/pcbg/ - PC Building General - Intel Housefire Edition

>>62363118
For that price, I absolutely would. That's a fantastic feature-set for the price.

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See any issues here lads?

>>62363513
>Horribly expensive B350 motherboard
>Unknown clock speed RAM
>Shitty mouse
>Very shitty keyboard
>You will not need 144Hz at 1440p with a GTX 1080. Get a cheaper 60z and put the money elsewhere.

And for the love of christ, use pcpartpicker

>>62363513
>not 4x4GB
Pretty sure you can use QC with Ryzen, not that it's of any great benefit, but 32GB standard isn't for another 4-6 years or so.

>>62363509
Now if only Fry's actually honored their advertised free-shipping-over-$49 offer.

>>62363559
RAM is 3200MHz, tard. Read the model number. And the 144hz is a better investment than some pricey ass mouse. Gateron brown where it at, but Reds are okay.


>112.94
>expensive

>>62363559
>Horribly expensive B350 motherboard
So which one do I get?
>Unknown clock speed RAM
3200mhz. Says right there on the image m8.
>Shitty mouse
How so?
>Very shitty keyboard
Lad, I bought a £90+ Corsair keyboard quite literally a month ago and it's already broke.
I'll take my chances with this one.
>You will not need 144Hz at 1440p with a GTX 1080. Get a cheaper 60z and put the money elsewhere.
I was wanting to sample 144hz since everybody goes on about how you'll never go back from it. Probably hyperbole but still.

>>62363598
>Gateron brown where it at, but Reds are okay.
Unfortunately I'm pretty much locked into buying linear keys since I play shmups. Cherry reds usually being my go to but I thought I'd try these Gateron ones after my last 'good' keyboard bit the dust in under a month.

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>See Corsair's Monster
>Realize I can get it for $33
>Check it
>No luxury features despite being a $70 case
>No PSU shroud
>Nothing to make up for looking like an abomination
>Shitty side-panel attachment

>>62363716
These guys make a PSU shroud for it.
https://www.savantpcs.com/store/#PSUShrouds

>>62363750
>Shroud is twice what the case is worth

>>62363770
The shrouds are all the same price no matter the case. makes sense to me since they DO have to make a profit and making a shroud to fit each case can't be easy or cheap, especially when you want repeatable manufacturing. But they make shrouds for other more expensive/popular cases.

>>62363809
Yeah, but what I was saying is that the case itself is a piece of shit with no redeeming values. I'm not buying the fucking thing. It's the chinsiest piece of garbage I've ever seen in the case market.

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>build r5 1600 system telling myself ill stream, game and do video editing
>end up just watching Japanese cartoons and shitposting on it

I wouldn't say I have buyers remorse but goddamn building a pc is more fun than actually using it

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Is this good for productivity and 1440p gaymen?

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I'm a web developer who is also interesting in video editing. I would like a 4K monitor with IPS to have a lot of space to work with. Critique my build.

>>62364096
Why the fuck would you have 1050 for 4k? You need AT LEAST a 1060 for things related to 4k tasks. Also, 8gb ram seems a bit lacking if you're going to do heavy editing.

>>62363513
Nigs, I need your help quite badly actually.
Take a look at right here.

Is there any way I can shave off and downgrade some stuff to pick up a 1080ti instead of the 1080 I have there?

The current 1080 I have on that list is £593.85. I need an extra £100ish to upgrade that shit to a 1080ti.

I've took off the fan and the mouse mat and added in the bit extra I have in the bank, which puts me at £52. Can you lads cut some corners for me on some of the other equipment? Maybe the mother board? Maybe the cooler? Maybe the SSD? I dunno, do whatever I suppose.

Also I know it's stupid as fuck to ask considering I can't afford any yet and beggers can't be chooses, but which after market 1080tis should I be aiming for? Obviously I can't get the best ones but still.

>>62364214
Not gonna lie, trying to pair a 1080 with a ryzen 5 sounds silly, begging for a bottleneck. If your tight on money, try for another graphics card. The 1080 isn't meant for the mainstream anyways.

>>62363831
I just built an R3 1200 pc and have been playing games I previously couldn't for the last few days. It's a blast.

To get my CPU fan wire out of the way, I made it go around one of the mounting screws for the heatsing, but as a result there's a small spot where the wire touches the heatsink. Is it a problem? Should I just remove it from there and keep it ugly in the air? I don't really have other options to get it out of the way.
It's the stock Wraith Stealth cooler, so the cable is braided, and under load my temps never go above 65°C.

>>62364285
You're just talking out of your ass. A 1080 Ti with a 1600 is fine.

>>62363564
>Pretty sure you can use QC with Ryzen
no.

>>62364209
>Why the fuck would you have 1050 for 4k? You need AT LEAST a 1060 for things related to 4k tasks.
I was told that 4k display resolution is achievable now with iGPUs. I'll be editing video for 1080p 60fps. Is the 1050Ti not up to the task for that?

Also I listed 16GB RAM, not 8GB.

>>62364214
Buy from different sites instead of getting everything on Amazon.
Get a cheaper motherboard, cheaper case, cheaper cpu fan.
Also, do you already have a PSU and HDD?

>>62364420
>>62364214
Just use the stock CPU fan actually. $75 saved.

Going to build a pc based on ryzen cpu and with GTX 1080. Primary goal is gaming. Thus my question - if I use it for normal stuff + muh games, will I see ANY difference between 1600 and 1700?
And the most confusing topic - what motherboard? I read a lot and I am confused as fuck. Some say b350 is good for 1700, others say you can't overclock to 3.8 on b350. And among b350 there are so many of them. Some say Pro carbon is the king, others say msi is shit.
Anons, I believe in you, give me the top 3 best price/perf mobos that are not shit for 1600 and 1700. Both b350 and x370.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zrm7VY
Anything I need to reconsider?

>>62364042
nice meme

>>62364431
>will I see ANY difference between 1600 and 1700?
No.
> others say you can't overclock to 3.8 on b350.
You can. Get a good board.
Only get X370 if you need the extra PCIe lanes or the extra ports.

>>62364440
No SSD?
Do you need the 1700?
I'd maybe get a PSU with a little more headroom if you plan on doing a big overclock. Although seeing you didn't buy an aftermarket cooler, you probably don't.

