X
1000 Watt PSU (Can't remember what brand)
Radeon HD 6950 Sapphire Flex
Anyway, it was a solid rig in 2011, 2012. Wanting to upgrade.
>>62378854
Parts should work fine, and cpu isn't even bad. Do you know if your motherboard is a z77? If it is you could get say a 3770k and overclock it, but you need the right motherboard. Other than that, maybe upgrade to 16gb of ram so you can multitasking better on your second monitor while you play games.
>>62378865
Found a CX550m for 72€. I'm from Spain (as my friend too). I don't usually find good priced EVGA here at all, but I'll look at these.
>>62378907
Alright, thanks anon! I'll add ram to the list.
I'm not sure about the motherboard, sorry. How can I tell if it's a z77?
Monitor suggestions? Been using my same Dell 19" and a 27" Sceptre I found in a garbage bin for 8 years now.
>>62378854
make sure you're getting ddr3 ram (really worth buying used instead of new). also getting an ssd would be a good upgrade if you don't have one already.
>>62378907
upgrading to 3770k (which still cost ~$300 used) from 3770 is pretty dumb imo.
>>62378909
Took a look on both. They are 100€ minimum.
>>62378929
Download speccy and it should tell you, or maybe a specs sheet if you bought your pc online
>>62378953
I've seen used ones for cheap if youre patient, but I usually buy off online forums like Hard forum or Sff forums, not ebay.
>>62378885
here's my suggestion.
anything with no price would be moving it over from your current system.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6qQMsJ
On the GPU front, when prices calm down, grab an RX 580 8GB.
>>62378993
id have to agree with this
gamers nexus did an interesting video where they encouraged people to just wait out this miners crisis
im still sitting on my shitty 6670 waiting for the 570 desu
>>62378953
Oh, I have an SSD but I forgot to add it, sorry! I'm not sure the specs of it though. Thanks for the tip.
>>62378967
I can't really check the specs of the computer through software right now because there's something wrong with the hard drive and it doesn't boot. I'll see if I can find the specs online.
>>62379008
you'll be waiting months. just get 1050ti/1060 6gb now instead.
>>62379012
It's cool dude, if you're mobo isn't a z77, don't sweat upgrading to a 3770k, at that point I'd just stay put or move to a newer platform like Ryzen if you have the funds.
>>62378956
So found two at the same price, the CX550m and an Enermax, which is 650w, the only difference between them.
What should I tell him to get then? Corsair or Enermax? He has a i7-6700 and a 1070.
>>62379032
Ah okay, thanks man. Ryzen looks pretty promising so I'll consider that for the future.
So, just to confirm, the list (+ram) looks ok? Should I worry about case size or anything? Cooling?
>>62375067
I got AB350M Pro 4 and same ram and it just works 3200 MHz
Are there any decent cases with a beige box aesthetic?
>>62379235
beige is dead. closest you'll get is white, and they usually charge a premium for them over the black versions
>>62379265
It's not so much actually the colour I'm after, it's the design aesthetic.
>>62379274
explain. I'm confused as to what you're looking for. Something bland that doesn't call attention to itself?
>>62378993
>>62379008
My 6950 luckily plays most games fine. DOOM has serious issues, but that's about it. I can play Fallout 4 on low settings at 900p, medium with some performance mods/config stuff.
580 has been my choice card. Only thing I might change is the CPU. Considering a Ryzen 1700 because I render vids, I use a lot of VMs and I do music production. Software development, sometimes. Multitasking is important for me.
>>62379311
yeah, a 1700 would fit your needs, rest of the build would apply nicely though
My current system:
i5 4670 @ 3,4 GHz with Mugen 4 cooler
16gb ballistix tactical ddr3-1866
WD Barracuda 1TB HDD
Samsung Evo 256gb SSD
Asus Z87-Pro Motherboard
Corsair rm750x PSU
XFX HD 7950 Black Edition
Looking to upgrade, can I just change the GPU to begin with? I can get the Zotac Amp Core 1070 for 420€.
>>62379350
*Seagate Barracuda, my bad
>>62379295
Imagine an old IBM PC from the 80s.
>>62379383
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JcgPxr/corsair-270r-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011106-ww
>>62379350
Yes, changing the graphics card will improve performance significantly. You'll want to upgrade the CPU at some point too but that can be done later.
