/hpg/ Headphone General

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Daily reminder

Beyers for finding flaws not for enjoying music!

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>>62343513
Idolfag here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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>>62343542
>for finding flaws
Even then only flaws at ~9 kHz.

posting headphone tone test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuG9PPm67p4

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Can anyone here hear above 19khz?
I tried with a re400 plugged in my laptop and 19 is my limit.

>>62343657
34 y.o., 16 kHz here. Too much time spent playing loud guitar in a rock band without earplugs.

>>62343657
I can hear 21khz using the tone generator in adobe audition but nothing at 22khz

>>62343706
>I can hear 21khz
You might be hearing harmonic distortion.

If the endgame goal/dream of audio is to sound like it's real(transparency). Don't headphones with unrealistic soundstage fail that heavy compared to speakers? Wouldn't the room also affect real instruments also?

>>62343657
19khz is my limit too. I'm never going to test it again because it would probably be depressing in another 10 years.

>>62343742
Soundstage is super subjective and, to me, a minor concern. Tonality is by far the primary concern.

>>62343742
>sound like it's real
I go to a lot of live gigs and I still don't get it. Live music sounds like shit, I'm not sure why people want it to sound like it's live

>>62343771
I want to like headphones but my HD600 is missing the depth that my near-fields provides. I think both are really good though. I just wish I could personally like one more than the other enough to disregard the alternative option.

>>62343806
The best headphones in the world will never compete with good speakers, anon. Headphones will always be a compromise for those who do not wish to disturb others with their audio.

>>62343722
that would be subharmonic distortion

>>62343824
the best headphones in the world have better resolution than anything speakers can offer at the same price point

>>62343858
>resolution
sick buzzword

>>62343858
But speakers have higher technical ability.

>>62343932
Not to mention far superior multidynamic soundscaping.

>>62343772
>Live music sounds like shit
...if the sound guy sucks ass. A local venue around here keeps the volume level sane and shows always sound great there.

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https://canpicker.com/

Updated, now with 20% more headphones. I need to get around to adding the rest and internationalizing the prices.

>>62344074
>shows always sound great there
and they will always sound much better after being properly recorded and mastered

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>>62343772

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>dumb speakercucks still haven't learned
Kek. Make sure not to get too mad though, don't want to lose your half inch sweet spot.

It's getting quite loud in the office when I try to work and using my Superlux 668b isn't helping much. Are Bose Quietcomfort 35 / 25 the only viable options? Anyone using them?

>>62344303
It's nice not being autistic and being able to enjoy music from my bed without ear muffs and cables in my way.

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>>62344324
>be speakerbrainlet
>constantly trip over cables

>>62344287
Do you have your ear speakers ready to go?

>>62344321
>668B
>Office
Well no shit, it's an open headphone. Try Etymotic IEMs or Sennheiser 280/380 Pro.

>>62344321

668b are semi-open cans. Get closed ones.

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>>62344345

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>>62344950
What did the speakercuck mean by this

>>62344112
>no beyerdynamic

>>62343513
>Budget
Below €170
>Location
Finland
>Source
desktop, laptop and phone
>Type of headphone
full-size
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
very
>Sound signature
don't care
>Past headphones
razer krakens

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>>62345264
little late

>>62345365
HD579

>>62343771
Hope you EQ then.

>>62345482
those are expensive memes desu

>>62345482
Closed, idiot.
>>62345365
HD569 or HD380 Pro.

>>62345365
Beyerdynamic Custom Studio

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>>62343742
Soundstage on most recordings is artificially recreated during mixing. How can you get a "realistic" soundstage when musicians weren't even recorded playing together?

In fact the easiest way to get a truly realistic soundstage is with headphones, provided you play binaural recordings.

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>>62344303

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Greetings.

>Budget
100-150€ I suppose.
>Location
Finland
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfort is a big deal for me. Owned few pieces of shit which became very uncomfortable in less than 1 hour.
>Sound signature
Not an audio autist, gaming is the main purpose, doesn't hurt if it works for music, mainly listening to rock/metal.
>Past headphones
Logitech G 930 Wireless(never gonna use wireless again.) Current ones are Asus Strix DSP, after 2 guarantee switches my audio station keeps restarting itself because ???
So now I am looking for a new pair.

So far, Steelseries Arctis 5 and Sennheiset GSP 300 seem to be interesting ones. If any of you have experiences with either of those or some new ideas, all are welcome.

>>62346107
I think he just meant when it sounds like the music is coming from around you, instead of just right outside your ears.

>>62346107
binaural just give better imaging. it still sounds like it's coming from two cups humping the sides of your head retard. also binaural souns good on speakers too. i prefer asmr on speakers than headphones.

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>>62346107
also flat is justice!

>>62346311
>>>/v/

I've been using DT770s for 5 years now and over time the cable has stiffened towards the cans. I mean really stiffened- trying to flex the cable is like trying to flex a biro. Anybody else experienced this and/or knows how to soften it? I've tried warming it up but that only works until it cools back down again (big surprise)

>>62346397
copper oxidization? cut the bad part of cable and resolder

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Hello, I need an headphone for my computer.
I already got a mic. I was considering the JBL Harman T450BT(pic related) as I can have it for 30€.

Few question though :

-Is the Bluetooth ok ? It's Blueetooth 4.0
-It'll mainly be to play Counter Strike and maybe video editing. I don't really care about the sound quality and I don't listen to a lot of music. I'm mainly worried about the lag. Can I stream video without delay ? How about playing video games ?

If bluetooth is not ok for what I need, does anyone got a good deal for a 30e helmet ?

Thanks

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what are these bad boys? i saw them in the last /hpg/

>>62348169
literally says in the filename
playstation dac
and hd800

>>62348178
thanks!

