is it as bad as /g/ says it is? What distro do you guys use?

Yes, Slackware

>>62351029
B O T N E T
O
T
N
E
T

Here come systemd shills.
Just you wait op

>>62351029
Well, I like to think of it as a ticking time bomb.
I use Arch.

>>62351048

Here come the anti-systemd shills.
Just you wait op

>>62351029
All I know is that systemd is strange to me, but it is also large and I had pulseaudio break after an update. Had to do with the way systemd assigns permission to users or something.

I use Void Linux because it is a simple distribution that just works.

It's not that bad, but it's developed by an incompetent retard that unironically gets defensive about new entries in issue tracker and prioritizes QR-code generators over critical bugs in system software.

i don't like systemd. it's confusing to me and unnecessarily complex. especially trying to figure out why something is broken. which is frequent. supposedly it's good for sysadmins running 100s of VMs in a datacenter or something. or maybe i'm not understanding the benefits.
but me, i'm ok with classic init.

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It's perfectly fine.

>>62351029
Slackware, I find it great that the computer is actually quiet after using arch linux and void linux where the fan was always on

>>62351042
Is it? Isn't it open source?

>>62351435
Yes it's open source. No one can point to the line of code that is "botnet" because it doesn't exist.

>>62351435
>>62351486
It's so bloated it's impossible to audit unlike other inits

600,000 LINES OF LOW LEVEL UNAUDITED C CODE

>>62351509
>muh 300k lines of code
Quit being a lazy faggot, either show the code that is "botnet" or shut the fuck up
If Stallman has no issue with it, then it can't be a botnet

>>62351546
Stallman does have issues with it...

Google DNS? Check

Undisclosed botnetted features? Check

Shitty Devs? NSA-aware project? A shilled everywhere project? Poettering a fag?

Ask yourself these questions...

>>62351546
Stallman is only satisfied with systemd because it is free software, he's talking about the ethics of it not if it's good or not

at least the log isn't in german

>>62351029
It's stupid but it's not worth dumping a distro over

>>62351565
Wait, there's no way it uses Google for DNS.

>>62351573
And I'm satisfied with that. If it's open source and free then I'm sure they aren't trying to sneak in the "botnet"

>>62351615
It silently fallbacks to Google DNS. You might be using Google's datamining DNS for months without knowing

>>62351563
Nice source faggot.

He said, "I know it’s free software, so ethically speaking, it’s not an issue – it’s just a convenience question."

https://www.networkworld.com/article/2900305/opensource-subnet/stallman-joins-the-internet-talks-net-neutrality-patents-and-more.html

>>62351573
But that's primarily what I care about, is it ethical. Beyond that I don't particularly give a fuck. It's fast on my machine and just werks.

>>62351565
>Google DNS
FAKE NEWS

>Undisclosed botnetted features
FAKE NEWS

>Shitty Devs
FAKE NEWS

>NSA-aware project
FAKE NEWS

>A shilled everywhere project
The only shills are the anti systemd neckbeard virgin losers who live in their mom's basement

>>62351687
C'mon lennart, you can do better than this

>>62351755
Imagine how many bugs could be fixed if the time spent shilling were instead used more productively

>>62351029
ubuntu 14.04 have it, but still using upstart as the init. Why?

can someone describe, succinctly, in plain English why systemd is absolutely necessary?

Gentoo, Void or Slackware?

Please no memes.

>>62351661
systemd-resolved uses google as a fallback, assuing you've manually enabled it and it can't find an alternative. It isn't enabled by default on anything as far as I'm aware and if you're behind a nat it wouldn't use google anyway. There's probably not a single person using the fallback dns that isn't 100% aware of it.

>>62351827
Simpleton daemon io and management.

>>62351830
Also, which has the most documentation?