>>62379350
Get the 1070, and the next year, get the Zen+/2 or next intel friend, the one that fits your needs.
>>62379572
>>62379416
Alright, I want to switch to Zen anyway in the near future. Is there a notable difference between the 1070 AMP and AMP Core?
>>62379685
Both have same GPU running at same clock speed so there shoudn't be any difference in that regard. The coolers seem identical as well, so the main difference is in the way they look.
What's a good motherboard for OCing a 7700k with 3200Mhz RAM support? Also, what do I do if I can't find my motherboard's QVL?
>>62379737
QVL is mostly marketing bullshit, don't worry too much about it.
>>62379737
>intel
>>62379748
You talking about heating? I plan on getting a good cooler and adequate airflow, so it shouldn't be a huge issue.
Any (A)X370 mobo recommendations?
Planning to buy R7 1700 and 2666+ MHz RAM.
>>62379824
it's a huge issue unless you delid it.
and you shouldn't need to delid a CPU to get decent temps.
should've gone Ryzen.
>>62377889
The Thermaltake or the NZXT?
Seagate Barracude or WD for an HDD?
>>62379949
3TB Barracuda. Best bang for buck
How far over the watt prediction in Part Picker should I go to be safe for OCing stuff?
What's the name of the crack for W10/LTSB, I forgot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPwZe8vaHA
Intel® Optane™ - a meme?
>vega prices
okay
>>62380371
The first gen products function just as block-addressable storage cache, and have application, but it's narrow.
2018 will see its first use as memory extension in enterprise, which is very exciting, though it's not known if it will be available to the consumer market.
>>62380371
>>62380445
>cheaper than nand
>1000x faster than nand
>10000x endurance than nand
>non of these turned out to be true
SCAAAAAAAAAAM
Do the celeron and pentium processors have management engine? because i really want a cpu without it but even though people say "any cpu past 1st gen" some turned out not to have it (most atoms, one or two i5's)
>>62380445
isnt 3d xpoint just 3d nand?
I'm upset.
>>62380815
1 dvi output. lmao wtf
would a 7600k be able to drive 3 monitors? the mobo im looking at has 3 display out so i figure if i can get away with intergrated graphics i should be good
>>62380882
Mining card?
>>62380925
It's literally written on the name
>>62380925
yet video out at all? why even bother
>>62380815
>mining card
>limit 3 per customer
Why though?
>>62380815
>mining card
>comes with a game
>>62380710
No. They haven't officially confirmed it, but from deep dives it looks to be PCM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-change_memory
Guys pls help with case fans. Is 53 CFM shit?
I'm selling my current rig of about 4 years.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cWkRcc
yes, i bought the 400$ case and its missing its window. Ignore that in your opinion.
living in western US and knowing this is used shit, if i sold the tower whole, what should i reasonably expect to get for it?
pic related
>>62381285
It's worth probably $650 but you could hustle some sucker on CL for $800+ if it's nicely presented
>>62381330
methinks a 40$ case and LED fans galore
think that'll do it?
pic related is a build i did for profit
>>62381363
How is the Zalman Z0 Neo to work with?
What do you think of this board? compared to even more expensive boards i really cant tell what extra features id get. i like that this board at least has 8 sata ports and for the price seems like a decent z chipset.
>>62375847
You did good anon. Enjoy your ssd
>>62381729
Buy an ASUS Mobo.
What resource should I use to learn more about picking out monitors? I know alot about 144hz panels but I'm shopping for 60hz now and don't k ow which ones are good.
>>62381842
why?
regarding these chipsets, how does any board, especially the a320 have 6+ sata ports if it says only 2? and then the pcie stuff? how can you have pcie 2 x 8 support but still have 16? or does it mean pcie 2x16 x number writter?
at this point could we potentially replace sata with usb (say have 6 usb c or a ports instead of mobo sata) since usb gets up to 10gb/s whereas sata is only 6?
>>62381988
I use two drives in software raid as my game library through an internal usb hub and speeds are the same as SATA. So, maybe?
A new SATA version or pcie that can handle a nvme on one lane is needed badly right now.