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>>62348224
anytime
they're kinda pricy, but most agree they're great sounding

>>62348280
yea 1000€, I am thinking about HD600 or K701 / K702 now. I manly listen to Rock / Electro / Hip-hop and play vida from time to time

What's a good 150-200 bucks IEM?
Detachable cable is a must so no brands like RHA. I'm open to pretty much any sound signature, not picky when it comes to that
I was thinking the MEE P1 or M7 Pro.

>>62348352
>I manly listen to Rock / Electro / Hip-hop and play vida from time to time

Consider the HD650, then

>>62343742
can any headphones right now make the sound feel like it's coming from the front? It's always left, right, and rear with my headphones.

>>62349952
Yes they're called speakers and they're very open back

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What causes clipping?
I notice clipping when I set my DAC to -0db

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>>62348352 >>62348665
The difference in bass is minimal, and HD600 is more accurate.
>>62343547
To the usual HD600+Fulla2 peoples, I'm watching nanoha vivid, volume is ok to a bit loud at 10 o'clock on the fulla2.

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Streaming 192KHz music

https://chiru.no:8081/highres.flac

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>>62344112
>no Beyersremorse
What a wise, learned anon.

>>62344131
>properly
There's the key. I find that live recordings tend to be extremely hit and miss when it comes to the recording/mastering quality, even when done by pros.

>>62344303
There's two ways to EQ speakers:
- EQ to listening position. Put the mic where your head goes. This will create a small sweet spot. Works best if you measure and EQ each channel separately;
- EQ to the speakers. Measure each speaker 3-6 inches from the speaker and have a separate EQ for each channel. This will produce results which sound fairly good in the entire room, but inferior to the above method at the listening position. For this method you would actually, ideally, measure each speaker outdoors in free air elevated well off the ground to completely remove room acoustics from the measurement, but a 3-6 inch away indoor measurement is an acceptable, convenient compromise for most here since the direct sound from the speaker should almost completely mask any effects of room acoustics.

>>62350410
Stupid speakercuck.
>crosstalk is good!!

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>>62350988
>move head 3 inches
>FR drastically changes for the worse
No thanks, speakercuck.

>>62345502
Of course. I EQ any audio system of mine, speakers or headphones. Why wouldn't I? Every audio system at any price can always benefit from EQ and properly applied EQ does not produce any negative audible effects.

>>62348352
>I am thinking about HD600 or K701 / K702 now
HD600 are neutral and K701/702 are bright, meaning treble-heavy. HD600 are the much safer pick here unless you specifically prefer bright sound.

>>62351005
Did you even read the post you're responding to?
>This will produce results which sound fairly good in the entire room
The second method removes flaws in the speakers from the equation but leaves the room acoustics as is. This means that when you move your head the sound could just as easily be improving as it could be getting worse. This method will provide a large increase in fidelity over not EQing for any listening position in the room.

>>62351119
>fairly good
Maybe by speakercuck standards. Still garbage.

>>62351137
I know you're just shitposting at this point, but you know what? I own the world's most comfortable headphones, MDR-MA900, and you know what's more comfortable than MDR-MA900? Not wearing any headphones. There's something to be said for that re: speakers.

>>62351172
>speakerpussy bitching about headphone comfort
Fucking lol, grow a pair.

>>62350990
Go to any live music event of any genre. Crosstalk is essential for natural, realistic music reproduction. Even when recording in the studio crosstalk is an important aspect.

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>>62350990
>he listens to headphones without crossfeed

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>>62351207
Live music sounds like shit, if you're using concerts as a standard for fidelity, you're completely retarded.
>>62351230
>speakerbrainlet unable to process two simultaneous audio tracks independently

>>62351230
Reminder that the dropbox link in http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/advanced-crossfeed-dsp.762/ is the best crossfeed available; the only one I'm aware of with zero effect on frequency response.

>>62351342
>supercuckaudiofriends
Yeah, those retarded brainlets would want to color their audio with retarded dsp.

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beyers sound so fucking good with some tube distortions

>>62350988
>3-6 inch away
>inch
You meant feet, didn't you? 3-6 inches doesn't seem practical at all for multi-way speakers.

>>62352123
>You meant feet, didn't you?
No. I did not. The point is placing the mic close enough so that the direct sound from the speaker masks room acoustics as much as possible. If you do this outdoors and elevated like you're really supposed to, then yes, you can do feet away. Indoors, it's gonna need to be inches away.

>>62352170
Then speaker directivity and multiway lobing is going to ruin your measurement.

I'd use your nearfield method for frequencies bellow, say, 800hz. And then splice it with a gated measurement 3 feet away on tweeter axis for frequencies above 800Hz.

>Budget
100-150€
>Location
Europe
>Source
Smartphone/Laptop
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Past headphones
Looking to replace Soundmagic E10's
Currently using ATH-M50 when I'm not commuting
Would it be worth getting a small DAC/AMP?

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MEE M7 Pro yay or nay?
Worth the price hike compared to the M6?

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>>62352110
>this entire post

>>62352294
Room acoustics will definitely come into play at 3 feet. Inches away should be just fine for the whole frequency range for monitors and smaller. I'm not sure there is an ideal indoors method for larger speakers. Maybe inches away from the woofer for bass response and inches away from the tweeter for treble response and splice the two.

>>62352294
>>62353658
>800 Hz
I imagine the ideal frequency at which you would switch from measuring the woofer to measuring the tweeter would be the crossover point if the speakers have a crossover.

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Looking at just Tyll's measurements. This thing IS an hd600. It measures completely identically on all of his tests. I mean, I think that's cool. I've always wanted a pair of hd600 and having what is essentially an option for a different build style is nice.
How the hell did they manage this? It's is identical in performance in every single way. It's like making a xps 13 when you're not dell, changing the keyboard, and giving it a new name.
That ath-m50 money but be real as fuck.

