Why are shitty fucking IPS monitors the norm nowadays? They

nah, we both know IPS is superior
better color accuracy, better viewing angles

>>62299403
>Set ISO super high

>set exposure time high too

>pretends that is what your eyes see

>>62299419
The pic is obviously exaggerated but IPS has shittier black levels, this is a fact.

>>62299403
Just stick with gayming TN dispays if this bothers you.

Why hasn't oled took off yet

>>62299403
IPS is for normies in well lit office environments where diffuse ambient glare completely overwhelms cell light leakage, and angle-independent color consistency is a better experiential factor than pixel transition times.

VA is for cave dwelling video watchers, and TN is for CSGO-loving /v/ children.

No panel type is perfect, so you have to pick your tradeoffs.

Because shitty IPS is cheap.
Get a good IPS, they're actually used by designers etc

>every single monitor has either shit blacks or shit response rates and no one is pushing for something better
just bring CRTs back

>2017
>still not using 1.07 color monitor

I noticed that color accuracy isn't really needed as long as you aren't an artist. My old dell 2707wfp has horrible backlight bleeding nowadays and everything is more orange than it should be. But as soon as i sit there looking at it for ten minutes everything appears like it should again. Strange magic eye fuckery is going here because when i looked at my tablet or phone for a while then the dell has horrible colors for ten minutes the next time i look at it.

>>62299557
Fucking this. I have a couple of HP IPS panels and they look fantastic. Stop buying cheap chink shit and thinking that is the standard for everything else.

VA seems like a good middle ground but I can't find any info about it at all, just a few articles listing horribly overpriced gayming 144hz VA monitors, where are the affordable ones?

>>62299544
is that the one that burns images into the screen like a 2001 plasma shitbrick

>>62299564
Enjoy your sub-30" displays that have near-cubic weight growth with diagonal size and where screen geometry distorts when you rotate the display, etc.

I miss some things about CRTs, but I'll never regret leaving behind flakey geometry, pixel crawl, trinitron damping wire shadows, and slight blur at any resolution.

> still praying for 240 Hz 8k QD-LED to save us all and end these bullshit arguments.

Gaming monitors never use IPS cheap ones are worse than a TN which is faster with 1ms response time.

>>62299564
I'll wait for oleds to become cheaper.

>>62299913
They do in fact make gaming monitors with IPS panels, many of the ROG branded panels are IPS.

>>62299950
How about waiting for OLED that doesn't suffer yellowing and burn-in from horribly deficient blue subpixel half-life?

https://www.philips.com.au/c-p/243V5QHABA_75/lcd-monitor-with-smartcontrol-lite/overview
Is this monitor any good? I don't care about the shit like speakers and software but the deep blacks of the MVA panel interest me.
What are some good VA alternatives? I'm having a hard time finding many of them.
Is VA even worth it?

>>62299418
>better viewing angles
I'm the only one that looks at the screen. Why the fuck would I need that?

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Fucking RIP SED. Fucking yellow jews fucking up everything.

>>62299419
>set iso high
>not having a tripod
>not exposing to 30 seconds

>>62299950
they won't.

>>62299403
Whats a good laptop that you can ((((GAME)))) on but has a display good enough to do design on?

>>62300241
>microscopic CRT in a flat panel
THAT COULD BE MARVELLOUS.

>tfw have oled tablet/laptop
>tfw enjoy true blacks
The only problem is the dongle situation.

>>62300299
It's a damn patent lawsuit that killed it because Canon was dumb enough not to patent the nano-beams despite working on them since the eighties. I wonder if this technology will ever come back when the patents fall into the public domain...

>>62300378
nobody would invest in a public domain technology
especially if you're an asian company where everybody can copy you in less than a week

>>62300278
ThinkPad X1 Yoga with the OLED option.

>>62299403
They're both shit. Buy VA if you need to buy LCD.

Seems like ips better for close range like laptop. No high end tv's use ips

>>62299403
maybe pic related is reflective of shitty Korea reject panels, but if you buy from a real manufacturer, the very slightly noticeable effect is overshadowed by the far greater color accuracy and depth.