>>62364440
If I were you, I'd get an ssd first and then an HDD down the road if you couldn't afford both now. Since you'll want your system in the ssd, and if you were to get the hard drive first and ssd later, you'd have to install OS and everything again

Just my opinion tho, looks fine otherwise

>>62364096
>WD BLUE
>1050ti for 4k editing
>corsmeme psu
>logishit squekers

prettty nice build by friend 10/10 would buy

>>62364440
consider spending more on the case. also, add an SSD, 240GB minimum. current recommended SSDs are the Sandisk Ultra II, Samsung 850 Evo, and the Crucial MX300

>>62364440
>wlancard
I asume you will be gayman on this because of the 144hz?
If yes get an wlan card that supports ac(5GHz) because you gonna have micro stuttering on 2,4ghz in some games.
Get the Asus PCE-AC56 AC1300 its 50€ but its worth it, never had any lags because of wlan being to slow trough the wall with 5Ghz wlan

>>62364468
I want the 1700 to overclock it in the future (I'm not planning on upgrading anytime soon), for the PSU I still have 150 Watts to spare
>>62364479
Yes I can't afford both now and I will replace the HDD with a SSD (you have a point on the OS problem)
>>62364487
Is there any reason to spend more on the case, I will probably go with Samsung

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Planning on getting a 1070 8gb 3.0 SC, what monitor should I pair with it?
Was looking at either 1080p 144hz/ 1440p 60hz but I know fuck all about monitors

>>62364581
You don't even know if you want 144Hz or not?

>>62364523
I'm not planning on gayming online so I want something cheap, but I will consider your opinion if I ever wanted to

>>62364581
Just search Google for differences and prices it took me 2 hours to understand what I need

>>62364599
Not really, I'm not l337 tryhard in FPS games which I play infrequently anyway, but I'm only on a 1680x1050 @ 60hz monitor at the moment so bumping up to 1080p seems a bit pointless if I'm not increasing the hz, but I'm not sure how well shit would go for how long on 1440p with a 1070

>>62364468
>get a good board
Which board is that?

>>62364647
1080p@hz144hz is more gpu taxing than 1440p@60hz. IMO it's always worth getting a higher refresh rate, 144hz to 60hz is what 60fps is to 30fps. it's not only for tryhard gaymers.

Between the two, which is better?

http://www.outletpc.com/xc3967-msi-a320m-gaming-pro-desktop-motherboard-amd-chip.html

http://www.outletpc.com/eq9686-msi-b350-tomahawk-am4-amd-b350-sata-6gbs-hdmi-atx.html

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Need help /pcbg/
How is called this pin?
And how do I use?
Those only make short circuit the PC

>>62364754
The Tomahawk, no question. You can also consider the AsRock AB350 Pro4 if you're on a tighter budget and want something cheaper.

>>62364754
tomahawk, obviously. a320 doesn't let you to overclock.

Would this SSD be good for just holding the OS?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M2UUACN
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M2UUACN

>>62364754
What the others said. By the way,
>Msi B350 Tomahawk
>Was: $199.89
Those slimy liars, it's consistently 90-100 USD.
Isn't blatantly false advertising a crime in the US?

>>62364765
The top one is a 3 pin, bottom one is a molex. What are you trying to do and what are those wires coming out of?

>>62364802
Shit, there's also the TLC performance for $35 and I'm gonna buy that if it's okay.
>>62364810
Outlet does that alot, but most of the time they come with Rebates there anyways.

>>62364821
get 120gb one for like $15 more.

>>62364802
I wouldn't go below 120, it's what I have right now and it gets tight. 250 is ideal, 500 for rich people.

>>62363513
>1080
Fuck that, get a 1070 or a 1080ti. The 1080 is garbage price/performance.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gvsvr7

rate me /g/

it's for vidja.

>>62364922
Am I getting trolled?

will pc prices ever drop again?

>>62364940
no, first time building something
why?

why do so many people still buy intel right now? i swear im moving at least triple the intel cpus than amd ones

>>62364572
>Is there any reason to spend more on the case,
looks and a better building experience. A lot of the cheaper cases have sharp edges and out of spec holes. Generally, the golden spot for cases is between $70 and $100

>>62364971
That's a terrible build.
You don't need a sound card or a lan card.
You chose a locked CPU with a Z series motherboard.
You don't want to buy an Intel CPU.
That graphics card is terrible.
That power supply is trash and runs the risk of frying your pc.
You don't have an SSD.
You don't even have a case.

Start with something like this and add a monitor:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rpNBCy
(And an optical drive if you absolutely have to have one, but really you can do without)
Ideally I'd get a nicer case than this one, and probably spend a bit more on the motherboard and get 16GB of RAM, but I don't know your budget.

>>62364922
>Intel in 2017
>dedicated sound card
>everything >>62365097 said

>>62364922
READ THE FUCKING OP

I bought an i5-7500 just before Ryzen release and now Coffee Lake i5s will be 6-core.

Just fucking kill me holy shit.

>>62365139
I hope you weren't thinking of upgrading, because they need new motherboards too.

>>62365139
>buying a CPU right before a new release
I know the waiting meme isn't always right but seriously man, you're a retard.

>>62365139
where do you want your burial plot?

>>62364922
>2TB Seagate Drive
Ebin.

https://www.amazon.com/MG279Q-27-Inch-FreeSync-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B014X4U076

any reason not to get this monitor? no i dont want 4k i have a 1070 and would rather not run games at a lower than native resolution

>>62365139
And you can't even overclock it.

>>62365097
>no mention of pointless optical drive in 2017

>>62365213
A 1070 will struggle to maintain 144 fps at 1440p in modern games unless you turn the settings down.

>>62365233
>not reading posts in their entirety in 2017

>>62365245
ok? so should i got with 2 60hz 1440p monitors instead? i ant stick with these 1080p monitors and even if i do then ill have nothing to spend my tax returns on im already pulling things out of my ass with the monitors

>>62365200
what's wrong with it?

>>62365111
not just that, a dedicate soundcard that costs more than twice that of his psu

>>62365265
>I have money, I need to spend it on things I don't need right now!
Holy shit dude.

