/hpg/ Headphone General

>>62369413
zs5 owner here. Who's getting the zs6? I might just for the metal shell, when the price drops.

Do I buy schiit fulla 2 or a good motherboard?
for hd600

>>62369522
You buy the fulla 2, unless you use an eq. The fulla 2 distorts around the 12-3 mark. Buy the schiit stack to solve this if you don't care about the money.

>>62369522
magni 2 and cheap chinese dac

>>62369522
A good motherboard should be plenty enough.

How do I get an /hpg/ gf? which one of you anime girls wants some?

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>>62369624

>>62369645
Hi cutie. I like your meme hat

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>>62369656

>>62369677
thats mean! Don't worry I can tame the beast with my slithery penis.

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>>62369728

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>62369746
Please don't do this to me animegf. We belong together

>>62369825
Anything cheaper and somewhat good + EQ.

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>>62369849

>>62369825
fuck off

>>62369560
>fulla 2 distorts around the 12-3 mark
not mine

>>62369856
please look at this
>>62369876

>>62369618
which one would you recommend? I'm thinking about buying gigabyte gaming 3 b350

>>62369892
please, look at this
>>62369876

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will this make me bald?

>>62369875
Are you suggesting I am an anime girl too? im pretty cutie ngl

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>>62369941

>>62369934
no because you will be in the comfortZone™ ██

>>62369522
My fulla 2 has much more detail and volume than motherboard audio with HD600's.

Any other blutooth earbuds beside the jaybirds x3 for the price?

>>62369934
nah, they are actually great. Feels very comfortable even if you wear glasses and the sound is good if you not autist who only uses studio headphones.
You will pull out like 4 hairs in a year and after ~1.5 years the cable will break somewhere.

>>62369934
No but they sound great for the money.

>>62369878
They all do.

Listen again, properly.

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>>62369522
Try it on your motherboard.
Is it distorted? Is it too quiet? Then buy an amp. Else, just enjoy.

>>62370056
why don't you post what led you to believe they all distort?

>>62369616
what's a good cheap chinese dac?

>>62370100
I sold mine after hearing a friends magni. The fulla is great for the money, but it's a known fact that it distorts around the 12-3 mark. If you don't need to go that high then great, but you most likely will. The distortion isn't anything crazy, but it's there, and if I'm spending this much money on headphones+amps then it's not acceptable. I used the fulla and the magni with my 600's.

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>>62369413
Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>62370225
That really sounds like Schiit sent you a defective product. Return it and get a new one.

>>62369958
So yo going to give my your digits bb?

>>62370225
I have played classical recordings on full volume and heard no distortion. I also own a Vali 2 and have heard Schiit's whole lineup. Never seen anything that shows they have a known distortion problem.

>>62370141
I have this one and it works just fine for me
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/dac/32552457818.html
You could also try this one and see how it goes
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/dac/32813323377.html

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>>62370289
>>62370320

It's pretty well known that the fulla distorts at a certain point. I'm not shit talking, I love the fulla 2 and it's the best entry level amp by far. The magni does sound slightly better though, whether you believe the distortion or not. Pic related is my friends fulla, I sold mine like I said.

>>62370499
>It's pretty well known
I get that you keep claiming that but where's the proof?

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So /hpg/ we can all agree that the th-x00ph are the best headphones under $500 right?

>>62370555
I can't prove it.

I'm saying that it is known in general, never mind the fact that multiple anons have reported the same on here since it was released. Either way it's not as nice sounding as the magni, you don't need the modi at all though. A cheap random dac should do. I just wanted the stack for the sake of it.

The fulla2 is still the best budget amp+dac combo.

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>>62370499 >>62370225
Idol trash here. Same schiit.
Pic related, HD600 is attached to the fulla2. I'm using it that way right now (although I'm back on das keyboard), for testing purposes. Been like this for a few days.
Fulla 2 sounds really fucking good, and I'm using it around 8 to 10 o'clock range depending on what I'm doing. It's loud enough at this range, and doesn't distort.
It does sound odd near max volume, but only because I have the magni to compare it against, else I wouldn't even know. Those volumes are TOO LOUD anyway; I find fulla2 is a fine choice even for the HD600.

>>62370574
600 owner here. What are they similar to? I have never heard a good sounding closed headphone before, but they look nice, and are supposed to be great?

>>62370609
Agreed, but I add a little sub bass to my 600's so I go over the 12 mark all the time. I did before the EQ sometimes from what I remember. Some songs and sources are quiet, and I don't want to be limited by an amp after spending so much money on headphones. The fulla 2 will do for most, but not for me.

>>62370574
t.Qwantez

>>62370620
a much much better m50x

>>62370499
Who are these people that make this a "well known"? If it clips on its own signal, that represents incompetent design. Why would you suggest it?

Beware the shills should stay in the op

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>>62370603
>it is known in general
???

>>62370756
/g/'s paranoia over shills is rather cancerous and only leads to shitposting.

>>62370574
I'm thinking about getting them but idk. Theb$500 range is soooo bad. Hd700, dt1770, dt1990.

Daily reminder that Apple IEMs (ADDIEM) are the best IEMs ever (or at least under 200 USD for the price of 80 USD, even lower if you buy them second hand, down to 30 USD).

>>62370796
the fostex line is the best v sounding headphones you can buy, there's no true upgrade from them

>>62370816
That's not the Etymotic MK5.

>>62370857
Lacks bass.

>>62370729
People across the internet, since I don't know enough people in real life who care about this shit. Anyway, like I said, the magni sounds better to me anyway. Even at lower volumes.

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>>62370900
t.Quadell

>>62370782
I literally don't give a shit about graphs, because I have my own ears. The fulla is an amazing thing in general. Let's leave it at that.

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>>62370942

>>62370942
>I refuse to accept science for the sake of satisfying my confirmation bias
well done anon

>>62371018
I'm still right.

>>62371031
The magni is better. Pull up more graphs.

>>62371046
>listen to my opinion
>I have no proof and reject evidence to the contrary

>>62371120
The magni sounds better than the fulla 2.

Are you trying to tell me that the fulla is the end game? is it the best amp that money can buy?

Be honest.

>>62371151
I'm not even part of the argument or the person you were arguing with

>>62371151
Nobody is claiming the fulla 2 is the best amp money can buy, just pointing out that you have no basis to claim it has well known distortion problems.

>>62370938
That's a lack of bass. If you ever listened to those Etymotics you would know.

>>62371192
If you're big enough to get involved at least answer the question.

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>Budget
Around 50 Euro

>Location
Germany

>Source
Smartphone, Macbook

>Type of headphone
In Ear, with sound blocking

>Comfort level
Cable over ear

>Sound signature
Just not too much bass

>Past headphones
KZ ATE
I washed them, microphone broke and I call a lot of people while I'm doing my stuff in the city.