Just finished delidding my 6600k. Holy shit what a difference, I'm at 5.1ghz 1.45v Vidya/prime95 stable on a older 240mm aio.
Glad I did it since cfls is going to destroy it's resale value.
>>62381955
>how does any board, especially the a320 have 6+ sata ports if it says only 2
Third party controllers.
>how can you have pcie 2 x 8 support but still have 16?
You can split the x16 lanes to 2x x8 if you want CF on X370.
>>62381955
Oh, my bad, it's also via the SATA Express which failed.
So you can have up to 4x SATA natively.
>only PSU and Mobo left to arrive
>>62374932
>G4560 - poverty-tier builds
Threadly reminder that there's literally no reason to buy the G4560 when you can get an entire PC with an i5 3570 for the same price as the G4560 that performs better in games when you add a GPU
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-7010-Mini-Tower-3-4GHz-i5-3570-4GB-500GB-DVDRW-/272832402274
>>62375028
It's very good for an entry-level gaming pc with a 1050 or 1060.
>>62375096
Depending on how clean you want it to be, it could take a few seconds.
>>62382094
ah, third party controllers. what do they communicate over without having bandwidth issues?
>>62382470
seems like a bad idea. used and all, ofc a 12 year old machine will be cheaper...
>>62382470
It's used, has a 30-day warranty, and has an older platform.
Would it be correct to say that an i3-4160 performs around the same as the Pentium G4560?
>>62376120
>I find my cpu getting quite hot
What are you calling "quite hot"?
>>62377728
If it's only cs go, 1050. If you play other stuff too, 1050 Ti.
I have a shit question from a europoor country. I earn around 300 EUR/358 USD a month.
I can buy a 1050 ti for 162 EUR/193 USD, or a ASUS PH-GTX1050-2G for 134 EUR/160 USD.
What do you suggest I buy? Or should I stop eating pasta and ketchup and buy some meat and say fuck it to Nvidia?
>>62382602
Roughly
>>62382637
Live within your means.
Or consider buying used off Ebay. If you're using an IGP you can get significant performance increases for very little.
>>62380075
100 is a safe margin for CPU+GPU OC.
>>62380140
kmspico
>>62382637
join a union Hans and stop voting for merkel
>>62382637
The Ti is much better. They're supposed to be 100€ and 150€, in which case the 1050 has some value, but at those prices get the Ti.
>>62380140
My dude... keys cost like 10~15€
>>62382659
>Ebay Shipping to Macedonia. Friend we are truly 3rd world here.
>>62382696
>See above
>>62382733
Thanks, 1050Ti it is.
am4 x370
gigabyte k7 vs Taichi.
which one?
I'm aware of the bios update fuckup for the gigabyte board, it's just another bullet point on a pro-cons list.
>>62382566
>>62382585
>Used
And? Hardware doesn't just die overnight even if it's used unless it's been used in a mining rig or something. And even if it would die within something like a year you'd only be out 100 bucks. There's no point in buying the G4560 since it doesn't have any upgrade path worth mentioning at all.
>>62374932
Hey /pcbg/, yesterday you guys helped me out with my budget build (thank's again for that) and i just had a quick question regarding my OS of choice, i was thinking of using a linux based operating system (suggestions apreciated) because its free, and i am growing to window's more and more with each passing moment of my existence. My question is, how much strain does WINE tend to put on a computer? can i expect significant frame drop, or use of resources from it? if so, is there anyway to offset it?
>>62383054
Install Gentoo.
>>62383183
Bitch i might
>>62383054
linux mint
>>62383054
Void w/ Wayland.
>>62382842
Which features do you want?
Does the M.2 placement affect you on gigabyte?
>>62383418
>>62383334
Benifits of each?
>>62384173
Void. It's not Xorg. It doesn't have Systemd. Installation is simple. I mean, if your just starting out with Linux you should probably run something simple like Mint that does just werk.
any room for improvements on my HTPC?
>CPU: Phenom II X4 965 @3.4GHz, stock cooler
>Mobo: ASRock 880GM-LE FX
>RAM: old Patriot Viper 4GB DDR3
>GPU: GB GT 1030
>PSU: chink 380W
>HDD: WD WD1002FBYS 1TB
>>62384254
A better paying job.