>>62365213
at least get one with gsync

This a good deal?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073GY89G5

>>62365292
Or this one.
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Warranty-Tester-100-B1-0600-KR/dp/B00EON40CS/

>>62365286
that one is 800 dollars
>>62365265
if i dont spend it on this ill end up spending it all on food and steam games and other junk i have no reason to save it

>>62365213
>>62365265
>>62365286
ie https://www.amazon.com/PG278QR-2560x1440-G-SYNC-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B017EVR2VM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505135232&sr=1-1&keywords=27%22%2B1440p%2Bgsync&th=1

>>62365307
>that one is 800 dollars
you're literally complaining about not being able to spend your tax return but $800 is too much? put it in the fucking bank you nigger.

>>62365286
If he has an AMD card, that wouldn't do him any good.

>>62365307
Are you 12 years old or something? Did your parents not teach you how to deal with money?

>>62365308
>pretty much twice the price for one feature

ill pass

>>62365316
why would i save it when i have no reason to? i have a rule that tax refunds are spent on fun things in the first place the only exception being outstanding bills which i have none of at this point

>>62365316
>i have a 1070

>>62365317
if you get a high hz monitor and don't get the appropriate adaptive frame sync tech you're a fucking retard, it's not just "one feature". Do you buy everything based on the number of marketing bulletpoints on the front of the box?

>>62365337
>no reason to
>save

moronic.

this entire threadline is moronic.

goodbye.

>>62365350
what purpose could saving this possibly have?

>>62365366
financial security for one

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/V79Rcc

looking for just gaming

>>62365337
That's literally what saving money is. Come on dude.

>>62365379
i already have that

>>62365381
like i said no outstanding bills stop raining on my parade

>>62365380
Budget? Monitor?

>>62365395
monitor is an aoc agon from a friend. budgets about $1800. wanna stay under to get a new keyboard and mouse too.

>>62365423
What are the resolution and refresh rate of the monitor? The brand won't change anything about the build.

>>62363504
can you recommend me some good, cheap case that doesn't look completely retarded like I stole it from a preteen transformers fanboi bedroom.
something similar to nzxt s340, but preferable for around half the price

>>62365292
>>62365305
Bumping for this.

>>62364814
Those wires are coming from the fan already in the case,
I wanna use the fans control but make the computer short circuit

>>62365268
nothing, he's retarded

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>>62365700
Forgot the pic

>>62365708
its way too fucking expensive to be worth it, for what could you possible need such a huge fucking ssd

>>62365700
You only need to use one or the other. The normal plug is the 3 pin one, it should go somewhere on your motherboard marked CHA_FAN or something like that, for chassis fan. (The plug on the motherboard may have 4 pins, but this is fine.)
The molex plug is for old systems or if for some reason you don't have a chassis fan connector available on the motherboard. You wire that directly with a molex from the power supply, and it makes the fan spin, but without any control.

>>62365097
What is so terrible about having a locked CPU if you never, ever plan to overclock?

>>62365795
There's literally no reason to get z-series chipset if you're not planning to overclock.

>>62365499
Corsair Carbide 200R

>>62365795
Nothing, but then don't spend money on a motherboard that allows overclock, and you probably don't even need an aftermarket cooler either.

As an aside, planning to never, ever overclock is kinda stupid. It's dead easy to OC nowadays.

>>62363716
>IT HURTS TO LIVE, PLEASE KILL ME

>>62365700
don't plug in both
just use one

>>62365824
I think it's cool. All cases now are either boring rectangles or rectangles with a fuckton of LEDs.
I bought an NZXT S340 myself, and I almost regret it.

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>>62365844
Be Quiet! makes nice cases that aren't bland rectangles, but they're expensive as fuck

So when will there be a significant jump in performance in hardware?
Since years it's just tweaking and optimizing but no good new tech.
Optical based hardware when?

>>62365866
why does it have a boarding ramp?

>R5 1600 @ 3.9ghz w/ 2400mhz ram got me 1288cb in cinebench
>update bios because i couldn't run the ram at higher speeds
>R5 1600 @ 3.9ghz
>2x4 @ 2933mhz ram
>no throttling issues according to HWINFO
>only get 1228cb in cinebench
What is going on?

>>62365917
>for some unknown reason, the more I OC it the worse it performs- in particular, in /u/nwgat's video encoding benchmark it takes 40 seconds longer on my system when I OC my RAM to 2666.
I haven't OCd my RAM yet but I read this thread and this seems to be a thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6xmyea/ddr4_training_on_am4_short_howto/

>>62365757
it's the cheapest 2tb hdd. some people have actually shit to store, not everyone is just a gayming manchild.

>>62365380
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/99Y2Ps
cheaper and better in every single way. you can also save some money and get gtx 1060. do not buy rx580, they are overpriced as fuck.

>>62365902
for the Java crew to load collected droids.

I'm currently using a Ryzen 1600 and it's running a little too hot for my likings. I'm using the stock cooler and also my case only has a front fan.

If I upgraded my cooler to a Cryorig H7 and added a back fan to my case, could I expect much better temps?

>>62366043
What temp is it running at, and did you overclock it?

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Will there be AM4 APUs, if yes, when will they come out, and how powerful will they approximately be (compared to a current CPU/GPU combo) and how much will they probably cost?

>>62366043
even a good air cooler on your CPU don't mean shit if you're not cycling fresh air in and out of your case with other fans
fill all empty slots with fans (ESPECIALLY that rear exhaust) and then have a look at your temperatures before looking at a cooler upgrade

>>62366055
I did not overclock. It's around 15-20 in my room.

Idle @ around 35
Normal use @ around 50
Gaming @ around 65 on average

I fugged up putting on my cooler the first time and scratched my ihs so I'm a little paranoid it's running too hot

>>62366080
we have AM4 APUs, but they're based on the old Bulldozer/Excavator architecture
Ryzen-based ones are supposed to be coming, but we don't know when yet

>>62366088
Huh, alright. I'll order a three pack of fans. Hopefully it helps.

Can someone explain to me exactly why AM3 coolers won't work on AM4 sockets? Like which thing is a millimeter or two different that justifies whole new coolers and adapter kits.