The Microphone should be good, because I need it for, well, calling people and my Macbook Microphone broke, so for Online Voice Chats too

>>62371228
backup the claims that you have made

>>62371207
Like I said, it has been mentioned here many times by multiple anons. It's a great all in one, but the magni is slightly better.

To answer the guys original questions for a second time. Buy the fulla instead of a motherboard.

>>62371252
I already said that I can't, I'm an honest man unlike most people who post here. All I could do was post the magni and the fulla to prove that I have owned both. I sold my fulla because the magni sounds better. The end.

>>62371218
>objectively accurate bass is a lack of bass
t.A'Darrion

>>62371328
in the future you should buy an a/b switch and a decibel meter so you can volume match and atleast do a proper N=1

>>62371218
Etys have no bass that's why they're excellent for gaming like the ad700s

>>62371400
>objectively accurate bass is a lack of bass
t.Datreon

>>62370816
Also sold as the the Earmax ER600 for quite a bit less money. If you prefer a more Ety-like sound, you can use a series impedance adapter like the 4P->4S.
If you don't drive it loud, the timbre is okay.

>>62370782
Link?

>>62371371
>decibel meter
Voltmeter.

>>62371371
That would be interesting but I'm at the point where I can't see myself buying new equipment again. I own the schiit stack and 600's. I have owned many headphones and amps and this is the best for me so far. If I ever buy something new I'll keep an a/b switch in mind, but I doubt I will for quite a few years.

>>62371359
Earphones need a bass boost that's not seen in frequency response graphs. If you listen to bassy tracks with Etymotics the sound isn't bassy enough. They have a clear lack of bass. The Apple IEMs on the other hand have a slight bass boost to reach a perfectly accurate frequency response. Keep in mind it's still being described as thin by others, even though they have more bass than Etymotics.

>>62371400
>good because of gaming
I shiggy diggy

>>62371459
Thanks for the tip.

>>62371459
http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/schiit-fulla-2-aio-dac-headamp-quick-impressions-and-review.4651/

>>62371328
I can back this anon up. I'm not sure what it's doing (might be clipping) but it don't sound right to me. Sold mine for the element.

Thoughts on KZ ED9?
Are its tunning nozzles a meme?

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Just got a pair of the RHA ma750is and they are wonderful.

Very comfortable and secure around the ears. The wire is a bit long but it is pretty sturdy.

I had to replace the silicone tips with the comply foam tips from amazon which I find much more comfortable.

does /hpg/ like RHA?

>>62370942
While i don't disagree that having actual listening experience is far more important than just checking graphs (which, imho, is the source of most of /hpg/ shiposting), actual measurements of gear can help one to better understand it and can serve as point of refference, in your particular case i'd say either the measurements has something wrong or your device had, second one being more likely, it's weird that distortion like you reported goes without more attention.

>>62371520
I'll start by saying that the zs5 is better, so buy that instead. Though the ed9 is one of the better chink iems. The nozzles are a meme, unless your name is tyrone. Avoid if you don't like heavy iems in your ears.

>>62371328
If you had started with that there never would have been a problem. Saying that its "pretty well known" over and over again sounds like you arn't secure enough in your own opinion without some kind of (real or imagined) crowd to back it up. Just because people repeat it doesn't make it true, you don't see anyone taking flat earthers seriously even though I guarentee there's more of them than people who have claimed the Fulla 2 has distortion problems.

>>62371419
Sorry about your sensory overload

Hope you get well soon

>>62371534
I've got the t20i's.

Super happy with them, they came with two pairs of medium comfort comply tips that I've been using since I got them a month ago.

>>62371586
>>62371615

Fulla 2 has pretty bad QC, so it wouldn't surprise me if many anons had the issue he's describing.

>>62371586
What I'm saying is fairly common though. I didn't want to believe it when I had my fulla, but I heard the distortion for myself. I wish it wasn't the case. I literally listen to my own ears, and for me it was real. I'd rather have a small all in one usb powered unit than a huge (in comparison) schiit stack that powers by the mains. I can't say the modi is better in anyway, but the magni definitely is.

>>62371534
>>62371656
do they block sound from outside enough?

>>62371250
this was muh post

>>62369897
Gigabyte ime has good sounding on-board sound chipps

>>62371608
Thanks anon

>>62371459
How would you rate the ER600? Do you prefer them over some Etymotics, for example?

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>>62371656

I was looking at the t20is but I was afraid that they would overdo it on the treble. Kind of like beyerdynamics.

>>62371681
I have the 750is and yes they do an great job with the foam tips. They work like earplugs - roll them in your fingers and then put them in you ears. When they go back to their natural shape, they make a pretty good seal.

They also come with pic related in the top right that are supposed to really block sound.

>>62371681

When the are properly inserted, even without music playing I struggle to have conversations with people.

On public transport I can hardly hear anything with them at a reasonable level. Basically nothing if I max the volume (and they can handle that pretty well).

Only complaint is the range on the high end could be better, a few of the podcasts I listen to don't sound that great on them.

>>62371827

Am talking about t20i's here..

>>62370921
That's not very convincing.
Anecdotes such as yours are very fallible and easily influenced, even you are being honest as can be.

>>62371496
Seems good into a fairly low signal level. Not exactly hard.
More pertinent questions to be answered are behavior closer to (5/sqrt(2)) Vrms and with low impedance loads.

>>62371501
Clipping is specifically larger signals only. Or were you not subjecting to a similar high impednace load?

>>62371487
>Earphones need a bass boost that's not seen in frequency response graphs.
No, they don't, Delashaun.

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>>62371459
>Also sold as the the Earmax ER600
Fried chicken and collard greens: the earphone.

>>62371996
Absolutely disgusting.

>>62371886
It may just be a rise in distortion that happens with most amps as they approach maximum output. Either way, fulla 2 distorts. I agree with that anon. Have you actually heard the fulla 2?

>>62372055
I was done, but now you have appeared so I'll gladly watch you both go back and fourth. I have said all that I needed to say. The fulla is amazing, but it's not perfect.

>>62371996
>/r/
HP
>Budget
<80€
>Location
Fr
>Source
Phone/computer
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
whatever
>Comfort level
Most comfy
>Sound signature
whatever but neutral if possible

It's for a friend's birthday, thanks /hpg/

>>62371962
It's true. Again, if you ever listened to music with some etymotics, you would have noticed that bassy tracks lack bass.

>>62372157
t.Cevonté

>>62371996
That's pretty good.