>>62353937
costs more though

>>62353658
>Room acoustics will definitely come into play at 3 feet
True. That's why I mentioned gated measurements for higher frequencies. See here for an example: dtmblabber.blogspot.com/2010/09/gating-loudspeaker-measurements.html

>>62354054
I think it's much nicer looking but I suppose that doesn't matter since it's an at home headphone. I like the headband more too. I've just never seen two headphones so similar before. Look at innerfidelity measurements. I'm not overacting, its exactly the same

Daily reminder that if you don't own a pair of HD 600s then you're not a real audio enthusiast.

>>62354088
It's also harder to drive and has smaller earpads

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>>62353937
Tyll's HD600 measurement is poorly sealed though, and thus an invalid comparison. This GE measurement of R70x suggests it's significantly darker than HD600; its treble is more rolled off.

>>62354191
For such an important headphone as the hd600 he really needs to fix that. I had absolutely no idea. Thanks anon, dark is 100% not what I want. Much prefer bright headphones.

>>62352110 look >>62343542

>>62354446
It's all subjective but I tend to agree with you.

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so basically buy hd600s for indoor and buy kz zs5s for outdoor

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Complete audio noob. My friend has given me a DAC/AMP for free, he and research told me that its a pretty good one, and I want to put it to good use, it is a JDS Lab Element.

I have about 350 GBP / 461 USD to spend on some open back headphones. No need for portability but comfort is V important.


Sennheiser HD650 + AKG K712 Pro seem to be the choices from what I have gathered but desu I have no fucking clue.

>>62354611
Oh and I am using them for gaming, soul, jazz, hip-hop.

>>62354611
>k712 pro
Hell no. It's niggerbass with a quite rollercoaster FR.
>HD650
Generally considered worse than HD600.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaR34WTjYt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Es9S9tXTY
With your budget and amp, HD600 is an automatic suggestion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZTKCMRzHM

>>62354091
Real audio enthusiasts go for the HD580.

>>62354719
>>62354091
Daily reminder that REAL ascended audiophiles, like myself, use $3 walmart shitphones with EQ that makes them sound like HD800.

>>62354670
>600
From what I have read, the 600 is more a "sound engineer" technical headphone,in that it isn't the best for gaming or casuals, but more for recording etc.

>>62354790
Wokest nigga in the thread tbqfhwy senpai

>>62354611
Would this be sufficient to power 600/650s anyway?

https://www.jdslabs.com/products/151/the-element/

>>62354611
HD600 is a really choice if you don't mind the weak sub bass

>>62354834
Maki anon here, does 600s just fine, even in low gain.

>>62354796
>From what I have read
Give those vids a watch.
>that it isn't the best for gaming or casuals
Depends on what gaming and casuals prefer. You'd think most want accuracy, and the HD600 is the more accurate of the two. HD650 has recessed treble and emphasised bass. The midrange is also a little more forward than neutral, but less flat. Overall, it's also less natural sounding.
Thus, the HD600 is favoured by a majority of reviewers. It is also usually found cheaper.

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FUCK
How fucked am I?

>>62354873
I'm blind, or I don't see an issue at a glance.

>>62354900
There's a dent on the driver at the upper left area.

>>62354909
On the actual driver? Oh ic.
Well, time to look for the driver replacement part.
How did that even happen?

>>62354873
>those wrinkles
Rest in pepperoni

>>62354873
babby's first planar pop

What's the general consensus on Audio-Technica ATH-R70x vs 600/650s?

>>62354973
Not many people here have heard the r70x so take opinions posted with a grain of salt. Personally I might grab a pair as a second set of beater cans to complement the HD600.

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>>62354873
>he did buy HD600s

>>62354998
>Not many people here have heard anything but the hd600
ftfy

>>62354957
What is that?

>>62354998
I feel like going out on a limb and just buying them. It's a toss up between it and the 600. The AT's are cheaper here. Just worried my dac/amp will not be good enough.

>>62355037
planar magnetics use a very thin membrane that flexes, and it can pop like that. with the lcd-2 it used to happen when you take the headphones on and off

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>>62355036
No need to if it's the most neutral in its reasonable price range.

>>62355071
How does it affect sound?

>>62355048
>AT's are cheaper
Honestly, go for it. If you have a chance to try and compare the 600s, that'd be really cool as well.

>>62355123
you'll hear a pop and then the driver goes dead or sounds all fucky

>Budget
£300-400
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
Over-ear closed headphones, warm or neutral, WIRELESS
>Comfort level
Comfy, but can sacrifice for good sound quality

I heard that the Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 Over-Ear Wireless is a good choice. Is this true, or are there other better headphones in this price range?

>>62355179
Mine sounds normal except the bass sounds like it's clipping. But it could be the dac (it clips high frequency too).

>>62355210
Pretty much the best
I own the wired version and they're super comfy because of the soft leather earpads and they're super lightweight.
You can't turn off ANC, so there's that. I think for that price most of the stuff you'll get will have ANC tacked on anyways.

The left speaker on my Sony mdr-ex15ap after like a week. My hd438 3.5mm jack also broke. Now everything I have left is a Jabra move. Is it worth buying a replacement cord or should I just upgrade?

>>62355287
You need to stop buying shitty headphones

>>62355210
Sony MDR1000Xs might be exactly what you want.

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what's the thinkpad of the headphone world?

>>62355314
Yes. Any suggestion for replacing the hd438? I would like to try something entirely different.

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>>62354670
why do i get the feeling you've never tried any of those headphones. weird

>>62355337
Do not buy the 1000X unless you want snapped earbands and Sony blaming you for it.
Wait for the mkii version that's supposedly coming out soon if you really want sony shit.

>>62355369
some people on here even shill the hd600 when they don't even have it

convince me not buy dt 770s

>>62355401
>some people

>most people
ftfy

>>62355383
>Do not buy the 1000X unless you want snapped earbands and Sony blaming you for it.

Any proof to back that accusation?
I've had mine for almost a year now and although the build quality isn't spectacular like that of my x2s, they're 100% after using them almost everyday for over 2 hours.