Cause you can buy AM3 CPUs that come with the same wraith coolers used on AM4, so either there are two different wraith coolers or the manufacturing tolerances allow it to work on both which then shouldn't that apply to a lot of other coolers?

>>62366107
alright, thanks. Any reasonable guess?

>>62363504
I wanna be able to play vidya at 60 fps at high settings, what is the minimum amount required to do that?

>>62366224
>Cause you can buy AM3 CPUs that come with the same wraith coolers used on AM4, so either there are two different wraith coolers or the manufacturing tolerances allow it to work on both which then shouldn't that apply to a lot of other coolers?
Actually there are 4 different coolers under the "wraith" branding(5 if you consider the wraith spire with LEDs to be separate): The original Wraith, Wraith Stealth(for low-end Ryzen), Wraith Spire(which comes with 1700, 1600 and 1500x I believe) and Wraith Max(which is meant for OEM 95W CPUs as well as sold separately).

>>62366274
Screen and peripherals included or not, location? Do you already have a PC or need an entirely new one?

best airflow setup for the define R5?

I'm interested in using one if the asrock rack mini itx motherboards with the embedded avoton processor for a NAS. Realistically I'm just looking for a mitx motherboard with at least 7 sata ports and support for ddr3, and that seems to be the only option. I'd only be doing some medium size transfers (50-100gb) fairly regularly and then the rest of the time using the NAS for storage of things such as movies, music, etc. No compression or anything like that
Is that little atom gonna be enough? Or am I going to regret this later?
Motherboard for reference: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB945PW9837
I found.

>>62366274
round 1k usd for 1080p

>>62366199
make sure you buy fans that fit the available slots
the most common sizes these days are 120mm and 140mm

>>62366332
w/o monitor and peripherals

>>62366306
I have peripherals already, hand me downs from my brother, because he just upgraded, and i already have a PC, but id like to try building one, plus according to everyone i asked, my build is kinda FUBAR weird power supply, old graphics card and processor, would apparently be just as cheap if not, slightly more expensive to build a new PC, plus id like the experience

>>62366350
this would be alright if you live in the US: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ferdainand/saved/VNnHNG

>>62366274
High? $600. That's without screen/kb/etc

A $150 1050ti can run games at 60fps high

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>>62366224
depends on how it connects to your motherboard while it sits atop your CPU
If it uses that weird clip system (pictured), it should still work with AM4
If it connects to the backplate using the holes those clip brackets sit in, it won't work any more because the hole position/spacing is different

>>62366274
1060/470(580), R3 1200, 8gb ddr4

>>62366367
I really want to say bullshit but I've been using a shitty cpu which is probably the reason I've never hit anything higher than 30

>>62366389
>>62366365
>r3 1200
what the fuck, pairing this with a 1060
at least get an r5 1400

>>62366350
>>62366365
oh and add any 1080p IPS monitor for ~80-100 USD for a screen, for example this one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kKYXsY/aoc-monitor-i2269vw

>>62366397
I myself have a 1050ti and I hit 60fps easily in mostly everything. In Siege, I hit 120fps on high. All esport titles easily go over 100fps

>>62366413
I (>>62366365) paired it with a 1050 ti, 1060/570/580 cards are too expensive right now.

>>62366413
he said minimum, OC the 1200 and it will be fine

>>62366462
>>62366461
Shit I missed the minimum part, sorry.

On a side note - maybe wait for new 4-core i3s?

7700k or 1700 for 1440p 144hz gayman? The 7700k is around 20 bucks cheaper than the Ryzen one.

>>62366536
7700k or 1600. If you're just gaming, the 1700 doesn't really perform any better.

>>62366440
then yeah it was most like the cpus fault. Am glad I'm finally upgrading this week

>>62366563
Won't I get cpu bottlenecked?

>>62366577
Not much if you're trying to run games at 1440p and max settings.

>>62365812
looks like shit
>>62365970
you have 2tb worth of software to store?
or are you just that fucking retarded to stuff and waste the space of your ssd with shit that doesn't actually benefit anything form being there?
just get 500gb ssd and 4-6 tb hhd for half the price and all you need to do is optimize the ssd you autistic fuckhead

>>62366252
Q1 2018 at the earliest

>>62365037
Hmmm...okay thanks I'll look into cases in more detail

>>62366339
Ok so I check and it's 120mm. Quick question; does it matter if I don't have place on my side pannel for fans? I only have room in the front, back and top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyw7coOhN78
>Bristol Ridge
Shut up about "upgrade paths"
Buy a fucking Ryzen 3 instead

>>62367130
a side fan mount is preferable, but not a big deal if you don't have one
just make sure you have fans on all the other mounts

>Toaster is dying and wanted to start ordering parts for my new computer within the week
>coffee lake is due to drop in october

Fuck

>>62366365
>>62366332
>>62366367
>>62366389
>>62366413
Thank's Anon(s)!

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>>62367137
>those benchmarks

>SSD Samsung 850 Evo 250GB SATA III at 88,90€
or
>SSD Crucial MX300 275GB SATA III at 97,90€
?

>>62367294
If you think you might really need those extra 25GB for whatever you're using this computer for, go for the Crucial
otherwise Samsung

>>62366919
are you LITERALLY retarded? he picked 2tb HDD and 120gb SSD, i changed it to 2tb HDD and 240gb ssd.
HARD DRIVE DRIVE. LEARN TO FUCKING READ

>>62367294
250/88,90 = €2,81 per gb
275/97,90 = €2,80 per gb

>>62367294
Crucial and Samsung seem to rule the SSD market right now, probably can't go wrong with either of them

I turned a profit by assembling and selling some older parts into two decent pcs and used the witcher III as a benchmark. That made me think, is there anywhere besides ebay to just pick up errant components that people might not be using, any forums or anything? I'm used to buying car parts like that, but hardware, I dunno.

Or is it not worth it with the gpu prices inflated as such?

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>>62367137

I have a dual 6+2 pcie cable. My gpu requires two 8pins. Is it safe just to use the 2 pins from the dual cable and then use seprate pcie cable?
Reason im not using the dual 6+2 is caz gpu requires 225w and using a single pcie tends to cause coil wine

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>>62367485

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I think I'm going to get the 200r the next time it's on sale and then customize it. I like the small box case aesthetic. I can maybe poke Corsair about getting some grommets or something and upgrade it.