>State the budget for your build (and country if not USA)
$1750 is my limit
Canada
>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate
Paladins, stock charts, 7 days to die
>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
I'd like something higher end that would allow me to delve into VR
I don 't know what the fuck im doing but am set on building a computer. Can anyone point this autist in the right direction?
>>62384290
not an option in hoholstan
I'm building a whole new rig .. I'm still hesitating with the graphic card and i just received a mail from the the seller, telling me he got a fresh pack of Radeon RX 580 Gaming X - 8 Go in stock at 370€
Since all the 8GO was out of stock, i was gonna buy a 1060 - 6 Go at 322€
I already have a screen without freesync, but i plan to connect two more screen on the card for twitch & shit. I plan to play games on 1080p and i'm afraid one of the card will go out of stock again.
So, which one should i get ?
Picture is card related, i read she got huge noise problem, no other RX 580 - 8GO are available atm.
>>62384501
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9XGwWX
You could go cheaper on the CPU, GPU and storage, and of course, the case and MB are really subjective.
>>62384501
>>62384977
If it's $1750 US get a 1070 or 1080
$1750 CA get a 1060 or 1070
Ryzen 1600 for either
How decent is a phenom x6 ii 1055t ?
Does it hold up well in games or should i just upgrade for a whole new system?
>>62384772
The 580 is generally better than the 1060, but not at that price difference. I'd go for the 1060. Either should do just fine, though.
>>62384772
Neither are good buys.
Especially not the 580.
>>62385070
Yeah i was wondering the same .. But still, is the 2 more gigs will be usefull in the future ?
>>62385135
Thanks, but what card could be better at that range price ? I'm not willing to spend more than 380€
>>62385491
Where do you live?
>>62385646
Belgium
>>62385748
If you feel compelled to buy an overpriced GPU, get the 1060 6GB. The RX 580 is only slightly faster, and you might as well look at a 1070 at that point.
>>62385986
He can just get a 4GB version, it should be around 280€ in yurop. It's the exact same card basically, unlike the GTX 1060 6/3 GB versions.
>>62386764
What's the deal with 1060?
>>62386764
I don't know what the prices are there, but if they're what they are here, the 4GB will still be crazily priced, and even were it the same price as a 1060 6GB, you'd need a hole in your head to prefer it.
>>62386825
The 3GB version is castrated on more levels than just the memory. I'm too lazy to look up the exact differences.
>>62386930
>and even were it the same price as a 1060 6GB, you'd need a hole in your head to prefer it.
It depends. The 4GB should cost a bit less and it's better in newer games if you only plan on playing at 1080p. I also prefer AMD cards for streaming/recording with OBS.
You also get Freesync if you like such gimmicks.
Why is DDR4 so expensive
>>62387146
Paying a huge, unnecessarily bloated sum for a 4GB card in 2017, when flagship games (Doom, ROTR) already have begun using that much VRAM and more when enabling higher-res textures and the like at 1080p. Not to mention using more power.
It may have a slight edge in performance, but it's going to get hammered. Maybe not in what you do today, but we're already on the edge. At 1050ti prices it's justifiable. Not at RX 580 prices.
>>62386930
>>62387146
Belgian guy again,
Price list in Belgium :
580 - 4GO - 299€
580 - 8GO - 370€
1060 - 6GO - 322€
1070 - start at 449€
1070 is out of my league so forget it, i read that 4GO graphic card start to suffer from their memory capacity in recent game. So i wonder if 6gigs will be enough for at least the next two years or if i should pay more and invest in the 8gigs radeon.
>>62387715
2 years may be pushing it, depending on what you will be doing with the card.
Don't buy the 580 8GB at 50€ extra. I'd go with the 1060 6GB.
>>62386948
The 3GB version also has 10% less CUDA Cores compared to the 6GB version (1152 vs 1280)
>>62387512
Smartphones are now using DDR4 so the demand for DDR4 chips went up
>>62387688
>Paying a huge, unnecessarily bloated sum for a 4GB
>At 1050ti prices it's justifiable
Dude, the MSRP for RX 580 is like 230€ for 4GB and 280€ for 8GB.
the GTX only has 2 more GB of memory and 4 is plenty enough already. In 2, 3 years he can always get a better card.