>>62351816
Systemd has been in the repository for ubuntu since 13.04, it wasn't enabled by default until 15.04

>>62351830
>Gentoo, Void or Slackware?
>Please no memes.
That's pretty hard. :^)
>>62351851
>Also, which has the most documentation?
Gentoo has until they fucked up. They are still ok, but slackware is good too. I don't really know void. Only tried once, but if you like the arch way, you will be good with it.

>>62351029
Its literal Linux cancer OP. I use gentoo.

>>62351851
Gentoo has the most documentation although it also requires the most tinkering, and also has the steepest learning curve. With Void you pretty much get by by reading the package manager's man page etc

>>62351870
It's literally installed and running from the start, not just in the repo.

>>62351923
It wasn't running by default in ubuntu 14.04

>>62351029
No, it's not.
Fedora, CentOS and Gentoo (with systemd).

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>>62351565
>Google DNS? Check
This was changed on recent versions of Ubuntu, not sure about other distros. If it's a concern simply modify /etc/systemd/resolved.conf with a different fallback, like this one
https://www.bjornjohansen.no/dns-privacy
Literally 2 second fix

>Undisclosed botnetted features? Check
Source?

>Shitty Devs? NSA-aware project? A shilled everywhere project? Poettering a fag?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

>Ask yourself these questions...
I did, and I determined that you're a shilling faggot, the very thing you criticize others of doing.

>>62352000
>2019
>systemd by default broadcasts passwords in cleartext over the network
>"If it's a concern simply disconnect the network cable! Literally 2 second fix"

>>62352095
Epic comeback dude, you must be really smart

>>62352000
b-but faggot OS, my fav linux distro with a gay bear as logo, adopted sytemd so I MUST BE GOOD for me, the customer of a shilling enterprise

back 2 /lgbt (((YOU))) go

>>62352141
Thanks anon

>>62352147
>b-but faggot OS, my fav linux distro with a gay bear as logo, adopted sytemd so I MUST BE GOOD for me, the customer of a shilling enterprise
>
>back 2 /lgbt (((YOU))) go
Not him, but I really have to ask: how's living with brain damage?

>>62351774
Just imagine how many bugs could be fixed if the time spent shilling were instead used more productively, Poettering.

>people unironically believe Lennart browses 4chan

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>>62352147
This is the only /lgbt/ I care about
>>62348458

I bet all the little faggots in this thread crying over "muh systemd botnet" are literally getting RAPED by the Intel ME/AMD PSP in their (((proprietary BIOS))) every single day; but no, instead of fixing that GLARING security hole literally sponsored by the NSA, they're going to cry like whiny bitches over a DNS fallback. Enjoy your botnet, all of you. Fuck off and go to hell.

>>62352206
>people unironically believe Lennart

No

Ubuntu, CentOS and Fedora

>>62352178

"Reached target Shutdown"

Teги:DNS Linux Systemd Hoвocти Уязвимocти. 3 кoммeнтapия к зaпиcи Уязвимocть в systemd пpeдcтaвляeт oпacнocть для мнoгих диcтpибyтивoв Linux.

Created symlink /run/systemd/system/-.mount → /dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/boot.mount → /dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/home.mount → /dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/opt.mount → /dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/run-user-1000.mount → /dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/run-user-21.mount → /dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/tmp-xdg\x2dcjg-gvfs.mount →
/dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/tmp.mount → /dev/null.
Created symlink /run/systemd/system/var-lib-machines.mount → /dev/null.
Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
(gpartedbin:18772): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
Removed /run/systemd/system/-.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/boot.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/home.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/opt.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/run-user-1000.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/run-user-21.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/tmp-xdg\x2dcjg-gvfs.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/tmp.mount.
Removed /run/systemd/system/var-lib-machines.mount.

>>62352243
>people unironically believe 4chan

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>>62351029
It's insecure by design, has had many backdoors and is under constant revision so more are being inserted all the time.

It's not reliable, is more bloated than all of Linux + the GNU userland + GCC + Emacs combined circa a few years ago.