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What is the least shit version of windows 10? I've been avoiding the "upgrade" as long as possible but I will actually be able to take advantage of dx12 with my new build.

>>62367570
there's various ways to un-fuck it, just take the plunge already

>>62367556
Wait. Does the 200R have an annoying slammy pronged side panel?

>Motherboard MSI B350M BAZOOKA + Free MSI DS B1 Gaming Mouse at 86,90€
or
>Motherboard MSI B350M MORTAR + Free MSI DS B1 Gaming Mouse at 89,90€
or
>Motherboard MSI B350M MORTAR ARCTIC at 104,90€
?

I'm going to use it with Ryzen 5 1600 + G.Skill 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200MHz + GTX 1060 6GB G1. I was recommended MSI motherboards.

Got a Phenom II X6 1055T @3.5GHz running here along with a amd hd 5770 and 4gb ram.

I feel like the CPU is still doing okay does it make sense to upgrade it considering I'm a poorfag?
Currently just thinking to get a cheao midtier GPU like a 1050Ti and buying additional 4gb ddr3 ram, is that a good idea?
Also I am a bit unsure if new GPUs will even work with my old mainboard, a MSI 870a-g54. It just has a Legacy Bios (no UEFI) and I heard new cards do not run at Legacy Bios at all, is that true?

Thanks for help.

>>62367807
if you can id recommend saving up cash for a new system. A ryzen 1200/1300x beats the phenom and are fairly cheap to build. though it's all up to you.

>>62367805
if I'm correct the three are fairly similar aside from color and rgb. I'd go for the cheaper option

Any spacious mid tower cases for big psus?

>>62367570
I've been using win10 for a few weeks and everything have improved
Just accept the botnet

>>62367570
education or ltsb
education has more features and is super cheap for students ($10) and ltsb is w10 without bloat and no cortana
unfortunately cortana was added to education a while back

>>62366365
out of curiosity, why US only?

>>62368451
pricing differences. it could/probably will cost more in a different part of the world

>want to build a 1080Ti build
>3k usd budget
what the actual FUCK????
I thought 3k was a range for people who will SLI two 1080's?

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r8 my gaymen build

>>62368483
what parts are you using?

>>62368502
Is that your video cards idle temp..?

>>62368483
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2QDhf8
should be all fine

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>>62368502
>>62368540
Get on my level

>>62368540
yep, that's what dual monitors does

>>62368510
I7 7700K (sorry I'm a safetyfag/compatibility fag and I've heard too much about AMD compatibility bullshit for me to go on an adventure with them, but good luck to them)
1080Ti 11gb MSI

MSI Z270 mobo

32gb tridentz ddr4 3000mhz ram with kewl LED

qt corsair carbide spec alpha tower

850 evo 500gb ssd

1000w evga psu

2tb barracuda HDD

NZXT kraken X52 cpu water cooler

+keyboard & monitor are 600$ alone

Can you redpill me on Ryzen?

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Will I be able to overclock my Ryzen™ with this setup?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rzfDYr

>>62368654
yes
>DDR4-2133 Memory

why even

>>62368654
go for 3200mhz ram, it makes a big difference for ryzen

>>62368654
>case
enjoy burning your house down nigger

>>62368632
way cheaper for both a mobo and cpu. sure you'll lose some single core performance but multicore is fantastic. though it's honestly just personal preference so I can't really redpill.

>>62367570
LTSB if you want the best possible experience.

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>>62368666
>>62368684
Thanks, will look into it.
>>62368703
What do you suggest instead?

What is the best b350 mobo for ryzen 1700?

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Why the fuck are GPU's expensive these days
holy shitdicks

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>>62368997
cheapo GPUs are a thing of the past now that they are more than just gayming toys

this is the future you chose

anyone has experience with corsair carbide spec alpha lads?
You think I would be able to fit in a NZXT X52 CPU cooler on the front? should I put it behind the two LED fans or move the fans to the top?

If I have an AM3+ chipset and plan on upgrading to an AM4 motherboard, would it make sense to get a liquid cooling setup that is compatible with both?

>>62368977
Really? No advice on mobos? Is anyone here knows anything about ryzen motherboards or can you only advise amd over intel?

>>62369189
no.

I don't know what the fuck i'm doing, I just want to spend $1500 give or take so I can build a kick ass computer that will play games very welll. Maybe something that will handle VR anime pr0n.

Can someone help me out? Im autistic but not in the smart way.

>>62369211
msi tomahawk

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What would be the worst best absolute poverty build?

I'm talking about cardboard PC case tier poverty build

>>62369211
I didn't get any either and went with PRIME B350-PLUS for PCI port to jam my sound card in. It works.
Just pick whatever.

>>62369211
if you're too retarded to do some research you might as well buy intel

>>62369289
This thread is literally made for questions about pc builds. If the only thing you know about pcs is 1070>1060, you should go back to r eddit or /v/.

how's the define R5?

>>62369211
Mobo shopping is really as simple as get the cheapest one that has the features you want/need and doesn't have a thousand DOA reviews

>>62369407
but what about vrm?
How is the whole /g/ has no idea what is a good mobo?

>>62369211
asus strix. the gigabyte gaming 3 in my htcp is acceptable also.

>>62369387
Excellent

Will the 53 cfm Arctic F12 fans do the trick as case fans?

I'm going for a 1080p/144hz just waiting™ for the vega 56 from ASUS

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9QYb3F

140+ Hz monitors are basically only good for gamers right?

>>62370205
mostly. refresh rate is nice even just web browsing. if you're looking for cheaper than stuff then 60 is just fine anyway.

>>62370145
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wtdvr7

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/sXbXsY

I want to build thiz to game and for aezthetix what do you think /g/?

>>62370403
just thinking about the amount of work that was put into here exhausts me
lads do you trust a local technician to build your PC's if you're buying so much shit?

>>62370145
>AOC G2460PF
that's a shit monitor desu

i wanna buy me a new pc
https://www.amazon.de/Megaport-GeForce-Samsung-Festplatte-computer/dp/B01N5QC9DS/ref=sr_1_14?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1505124933&sr=1-14&keywords=gaming+pc
what do you guys think? should i better build one for that money?