>>62369825
List of headphones better than the HD600s:
HD800S
HD800
HE 1
HE1000 V2
SUSVARA
SHANGRI-LA
Edition X V2
SR-L700
SR-007MK2
SR-009
Utopia
Elear
LCD-X
MDR-Z1R
AB-1266
C FLOW

Maybe when you get a real job you'll be able to get out of the mid-fi hell kid.

>>62372175
t.Diontray

>>62372145
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/sennheiser-hd-471-affordable-sealed-over-ear-headphones

>>62372182
>HD800
Stopped reading there.

>>62372222
figured you'd stop reading on stuff you haven't tested.

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>>62372187
They are only slightly bassier to the Shure SE535, which are by no means a basshead earphone.

>>62372121
Honestly, this sort of bullshit "you can't prove its bad" garbage needs to stop. We should evaluate claims of good performance very carefully, but by and large claims of bad performance can be acknowledged with much less suspicion, even given a lack of measurement to support them. (Although obviously measurements to the contrary nullify the entire argument) You can apply this sort of pedanticism to just about every piece of audio gear out there. "But you can't prove that this $3 USB sound card is crap." Sure, but at some point, there's common sense. It's moronic and a waste of time to demand objective scientific proof for something that should be common knowledge and common sense. Fulla 2 distorts at high volumes. This has been corroborated by many anons, many of which are likely objectivists in their own right. Demanding nonexistent measurements is simply contrarianism for its own sake.

>>62372182
I have never tried any of the headphones you listed, but goddamn they must be amazing if they're all better than the 600.

>>62371996
Jesus that's a lot of melanin.

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>>62372187
post and timestamp your ear dildos/headphones, anon. surely you have experience with etys and better audio equipment

>>62372309
Funny that you say that because most people describe them as thin.

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>>62372203
Hey seems perfect, thx from /k/ anon

>>62372277
If it distorts at high volumes it would be easy to show with measurements

>>62372344
Nobody has measured it and you know that. RAA is the only site which does measurements which would demonstrate this. You are being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

>>62372277
I agree and this is how I have always felt when it comes to /hpg/ in general. I have heard blatant differences in headphones and amps, but certain fags here always try to insist that I'm wrong because of a particular graph that they have seen. They literally trust an image over their own ears.

>>62372430
Objective measurements aren't subject to confirmation bias and post-purchase rationalization.

If you had 500 USD to spend on a headphone, which one would buy?

>>62372430
For amplifiers, the differences should be readily measurable but ONLY if the measurements are in depth enough, like the ones at RAA and a few SBAF measurements. Most measurements don't tell you nearly enough about an amp to conclude transparency. As for headphones, your ears will inevitably differ from others' so people telling you you're wrong about what you heard have zero basis in reality.

>>62372388
Is this not a distortion measurement?
>>62370782

>>62372468
HD600, obviously. Same answer for $1,000, $2,000, etc.

>>62372442
I agree but measurements don't show the whole picture when it comes to headphones and amps. Take soundstage as an example.

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>Budget
Around 160 Euro

>Location
France

>Source
Smartphone, Desktop (no amps or dacs)

>Type of headphone
Over-the-Ear Closed Back

>Comfort level
Good for 3h+ of use

>Sound signature
neutral i guess

>Past headphones
gamer crap and a shitty JBL j88i that broke after 2 months.

>>62372544
Soundstage is a meme and a trivial concern.

>>62372533
And what volume is it at, pray tell?

>>62372567
Sound stage is very real and cannot be measured.

'Soundstage is a meme' just proves mine, and that other guys point. You're literally a robot.

>>62372587
0.525Vrms into 330ohms

>>62372590
But anon, the idea of soundstage is literally a meme. Literally.

>>62372603
And is that past 3 o'clock (where I personally remember the distortion starting)?

>>62372590
Not the same Anon, but i belive we can't measure it because no one is really putting effort into it, i mean, there are clues about it, we know how it works on speakers, we know being on the sweet spot is required and that headphones (in theory) always have the listener on the sweet spot, we know angled drivers can change stage, we know some headphones such as k702 have wider stage whille HD600 has a narrow one, which could be related to a number of reasons...
It's more a matter of an actual engineer who understand acoutics putting some thought on it.

Best headphone around $250 that is closed and portable in a backpack or a iem? If it needs amplification that's okay.
I'm thinking the bo play h6

>>62372671
Etymotic ER-4SR

>>62372660
>we know some headphones such as k702 have wider stage whille HD600 has a narrow one, which could be related to a number of reasons...
>It's more a matter of an actual engineer who understand acoutics putting some thought on it.

This is my exact point. Certain fags here think they know everything because they can read a graph.

>>62372055
>rise in distortion that happens with most amps as they approach maximum output
The sharp rise is usually the signal clipping. Or were you referring to a different part?
>heard it
Very brief listen, and I wasn't interested in listening to it. Let's just say no. If they did their job right there would be nothing to listen for.

>>62371794
Shallower insert. Overall tuned like Olive-Welti rather than DF, if you understand that.
Smooth response and generally lacks dips and sudden swings in the response. Can be better than HF5 and stock ER4(all versions) in this regard.
Does have a good amount more bass than Etys, and that a matter of taste. With an impedance adapter (75-100 ohm), the tone shifted upward, and basically becomes the poor man's ER4XR.
My concerns are poor ruggedness and playback level. Not the best set to pump a lot of sound into your ears.

>>62372430
You don't listen with just your ears, and that's a core problem of audiophile behavior. Audio enthusiasts grasp at anything they can tie to their experience, price, circuit layout, cable color, etc. I have a story or two about this, tricking someone into thinking they were listening to a source that wasn't a Sansa Clip.

>>62372623
How? sound stage isn't a meme at all. Have you ever tried multiple, full sized open headphones before? Like I said previously, the 702 has amazing sound stage and the 600 has next to zero. I prefer the 600 because it sounds better in every other way, though I'd like it even more if the sound stage was better. The problem then, is that they wouldn't sound like 600's in the first place. This is the beauty of headphones.

>>62372222
hd600 needs to be eq'd to be neutral, and eq'd hd800 to neutral is far superior to an hd600 eq'd to neutral

>>62372741
>fags here think they know everything because they can read a graph.
Well, that's the source of most shitposting here, isn't it? Headphone X is perfect because it measures like this, headphones Y sucks for the same reason, no care for actual testing them (nor any other), hell, people defend neutral headphones but don't even understand the circle of confusion.

>>62372795
Yes exactly, shitposting.

This is an anonymous board filled with immature people who can't except when they're wrong.

>>62372783
Look up the definition of meme. The idea of soundstage is literally a meme. I never said soundstage didn't exist.

>>62372760
>he hasn't listened to it
Then you have less of a leg to stand on than the rest of us. Until you can prove verifiable measurements, the vast majority of the evidence - even if it may be anecdotal - points one way, and contradicting it is being unreasonable.