>>62388008
>Smartphones are now using DDR4 so the demand for DDR4 chips went up
Do you think prices will ever go down?
Rate my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cKXDsJ
>Inb4: "Monitor fps/resolution too low for 1070"
I chose IPS panel because imo Color accuracy/Stability > 120 fps/higher resolutions. I can always by another monitor with higher refresh rate some time in the future.
>Inb4: "Paying for Windows"
I don't trust illegal copies of an OS.
>>62388184
Yeah but due to the miners and the low stock, it's 100€ more and it will not go down. The MSRP price are not viable anymore. I can't click on the buy button with so many hesitations.
G4560 or r5 1400?
paired with a GTX 1050 Ti
Is there a reason the AMD FX8350 isn't mentioned, has a lot of reviews. Only con I see is that it runs hot. Should I get an R51600 instead?
friend said he got a 4k monitor for $250
i cant even find 1440p for that price
is he bullshitting?
>>62389093
dead socket. Not as good in comparison to ryzen
>>62389082
R5 1400
>>62389093
>getting shitdozer
>2017
R5 1600 all the way
>>62388184
>Dude, the MSRP for RX 580 is like 230€ for 4GB and 280€ for 8GB.
>Talking about MSRP in this environment
Serious question, are you a human being? Am I conversing with a bot?
>>62389082
1400 if you have the money.
>>62389093
Excavator is deprecated. Buy Ryzen or Kaby Lake.
>>62389093
because its shit and the r5 1600 is infinitely better
>>62387715
Either a 4gb 580 if you are at 1080p or 580 8gb if you are at 1440p or want to upgrade to 1440p any time soon or just want the futureproofing.
Dont even consider the 1060 considering you can get a 580 at a fair(ish) price in your country
>>62385069
Whole new system
That's older than Faildozer
Anyways, when does Zen 2 drop? I want to upgrade from my i7-4790K eventually.
>>62389288
>Serious question, are you a human being? Am I conversing with a bot?
Use your brain. Why say that a RX 4GB would be fine at 1050ti prices when the 1050ti costs 150€?
I'm just saying that even at MSRP prices you'll never get a RX 580 for the price of a 1050ti.
And the prices were posted here >>62387715
So it's just to show that the RX 4GB doesn't cost that much more compared to what it's supposed to cost (MSRP).
Are EVGA GTX 1060 cards good now??
>>62389805
EVGA has great customer service and their ACX coolers work this time. Also, newer cards come with memory cooling so they won't catch fire.
>>62389888
Good to hear, they are the cheapest around.
>>62389922
I have a meme for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysi2q9xYB8U
>>62389805
The NVIDIA and AMD midrange have both been obliterated by mining and their prices are skewed too high. All AIB partners are affected.
I'm trying to decide how much RAM to buy. Do I really need 16 GB if I'm just building a PC for light gaming or is 8 fine?
>>62390191
>16gb for light gaming
you don't need more than 1gb for "light" gaming.
>>62390191
8 is fine.
>>62389220
>>62389288
>>62389399
>>62389188
noted
Will I need to replace the stock R5 1600 fan or is it good enough for games maybe 2-3 hours a day, weekends 4-5 hours.
>>62390191
define "light gaming"
>>62390413
R5 1600 comes with Wraith Spire and TIM applied which is pretty decent.
"No"
>>62390191
8GB is fine but WTF is "light gaming"? Farmville? Runescape?
>>62390191
8gb is fine
i can only think of one or two games that require 16gb and most of massively optimized pieces of shit
>>62390413
if you don't overclock it's great, if you do then yes. and yeah it'll be fine as long as you also have a good airflow
I'm trying to verify some advice I got in one of these threads a few weeks ago.
I'm buying an AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor as my CPU and have considered pairing it with a Corsair - H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler, but someone told me that the CPU I was getting had cooling enough that I really didn't need a liquid cooler. Is that true, or should I get the liquid cooler regardless?
>>62390772
1. The stock cooler is fine
2. Are you really going to spend that much on a cooler when your CPU is so cheap?
>>62390832
If the stock cooler is fine, then the answer is no.