>>62370608
I can't tell you because you use a laotian website and trade in eurangatan urban radiations

>>62369269
Just go to the dump, found a lot of q2d pc's, but took som shitty acer with an i3 540

Can anyone explain this mining bullshit? I don't get it at all. Please explain it like I'm a complete retard.

I don't know anything about cryptocurrency.

>>62370534
>do you trust a local technician to build your PC's if you're buying so much shit?
Fuck no

>>62370727
Just think of it as like mining. GPU's are the tools, miners are miners, and Eth / BTC are the ores or whatever.

if the drivers i'm currently using are the same as the newest drivers for a 1080 i'm about to swap in i should be fine just installing it right? no need to DDU and reinstall?

>>62370727
just don't think too much about it lad, it'll go away soon.

Should I get a smasung evo SSD or a NVME lads
whats the difference

>>62370727
Basically it's doing random calculations based on a certain algorithm. You get coins in proportion to the number of calculations you've done*. GPUs happen to be good at doing those kinds of calculations, so because idiots are willing to pay for other people to waste electricity, people are buying GPUs to do so.

*not how it actually works, but close enough for a non-technical explanation

>>62363504
What is exactly is wrong with the entire whole of i5 processors?

>>62370770
>>62370820
>>62370852
But are people actually turning a profit out of this?

>>62363504
Are prices still fucked for 1060s?? Or should i hold off my build for another month?

why the fuck is ram so expensive? buy 16gb ddr4 is more expensive than the actual processor i want to buy and practically the same price as the graphics card i also want to buy. this is a joke

>>62370905
buy used, much cheaper and still as reliable as new. the worst thing that can go wrong is getting sticks with too big of heat spreaders to fit under your cpu cooler, luckily corsair vengeance sticks are low profile and extremely popular.

>>62370879
currently they're just outclassed by modern amd processors which offer more for the same price or even slightly less e.g. 7600k vs r5 1600.

older i5 processors are still really good though. if you were to pick up an old 3570k for $60 and a z77 for another $60 then you have a really capable pc for general editing work or gaming.

>>62370889
If they weren't, people would probably stop buying GPUs.

>>62370894
The 1060 6GB is 340 euros where I'm at, the Ryzen 5 1600 is 200 euros.

>>62370905
Yeah, 2x8GB 3200MHz is like 170 euros here. Compare that to the CPU I mentioned.

>>62370944
If it's easy money, why isn't everyone doing it? I don't trust anything anymore.

>>62370927
the cheapest ddr4 i've found on ebay is still only £10 (~$13) cheaper than the ryzen 3 1200 i want to buy but it's some shitty value ram at 2133 mhz and i wanted at least 2400+ mhz because of how ram speed affects performance. i'll be upgrading the ryzen 3 to a 1600 in about 10 months time too

>>62370726
Sounds good
I honestly have no idea where to look for dumps, there's never anything working in there

I maybe think about putting my shitty Intel Atom Netbook into a diy bootleg cardboard case

>>62370879
Nothing, they're just too expensive compared to their performance. When you can get R5 1600 for $200 and 1400 for $160, there just isn't any reason to bother with an i5.

>>62370982
Ethics? Cost of buying 12 GPUs? It's complicated to the average consumer?

>>62370982
Because it's a giant money bubble that can burst anytime.

Looking to upgrade
What's a good CPU/Mobo/RAM combo?

Already have:
- NVMe SSD
- Shitton of HDD
- PSU
- Cases
- 32gb Optane
- 1080ti

Need to build a gaming pc cause my current computer is a toaster that can't run some of the games I wanna play. If anyone could help me figure out what kind of optimal build I should go for with these games in mind that'd be great:

Fallout (1,2,3,NV,4)
TES (1-5)

That's literally it

>>62371277
some cheap 2nd hand intel 4790/6700 or 1600
cheapest motherboard you can find that has a pcie slot
gtx 1060

>>62371277
>used 2500k/3570k/2600k
>used 970
>used z68/z77
>value ddr3 8gb

literally $350-400 off ebay all together

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XWyLGf
This is the gaymen build I pulled out of my ass. Is there anything wrong with it? I think I read somewhere that certain RAM speeds make Ryzen CPUs unhappy, can someone confirm that I won't get fucked by my choices here?

good MSI ATX mobo +250$ with built-in wifi?
help a brother in need my nigs

>>62371369
I'd get a kit that's on the official compatibility list, that one isn't
https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/am4-motherboard-memory-support-list-en_0.pdf

Are the heat spreaders on the gskill flare x kits as tall as they look? I bought one before realising my stupidly huge heatsink is pretty snug against my current ram and that's even with using the slots furthest away.

HW Unboxed looked over Bristol Ridge, and it's not pretty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyw7coOhN78

The only real use for the APUs is reliance on the iGPU, which isn't terribly impressive to begin with.
In the case of the Athlon paired with a discrete GPU, downgrading from the R3 1200 has only a small impact on the ultimate price of the PC, but the performance difference is severe. Bulldozer has not aged well.

>>62371548
Thank you kindly anon

>>62371715
Already posted in the thread.

>>62371748
Sorry, just got off work.

I just received my Nvidia GTX 1060 6gb

Will it get bottleneck from my Intel core i5 3470 @ 3.20GHz? Even though I OC'd it at 4GHz

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>>62363504
Is there any real disadvantage if i choose a micro atx motherboard? im trying to shave down prices as much as possible given current costs. What do you guys think?

>>62371847
Usually not, unless you need the I/O, and you probably don't.

>>62370781
>just DDU'd for 1080
>it runs cooler than my acx 2.0 980
amazing, i thought these thing were prone to thermal throttling because of how hot they run.

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>>62363504
>>62363504

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Will we be seeing Ryzen based Athlon any day?

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>>62372037
>tfw not in US

>>62372057

why is pcpartpicker still not listing the AM4 athalon

>>62372057
2018

>>62372061

ill be gaming on a HDTV so 60fps 1080p is all i need

>>62371784
no

Are there any cutie anime girls here that need help building a PC?

I am a /g/ certified

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>>62372159
do girls with dicks count?