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>>62355467
Just use google my dude it's all over the net
Sony originally said the headphones were fine and blamed the user
Then chinks started getting together to sue Sony, then Sony changed their tune and said only SOME production batches had issues and replaced anyone withing that serial number
Then the models from supposedly good batches started cracking anyways and they just gave up and annoucned the mkii version.
You basically won the chink lottery or don't use them enough.

>>62355467
Mine snapped after less than a month.

>>62354670
dont forget this one!

https://youtu.be/pzyMlJ6cERg?t=5m56s

I have used Etymotic too much and now my ear is clogged with earwax.

Any good homemade method to dissolve it? The pharmacy thing is ridiculously expensive and expires in like one week so it won't even last.

>>62355859
Go to a doctor to have it removed
You shouldn't fuck around when it's about your ears or your eyes

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>>62354611
HD600, which is better than HD650 because it is more accurate.
>K712
K712 sounds like welfare babies and menthol cigarettes. Pic related.

>>62355859
Hydrogen peroxide to dissolve it, earwax removal syringe to get it out once it's dissolved. I speak from experience. This will work and it will not injure you.

>>62354796
Neutral sound signatures like the HD600's are the best sound signatures for all uses. Pay no attention to anyone who insists that different sound signatures are better for different uses as they are sorely lacking in audio knowledge.

>>62355950
it's just earwax, it's not like there's any inflammation or pain

guess it's pretty common for IEM users. so I headed over here for a remedy

>>62356025
sounds painful since I might have some irritation there, will try tomorrow if it persists, thanks

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>>62354796
hd600 has too little bass for gaming, wait till next month and buy the monolith m565 ($200) when it releases

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>>62356177
>hd600 has too little bass for gaming
This is incorrect. Pic related.
>Monoprice
It'll break within a few months. Guaranteed.

>>62356211
>excellent bass extension
hahahahaha

>>62356177
>I have no idea what I'm talking about because I have never heard either headphone I'm discussing and am incapable of properly interpreting headphone measurements, so I'll incorrectly tell anon HD600 doesn't have enough bass for gaming while recommending poorly-made Chinkshit with literally measurably less bass than the HD600

>>62356211
you should show the raw data as it show the differences more clrearly, here's a comparison between hd600 and he-400:http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID%5B0%5D=573&graphID%5B1%5D=3651&graphID%5B2%5D=&graphID%5B3%5D=&scale=30&graphType=-2&buttonSelection=Update+Graph

>>62356353
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
try harder next time

>>62356464
The HE400 isn't made anymore and from the graph it looks like a shit headphone anyways, far inferior to its successor (400i).

>>62356818
site didn't have he-400i data, but as you said, he-400i is even better and is currently cheaper than the hd600
if you want headphones for anything other than just music with little bass the he-400i or 400s are the obvious choice

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>>62356960
Good luck not getting a nobass version, seems like it's half and half these days.

>look at replacement HD650 cable review on Amazon
>"Great sound from this cable!" x4

are these people serious?

>>62357150
about as serious as people who think the hd600/650 are the be all end all headphones.. so yes, very serious

>>62357252
What's the be all end all headphone then?

>>62357338
Apple Earbuds with Lightning connector

>>62357338
burden of proof falls on people calling the hd600 that, not me. hell, you can take an hd800, mod out the 7khz resonance, and eq to be an hd600 and it will perform better in every single way possible. why is the hd600 any good at all besides price per performance? which isn't that very good anyways because you need an amp

>>62357396
>retarded memes that require not only EQ but mods
Yeah, thought so, placebo faggot audiophool. Kill yourself.
>>62357395
This is actually worth looking into, thanks.

>>62357425
stax will shit on your hd600 in every way possible without mods

>>62357396
>because you need an amp
HD600 are relatively easy to drive. Anyone who is at least half serious about audio will get some half-decent source anyway, so how does that even matter?
HD600 are obviously overshilled here, but it's a fact that they are probably the best value midfi headphones around.

>>62357453
Stax are gay looking shit that belong in the 60s dumb fucking weeb. Anyways, I need some USB C headphones, can anyone recommend?

>>62343513
>to whomever asked
That should be 'whoever'. In this sentence, the person who asked is the subject, not the object. 'Whomever' is the objective case of 'whoever'. You wouldn't say 'him who asked', nor 'him asked for a suggestion', because the person asking is the subject, not the object.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercorrection

>>62357484
>HD600 are relatively easy to drive.
you need an amp.
>so how does that even matter?
because headphones like the elear exist that are sensitive enough to be ran without an amp
>but it's a fact that they are probably the best value midfi headphones around.
so like I said, the only thing they have going for them is price per performance, gotcha

are the hifiman he-6 discontinued?

>>62357548
>the only thing it has going for it is price/performance ratio
Isn't that what matters? Or do you actually feel like spending several hundred dollars more for minimal improvements that are mainly emphasized through placebo

>>62357651
>Isn't that what matters?
are we really going to argue whether price per performance is better than peak performance? obviously that depends on someone's income and what they value greater

>>62356464
That's a poorly sealed and thus invalid HD600 measurement.

>>62357396
HD600 has the best sounding tonality of any full sized headphone at any price. Yes, EQ renders this a moot point for those willing and smart enough to put the considerable time and effort into learning how to properly EQ, but not everybody has the time, willingness and/or intelligence to do so. HD600 is the best possible headphone for those who do not wish to bother with EQ.

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>the HD600 were first introduced in 1994 as the HD580
>it is 23 years later
>they are still the best full-sized headphones in the world at any price
Why?

>>62358104
>HD600 has the best sounding tonality of any full sized headphone at any price.
oh I'm sure you've heard headphones like the lcd-4, the sr-009, the eikon, the orpheus, the abyss, and many many more headphones to verify your claim that the hd600 has the very best tonality headphones can offer

>>62358133
Cuz no one bothers to build an headphone with good sub bass without "fuck you" treble for 300€

>>62354191
>Tyll's HD600 measurement is poorly sealed though, and thus an invalid comparison.
First, you compare measurements of 2 headphones from the same source since all of them have their differences, second got any proofs that Tyll's HD600 measurements are poorly sealed and it's not the problem with golden ears measurements?