>>62300689
I have a TN panel and the black levels are pathetic compared to CRT, it actively annoys me.
IPS is even worse.

>>62300241
> threadly reminder that SED/FED were never gonna happen due to fundamental materials and manufacturability challenges, and that the patent spat was a smokescreen to keep the possibility of future investor open.
> reminder that any material that can be cheaply etched into micro/nano emitting tips also erodes more easily from stray ions in an imperfect vacuum
> reminder that phosphor molecule diffusion under normal usage ruins even a perfect initial vacuum
> and eroded emitter material causes cascading subpixel death across the entire panel
> tfw SED/FED make OLED look rock solid in comparison

Of course all the companies were yellow Jews, but just not in the way you think.

>>62300713
I have a TN secondary monitor and an IPS main. looks almost identical in terms of blacks, but colors look far more vibrant on the IPS

>>62300790
I guess you just have no standards then, both TN and IPS are terrible.

>>62300863
What would you choose for a monitor then? If you say OLED, we're fucked because they are either super expensive or there's simply no OLED monitors.

>>62300887
VA

why do others not make their ips like apple, keeping them glossy, while still reducing reflections, perfect viewing angles, great black levels. I haven't seen a monitor yet that is even close to my macbook in quality.

>>62300170
Old news, gramps

>>62299403
>muh colors

Do VA panels typically still have a horrible input lag? TN and IPS both seem to manage <16 ms these days, but places like TFT are oddly quiet or only have very old information.

>>62300235
To better view your screen at an angle perhaps?

>>62301172
BenQ sells high-end gaming VA monitors so I guess they got it right, I don't know about other brands.

>>62301172
Dell S2440L is p good

>>62301308
Do you have one? How's the ghosting/lag? It's impossible to find any objective info about monitors.

>>62301319
I only notice ghosting when I have something REALLY fast and SUPER high contrast going across the screen, but it's not really that terrible (most of the time I DON'T notice it, and I'm super nitpicky about those kinds of things.) I've never noticed any perceptible lag and my friends can play competitive Smash on it just fine, so take that as you will. The only big negative is it being glossy bc of the glass panel, but as long as there aren't any direct sources of light right behind you it's not too bad. And a big plus for me was it having a 3.5mm output, which is important for me considering the consoles I have going to it thru an HDMI splitter so that can just go straight to my amp.

i hope you can find one for a good price tho, it is discontinued and has been for awhile.

>>62301319
Yes I have one

I'm not telling you about it because you're objectively gay

How about that?

>>62299403
You can literally see the shaking from how high he set the exposure. He couldn't even be bothered to use a tripod.

>>62299403
>direct downgrade over TN.
No. VA is rare and OLED is tood expensive

>>62300235
Because TN's viewing angles are so horrible that once you get to 28" or so, even sitting directly in front of it from a normal desk-based distance results in shifting towards the edges of your vision.

>>62301378
>using an amp

Does Tyrone let you suck him off too after he's done with your wife?

>>62299403
>downgrade over TN.

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>>62301451
..i have an amp because the monitor has no volume control

>>62301446
Not every TN panel is equal. Some of them have decent viewing angles, others seem to have none, and you can just pick an angle where colors look the way you want them to.

I've seen a shitty Philips monitor that was like 22 inches which had the problem you described.

>>62301476
>Philips
>Shit

Fuck off mactoddler.

>>>/Reddit/

>>62300235
So that colors don't shift and yiurmonitor won't look like shit at any slightly off angle. Ever notice how colors sometimes don't look "clean" on a TN? That's your eyes each seeing differently shifted colors.

IPS panels can be made vertical without sacrificing clean colors at all. They really are a lot nicer. VA panels don't have quite as high viewing angles as IPS, but still a lot better than TN and better colors than TN.