>>62390772
stick with the stock cooler
AMD Ryzen 5 1600
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W
Corsair Air 540 Case
What would be my best mobo for this setup, tell me if I should change anything. Ill get memory after motherboard.
>>62391653
any b350 board. msi or asus.
will 1600 bottleneck 1080? Also, is there point in buying 1080, with volta being so close?
>>62391746
Didn't they say Volta is for 2019?
i have the opportunity to buy a 1700x for 20 more than a 1700. I also have a cooler that I would be using on either of them. Would it be worth the extra 20 for a better chance at 3.9 or 4.0?
>>62391746
Volta isn't coming until late 2018 at most.
>>62391746
>bottleneck
at 1080p yes, for high resolutions no
>volta so close
if late 2018 is close, then yes
>>62391746
No.
That's not to say there aren't situations where higher CPU performance wouldn't do better, but it's not a severe, obvious constraint.
>is there point in buying 1080
There's no date for Volta yet.
rate/10
[spoiler]amd shills raus[/spoiler]
>>62392303
efficient home heating system/10
>>62392303
2x8GB
not
4x4GB
>>62391746
go for the 1080.
>>62391844
not how it works
cpu usage doesnt increase at lower resolutions. it just looks like a bottleneck because cpu and gpu usage are closer together
When does Ryzen 2 drop?
>tfw still 4790K
Also fuck these GPU prices mang I can't buy a decent GPU
holy fuck caselabs is expensive but they make me erect
I'm looking to buy a new monitor and I'm getting overwhelmed. I'm trying to spend around $250 but I have no idea what to get. Is 144hz worth it if my gaming consists mostly of casual games and League? It looks like the best I can do at this price for 144hz is the Viewsonic XG2401, otherwise it looks like the Acer G257HU is the best. Any thoughts on these, or any other recommendations?
>>62393169
>relative performance drops
>compared to a 7700k or similar scaling is different
>not a bottleneck
at lower resolutions the gpu has to be fed faster to keep up with the higher frame rates. you can see this is the relative performance drop moving up or down resolutions. The 1600 has lower performance in 1080p relative to 4k than something like a 7700k, suggesting a bottleneck
>>62384977
>>62385063
I edited that a bit, how does this look?
By the way would you recommend cooling?
>>62393169
>>62393359
beyond that, the lower clock speed with similar ipc, while offering higher cores suggests that while the full resources of the cpu are not being utilized, it is however bottle necking performance. We can see this with CPUs like the 8350, where cpu usage might be lower than something like a 7700k, but total performance is actually far lower
Is it worth to wait for Volta or in October buy gtx 1070 mini?
>>62393465
Why mini?
>>62393465
Volta isn't coming for at least half a year. Vega was so bad that Nvidia could safely delay it.
>>62393414
stock is alright but if you plan to heavy overclock I'd get a better air cooler
>>62393465
Don't wait for Volta. It's still too far.
>>62393547
My case is too small
What's the smallest/neatest HTPC case at the moment? I'm looking for something that will basically just fit an ITX board, a picopsu and nothing else.
>>62393882
When will caselets ever learn?
>>62393933
Probably one of Fractal's.
>>62394054
>Got 1080 Ti for new build
>Thougt normal ATX boards were waste of space because I don't need several PCIe slots
>Corsair Air 240 looked great
>Looking more closely at it I found out the card and cooler can't even fit it
>Get Thermaltake Core V21 instead and everything fits nicely
Are cryptominers like scalpers and they'll just keep buying up supply until the market crashes or will there eventually be enough units to satiate demand?
>>62394204
when all the cryptos crash, the miners will try and sell all their hardware, tanking the prices
Who exactly are miners
Shills for the company with multiple accounts? or just random niggers who bought a bunch of cards and are selling them independently?
>>62394320
Miners are people who bought graphics cards (someone bought so many that they had to rent a whole plane to deliver them) to mine virtual currency.
Please tell me sidegrading to a Ryzen 1400 from a core i3-4160 is a bad idea.
>>62394433
Is it really a sidegrade though?
4C/8T vs 2C/4T
Also you can OC
>>62394480
>Is it really a sidegrade though?
I wonder. I don't do anything thread-intensive and games seem to run fine on haswells, with some bottlenecking most likely, but very playable at silky smooth 30fps.
>>62394433
It's an upgrade.