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How long did it take you to realize that the Apple In-Ears are the best IEMs ever?

>>62358523
Sub bass isn't that important desu, I feel that the biggest weakness of the HD600 is the midbass hump and forward upper mids/lower treble.

>>62354611
>>62354666
Good amp, I had one but returned because I didn't like how vocals sounded, 'dry', plus I had to stop headphones for hearing concerns. Still it was a decent dac/amp vs my macbook and made HD600 much better, esp in bass as it wasn't as loose as on my macbook. HD600/650 It will do good for your music genres esp for jazz and soul because they excel at vocals and cymbals sound just right on them. Their only weakness is sub bass in bass heavy electronic music, there they fail quite hard. HD650 has bit more sub bass, it helps a bit but not enough where it matters, also less treble which would come down to personal preference but they also cost almost 100$ more on average which doesn't make sense so I would go with HD600. K712 is fun but I would suggest HD6xx over them because later is much more neutral, K712 can be a great 2nd pair for fun tho. Also comfort is decent but if you have big ears pads would be a bit too small and they grip quite some initially, not a problem for me but you can extend them completely and then place over couple of books or something, build quality doesn't feel stellar but it's good enough and they won't break any time soon.

>>62359262
isn't hd650 the same as the hd6xx?

>>62358687
For bass heavy electronic HD600 lack of sub bass clearly shows up, rest can be EQ'd down but if you try do do it with sub bass it turns to muddy poop while literally everything else is good. Sennheiser been updating 5xx line lately a lot, I wonder if they do some shit like HD590 with better sub bass and better overall clarity, but it would probably cannibalise their high end headphones and they still can unfuck HD700 into HD750 and sell it for 500$, they are still not as good as HD800 after EQ tho.

>>62359329
They are, literally. If there is HD6xx drop going on right now then you can get them and it will be a steal, you can EQ up treble anyway.

>>62358637

say what ? earpods have muddy pappery mids and no subbass

didnt you know applel can into acoustics because they are getting cucked with all the modern headphone design patents... that side firing reflex is all about stepping around them

>>62359417
earpods =/= apple in-ears
everybody knows their earbuds suck
retard

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For a canadian who wanted to get fostex for a retarded price, mASSdrop for TH00 is active now get er bass canons for 400-500$.

>>62359352
>they are still not as good as HD800 after EQ tho
the hd600s need to be eq'd to be neutral anyways

Audio-Technica ATH-M40x

Would these be a mistake for 99 dollars?

Long use times are needed and I wanted something with a removable cable because I've found noise gets introduced a lot from the cables wearing out over time or just being shitty in previous headphones. But I've not really had much of nice ones before, trying another brand currently that has its upsides, but they require charging and the usb cable introduces a hum that gets on my nerves a bit.


>>62343657
I thought I had done everything in that game, but fuck me didn't know that worked.

>>62359461
Mahogany and Ebony's the only ones worth getting since PurpleHearts suck dick.

How's the bass on the LSR305? I like my speakers to have a bit of thump but I don't want a sub in fear of killing my HDDs
My current speakers are Edifier R1700BT and they have a good amount of bass when turned all the way to the right

>>62360332
you can easily build a platform to isolate the sub from the floor and stop it from vibrating too much
in any case unless it's a BIG FUCKING SUB it won't vibrate the floor enough to damage your HDD

>>62360641
I live with others so I don't want anything extreme, I just like to have a decent bass response
The problem is my PC is right where the sub would go
I think it would just be easier of the speakers themselves had decent lowend

>>62360685
then either the LSR305 or the vanatoo t1

>>62360726
Alright thankyou, I'll take a look

What are good sub-50 dollar earbuds? Gonna be using them on my commutes. IEMs hurt my ears so earbuds are my best option

>>62360912
VE Monk Plus. Also, KSC75 although they're not quite earbuds.

>>62360930
Anything better than that? I know they're dirt cheap (250 Pesos or 5 Burgerbucks) but are there anything else?

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hmm

I bought the ATH-M50x headphones basically at random a year ago but now that I'm doing research into what makes good headphones it seems like these are actually pretty good. Did I luck out?

>>62361067
what the fuck

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>>62361067
>>62361077
Wrong graph.
This one measures better how accurate the M50x are.

>>62360039
Purplehearts are the best of the three though
>muh neutrality
V shaped sounds the best as long as its not overdone and no matter how much senshills argue about it it will always be true.

>>62361099
v-shape is for plebs, mids is where it's at

>>62361110
Read the post again.
>no matter how much senshills argue about it it will always be true

>>62361131
>enjoying mids makes you a sennshill
too much mud in your head

>>62361094
Alright, Jelly#7879. That's enough shitposting for today. You gotta go to sleep for school tomorrow.

>>62361167
sennshills like their mids without any soundstage or subbass capability

how do you feel about those two, anon?

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>>62361196
I've posted multiple times about how I enjoy the HE400i's sound more than my HD600's due to the sub-bass and better soundstage

>>62354611
K712/XX is an excellent headphone, as you will hear from anyone who has heard them.
The retards here talking about nigger-bass have never used them and masturbate over frequency response graphs as if that enterally dictates what a set of cans sound like. They don't sound that different from the other K7s in reality.

It does depend on what you want to listen to, however. Female vocals just sound sibilant on the AKG headphones, while the HD600 brings them out beautifully, for example.
We can help you a lot more if you outline what you like.

>>62358133
>they are still the best full-sized headphones in the world at any price.
List of headphones better than the HD600s:
HD800S
HD800
HE 1
HE1000 V2
SUSVARA
SHANGRI-LA
Edition X V2
SR-L700
SR-007MK2
SR-009
Utopia
Elear
LCD-X
MDR-Z1R
AB-1266
C FLOW

Maybe when you get a real job you'll be able to get out of the mid-fi hell kid.