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>the HD600 were first introduced in 1994 as the HD580
>it is 23 years later
>they are still the best full-sized headphones in the world at any price
Why?

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About a year+ ago some anon recommended these LZ-A4 as i was looking for something above average in sound, very durable, and below ~250. (for electronicsih music)

I purchased them from penon audio along with a handmade 8 core silver plated cable (as a backup) and some spinfit eartips.

Overall, it's been an amazing purchase. They are VERY durable headphones, however the cable it came with detached and failed on the wire side of the right MMCX connector about 2-3 months in. The silver 8 braid cable i got as backup has been INCREDIBLE. Just in the durability of itself it has been worth the 30$(yes expensive), but also in it's reparibility. I've tugged hard on this cable a few times on accident, and this last time it broke four wires (two for left headphone and two for ground) off their soldier joint. However, it was an incredibly easy fix as i had a soldering iron and the jack "cover" just unscrews making for easy access. I was expecting this cable to be delicate, but the braid has proved otherwise.

The only other problems i have had are the spinfit's not *really* fitting LZ-A4's (these iems have a unusually large nozzle size of 5.5-6mm) and one nozzle getting clogged somehow, making one IEM sound so quiet i thought it was broken, but removing the fiber filter in the nozzle fixed it. I think it must have gotten some liquid in it, i know i'm an idiot.

Anyway, still super happy with these, side-mention to penon for that bombproof asian packaging.

ANYWAY thanks hpg

>>62372760
>Overall tuned like Olive-Welti rather than DF, if you understand that.
Care to explain?
>Can be better than HF5 and stock ER4(all versions) in this regard.
Interesting. Any pros/cons for both?
>My concerns are poor ruggedness and playback level.
Hmm, I see.
How is detail compared to the Etymotic HF5?
And do you know where I can get the ER600? It's out of stock and Aliexpress and various other sites and I don't want to buy the Apple ones for double the price.
Still, can't believe some 30 USD earphones could beat some 120 USD ones.

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>>62372858

>>62372795
What about comparing graphs from the same source for different headphones? That should be pretty accurate to tell if a headphone has more bass or more treble than some other, right?

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I'm debating about picking up a pair of MEE Pinnacle P1 and an Oppo HA2SE. All the reviews seems good anyone use this set up and can comment or provide general comments in general? Is there something better for the price point?

>>62372876
I didn't say very much about it. I assumed the Fulla 2 was defective, and if it wasn't an unusual behavior for the model, it would reflect poor design. That is a very general statement for any product.

>>62372928
It helps, but it's an incomplete opinion.

Is cavalli liquid carbon good for $300?
Is going to be on massdrop in a few days

>>62372468
He-560

>>62372888
I agree that it's mental. I own them , but there really should be a better headphone around the same price.

>>62372935
Are they expensive? then don't bother. Buy a zs5 when it comes to iems and spend the real money on proper full sized headphones.

>>62372989
How come? I don't believe you should believe a fr graph on it's own, as the specific compensation curve can be pretty arbitrary, but when comparing graphs against each other? That sounds pretty accurate to me. Sure, you can't measure detail that way, but it's an excellent resource.

>>62373045
I already have a pair of mayflower Fostex T50RP attached to a Schiit stack (uber). I want something for on the go.

>>62373076
Try the zs5 first. They're the best cheap iem by far imo. The zs6 are nearly out and they're the same pretty much but with a metal body.

Coming from someone who used to own the t50rp's, try the zs5 before you go an buy an expensive iem. They're brilliant.

>>62373173
I don't want cheap shit though.

>>62373173
They don't sound cheap though, and for a chink iem they literally aren't cheap.

Buy them before you spend £50+ on god knows what. They're the best iem I have ever heard. I haven't heard anything above £80 but I have heard many full sized headphones above £200. The zs5's are amazing for the price

Looking for suggestions based on previous experince from those might have it. After 8 years the meme brand ASTRO A40 headset with mix amp i have has finally begone to die after no less than 6,000+ hours of use. The sound quality is still top notch and I say that having ordered and returned a pair of the $300 Sen's with mixamp that just couldn't compete. Last I checked ASTRO kind of went to shit after the A40 so I'm not sure about going back to them so I'm open to anything. Only reqs being closed ear. The reason I ask is because I'm cuiors as to whether one of you goons may have used the A40 and know of a comparative alternative. Budget is sub $400. I'm also cuiors as to people's thought on headphones and separate mic.

>>62372342
fucking reddit humor

>>62373258
>They don't sound cheap though
>I haven't heard anything above £80
>I have heard many full sized headphones above £200.

lol

>>62373275
Only a retard would spend good money on iems. The zs5 sound amazing for the money.

lol

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>>62373275
>falling for the expensive IEM meme

Are silver plated copper cables a meme?

>>62372897
>Care to explain?
A diffuse sound field is when the sound is of equal energy from all directions at once. You would not be able to identify a specific sound source. Diffuse field is the older reference standard, and the most common singular one referenced by measurements. It was set as standard by Günther Theile and other like-minded fellows (one of them Mead Killion of Etymotic) in the 1980's as the natural conclusion of target based on how they understood hearing.
Much more recently, Sean Olive and Todd Welti proposed a target curve based on subjective feedback and user selected equalization. The curve resembles a diffuse field target with less treble and more bass. Compensation based on Olive's work is the other common method, although I do not believe most of the common measurements exactly follow it.
Etymotic IEMs are generally designed around the diffuse field target, and the ER4B (4SR, MK5, and 4XR a bit less) follows it well. The ER600/ADDIEM has more bass and less treble, like Olive's target. The impedance adapter gets it much closer.
>Interesting. Any pros/cons for both?
Similar general profile, slim barrel and long sleeve tips stock. I might suggest getting shorter aftermarket versions.
Overall:
+ Slim barrel makes insertion easy
+/~ Strongly DF tuned and DF accurate
~ High sound isolation
- Has sharp dips and peaks in the treble response

The discontinued 4PT, 4S, and 4B use a different cable from the HF5. Driver is same as HF5, and 4PT uses the same circuit arrangement as HF5. Technically detachable cable, but finding properly compatible cables is a bit of challenge. 4B is supposed to be the most DF neutral, as it lacks the treble drop that the 4S has. Unfortunately, the treble spikes can mess with the sound, even though the broad "average" is flatter. Usually, you swap in a thicker damper to try and control the treble spikes better. The 4S has less treble response overall, at the risk of a treble dip. 4PT and HF5 can even be a bit dark.

I got the Aune X1S Amp/DAC combo and it works great with every headphone I throw at it. However, I can't select 384 KHz sample rate in Windows 10. It only goes up to 32 bit/192 KHz. Anyone have this problem?