>>62372345
those girls are the cutie-est

:3

>>62363504
Stop putting the G4560 in the poverty tier builds tier, it literally costs $100 on Newegg and $90 on Amazon right now

>>62372426

pcpricepicker wont show the AM4 athlon so its still the cheapest and best quad thread

>>62372426
If you're impoverished you should probably either stop being poor or kill yourself.

>>62372454
The Athlon isn't for poverty tier builds since you need a GPU, that's why the AM4 APUs exist

>>62363504
>CPUs:
>No i5 unless discounted
>>G4560 - poverty-tier builds
>>R3 1200 - Budget builds (<$500)
>>R5 1400 - If you need multithreading
>>R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage
>>R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use, not for just gaming

Yes, everybody knows that AMD is now first choice, but please consider making this more neutral.

>>62372489
Because being rich means you should waste your money on shit like a dual core desktop CPU for $100 in the year of our lord 2017?

>>62372498

if you're gaming you can come out ahead by just getting the GPU and still 50 dollars cheaper

Ryzen 5 1600X or i5 7600k for gaming?

>>62372454
The G4600 is cheaper and better, at least replace it with that

>>62372506
it is neutral you fucking nigger. name one intel cpu worth buying, except g4560.
no and 7700k is NOT worth buying when 8th gen is releasing in less than a month.

>>62372506
it will be more neutral when Intel makes a chip worth buying. This list is about what's best for the money, not about being fair.

>>62372534

th 4600 is more expensive

>>62372521
Ryzen 5 1600 overclocked to 3.8.

I'm doing a node 202 build with a r3 1200 on an asrock ab350 mitx. How tight will the stock cooler be against the ram? (if anyone's done a build on this motherboard)

>>62372578
Nope, it costs $87 on both Newegg access Amazon

>>62372592
>access
Fuck typing on a phone

>>62372516
Still better than any APU or Athlon garbage

>>62372506
The thing is AMD is the best price to performance overall compared to intel. And that's what most users here care about. If you are going for something high end for gaming the 8700k releasing on October 10th would be a good buy. Although you would need a AIO to cool its temp which will probably be high. 8600k might compete with 1600 where intels side is single thread and AMDs side is multi thread. If you buy a Ryzen 1700 you get a cooler good enough to OC to 3.7GHz and you can be done with it. the 8700k will need an AIO to cool it down which will add a good amount of cost.

>>62372605
You do realize it literally costs 5 bucks less than the 1200, right?

>>62372563
just rename the first group
no, i will not defend the 7700k

>>62372619
You do realize the G4560 is still better in games, right?

>>62372712
until you overclock the 122 to 4.0 Ghz on the stock cooler.
At which point, it performs like an i5 7400

>>62372735
>122
1200

>>62372712
[citation needed]

Hell, you can buy a fucking Dell Optiplex 7010 with an i5 3570 for $150 and throw a GPU in it and it still performs better in games than a G4560, there's literally no reason whatsoever to buy the G4560

can i use 3x 4GB RAM for triple channel with any recent AM4 motherboard ?

>>62363831
>build r5 1600 system
>actually stream for my friends
>lately even some randoms join in
>even reached 20 viewers
It's fun, I'm mostly streaming faster than light and xcom war of the chosen.

>>62372757
That's actually a good idea. Poverty tier needs to be fixed

>>62372765
dual channel only

best cooler for a 1700x? Currently thinking of the 120mm noctua. though the larger one is still available. also has to fit the define r5

>>62372777
Yup, my opinion is that you shouldn't buy new unless you have like $800-1000 to spend on a 1600/1060 build but a lot of people are opposed to buying used hardware for whatever reason

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1700/1700x/1800x?
I am only seeing marginal differences for the price on userbenchmark

or do I wait for 8700k?

Pic related is chart I made

i stream with my old i5 build using shadowplay. it's pretty fun. excellent quality too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-7010-Mini-Tower-3-4GHz-i5-3570-4GB-500GB-DVDRW-/272832402274

Here is an entire goddamn PC that costs as much as a single G4560 and *still* outperforms the G4560 in games when you add a GPU, if you still recommend the G4560 then I sure as hell hope you're on the Intel payroll because otherwise you're mentally ill

>>62372866
>Used

if i build a 2nd pc how can i go about transferring my win10 license to a 2nd hdd? i did some work experience as a regular IT assistant when i was in high school and i remember the guy there flashing like one copy of windows to like 50 different pc's

>>62372773
>>62372863
meant for

>>62372877
Thabk you for demonstrating that you know how to read

>>62372866
i don't think you understand why people recommend the Pentium, buddy. i could use the same argument about buying ryzen when i could just tell someone to buy a couple of old 8 core xeons for half the price.

pls respond

>>62372960
hello cutie, do you need some help ;3?

>want to get cool nzxt x52 cpu cooler for breddy rgb leds
>its garbage compared to the corsair hydro v100
>"ok I'll get the kraken x62 maybe"
>"case only compatible with 240mm radiators in front"
>mfw

>>62372964

forgot to link >>62372862

>>62372863
>shadowplay
Yeah it's great but I use amd card. My old i5 couldn't even handle streaming games like terraria. Now everything feels so great when I'm streaming, having multiple apps open in background and still barely using 20% of my cpu.

>>62372953
No, you can't, because Ryzen is actually worth buying while Pentium isn't. The only reason the G4560 gets recommended over the 1200 is because of the iGPU which has been rendered moot by the AM4 APUs which are cheaper and have a much better upgrade path

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>>62373012
your paid shilling is showing. ryzen is brilliant, yeah, but there is no way in hell the am4 apu's are worth buying over a g4560. it's a good budget cpu, if not the best sub-$100 modern cpu. nobody recommends the am4 apu's are they're legitimate trash.

the only think better than the g4560 at under $100 is a used 2600k, but that's a whole different argument.

>>62372976
Okay baby.

The 1700/1700x/1800x are basically the same chip except the 1700x and 1800x have a better chance to reach 4 GHz at lower voltages. If you are going to OC the 1700 is what you want. It comes with a good quiet cooler that will help you reach 3.7 GHz at decent volts without too high temps. If you want to go max out on overclocks the 1800x or 1700x will be a better buy. The 8700k would be a good buy if you are going for single thread performance to get the highest FPS you can in games. The Ryzen lineup is better for gaming, not as high FPS as intels side, but also offer good multi tasking speeds.