>>62301476
>Some of them have decent viewing angles

No, they don't. """""Decent""""" by TN standards is still utter shit compared to the bargain basement of any other panel type. I fell for the "TN is so much better now" meme last year and bought a high end Asus 4K TN screen to try it out, and the viewing angles were still shit. It looked pretty good during gay men, but was insufferable for desktop use and went back.

IPS is garbage too for different reasons (many due to shoddy QC), but it's still far preferable to TN, unless all you do is play gaymes all day. VA might as well not exist, since the only monitors it gets used in these days are ultrawides, and that's a meme too far.

>>62299403
HAHAHAHAHAHA

My MacBook Pro 15 inch touchbar has a perfect screen. None of your shitty ThinkPad light bleed trash. It rusn circles around this trash. My screen is flawless, eat my ass.

>>62299439
just wait for SED technology

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>>62299564
>still falling for the crts have good blacks meme

>>62301595
I have a CRT and can tell you the blacks are far better, it does have a lot of other problems though and wouldn't use it over LCD even though I miss the blacks.

>>62299403
>2 seconds exposition time
>HAHAHA THIS IS BLACK ACCORDING TO IPS FAGS xDD

Not our fault you're having trouble enjoying your poorshit TN panel for what it is, stop rationalizing your purchase.

What size was the one you didn't like? My 24" TN is great, 170° vertical and 180° horizontal viewing angles.

>>62301616
i have multiple crts and you're wrong. you are confusing contrast with black levels. just look at that picture. that grey is the darkest black the fw900 can do, and it has a relatively dark shadow mask/anti-glare coating compared to most crts. the shadow mask doesn't just magically become darker when you switch it on you know.

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>>62301711
easily fixed if you are willing to sacrifice a little constrast

>>62301711
You have some shit CRTs then because mine has very deep blacks.

>>62301739
no it doesn't. turn the monitor off and look at the screen. that is the deepest black it can produce. like i said, you are confusing contrast with black levels.

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>>62301739
>>62301711
>>62301765
oh look at what I found, an actual CRT monitor with actual blacks.
Stop being an idiot now.

>>62301765
>my CRT is garbage so they all are

Kill yourself my good man. :)

>>62301780
but anon, i'm not poor enough to not have lighting

>>62301780
the lighting condition you use it in will affect the black levels of the crt. in a normally lit room a crt will usually not have better black levels than an lcd.

>>62301787
post the model number of your crt.

the cheap ass 6 bit ips monitors are shit

but a proper ips monitor is great for anything besides gaymen

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>tfw old games are practically unplayable in LCD because the devs were used to monitors having actual black back then

>>62299403
>They are a direct downgrade over TN.
You are either a retard, offspring of siblings, fell from a crib, normie or all of the above

>>62299783
hard to find an affordable one since it is mostly a panel used on gamer shit. Still a good IPS panel beats the shit out of a VA one, it will always have better color reproduction.

>>62299403
everyone fell for the ips is always better meme

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>>62301821
>if you light up the room and introduce glare then the difference is not noticeable!

>>62301881
it's not glare. the shadow mask of the crt just becomes visible and you are able to see that it's grey and not black, something that you are obviously unable to do in an unlit room where even white objects will appear black.

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Because of OEM's purchasing parts from cheaper manufacturers. The technology is there and readily available, it's just nobody wants to incur the costs because the market is already to saturated to make any profit from higher prices. If you build a perfect 2560x1440p IPS panel and put it into a monitor and sell it for $600 for example, you're going to be losing a lot of potential money. Manufacturers don't look at the costs of manufacturing X for Y amount with potential profits; they instead look at the cost of manufacturing X compared to Z. If Z is cheaper (even if inferior) they will manufacture that instead. A $400 IPS screen will always outsell a $600 IPS screen.

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>>62299403
The top is my Dell u3415w ultrameme monitor and it look pretty bad irl when the brightness at about 60%. (the brightness was set to 60% for this picture)

The bottom is my 2016 MemeBook Pro 15 inch touchbar and it looks pretty bright because it's set to 100% 500 nit brightness but honestly it because it's so bight you use it at 75% and it looks near OLED.