>>62374331
So, this would mean the ADDIEM are closer to a natural frequency response than the Etymotics? Pretty cool!
>Has sharp dips and peaks in the treble response
Which one is this?

Thanks a lot for your post by the way, it's very appreciated. Now the only problem is finding where to buy the ER600 instead of spending twice as much on the Apple ones.

How's the soundstage on the ATH-R70x?
They measure very well and I've never had anything but good experiances with Audio-technica.

>>62374344
Did you install their drivers? Anything over 16/44 is silly anyway

>>62374383
>So, this would mean the ADDIEM are closer to a natural frequency response than the Etymotics?
No. ER-4S have the most natural-sounding frequency response of any headphones. Olive's target is bullshit. Its bass boost is the result of subjective preferences in a non-loudness-compensated test. This means that the listeners preferred stronger bass almost certainly simply because it boosted overall volume, as listener preference for louder music is well-established. The Olive target = melanin-enhanced and quite dark sounding. It doesn't sound natural at all.

>>62374642
Nah it's not. Their curve is accurate.

>>62374642
Etymotics on the other hand don't sound very natural to me though. They are pretty thin, and I'm not a fan of bassy headphones.

>>62374599
Yeah, and it allows me to adjust the sample rate to a maximum of 32 bit/ 192000 Hz. The specs say it can do a maximum of 384 Khz @ 32 bit.

>>62374642
ER-4S/ER-4SR are tuned to something similar to what a lot of hi-fi speaker enthusiasts tune their speaker setups. An example would be Bob Katz, who has mastered three Grammy-winning albums: https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/katzs-corner-episode-17-perfecting-perfection
>It's corrected to my preferred "target", which is flat from 20 Hz to 1 kHz, and a little more than 6 dB down at 20 kHz. This target sounds neither too bright nor too dull using a set of reference recordings.
This description of his hi-fi system target is, essentially, the ER-4SR's frequency response in relation to the diffuse field target.

>>62374657
>Their curve is accurate.
To subjective listener preferences in a non-loudness compensated test. It's bullshit.

>>62374690
Nope, it works. Humans perceive headphones and speakers differently. You just hate bass.

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>>62370609
Idol trash I cannot cope with this scene. How do the japs make you feel feels you didn't know you could feel?

Also I'm getting a m1060 and modding it. Fuck the hd600.
inb4
>it's gonna break in 2 weeks

>>62374710
The missing 6 dB effect is long-debunked. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690329 https://www.etymotic.com/media/publications/erl-0137-1982.pdf

>>62374926
1. Stop misinterpreting what I'm saying.
2. Stop misinterpreting your sources.
3. If the harman target was based on loudness alone, then why isn't the treble boosted as well? Fucking retard

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>Budget
$150 - $200
>Location
Argentina (I shop here: comprasparaguai.com.br)
I can order something online, but that will decrease my budget in about $50 due to shipping
>Source
PC/Smartphone
No external DAC, gotta buy one
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Open, this is a must
>Comfort level
The comfiest the better
>Sound signature
Flat. Wouldn't mind if a little bassy
>Past headphones
M50x

Thank you beforehand

>>62374331
>>62372897
4SR and 4XR use an all new driver this time, which damps the treble spikes better than the older ED. It has the 4S-like dip from 6-9kHz, a metal body, and a common detachable connector type (MMCX).
HF5 is overall more sensitive than the 4SR/4XR, which are in turn more sensitive overall than the old 4S/4B.
>And do you know where I can get the ER600?
Unfortunately, I do not. A consequence of looking away from the unstable earphones market for some months.
>Apple in-ear vs HF5
The Apple set one-ups even the 4SR/4XR in treble smoothness, whatever target.
ADD really falls apart at higher playback level. HF5 is better at this.
I am uncomfortable with suggesting a set that doesn't work well outside quiet listening though.

>>62374383
>So, this would mean the ADDIEM are closer to a natural frequency response than the Etymotics?
There's some argument about that. It's a long running debate in /hpg/ and in other audio forums. But as a little note, neither Olive nor Theile believe their work contradicts the other.
>loudness compensation
The nature of the preferences seems to suggest the opposite of what might be expected from loudness biased results. Bass boost factors in comparatively little to overall loudness perception anyway.
It doesn't eliminate that possibility. Just makes it more unlikely.

>>62372928
In general, no. Sometimes a fair comparison can be made, if you are aware of the differences.
An easy example is comparing tube coupler results of the Ety ER-4 and the Sony 7550 or EX1000. The ER-4 will not show the characteristic rising mid and treble response, whereas the Sony will show the boosted midrange and treble response more like it does in the real ear. This is not something that you can calibrate out.
The acoustic impedance of the coupler is too different from the actual ear canal. It leaves two unknowns that cannot be resolved without knowing the other, the response of the earphone and the impedance of the earphone.

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>>62372536
>>62372888
d e g e n e r a t e

>>62375093
Thanks a lot!

have you fags come to the realization the HD-600 is snakeoil yet? have you taken the next audio redpill and converted to actual professional equipment?

>>62375349
Most of us have it's just like 5 people shilling it.
It's a great reference headphone and any enthusiast should have one but there are tons of options for just listening to music. It's the best headphone for some people but I think there are other things to consider and that it shouldn't be the default rec for any open back more expensive than the shp9500 and cheaper than the elear.

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>>62369728

>>62374775
The irony of the "monoprice breaking" meme is that the m1060 has a 5 year warranty and are more durable than the hd600s anyway. Much smarter purchase imho.

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>>62375505
Yeah I'm excited to get to play with all the modifications for it. Going to buy all the different fabrics and the good audeze pads.
Until then it's 10db EQ hell.

>>62375530
those are for beyers right? No way the monomeme has treble this shit

>>62375542
990s yeah, no m1060 for about 3 weeks

>>62375349
What's your headphone of choice, faggot?

replacement cable for shure se215? thinking these https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B01BH736OG/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1505159146&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=mmcx+cable&dpPl=1&dpID=41avi70UicL&ref=plSrch

Are the dt 770s as comfy as they look?

>>62375066
HD579

>>62375557

M560 are the comfiest headphones I've used. Plus, they have supreme build quality.

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>>62376642
>Monoprice
>supreme build quality

I finally got some nice reference headphones. Now where do I get all the flac files for the obscure rock bands I like? What.cd doesn't seem to exist anymore and music-torrents is a pain in the ass to search through...

>>62377074
redacted.ch is the new what.cd

>>62376749

It's framing is 80% steel, 10% wood and 10% plastic

>>62377074
For CDs you actually own, you can use ExactAudioCopy to rip the CD into FLAC format. As for finding obscure rock bands, you'd probably be better off searching various forums for someone who has uploaded a FLAC copy of it somewhere as most legit websites that sell FLAC music probably won't have what you're looking for.