>>62361250
you're alright anon

>>62361196
>without any soundstage
Not entirely a bad thing for music

>no sub bass
Not a big deal if you don't listen to dubstep and hip hop 24/7. And you can simply complement them with bassy headphones

>>62361291
and like clockwork the sennshill appears to defend his flawed headphone

>>62361291
>without any soundstage
>Not entirely a bad thing for music
Depends on who you ask and what they listen to, my HD 800S sound phenomenal when listening to good recordings of live concerts, it almost sounds like I'm in the room

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>>62361308
then tell me why i'm wrong

>flawed
i never said they weren't flawed. no headphone is, which is why it's nice to complement them.

>>62361331
orchestras, not concerts

>>62361351
>then tell me why i'm wrong
because there are so many headphones that can do what the hd600 does much better while also having subbass and soundstage

see >>62361265

>no headphone is flawed
yes but the flaws that TOTL's are so much more minor than what midfi and the hd600's flaws are that it's not even comparable

>>62361391
>no headphone is not flawed*

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ATH-M40x

Good for the money at 100 bucks?

>>62361499
Yeah they're not too bad

What are your opinions on the hifiman edition x v2, I've been thinking on buying them to replace my hd650

>>62361264
>K712/XX is an excellent headphone
t.DelVonte

Speaking of the K series, I could sleep on those 65th annie pads
They're the best thing that has ever touched my head

>>62344112
>bass heavy, bright and other signatures
>no Beyerdynamic for some reason

>>62357548
>you need an amp.
Spoken like a non HD600 owner.

>>62361791
if you're gonna put beyerdynamic on the list then you might as well put ultrasone on there too

>>62361796
I don't but my buddy does and I've lent him amps to use with his HD600. Why would I ever own one?

>>62355355
V6.

>>62361265
You forgot to list the prices, and what they supposedly do better :^)
Actually, for most of these, they might do one thing better but are actually less well-balanced overall, due to other flaws.

>>62361791
>no Beyerdynamic
That's how you know the person who made that site is a well-learned patrician.

>>62361513
Good for extended use?

I'm looking to replace some bluetooth ones because when their battery gets low and I have to plug in the USB to charge it gets interference from the cable. And both the charging and aux cables are aggressively short adn replacing them would put them in the price range of the M40x so figured fuck it why not get the M40x instead. Unless there is something else as ggood and comfy in that price range.

>>62361848
>they might do one thing better but are actually less well-balanced overall,
you are delusional

>>62361875
>Good for extended use?
No, stock comfort is average. You need to change the pads out. CB-1 is more comfortable, but has lesser build, so it's not a good portable

It turns out the Sennheiser veil rots your brain as well.

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>>62361932
You're the one with mentally ill delusions here.
Just admit you're wrong and move on.

>>62361929
Looking to use these at my desk, but may often take them to work since my work is noisy my shitty earbuds aren't doing it. But mostly because a family member works from home and I like metal and those two things don't work well together.

Tried Cowin E7 for giggles, but they wear on me after awhile. Isolation was great, but I could definitely pick up some hum with any cable plugged in, which gets annoying. Getting better cables is pointless since I may as well just spend the difference on better headphones.

>>62361929
>>62362044
Sorry guess I'm just asking whats the best bang for buck for hundredish bucks. I can deal with less portable for balanced sound and decent isolation. Definitely want to stick with a changeable cord too given my desk area.

>Budget
$130 hard limit
>Location
The US of A
>Source
My galaxy note 4 mostly,sometimes PC,3Ds(soon) or NSwitch(soon)
>Type of headphone
Preferably IEM but I could settle for full
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Very, but I could deal with slightly uncomfortable ones

>>62362201
>whats the best bang for buck for hundredish bucks
you can buy a pistol and shoot yourself in the head

>>62362337
GR07 Classic

>>62362341
Could you give me a demonstration?

>>62344112
Stop shilling your barren shitsite for amazon referrals

>>62354873
If you want planar, there is a company that has been making them for 56 years whose earliest models still continue to work and are available second hand. No need take the lamented path of Chinkfiman and Pajeetze.

>>62354973
i demoed r70x versus hd600/650 and i bought the r70x. they sounded better to me, and i really prefer the "winged" headband to the sennheiser clamp

i wouldn't worry about the impedance, they're efficient. if you have any vaguely normal amp you should not have a problem with volume

>>62362742
I sure as hell can't find any of that in my country.
Also the damage was from physical contact.

so why do you autists obsess over frequency response, neutrality, and objective measurements in headphones when your average pair of earbuds or iems have much flatter frequency response and lower thd than just about every full sized headphone on the market including the sacred sennheiser hd600?

>>62362866
kys

>>62354973
HD600. r70x would be comparable if it had some bass. It has much weaker bass. This is a common issue throughout audio-technica's open line.
>>62362752
pic+timestamp

>>62362878
before I do that, answer my question please? I'm genuinely curious about the obsession over objective measurements when most in ear/earbuds measure better than a full sized headphone in every objective catagory.

>>62362890
it's funny because the hd600 has no soundstage, so you might as well just buy an IEM

>>62362905
that's what I was considering. I was going to buy a set of headphones but it seems like everywhere I look IEMs and earbuds just measure so much better, even better than the extremely high end shit like planar magnetic and electrostatics.

Seems like most headphones are snakeoil, especially the hd600 that are shilled here often.

>>62362890
They typically have a bass mountain and a 10 kHz spike but some models are good. There is also insertion requirements which is a considerable limitation.

>>62362935
that's why you use an iem for a daily driver, unless you need to scratch a bass or soundstage itch, then you get a fostex variant (th-x00, teak, etc) or a hd800 for soundstage.

>>62362956
but soundstage isn't objectively measurable and is basically an audiophool meme. Why would I spend hundreds of dollars so that things will sound wider?