The developer is an actual East German communist who works for a company in bed with multiple alphabet agencies who are working to destroy the privacy of every person on earth.

If you use systemd, you're a retard. The fact that they have to shill against it all the time is bad enough, but the shills responses indicate that they don't have anything positive to say about systemd themselves. They constantly mischaracterize the valid criticisms of systemd and them huffily say "WELL BUILD YOUR OWN INIT THEN" as if there aren't already many different, mature, stable, and much smaller competitors.

All in all, it's obvious to even the most casual observer that this software has no technical merits.

The had to kill the Debian founder to get it into that distro.

>>62352283
Yes, you're retarded. I were asking how's living with brain damage...
w/e, never mind.

600000 lines of C code and rapidly rising
>b-but why would the US deep st.. I mean Red Hat add bugs? S-shut up!
>l-look, Stallman said that he, in principle, has no problem with the project so everything is totally fine!
the absolute state of Red Hat shills (useful idiots)

>>62351029
https://www.amazon.com/Savaged-Systemd-Erotic-Unix-Encounter-ebook/dp/B075DYXZW1

>>62352373
Enjoy getting raped by your proprietary BIOS faggot. That's where the real deep state bugs are.

>>62351546
How about root access if you create a username with a number as the first character?

There have been countless backdoors like this which have already been exposed. Are you telling us you want us to point out existing, undiscovered ones?

No, no. Those are sold on the darknet to the Russian mafia.

>>62352396
>here's one steaming pile of shit
>so you should eat it because there exists another steaming pile of shit
you sound like a mental midget, your pilpul sucks

>>62352398
You mean the bug that has already been fixed? W-wow anon, there has never been a bug in the history of computing until systemd. T-thanks for telling me.

>>62352420
Sound like you're the one doing mental gymnastics anon. Why haven't you gotten a computer with libreboot? Why do you enjoy being cucked by a proprietary BIOS?

ITT: People supporting systemd

ITT: People who like to gargle cum

PROTIP: They are the same people.

---------------------------------------------------

>>62352469
ITT: People who use proprietary BIOS

ITT: People who like to gargle cum

PROTIP: They are the same people.

ftfy

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>>62351029

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systemd devellopers. also post rare lennarts

>>62352422
It was only fixed because it became a large tech story. Poetterings initial reaction was to close and label as not a bug because he thought you shouldn't be able to make users starting with a number.

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>>62351398
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+label%3Anot-a-bug
A reel goldmine

>>62352422
>the bug that has already been fixed
New bugs like this pop up all the time and Lennart is busy creating even more ridiculous back doors.

You asked for people to point out the back door in the code, and they did.

The point is, new bugs are sold to the Russian mafia, they aren't disclosed to Lennart so he can file them as 'not a bug.' Maybe the NSA hast to pay more than the Russians for the backdoors?

>>62352439
>mental gymnastics
Libreboot is coded by a mind controlled tranny, there's no excuse for using it. Pre-ME era hardware only.

>>62352556
He claimed he 'coundle' even figure out how' that could be done. The little communist nigger doesn't even know useradd or how to edit the passwd file directly.

Since you systemd shills are here, I've got a question. Using the latest RHEL 7 distro...

How do I get a fucking system shutdown script to work in systemd?

I've put my script in /etc/init.d/ and I've added it to chkconfig with runtime 01.

What do?

>>62351534
Don't forget that this pile of unaudited C code runs as PID 1! Meaning it runs as root and if it crashes it brings down the entire system!

>>62352570
Sauce on tranny? Does she do porn? Asking 4a friends

Practically everyone uses systemd on Linux, Gentoo has like 100 users these days.

>>62351830
Gentoo is tiresome
Void is a meme
Slackware is ancient
Just use a good modern distro with systemd and stop giving a fuck about what weirdos from /g/ are saying.