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>>62374775
>I cannot cope with this scene.
At this point, you already care for them idols. You're in too deep, too far.
>Also I'm getting a m1060 and modding it. Fuck the hd600.
Wtf, considering memeplanars with known flaws before you get a good reference to compare them with.

Anyway to EQ the warmth out of the HD600?

>Budget
up to $70 in monopoly money
>Location
UK
>Source
PC/Smartphone
>Type of headphone
In ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
Comfy even after several hours of use
>Sound signature
Good amount of bass
>Past headphones
Some cheap Panasonic headphones

>>62369413
Hey guys , sand nigger here ,
Can someone recommend me a headphone for my nexus5 , i stole my mother's Samsung s7 earbuds ... They are broken now.

A good earbuds or low key headphones should be good ...

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I'm in for a pair of open AKG's among the ones in the pic. Any suggestion?

I tend to prioritize very detailed mid-high, but a bit of bass never hurts.

>>62378785
Of these, K702/Q701/K712.

Does anyone here have experience with the Marshall Mid Bluetooth? I'm a poorfag looking for decent wireless headphones and I can get these for a hundred bux.

>>62378785
k701/702 are virtually the same, just the k702 has a detachable cable. Q701 has uncomfortable headband bumps. K712 is probably the most enjoyable headphone in that picture, unless you're specifically looking for a wider, brighter, analytical sound

Focal Elear good for $1000?

>>62379050
>Fecal
>$1000
Yeah. It's a great deal, Anon. Sure thing.

>>62379050
if you have a thousand bucks to spend on earphones you should be getting a set of campfire audios

Asking for another guy. He needs a headphones and mic setup for ~$200.
He wants to use it for music and non-serious recording.
Any rec?

>>62379215
>IEM

>>62379419
>$200
Good luck with that. $200 will at most afford some mid-fi headphones like the HD579.
>non-serious MUSIC recording.
Mics and recording crap are expensive, the budget makes that very difficult.

Are Audio Technica m50s a meme? What's the catch? And what's the catch with the monoprice dj, is it a scam?

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>>62375530
I suggest you check out gayboy tv, he has audeze vegan pads plus 'fazors' mod which reduce ringing among other things. Since vegan pads are discounted he is making a video in the future on modding M1060 with other pads.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOCqN96eEgo&t=1s

>>62374775
>I'm getting a shit and spicing it up. Fuck the food.

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>>62378800
Help I only want to know if they're ok or not.

>>62378785
k712 if you wan bass. If you want maximum soundstage get the 702.

>>62381871
>marshall
>bluetooth
>on ear
No they're obviously garbage

>>62378004
That's the most pointless thing ever. You may as well buy a different headphone, like the 702 and reduce the highs slightly.

I was thinking of getting a Superlux HD668b. I don't need it for a special purpose, just for listening some music here and there and gaming. I'd use them on my PC. Is that a good buy? If not, could you recommend me something else? I guess I could pay about 60 euros.

>>62382268
>like the 702 and reduce the highs slightly.
Nah, the 600s are much easier to drive

>>62382365
They're also much better in general. Just trying to offer an alternative. So you think they're too warm? I ad sub bass to mine. I really like them stock as well though.

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Taking more detailed comments on headphones. Drop some comments if you've owned any of these.

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>>62382429
> dt880
> balanced

The description should say "treble cannons with good comfort"

>>62382429
Kos porta pros are fantastic for the price. 600 and 650 are both amazing. One of those black sens are disgusting. Avoid like the plague.

>>62382429
Maybe add the STAX SRS-3100, it's about the same price as the koss. Also add elears

stupid question , but whats the point of amplifier, beside of course the obvious - louder sound?
does it provide some sort of increase in the sound quality or is it just purely louder sounds?

>>62382524
A good amp gets the most out of a headphone by driving it properly. Some here will say that if it's loud enough then that's all you need. I don't agree.

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So how do the Audio Technica R70x compare against the HD650? They seem to have very similar frequency response

>>62382584
alright, i see and is there a difference better 30 bucks amp and 300?

>>62382524
>whats the point of amplifier
Primary purpose is amplification. Of course.
Secondary purposes are serving as impedance buffer, and easing restrictions on the signal slew, current supply, and the like.

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I've read online that the Bose QuietComfort 25 leak a lot of sound to the outside world... How bad is it, really?
I really want good sound-isolating headphones, but I don't want anyone else to hear my shitty anime music and think I'm a pedophile or something.

>>62382709
Yes, a lot of amps are overpriced memes but a 30 dollar amp will definitely be shit. If you're just starting out the fulla 2 is the best option by a mile. The headphone is the most important part obviously, and while better amps help, the differences are fairly small, especially to someone that doesn't know much about this whole thing.

>>62382429
Add countries, languages shouldn't be a priority, but different countries for different prices would be good.
The DT880 250 ohm are 166€ here in Spain always, as an example.

>>62383060
Yeah sure, I'll get on that.

>>62382658
hd600 > hd650 > r70x
r70x is pretty good for an audio technica, but it's not as flat as the sennheisers, and has significantly less bass.

>>62382208
>marshall
What's wrong with them?
>bluetooth
I'm looking for wireless headphones.
>on ear
Don't want in ear and over ear seems a bit too much to have on the go.
>garbage
Do you know something better I can get in the 100$ range then?

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>>62382429
>meme headphones that are actually good
HD600 deserves much more love than that. Something more like "legendary reference, excellently balanced, great value, fully modular, easy to assemble/disassemble".

>>62383370
Not him but wireless headphones are shit. You're best off getting good iems for on the go.

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>>62382429
>DT880
>balanced

What are the comfiest headphones for $50-$100? I don't care that much about sound quality, it just has to be comfy to wear, even for several hours at a time, and reasonably durable.

>>62383609
j-just EQ them!

Well, except for some tremble, for all the other shit, I don't have any problems with them, no EQ tho. I'm a brainlet and can't into EQ without fucking it up.

>>62383627
can you get the dt770 for 100 dollars? if yes go for that.

>>62383627
SHP9500S

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I don't see DT880 here. Why is that?

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How do I clean earpads? Mine smell weird.

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>>62383684
Oh, right. Because they're bright as fucking shit.

>>62383687
i sticky roller mine

>>62383684
>>62383698
You need to go back

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/topping-nx2s-dac-amp

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/smsl-idea-dac-amp?mode=guest_open

These two little guys are okish priced, right?
I already have a decent AMP/DAC, but some friends are getting into this and I'd like to know what one should them get. As both are portable, I think they will like any even more because of that.