If you are not in a rush you could wait it out for 8700k just to be sure, maybe it will be good for multi task too? Some leaked benchmarks suggest otherwise in terms of price to performance. Remember to get 3200 CL14 ram for ryzen if you are going high end it will help make it faster. If budget go with at least 2666 ram.

The hyper 212 is similar in performance to Ryzen 1700's included cooler.

>>62373055
as they're *

im a noob, i will tell you why i took this parts and i ask you to correct everything thats wrong:


>AMD Ryzen 7 1700 8x 3.00GHz So.AM4 BOX
>291.50 Euro
i want 16T for my virtual machines and for compiling stuff
don't want a higher TDP than 65W, electricity isn cheap here
>ASRock A320M-DGS AMD A320 So.AM4 Dual
>47 Euro
just the cheapest mobo available
>8GB HyperX Savage schwarz DDR4-2800 CL14 DIMM
>2x 95.50 Euro
i heard ryzen benefits from low latency
>550 Watt Corsair VS Series VS550
>42 Euro
i have a RX480 which i sometimes use, this PSU is cheap
___________
~570 Euro

please help me to improve this

>>62373156
>A320 mobo
No, just don't.

>>62373055
Hardware Unboxeds video on the subject was shit, his own tests showed how much better the iGPU on the A12 is and then he starts talking about how you should buy the G4560 with a 1030 instead when the entire point of the APUs is that you're going to use it without a dedicated GPU. If you already have a GPU then why the fuck would you buy the G4560 over the 1200? The G4560 is a paperweight for gaming without a dedicated GPU, the APUs aren't.

The only reason for why the A12 isn't worth buying is because you can get the A8 9600 at half the price with basically the only difference being the clock speed that you can overclock yourself.

>>62373180
okay ?
should i go for the cheapest 350 then ?
>ASRock AB350M-HDV AMD B350 So.AM4 Dual Channel DDR4 mATX Retail

>>62373156
>A320
get at least a cheap B350, i wouldn't trust the R7 1700 to an A320 board
>i heard ryzen benefits from low latency
it does but it benefits more from frequency, a 3200 kit would be better even if it's CL16
>corsair VS
jesus christ no

>>62373188
his video comprehensively showed the g4560 to be much better in general compared to the apu. he also stated that it was stuttery whilst using the apu hence why he recommended the addition of the gt1030. the apu also uses like 3x more power which a lot of people do care about nowadays.

>>62373265
Nobody is saying the G4560 isn't better, it's about if it's actually worth buying when you factor in the cost and upgrade path, and again, why would you get the G4560 over the 1200 if you're going to use a GPU? And why would you get the A12 if you're going to use a GPU when it costs the same as the 1200? His video made no sense whatsoever.

The A8 9600 would be a much more interesting video, nobody thinks the A12 is worth buying aside from maybe in prebuilts.

>>62373228
>>62373180

my next try, i switched mobo, RAM and PSU
is this psu ok ?

>AMD Ryzen 7 1700 8x 3.00GHz So.AM4 BOX
>291.50 Euro
i want 16T for my virtual machines and for compiling stuff
don't want a higher TDP than 65W, electricity isn cheap here
>ASRock AB350M-HDV AMD B350 So.AM4 Dual
>63.50 Euro
just the cheapest B350 mobo available
>2x 8GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR4-3200 CL15 DIMM
>171.50 Euro
no description
>550 Watt XFX TS Series Non-Modular 80+ Gold
>63,55 Euro
because of the RX480 which i sometimes use
___________
~590 Euro

>>62373448
spend more on the mobo

>Asked a retailer for a quote a few days ago
>Didn't pay
>Today found out the item is being delivered to my door

I don't know what's going to happen. Would they be able to charge me for it once they found out?

>>62373523
there should be a letter in the package with a bill that you have to pay
i'm not sure what you are asking

>>62373641
thing is I never specifically asked to proceed with the purchase because their invoice was different from their listing price

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>>62373675
>>62373641
I'm very confused right now

Also worth mentioning that they have 3 prices for this single item
They need to sort shit out

Check this and tell me anything I need to do before placing my order.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qdRTKZ

>>62373722
change the PSU for one with all black cables.

And personally, I'd grab a Logictec G810/G910 Orion Spectrum keyboard.

>>62373722
I hope you didn't get an R7 just to game.

>>62373722
>buying windows

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is this shit place-bo or does it actually work? apparently eveyrhwere on the internet says they're godlike.

Can a laptop play MInecraft?

If I buy a used GTX 980 now, will it last for ~3 years?
I'm only afraid of the 4 GB not being enough.

>>62373675
>>62373693
for a valid purchase two matching declaration of intent (declaratio voluntatis) are needed.
By law, you did not buy this product, just send it back and tell them its a misunderstanding

>>62374018
No, you will need a 1080ti + the new 8700k at least to play it

>>62374019
they wont be enough

best b350 board out there?

>>62374161
as in one that probably won't t give me trouble out of the box

>>62364972
Intel runs way better.

>>62363716
>luxury features
like what?

>R5 1600 cinebench score is worse after bios update
What the fuck?

>>62364972
Are you a seller?

>>62374648
dOES it REALLY?

EXPLAIN
EXTRAPOLATE
SAY MORE

I want to hear ur story

>>62374680
he didn't overclock afer updating

>>62363504
Which 8GB RX 580 is best?

There's currently a big scare with China banning Buttcoin right now, so I fear this may be my only opportunity to buy.

>>62374711
Sapphire Tri-X

>>62374686
so anon was autism?

>>62374723
What about the Nitro+?

>>62374753
>3 fans vs 2 fans in a AMD card known to run hot
Hmmmm

>>62374215
No idea about best but how I've understood it ram that doesn't give you trouble is more difficult to find. For mobo I've used the asrock ab350 gaming m-itx and the Asus prime b350m-a (csm) and didn't have a problem with either.

What?

>>62374847
yeah I think I decided on the ASRock ab350 pro4. Seems to have very positive reviews.