>>62352662
People are sick of it and removing it in droves. Other distros are forking to get rid of it.

It's just no good on small hardware, either - it absolutely rapes devices like CHIP and the RPi. Embedded Linux is going to suffer badly because of these technologies, and they're moving more and more useless shit into the kernel every day.

Systemd does nothing that daemontools didn't do a decade or more ago.

>>62352570
>Libreboot is coded by a mind controlled tranny, there's no excuse for using it. Pre-ME era hardware only.
Nice red herring there. That has no bearing on the project you gigantic faggot. Enjoy your shitty Pentium 4

>>62352750
>People are sick of it and removing it in droves. Other distros are forking to get rid of it.
citation needed, faggot

>>62352773
>>62352787
Reddit just called, they are asking if you can come back.

>>62351830
Gentoo m8. I came from Arch, others are obscure.

>>62352750

>People are sick of it and removing it in droves. Other distros are forking to get rid of it.

LOL, every large to medium distro defaults to systemd, and I don't even like it, but let's not be fucking retards here.

Anyway, eventually something better will come along a replace it, the warts are already showing and it's not as if the team behind systemd is loved even by those who swear by it.

Going back to hacky bashscripts is not going to happen though, that ship has sailed.

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>>62352868
Epic comeback dude, you must be really smart

>>62352680
>Slackware is ancient
does this even matter since it still gets updated frequently and is stable?

>>62351830
Devuan

>>62352680
>Slackware is ancient
Packages under stable are relatively recent and current is all up to date

>>62353351
Well, if KDE4 is still a hot new thing for you than everything is ok.
There is some AlienBob build with KDE Plasma though.

>>62351827
It's not. The only problems it "solves" (simpler service definitions, service management, and parallel service startup) had already been solved by things like OpenRC and runit, and had even been hacked into sysvinit in some cases. The only reason you might find youself needing it now is if some software has a hard dependency on it for no apparent reason (like gnome).

>>62351830
Depends on what you want. Gentoo and Slackware are both well established distros while void is relatively new. Gentoo offers tons of configurability through USE flags and other portage configs so if you want your system to be exactly a certain way it might be for you. Void is very minimal but it has an ncurses installer which makes installing easier and it has a fast binary package manager. Slackware is very old school in many ways and you may have to resolve dependencies yourself. Slackware does have an installer though unlike gentoo. Gentoo and void are both community run, although gentoo has a properly defined governance structure while void is just a group of people. Slackware is run by one guy who has final say. It's up to you to take these factors into account and choose what you want.

>>62351029
Install Gentoo.

>>62352368
This^
/thread

>>62352225
/thread

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>>62351029
>is it as bad as /g/ says it is?
It's fucking worse. MUCH WORSE!

>>62354758
>To exploit the issue, an attacker would have to convince an administrator - someone who already has root access - to install a unit file with an invalid username.
Whew lad, is this the best the anti-systemd virgin neckbeard shills who live in their mom's basement can come up with?

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>>62354914
as if most sysadmins know that filenames with a starting number give you root access under systemd based distros. kek
stay clueless and suck on that SJW's tiny kraut dick.

For how many lines of code it has, it really doesn't make anything easier from the user perspective. Its bloated as shit and difficult to figure out how to do simple things with, like figure out why a service failed, or see which services are installed or running. Using something like openrc, someone unfamiliar can pick up the basics pretty quickly. With systemd anything other than starting and stopping services just seems overly complicated and inconsistent to me.

>>62354947
This guy is so fucking stubborn. He takes every bug report as some kind of personal attack. He'll take that "not-a-bug" label with him to the grave.

>>62354947
>stay clueless and suck on that SJW's tiny kraut dick
plz go back to /pol/

>>62354999
he's a fucking idiot. total moron.
>>62355044
fuck off back to /lgbt/ or whatever leftist shithole you came from. 4chan is not for you.