>>62383687
buy some wet wipes...and wipe them? should be enough for leather and pleather.

>>62383727
/hpg/ is way more fun but they have less shitposting and a lot more headphone knowledge. The latter is why you'll never see them describe Beyers as balanced. Because they're not.

>>62383901
carrying shit like that is a meme tbqhwy. Just buy decent iem's for on the go. Keep the expensive shit for home use.

>>62383905
But what about the fabric on the inside of the HE400 pads?
Also the real problem is it smells weird. Can't really describe it, but I want to get rid of it.
Also this pad is really hot. Not very comfy during summer.

>>62382862
I'm also interested in this but for 35. I don't listen to pedophile music just to be clear.

>>62383934
Then, around that price range, (<100€), should I go and ask to /csg/?

>>62383942
>Also the real problem is it smells weird. Can't really describe it
It's Chinkshit, so that means it's most likely carcinogenic toxins you're smelling. Have fun with that.

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>>62383370
Just get these you dumb cunt

>>62383980
Nah I breathe carcinogenic toxins daily and they don't smell like that.

>>62383956
Fulla 2 is the best by far at that price. It's also a dac and amp in one.

>>62384007
Those are in ear and above my budget, rude anon.

>>62384228
Nah, they're cheap $13 chink knockoffs

What's an "upgrade" to the AKG k240 (original)?

>>62384721
702

>>62383942
No idea, stick them in the washing machine if you can. Or soak/scrub them in soapy water.

>>62384347
Oh. What's the product name? Reverse image search gave me nothing.

I love koss

>>62386102
or some say kosm

>>62382429
I have owned the ATH-M40x, the DT 880 and the HD 600.

I can tell the ATH-M40x are undoubtedly v-shaped (that's not necessarily bad, they sound nice, but all the people saying that these are neutral are wrong).

And I suggest you to say that the DT 880 treble can be harsh. Maybe it's not the same for every person, but I literally had tinnitus after every listening session when I was using the DT 880. These cans are great, the bass is so nice, but yep, the treble is harsh.

>>62383684
>>62383698
So? everyone knows it's v-shapped/bright, what's your point?

>>62382429
>M100s
I own them. Good bassy headphones, but the bass is not muddy or overpowering - it's pretty fun if you like contemporary music, but still allows you to listen to enjoy other genres. Build is top tier. Stock comfort is really meh, buying XL pads is almost not an option. Comes with a nice case that can fit in the palm of your hand. Cables are nice, but it develops kinks easily and the braid can come undone (they only cost $12 bucks though). Isolation is okay.

You also get good customer service, 2 year warranty, and 50% off on replacement pairs (if the warranty expires). Shadow version attracts fingerprints, so get matte.

>>62387843
>>62382429 apparently needed to be reminded.

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>>62387830
>literally had tinnitus after every listening session
That's not how tinnitus works, Anon, what you probably had was fatigue.
>>62382429
DT880 owner here, i agree with most Anons, a more correct description of it woud be V-shapped/bright, good bass and comfort is corret though, also, the pads don't desintegrate, they just lose the silver color over time. Pads desintegrating could be applied to the V6, you could also say when a headphone has pads alternatives, no need to list the pads or anything, but saying it's easy to find new/better pads for the v6 is a rather important information for the buyer.

>>62388927
I'm reading about the tinnitus right now. It doesn't need to be permanent. What I suffered back then was, in fact, tinnitus. A ringing sound that took a couple of hours to disappear, audible at night when everything was silence. Probably I was listening to music too loud, trying to avoid the recessed mids.

>>62388927
>That's not how tinnitus works, Anon, what you probably had was fatigue.
t.treblehead

>>62388927
I would love to try the best one of your pic related. They're aesthetic as fuck and apparently incredibly neutral? I have noticed that sound crews use them a lot for tv, doesn't mean much, but they must be good? how are they compared to the 600?

>>62389995
>apparently incredibly neutral?
they are bright, not neutral at all
>but they must be good?
nope
>how are they compared to the 600?
not even comparable

>>62389995
The DT880 is beyer's attempt at neutral. As you'd expect from beyerdynamic, it's still awfully bright. It's outperformed by HD558, which means it's not even comparable to a HD579, and considering it against HD600 is laughable.

>>62390058
the cd900st isn't good?

>>62389674
Yeah, my mistake, i was confused because when i had it the doctor only reffered to it as ringing and not tinnitus, weird that you would have it from a bright headphone though, for me it took working with a very loud, very shitty band that kept messing with the gain when i was not around.
>>62389751
Not really, i'm fairly ok with other signatures too, i do like how drums sound on v-shapped headphones though.
>>62389995
Sorry anon, never tested it, i'm really curious about it as well.
>>62390333
I'm pretty sure Anon was talking about CD900ST, not DT880.

>>62390362
why would they be? the only people who like the v6/7506/cd900st line are holding onto nostalgia. It has no width or lowend, the mids are meh as fuck, and the treble is unimpressive but brighter than it should be overall. it's outdated tech completely outclassed these days

>>62372552
Sivga sv007 seems great, sale baguette de merde>>62372552

>>62390333
>It's outperformed
Headphones are not gayming rigs you retarded newfag.
Beyershits dt880 have different sound signature but are in general higher class headphones.
HD558/579 are literally re ddit tier babby's first headphones which have nothing going for them other than low price (558 only) and relatively neutral FR.
Only people who masturbate over how good those are are newfags who have never owned anything else, other than gayming headsets, beats and stock phone earbuds.

>>62390564
>mids are meh and treble is unimpressive
What does that even means?

>>62390058
oh, that makes things easy I guess. I love my 600's, and I didn't expect the sonys to be better. They just look interesting to try.

>>62391121
>What does that even means?
when compared to other headphones at near the same price or greater it loses out on detail
>>62391178
they are literally the greatest meme of all time. everyone uses it for a reference can and everyone eq's it to make it reference. hilarious

>>62391222
>loses out on detail
How? Honest question, this is sounding vague as fuck.

>>62391313
lol. it is not as detailed as other headphones, there is lack of fidelity. what part about that is vague? you take a $5 earbud from the early 2000s, compared it to an hd600, and the hd600 will have much greater detail. with very detailed cans you can hear people talking in the recording booth even.

what is the issue here?

>>62391222
>they are literally the greatest meme of all time. everyone uses it for a reference can and everyone eq's it to make it reference. hilarious

now I really want to try them ;) god, are there any good closed headphones at all? what about those wooden looking fostex? they cost a shit load, surely they must be good.