I didn't mess with the ISO at all, the MacBook is just so uniform and at typical 75% brightness (because the screen gets too bright) the blacks are so dark they actually fool a lot of people into believing it's an OLED panel.

>>62301923
So you're saying that a light will shine on the shadow mask and... introduce glare.
I'm not even sure why you're trying to argue that CRTs have worse blacks than LCDs, anyone who ever had a CRT can tell you that they have far deeper blacks (in a dark room).
CRTs have a lot of other disadvantages though and there's a good reason why LCDs killed them, nuNostalgia fags are retarded but so are you for being ignorant.

>>62302002
glare would be when light is reflecting of the glass in front of the shadow mask. look at this picture >>62301595 there is no glare on either screen. you are just clearly seeing the actual black levels of each monitor.

>>62302101
>muh picture
>muh monitor

You are the dumbest poster I've encountered on /g/ today. Congratulations!

>>62302101
look at this picture >>62301780 there is no glare on either screen. you are just clearly seeing the actual black levels of each monitor.

We could just keep comparing anecdotes forever or you could just stop being an idiot and realize that CRTs have superior blacks and no one argues against this except for you.

The Apple Macbook Pro with Retina Display doesn't have this problem.

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>>62301949
>The top is my Dell u3415w
>ultrameme

he fell for memewide

>>62302113
there is no crt that exists with a shadow mask that is darker than the black produced by a good lcd in a normally lit room.

>>62302161
i'm not denying that a crt will have better blacks in a unlit room. this isn't how most people use their monitors though.

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>>62302196
Did you really just point out what I already said?

>>62302207
>a monitor with a more reflective surface will have worse glare in a lit room
well no fucking shit, you're still fucking retarded for thinking that CRTs had worse blacks

>>62302242
it's not glare. think of it like a projector. the deepest black it can produce is the colour of the projection screen, which is affected by ambient light. same with a crt. it doesn't actually have good blacks but if you turn the lights off, you can't see how bad the blacks are.

>>62302309
You just found out how CRTs work and want to sound smart but the simple fact is that CRTs have far deeper blacks than LCDs and this is a fact, there's absolutely no question about this.
Stop being retarded now.

>>62302341
>but the simple fact is that CRTs have far deeper blacks than LCDs
sorry but that's simply not true. you just fell for the crts have better blacks meme.

Does any Anon here have a monitor with Quantum Dot Technology? What's it like in comparison to your old one?

>>62301949
Now you know why macbooks sell so much at that price.
It just works

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>>62302369

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Shitty monitors are the "norm" because poverty and frugality are the norm.

Get two Eizo Flexscan EV2780s

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>>62302858
>IPS

>>62302905
what a dense motherfucker you are

>>62302686
don't feel bad. there was a time when lcds did have worse blacks than crts but this is no longer the case with most modern lcds.

>>62303005
I don't feel bad. You're wrong.

LCDs have always been about compromise.

You get pick your poison combinations of shit contrast ratio, shit response times, motion blur with garbage like strobing/blackframe insertion (or whatever flavor mfg X says it is) that kills display brightness, scaling issues due to fixed pixel, terrible viewing angles, dead pixels, fucked uniformity, light bleed, fragmentation of sync technologies and the house of cards software backends to make them work correctly, HDR meme with ugly "local dimming" and tone mapping garbage just because of laughable LCD "Contrast ratio".

I am probably missing some things but it just an illustration that the base technology was very limited and it needs a hodgepodge of technologies to make look good. The trade off is good geometry, thinner enclosure, and cost savings.

>>62303061
>scaling issues due to fixed pixel
what technology, apart from monochrome CRTs, does not have this?

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>>62299403
Wish I had known this before I bought one for 250bux. Half my screen is blue and the other side is orange with a foggy layer on top of everything. Only usable if I set the background lighting to 0.

>>62303017
in a normally lit room the amount of light reflected by the shadow mask of a crt will be more than the amount of light reflected by an lcd screen plus the amount of its back light that passes through the screen. this means crts will have a lighter "black" than an lcd unless you use it in an unlit room. this wasn't the case with very early lcds but is with 99% of modern ones.