>>62355116
Excuse me, but are you referring to /lgbt/ Libreboot is the Greatest BIOS Thread?

>>62351029
better to use windows if you want to get botnet.

>>62355325
also Void is a good option atm.

>>62354999
Now I have an image in my head of Poetterings grave with not-a-bug carved into it.

Only if you're autistic enough to care about your init system despite it working fine. People complain about its feature and scope creep, and that it tries to become more than just an init system and become a baseplate for all Linux systems. This is not good obviously but it works nicely on my Debian servers so I'm not really all that mad.

On that note I use gentoo because I am super autistic and happy with my autism-friendly dependency based init system that does nothing more than be an init system.

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So we'll hate him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

>>62351211
told you lmao

>>62351029
>>62351029
classic system 5 init, OpenBSD.

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>>62351029

>>62351029
I don't like that my package manager won't work without it and I can't use any other init system.

https://pwnies.com/nominations
t. Fedora user

>>62354758
His response to "0day" is what pushed me over the edge to believing he's acting with malice.

(systemD)FreeBSD

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>>62357881
NOT A BUG
O
T
A
B
U
G

>>62354914
A username with a leading digit is completely valid though, there is no prohibition in POSIX or any other standard which says you can't use a leading digit, and useradd will accept a leading digit.

Invalid my ass.

>>62357984
I really cannot comprehend why Redhat would keep this guy employed. Except for malice. That's the only thing that explains it.

>>62358071
Exactly.

>>62352225
Your shallow image pool, is it what you use to out you to your ass buddies?

>>62351509
Yes, so instead of being impossible to audit the systemd source code, it is better to be impossible to edit millions of lines of shell script sysvinit boilerplate.

>>62358409
>millions of lines of shell script sysvinit boilerplate
You mean a couple thousand lines, tops.

>>62351827
It's not absolutely necessary, the same way all technology is not absolutely necessary. Let's just go back to roasting wild squirrels in caves.

systemd just improves the quality of life for sysadmins and OS devs and package distributors. It's definitely not absolutely necessary.

>>62351029
It's garbage. All I want is an init system and something to manage my services. Not a giant bloated monster with millions of "features" no one in their right mind would want.

>>62358071
Yes, and renaming the root user is completely valid, there is no prohibition in POSIX.

Go ahead and see how much software breaks.

A lot of programs do not work properly if you make a user starting with a leading digit.

>>62358640
>A lot of programs do not work properly if you make a user starting with a leading digit.
Bullshit, name one other than systemd.

Do you just make this shit up as you go Lennart?

>>62358547
Thing is, it does services management way worse than smf or openrc or other alternatives, and it isn't as reliable as sysvinit, so there's really no point to it at all.

Progress isn't going backwards, and systemd doesn't improve quality of life for anybody.

All I know is that it's a fucking headache to manage and fucking up one line in the configs can cause your system to flat out not boot

>>62358770
>it isn't as reliable as sysvinit
I don't call /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; /etc/init.d/apache2 stop; pgrep apache2; pkill apache2; /etc/init.d/apache2 start reliable

>>62359271
I don't call "service failed to start, see journalctl" reliable either.

>>62357881
>>62357984
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

>>62359354
No, that's the wrong attitude. Malice OFTEN masks itself by feigning stupidity. And considering the severity of the situation, Lennart does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

>>62359324
At least systemd can reliably kill processes thanks to cgroups.

>>62359514
What is this 2011 or something? Using cgroups isn't limited to systemd.

>>62359324
I dont call "your log is corrupt,rotating log
Oh you wanted your log file? well since its binary its corrupt and we dont take any tries to uncorrupt it so all that information you need is no longer avalible" reliable either

>>62358751
>>Do you just make this shit up as you go Lennart?
I'm pretty sure he does. Obviously 'user "0day" gives you root' was not behavior he knowingly implemented. He only justifies it AFTER he learns about it. Every time he gets hit by a bug like this, he dreams up an excuse on the spot.