>>62394547
Don't upgrade until your components are no longer doing what you want.
User 980 for ~$200 or used 1060 for ~260 (t-thanks miners)?
Is 4 GB going to be a problem in the next 3 years? Using 1080p and upgrading from 560 SE.
>>62394942
Define problem.
We're already using that much VRAM in some games under some settings.
>>62394547
Pretty sure if you do more research that it's an actual upgrade especially since:
R3 competes with i3
R5 competes with i5
R7 competes with i7
>>62394942
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1716?vs=1777
Probably get the 980. I'm not sure which 1060 they used but I think it's the 6GB one.
I have Ryzen ITX parts on the way but I'm second guessing my motherboard choice. Is the Gigabyte AB350 Gaming really that bad? Only other option is ASRock Fatality or the overpriced Biostar X370.
>>62394412
>(someone bought so many that they had to rent a whole plane to deliver them)
Please tell me you are not serious, renting a whole plane to deliver them pretty much means they bought out a few (dozens even?) pallets of them
>>62395073
The layout for the Gigabyte board is extremely weird though
>tfw Asus still hasn't announced any Mini ITX boards for AM4 so I can fall for the Mini ITX meme
Shit, I got a little thermal paste on a pin. What do?
>>62394433
>>62394861
This. Only upgrade to a new CPU if yours is starting to too slow for your needs.
Unless you need these extra cores right away for encoding and shit, but if that's the case then you should get at least a 1600.
>>62395191
I can handle a weird layout as long as it works ok
>>62395191
http://www.pcgamer.com/cryptocurrency-miners-are-renting-boeing-747s-to-ship-graphics-cards/
>>62395210
Clean it off the top of the pin so that it can make contact with the socket/CPU. Thermal paste is nonconductive so it doesn't matter if some of it stays stuck in between pins as long as the CPU and socket still make contact.
Just found out my R5 1600 was made in week 14, so it's potentially affected by the segfault issue, right? Can I RMA it just from that or do I need to actually encounter the bug? I don't use linux right now but if I wanted to down the road, I'd hate to be crippled and out of warranty
Any advice?
Recommend me a PC to watch porn in 4k
>>62395813
How to check that?
who /arsonist/ here
>>62377773
>>62378132
>>62382628
ordered EVGA SC 1050Ti today thanks senpai. I honestly would have wanted a RX570 (planning this build i even had 580 dreams) but theyre ridiculously expensive used or new so yeah. 1050Ti it is
>>62395898
It's printed on the cpu
>>62396085
Well shit.
Roast it: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HNnKwV
It's a poorfag build, for a friends friend.
>>62396237
>750W PSU
>225W maximum load
How about no.
Corsair 100R as poverty case is fine right?
>>62396271
The idea was expandable PC, no one wants to be on a 560 and 1200 forever. After all it's for a gaymer.
Has anyone ever done a mineral oil build? I'm thinking of doing one in a giant tank because it would look as cool as an actual aquarium but I can probably look after a PC better than fish. I want to go as wireless as possible so that I don't have to deal with wicking. Is there any way I can reduce the number of wires lower than
>power wire
>ethernet for in-home streaming
>>62396547
>Has anyone ever done a mineral oil build?
Lots of people have and 100% of them later regretted it. One of those things that sounds cool until you're the one doing the annoying maintenance for it.
>>62396497
Corsair makes reliably okay cases.
>>62396532
Even the most over the top build could be adequately supplied in the 550-650W range of PSUs.
750W+ is edging into HEDT territory.
>my budget is $1000
>my most played game is swtor and I'd like to be able to run it at 60fps on ultra, but I'd like to play real games
3440 x 1440 or 4k lads?
I'm stuck between either getting a 34" ultrawide or a 4k screen. Should I just dump 4k for 3440 x 1440? is there a noticeable difference?
Is the entry level gaming build on pcpartpicker an okay jumping off point. I need a computer for ~600 dollars and I want to build one, but I just don't really have the time or the desire to do a bunch of research and figure out a build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/B4v6Mp/entry-level-intel-gaming-build
I mostly just want to play some games on it and record music. I mostly play old games, but I would like to be able play something like the new DOOM maybe.