>>62391482
>surely they must be good
I own them, they are the best V signature headphones available, but slightly different with each variant. there is no true upgrade to them if you're looking for a V can. they are a true upgrade to things like the m50x, beyerdynamic, etc except they have a proper balance of treble and bass without losing fidelity, and without the treble being too hot

>>62391584
Interesting, cheers.

>>62390503
>I'm pretty sure Anon was talking about CD900ST, not DT880.
F*, I didn't backtrack properly.
Nevermind then.

>>62391624
get them (the fostex). they are fucking amazing. ~$325-370 used, $400-500 new

>>62391088
>Beyershits dt880 have different sound signature but are in general higher class headphones.
kek

>>62391584
>but slightly different with each variant
what's the difference b/w the models? purpleheart worth it? Considering just getting the thx000 since it's cheaper and only 2 hours left

>>62391853
the th900 and the E-MU have stronger magnets so they can be ran off portable. All of the variants suck up power though so good clean power will help.

the th-x00 is more bloomy than the above too, but the bass is much stronger and more quantity. the purpleheart has the most bass, I forget the differences between the woods on the th-x00. the th-x00 has smaller soundstage while the th900 has much larger. in general the th900 is sharper and wider, while the th-x00 slams harder and is closer, while the teak is the middle ground between the two.

I would say purpleheart is worth it but expect to have bass that might end up being slightly too boomy. they will definitely slam the hardest. You can always get more wood cups and swap them out.

if you buy them expect to swap out pads (~$30) and get an attenuator ($20) to compensate

>>62391671
I don't require a lot of bass, but it would be nice to have as long as the headphone sounds great overall. Do they sound muddy or harsh compared to the 600's?

>>62389995
>apparently incredibly neutral
V6/7506?
On the whole, somewhat neutral-ish. I mean this loosely. The treble peaks get in the way of sounding even, the response as a whole. Such is the fault of almost every "bright" headphones.
Has some bass boost, but there are low mid suckouts. Sensitive to fit.

I seem to recall CD900ST was like the headphone version of the MDR-7550. Good and bad.

>>62392030
>Do they sound muddy or harsh compared
no, but they will have ever so slight sibilant treble that you'll think is a bit too 'hot' but then you get used to it. coming from the 600 you might think the bass is a little too forward and boomy but it doesn't fuck with the mids too much, or at all.

>>62392106
Doesn'nt sound too bad. Which one exactly are you talking about? the red one costs over a grand. I'd never pay that for a headphone.

>>62392150
all of them. they all sound the same but slightly different, it's very minute but noticeable. the th900 is only expensive because of the japanese wood with lacquer coating. you can get them for $600-800 used. I would never buy because the lacquer gets damaged easily

>>62392182
Ok thanks. Guess I'll stick with my 600's and schiit stack. What are your best headphones and amp+dac?

>>62392271
I posted some pictures in one of the threads, my "best" is audeze lcd-2 + ifi ican se, but my e-mu teak gets all the headtime. I love them. I'll probably end up selling the lcd-2 and buying an hd800.. or maybe keep. I don't know.

>>62392351
The most expensive I have tried are the 600 and 650, they're way above anything else imo. It seems that the next level up potentially is the hd800's, lcd's and the focal etc. I'd love to try all of them.

>>62392504
I'm totally set, I really only want an hd800 for the soundstage but I already have an ma900 for that. the hd800 + super dupont mod will probably shit on your 600s

the l700 sounds fucking ridiculous though and caught my eye: https://youtu.be/xduaRfSfTzk?t=4m30s

>>62392670
>the hd800 + super dupont mod will probably shit on your 600s

delet this

Is there any better choice for a wireless Bluetooth on ear headphone than the Sennheiser momentum?

>>62393239
>Sennheiser momentum
Fuck off Senshill

>>62393239
>wireless Bluetooth
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Bluebourne-Vulnerability

>>62393267
It's literally the only one I found in the store except beats but I'm not sure if they are actually worth 250€
>>62393269
I don't want to spend money on cables that will break in a week anyway, since I'll only use it on my way to work

>>62393432
Ignore that guy. Some here have a hardon for hating sennheiser, especially the 600.

>>62393432
>It's literally the only one I found in the store except beats but I'm not sure if they are actually worth 250€
Both those are shit
>>62393480
Fuck off retard

>>62393556
Fuck off poor cuck.

>>62393556
Nigga I'm asking for an alternative, not your opinion about them

>>62393595
>Fuck off poor cuck.
I don't remember owning poorfag 600's, you must be thinking of yourself.

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>>62393622
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>>62393480
you mean snapheiser? Imagine spending $300 on headphones that do this. Imagine spending $300 on headphones where they haven't fixed this one serious design flaw in 2 decades

>>62393747
The headphones doesn't do that. The idiots who bend the headband because they think these are too tight are to blame.

If you think a little, you realize it's not even possible for the headphones to break from that part on normal use.

>>62393747
Imagine spending $250 on a hifiman product. yikes

>>62393801
I never understood why they don't put some lambskin pads on them if they are too tight. lambskin memory foam + tight clamp = amazing seal and comfy

>>62393747
>. Imagine spending $300 on headphones where they haven't fixed this one serious design flaw in 2 decades

Imagine caring so much about a headphone that you don't own.

>>62393816
>leather box
>floating metal headband
>shipped in less than a week
>sounds much better than the meme600s

yikes

>>62393801
>doesn't happen from normal use

I'm sure that's why people report the headband snapping in less than a week while taking them off or under completely normal usage and it's been a problem for years.

>>62393823
They aren't too tight. Other headphones feel loose and horrible in comparison.

>>62393863
excellent, so figure out how to put some lambskins on there and get an amazing seal

>>62393861
Oh boy here he is lads. He totally didn't take his trip off for the other posts LMAO.

F U C K I N G H E L L

>>62393838
>imagine being so buttblasted every time someone points out how shitty this headphone is
>imagine shilling them relentlessly while never owning a pair

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Holy shit this thread is full of turbo autismos

>>62393887
Mighty be a good idea. The stock pads are comfy as fuck though so I don't care.

>>62393888
literally haven't posted without the trip. Keep your paranoid schizophrenia to yourself autist.

>>62393892
>Imagine the fact that I have posted my headphons everytime I have been called out

>imagine being you, doing this and saying nothing every time someone proves that they own them

>>62393938
really? Do it now then

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>>62383609
>trusting frequency responses
absolutely retarded
according to that the etymotics hf5 would have balanced bass and a lack of treble, but we know that's not the case
frequency response graphs are usually biased towards cold and bright sound signatures

>>62393911
you don't understand how comfy lambskin is with a tight clamp, it's not comparable to velour or similar. it's like titties pressed up against your ears and they fit the gaps, kinda like when you grab tits and they fit the spaces in between your hands

>>62393915
Purely a coincidence I'm sure.