It's disgusting. We need to bring back the Roman approach to engineering. The engineer of a bridge must stand beneath the bridge as the wood frame is removed. If the bridge collapses, the engineer gets squashed. Lennart needs to be held accountable for his crimes.

>>62359550
>binary logs
I will never understand why they thought this was a good idea.

>>62359570
Putting su root into an sysvinit script also gives you root, what's your point?

If your attacker has access to root files you're already compromised.

Systemd.emacs

https://twitter.com/popey/status/906889259700903942

>>62359638
>tell systemd to execute service file as a normal user
>actually gets executed at root
Systemd shills think this is acceptable behavior.

>>62359669
>Create invalid configuration file
>Get angry that systemd uses a default value to preserve backward compatibility of configuration file syntax

>>62359715
There is nothing invalid about usernames starting with a number. You can add one right now.

>>62359271
It's perfectly reliable, at least you can tell if it worked or not, and fix it if it didn't.

Also can't you just make a script to do that?

if you use it you're contributing to the death of unix and should be banned from /g/

if you arent using systemd you most likely pull in a dependency like udev/libsystemd0/pulseaudio

>>62359767
Right, I use eudev and pulseaudio. I know a lot of people absolutely hate pulseaudio, but honestly nothing works better for me.

>>62359715
>it's perfectly reasonable for our init system to FAIL UNSAFE.

I'm serious when I say engineers like you and Lennart should have to put your lives on the line.

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it is at the very least pretty shady, and if I can avoid it without any losses on my computing, why not?

>pic related

No its fine never listen to g also its not going anywhere for alooooooooooong time

>>62359726

$ useradd 0test 
useradd: invalid user name '0test'

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>>62360193
Works on some machines. Regardless, even if you do treat those kinds of usernames as invalid, it's pants-on-head retarded to give them root instead of just not executing the service and outputting an error.

>>62359740
>Also can't you just make a script to do that?

Yes. That script combined with all of the hundreds of other scripts needed to make sysvinit robust is called systemd.

>>62360229
Why do systemd shills act like openrc and runit don't exist?

>>62360222
systemd outputs a warning about invalid config syntax.

Again, feel free to rage that systemd decides to support backward compatibility by defaulting to a safe value.

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>>62352895
Do u still use pacman? It's impossible to use arch repos without systemd right?

>>62360243
>literally executes as root
>safe value
You're drunk lennart.

>>62360262
Safe as in the service will work, stupid. Most services won't work if you default them to run as bob.

>>62352868
Just because someone is irrational in one aspect of their life does not mean they will be irrational in all aspects of their life.

>>62360289
>Most services won't work if you default them to run as bob.
No fucking shit. They shouldn't work. This is no different. Do you just hate security?

It works perfectly fine.
Most people complaining don't actually have any horse in the race, and the rest are butthurt sysadmins who have to spend another 10 minutes re-writting their scripts so they can go back to being lazy.

As far as how well it works- I had much bigger issues with Upstart, and any other init systems I've used. units not starting, not properly logging, etc etc.

I've quite literally never had an issue with systemd. Does it have some bloat? Sure I'm sure it does, but so does the Linux kernel, and I honestly don't care enough to compile it without the shit I don't need.

Of course, the blood thirsty anit-systemd army will just label me a shill, but all I say is to form your own opinion, OP.

>>62360302
I suppose you'll be glad to learn that if you typo the user setting in a openrc script (or sysvinit script) the service will also run as root.

>>62360400
I don't know what you're talking about. /etc/init.d is owned by root and all scripts there will execute as root. If you want a daemon to run without root, don't handle them with openrc.

>>62351534
>600,000 LINES
source?

>>62360241
systemd shills are dishonest

that they can't argue honestly is quite damning for systemd

>>62352662
systemd is a competent user's nightmare. I don't know anyone who is experienced with UNIX that likes it.