>>62299403

>tfw low-tier VA panels are all garbage but the high-tier ones are all overpriced retarded ultra-wide curved gayming shit
where's the VA with no ghosting and no retarded features

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1) Perfect black levels
2) Flawless off-axis viewing
3) Much faster refresh rate than LCD
4) Warmer, more natural image (thanks to scan lines and small granules)
5) Far longer life-span
6) Not subject to manufacture problems such as dead-pixels
7) Good range of compatibility with lower or non-standard resolutions without blurring

Given ultimate space and money the world's best CRT could easily crush the world's best LCD. So tell me /g/, why do you like your inferior screens that companies such as Samsung have brainwashed you to think is better than what already existed? The only cost-savings are on their end.

And the funny thing is you guys keep buying this crappy LCD technology and giving away your free CRTs on Craigslist. A fool and his dollar are soon parted I guess.

And before you start yapping about IPS panels:
Enjoy your slow G2G response to switch pixels already, not to mention that hidden input and scalar lag. Luckily, CRT has no such bullshit.

The only semi-legitimate point I've heard against CRTs regards weight, but you don't bitch about the weight of a prospective couch while furniture shopping, do you? Didn't think so.

>>62303623
The people that make these kind of posts never actually used CRTs, I don't regret moving away from them at all.

>>62303623
>comparing a mature CRT to an early LCD with shitty settings and shitty lighting all arranged to make the LCD look bad in comparison

Cool pasta, faggot.

>>62299544
price, burn in, heavily degrades over the years

>>62303623
>warmer image
are you stupid?

>>62303623
didn't read your post but you can tell the lcd monitor is old as fuck like from the early 2000s, even back then they were mostly used in offices, not for entertainment

CRTs are inherently more likeable for games. High inherent contrast ratio, 100% perfect viewing angles, no input lag + great response times + scanning (strobing) screen updating, naturally smooth pixels requiring less AA, always native resolution, etc. Especially the scanning updating of CRTs is desirable - with the sample-and-hold nature of LCDs, even 240hz ones seem less smooth than a 120hz strobed LCD or good CRT.

CRTs are not perfect. The slow phosphor decay of my CRT made Alien Isolation unplayable for example. And they weigh a fuckton, obviously.

I have an FW900, and since modern video cards don't have the usual internal 400mhz DAC and external ones have maxed at ~235mhz, I'm trying out VA monitors. Currently trying the C27FG70, which is very impressive and even has a strobing mode - it's not amazing next to the CRT though, so I can't wait until OLED arrives.

>>62301595
>good
>blacks
pick one

>>62301595
can you get amoled monitors blacks on samsung amoled screens are really good

That's a shitty IPS. A good IPS will have an ATW polarizer which prevents nonsense like this.

>>62304730
>High inherent contrast ratio,
In impossibly ideal conditions with no external/reflected light. In normal lighting conditions the contrast ratio is pathetic, even compared to the cheapest modern LCDs.

>naturally smooth pixels requiring less AA
This is false. You will still see jagged edges, they'll just look like blurry jagged edges. It won't look smooth at all.

>always native resolution
Most CRTs have a physical dot pitch limitation where pixels will begin to blend together. The best common CRTs could do something like 1600x1200 before hitting this limit. The FW900, often called the best monitor ever (it's not) could do 2304x1440.

Overall you're pretty spot on. It's nice to see someone on /g/ who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to CRTs. Most retards here just spew memes about "better picture quality" and "better colors", as if it's still 2005.

>>62305196
List of good IPS?

>>62305372
i haven't kept up with this stuff but basically any $100-200 monitor is shit

those $1k+ NEC monitors for professional use are good. there are probably cheaper ones that are good too

>>62300299
Until you realize they have a fixed native resolution just like LCD and LED.