>>62362979
you don't need to, I said only if you need to scratch an itch. if you are happy with the width of an iem then stick with iems

>>62362979
yes it is, it is just frequencies 3-8 kHz.

>>62362979
I am comparing right now

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/sony-livesound-mh1-mh1c.html

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/stax-sr-207-back-to-basic.html

The MH1 is indeed a fantastic IEM, but listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5DgKda0614 there is clearly an inadequacy with the Sony that would disendear uncommitted listeners to genres like jazz. I don't believe it is frequency response related.

>>62363225
Yes, my evaluation is unmistakable. Both of these devices are full frequency response without major peaks.

The Stax makes it clear exactly why men would play this music. My body is humming along with the music and my eyes unfocus. I feel fantastic listening to this.

The Sony sounds like confused builders being paid, and the music sounds anachronistic. Police would disband this if it were played live. I want to switch over to my Feint tab in Audacious.

>>62363325
pic + timestamp

>>62363596
just cut off the cables and then use them as a nighttime aid, that's what I did

>>62363596
>not doing iso dates

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>>62363596
I had a MH1 for a short while too. It would've been one of the comfiest IEM ever if it wasn't for the cables. The v-shaped sound was pretty good.

Poorfag setup featuring faulty everything except the laptop.

>>62363634
They fall out. I keep them around for the height of summer when circumaurals / 30 W class A amp can't be used.

How do I group sound signatures?

Analytic, Balanced, Bass-heavy, Mids-heavy?

>>62363960
Bassy, Bright, Neutral, V-Shaped, Dark, Warm

>>62364053
So,
Neutral - V-shaped
Bright - Dark
Warm - Cold
Bassy - ???

I think you are complecting sound signature and frequency response.

>>62363960
You should give estimates for freq, dB, and Q for features in the headphone's response.

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Did you know that the HD 600 and the HE400i have identical bass response and the HD 600 behaves a lot better on the treble?

>>62364154

Trying to keep it simple.

>>62364176
>rtings

>>62362935
>earbuds just measure so much better
That's because of bad seals on the headphones

Any thoughts on the KZ ZST5 with the bt cable? Just ordered them.

>>62362979
Headphone don't have soundstage, not any more than IEMs do. Soundstage doesn't really exist, merely a derived perception of sound source. The perception is not the same thing as an aural only model of binaural hearing.
As it is, you can control the sound stimulus by equalizing in the "soundstage" into any headphone or in-ear.

>>62363325
>Both of these devices are full frequency response without major peaks.
MH1 and Stax? Their most salient characteristic are their bass and treble peaks respectively.

>>62362944
>a 10 kHz spike
>There is also insertion requirements which is a considerable limitation.
These are almost always one and the same

>>62366018
>soundstage isn't real!!!
Oh God this shitposter is back.

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How should I EQ my 650s? The driver mismatch doesn't help. One goes up there other goes down after 5KHz

>beoplay h6
>Ath msr7
>NAD hp50
>$250 iem
which would be best for vocal trance music

>>62366049
I don't think you get what I said. Soundstage exists as a subjective experience. But not outside of that.
There is nothing in the two audio signals being fed into the brain that you can point to and declare as soundstage. You can look for correlation metrics between the two channels and delayed reverb, parallax, and spectral shift. You can build a robot model that attempts to use this information and compare it to subjective tests involving human listeners.
But this will not be much like the human ear-brain combination, because the brain uses feedback from other senses as well prior knowledge about the sound.

>>62366095
Remove midbass bump if you don't care for it.. You would have had to figure out the treble on your own anyway. The general idea is to smooth out the transition from 5-10kHz, which will be filled with dips and/or peaks.
Measurement error is large enough for high frequencies that some mismatch may be expected.
Some other references:
>https://clarityfidelity.blogspot.com/2016/01/sennheiser-hd-650-headphone.html?q=sennheiser
>https://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/08/sennheiser-hd650.html

>>62366369
Whatever sounds best to you. What kind of question is this?
The content of the music is too loosely associated with genre.

>>62366584
>There is nothing in the two audio signals being fed into the brain that you can point to and declare as soundstage.

Nothing that has been commonly measured as of yet, excluding rtings' work on the subject. Not commonly measured does not mean not real or not measurable. It is up to you to prove that it is somehow impossible to measure soundstage, something which we both know you can't do.

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Rate my purchase. I also saw some reduced hd650 at the store but I don't want that meme.

>>62367264
>no memes
>steve jobs
>koss iems

>>62367013
>impossible to measure soundstage
That would be confusing objective and subjective qualities. Soundstage is the sense experience, subjective by definition. Short of picking apart the brain with neural probes or looking via activity maps, which we cannot usually do.
We already do know about feedback from other senses, and we know that they are blended together with hearing. This has stymied researchers time and again in the past, as well as requiring double blind trials at the bare minimum for everything.

>rtings' work
PRTF? Looks for errors that are visible to everyone, the standard frequency response measurement that is equalization adjustable. It's just looking for magnitude response error, which we already knew as a part of the head transfer function used to break the "cone of confusion". May as well respin the measurement to indicate magnitude of deviation from target.

>Nothing that has been commonly measured as of yet
In a monoaural signal:
-Spectrum amplitude and notches
-Allpass phase, mainly from correlated echoes
Binaural signal:
-Level match over the spectrum
-Non-minimum phase mismatch

If you want to look for stimuli as they relate to headphones:
-Crosstalk factor between open headphone channels is low compared to detection thresholds. Enables effective binaural listening
-Headphones stick too closely to minimum phase factor. The time response is almost totally defined by the magnitude of the frequency response.
-As corollary, reverberation has been shown to be practically negligible in time-frequency analysis; any echoes would be limited to sub-millisecond range and must contend with initial sound window. Phase shift studies over headphones suggest the condition is audibly anechoic, or very close
-We already know that equalization of magnitude affects perception for sound source location

>>62364176
did you know rtings considers the Beyerdynamic DT 990 a better headphone than the hd600?