>>62396878
Depends on your priorities bro. I have a 1080p ultrawide and it's great. It's not really a decision where one is clearly better than the other - ultrawide is definitely a nicer form factor in that it will totally fill your vision and immerse you, but 4k can look pretty amazing too if you care a lot about resolution.
>>62396838
>SWTOR
Man, I used to play during the Hutt Cartel expansion. I had a Sith Juggernaut, Sith Assassin, and Mercenary.
I mean $1000 can get you pretty far but GPU and RAM prices are fucked.
>>62397035
Damn, can I seriously not run swtor on ultra for $1k?
>>62397035
>he only played Imperial
>>62395958
the card is pretty good. have the same one and it rarely gets to high temp even under load
>>62396885
it's pretty good. you can also check out the ryzen 1300x if you're okay with shelling out a bit more cash. Doom also runs well even on the 1050tu so you should be good
>>62397081
I don't like Republic scum
I tried to play on the blue side, but they seemed to really fucking suck as a playerbase.
>>62397178
But if the good players don't play on the Republic side, then how will the playerbase quality ever rise?
>>62397035
Inquisitor was the best story line and had the best girl.
>>62397244
Republic was really good in the doge fighter PVP for some reason and it was 50/50 at higher levels in normal PVP. Then again, I did fight a lot of IMPERIALS as an imperial in the PVP scenarios, which are just blue vs red team simulations anyways.
SWTOR AFAIK still uses that shitty """"Beta""""" HERO engine which is top keks and the fleet hubs lagged really badly no matter what.
>>62397291
>pub fleet lagged really badly no matter what
As someone who's played the last 4 years, it lags everywhere no matter what.
>>62390772
If you're getting that kind of cooler then just get a Ryzen 7.
Should a 1060 6GB SC at 75 degrees Celsius have a fan speed of 75%/2900 RPM?
>>62397865
At stock settings? Probably.
>>62397984
Would you recommend a custom fan curve? I don't like hearing it that loud, but don't know if the temps it's reaching can handle that.
>>62398188
Default temp limit is 83°C (I think) and max limit is 92°C (I think)
Going up to 83 is fine, up to 92 if you don't want to maximize your card life.
>>62398250
I never ever had a PC die from heat death before. The cooler and bearings will die long before a card dies from thermal degradation.
>>62398250
Alright I'll see if I can't figure out how to curve it towards that. Thanks.
>>62398309
I count that toward card life.
Who wants to buy a new cooler when you could just buy a new card?
>>62398333
Depends. A cooler can go for 20-50 bucks while a card can be upwards of a few hundred. Regardless, heat will affect your card life but it will be obsolete long before heat kills it.
>>62397865
Which card do you have? Sometimes a repaste will drop your temps and if you have a decent cooler with copper/zinc cool-plates you can use liquid metal on the die and plate.
>>62398518
EVGA 1060 6GB SC.
Will a Ryzen 5 1600 bottleneck a GTX 1080Ti?
>>62398532
Well since it's EVGA you can replace the TIM without voiding the warranty so I would do that. I doubt you can use liquid metal on that cooler so just use whatever you have lying around.
Do you guys like case windows?
>>62398727
No.
>>62398619
No. Bottleneck is a term to liberally thrown around here. Unless your CPU is ancient, don't worry about it.
My psu has a silent operation mode that turns off the fan at low load. Do you guys think I should turn it on or let the fan run freely?
>>62398727
Yes.
>>62398727
Maybe
>>62398727
No.
>>62374932
/g/ I NEED YOUR HELP
deals gonna run out soon
do I get an i5 7600k + MSI z270 gaming titanium for $305 bucks after MIR (shit even comes with a good headset, which i need, so saved me another $40)
or Ryzen 1600 + b350 Asus and I get free Everspace Game and Quake Champions (dont care so much for these games)
i dont really know about the 7600k. Deal seems good tho.
>>62398625
Oddly enough I'm using the "Quiet" fan curve setting and my temps are remaining relatively the same while the fan isn't spinning any much faster. What the fuck?
sup guys Im gonna build a 1080p/144hz PC
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FHxCTH
Should I pull the trigger?
So is the Ryzen 1700 not worth it? How much of a difference in gayms?
>>62398869
How much for the ryzen?