>>62299403
IPS has always looked like a slightly better TN to me. like a TN with slightly more accurate colors and viewing angles, which is slower and has shittier backlighting.

none have really impressed me. the colors don't pop like on an oled or a plasma or CRT, they don't have great contrast like a VA. so what is the point? some look pretty good but most look like overpriced TNs.

>>62301579
I've been waiting for over a decade, bro

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>>62299850
yeah but you can fix this with a cool screensaver

>>62301595
you're seeing light reflected off the CRT internals. plasmas similarly look like they wouldn't have good black levels in a bright room when they're off. dim the lights and turn it on though and compared to a TN or IPS the difference is obvious. TN and IPS have grey, bright blacks, and thats not even considering problems with backlight uniformity.

>>62307572
and never use the monitor since daily use alone will result in static elements burned into it

>>62307632
exactly.
Go to a phone store and lol at all of the phones that have the demo burned into the screen.

>>62299403
MUH LIGHT BLEEDS

seriously fucking /g/ finds the most autistic things to complain about

>>62307707
t. never saw a CRT in his life

>>62307707
Just because you enjoy the taste of shit doesn't mean everyone else should.

>>62307735
>>62307743
thank you for proving my point.

>>62307707
it looks like fucking trash. it's very noticeable irl. try some $100 1080p ips monitor and then return it because of how shit it is

>>62307611
you're seeing the light reflected from the shadow mask/aperture grille. dimming the lights will obviously reduce the amount of light that's reflected from it but turning it on wont reduce the amount of light it reflects.

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>>62307870
The glass also diffuses light coming from the display itself, as will occur with pic related.

>>62307735

I've used CRT most of my life and rarely have I been so glad for a technology to fuck off and die.
Besides, everyone defending CRTs ITT is being disingenuous and comparing expensive, top tier CRT monitors to shit tier LCDs.

>>62300235
Since your are only using your screen for anime and shitposting it doesn't matter.

If you do actual work on your desk or use a multi-monitor you'll quickly realize how infuriating your viewing angles.

>>62299554
This, ambient light changes how you set up your workstation. No need for backlit keyboards if you have any sort of lighting.


>>62301579
Right after the wankel is revived and 4:3 comes back big.

The photo OP posted is at least 2 stops overexposed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_card

Cameras expose black as 18% grey, and white as 18% grey. That's why you need to overexpose in a white scene (such as a snowy scene), and underexpose in a black scene (such as a black screen).

>>62299439
Than VA.
It's better than TN.
Most TN is 800:1 - 1000:1
Most IPS is 1000:1 - 1200:1

I used to use a TN panel and the blacks were awful. Manufacturing tolerances and quality are much more important than the type of panel. You won't notice it browsing loli porn on 4chan anyway.

>>62301853
>it will always have better color reproduction.
Wrong.
IPS will always be washed out low-contrast garbage.

>>62300241
>Yellow Jews
No it was Regular Jews.
Canon and Toshiba were already in production.

Nano-Proprietary Ltd. of East Texas sued the fuck out of them over a patent-troll tier patent. They won, SED died.

>>62307282
>He doesn't know that CRT has a fixed pitch

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>>62299403
They are good if you don't buy shitty cheap ones.

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>>62310386

>>62301434
True va is rare and good only for contrast.
When you see shit advertised as VA something is someone else than lg doing IPS, since IPS isn't tech is lg tradename.
Optrronics who do mist gaming panels do is kind called va something.
A real va have+ than 2000 static contrast but shit colors.
Qled it seen is a better tn.
Only real change will be oled awesome contrast, refresh, angles and colour but too $$$ only seeing in tvs today.

>>62310386
install gentoo

>>62310537
Sorry I have a job and have nothing to prove.
But I do use Debian so I don't waste time getting back to paid employment.

>>62299403
Even my thinkpad IPS screen is better then your cheap chinky screen.
Chinks vs chinks.

>>62304747
kek

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not bad quality monitors (Dell Ultrasharp and HP), just old first/second gen IPS displays. Worst thing is the visibly bad response time. Considering buying a cheap 1080p 144hz TN panel just so I can play games properly

OLED Macbooks soon
Based Apple