>>62355048
My R70X works with the amp and DAC included in the creative soundblaster Z. If I listen to music I usually use about 90%/100% volume on youtube or WMP and less than 20% volume on windows. Is there a reason to get a "good" DAC? If the SNR of the DAC is low, which is pretty much any DAC these days then what's the point of getting a high end one?

Best earphones? Possibly with the mic for phone use

>>62366584
Well I can't listen to them as I don't own them. It's a compare and contrast question

>>62367951
>rtings

lmao

>>62368021
zs5 with mic. zs6 is practically out so you might as well get that if you don't mind spending a little extra.

I'm buying the m1060 over the hd600. I'll make sure to report everything that's wrong with it so you guys can ridicule me

>>62368217
Big mistake. Don't listen to that tripfag.

>>62368276
Sound stage and colored response plus a good warranty. If they're shit I'll just return them. I'll probably get a hd600 at a later date. You guys will get to watch my mistake unfold live in the second week of October

>>62368276
Im guessing you've heard a modded m1060? oh.... you haven't? oh.

shut the fuck up faggot

>>62368367
>being this mad over a monoprice headphone

LMAO

>>62368344
Fair enough lad

>>62368469
I don't care about monoprice, but stop reccing headphones just because the only one you've heard is the hd600

>>62368491
I have heard many, and I'd put money on the fact that the 600 is better than that thing.

>Closed, currently using K550 which are "closed back but sound like open", so I'm guessing I just hate open sound when even my $10 IEMs have better sound
>$100 at absolute most, preferrably much cheaper because i know they'll break in a year anyway, don't argue about it

>>62367264
>the plug

>>62368367
Have you? Can you explain the sound?

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Friend sent me this over recently https://steelseries.com/gaming-headsets/arctis-5
What kind of sound quality can be expected from "gaming" headphones?

>>62369183
10/10 post. I haven't claimed shit so there's nothing for me to prove. null hypothesis
>>62368678
so you don't know and haven't heard, okay

>>62369209
I don't know but I know. Nothing near the price range of the 600 has been as good for the last 20 years. I highly doubt that monoprice are the one to break that spell.

>>62369192
>What kind of sound quality can be expected from "gaming" headphones?
About as good as M1060, so complete dogshit.

The M1060 has been described as having an unrefined sound. I wonder what kind of R&D went into it or if they just slapped some components together and tried to make an LCD2

>>62369300
They instructed a bunch of 5 year old Chinese to copy the LCD2 or they wouldn't get their daily bowl of rice.

>>62369283
>Nothing near the price range of the 600
why would you buy an hd600 at any price when it has shit subbass and soundstage

>Monoprice
It'll break in two months, guaranteed.

>>62369209
What the fuck are you talking about? I just wanted to know how they sound with mods

>>62369413 new thread

>>62369358
Why would you come here and post the same shit every single fucking day?

I use an eq to add a small amount of subbass, they don't need it but I prefer it. A wide soundstage is nice to have, but it doesn't even factor in when the headphone in question sounds so fucking accurate and enjoyable. The 702 for example have great soundstage compared to the 600, but that doesn't mean shit when the headphone clearly sounds worse than another.

>>62369403
> I just wanted to know how they sound with mods
sorry anon, it was hard to tell for me if you were challenging me or honestly asking my opinion, but I honestly don't have one to give you because I haven't heard them. Apparently they sound pretty great though, not as good as an LCD-2 but close. Lcd-2 can be pretty boring though without an EQ

>>62369427
So you haven't even heard the monomemes yourself? wtf m8

>>62369296
Okay. Anyway, how do i learn to recognize the quality in audio products?

>>62369416
>Why would you come here and post the same shit every single fucking day
oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was okay to post every day about the hd600 about how great it is, but not how shit it is if you like subbass and soundstage
>>62369453
so you haven't heard the m1060 but you ALSO haven't heard about the null hypothesis

>>62369427
Do you know if there are any alternatives to the audeze pads for them? Reading up on mods now

>>62369490
the audeze pads are one of a kind, they seal the best of any headphone pad, are pillowlike, and have leather that smells like actual leather no matter how long you have it for

>>62369489
I rarely come here, and whenever I do you are here talking about how the 600 lacks soundstage and bass. It's clearly you, one guy, and it's fucking weird.

So you haven't even heard the headphone that you're bragging about. Fucking hell you're a weird one.

>>62369530
>So you haven't even heard the headphone that you're bragging about
when have I bragged about it? the only thing I know is that reviewers and people who have modded say it sounds close to an lcd-2. that's not my opinion. do you literally not understand the null hypothesis? did you flunk out of science class in middle school?
>Fucking hell you're a weird one.
you haven't been here long enough then if you think that

>>62369559
I have been here for a very long time, and it's gone downhill recently because of people like you. You don't even own that headphone. What is it? is it the fact that an affordable headphone might be better than the 600? is that it?

You are absolutely obsessed with the 600 and it's hilarious.

>>62369461
Anything gaming marketed is usually dogshit. What's your budget? Tonal sound preference (Bassy, bright, neutral, dark, etc)? Open or closed back (Open leaks in any noise and leaks out whatever you're doing though it's never too bad.)?

>>62369513
Thanks if I like the m1060 I'll buy them and all the fabrics and better cables and shit. I love EQ and modding so this sounds awesome. I found measurements here. https://m.imgur.com/a/7glVu
So excited to get them. Thinking about buying a nfb 11 too but I could get a hd600 for that price.

>>62369584
>I have been here for a very long time
so then you should know how the hd600s have been blindly shilled for the past few years
>it's gone downhill recently because of people like you
what, because I reject having an opinion on a phone I haven't heard?
> You don't even own that headphone
yes, so I don't have an opinion. I don't know if it is better than the hd600. I don't know if it is worse than the hd600. is that too hard for you to understand?

>>62369659
ok lol

>>62344112
>no actual criteria for featured headphones