There is literally no DE that can compete with the comfiness

>>62265551
>prove me wrong
no

How can I disprove an opinion? Opinions are not debatable.

>>62265563
Well said anon
/thread

>>62265551
it looks like android shit... this minimalism is degenerate

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Docks are shit, SHIT!

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>>62265551
Correct, which is why I don't use a DE

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>>62265551
You have to do a lot of work in gnome just to get to features

>no status icons

>>62265551
Can I run GNOME 3 without NSA/systemd?

>>62265551
Cinnamon

>>62265551
>DE
>comfiness

Yeah, no. Fluxbox or bust fa.m

>>62266309
without systemd, but not without nsa

>>62265742
this
all these wasted space
also the taskbar should be in the bottom instead of the top

>>62266289
>I can't calculate simple sums in my head
kys

>>62265551
>Requires a shit ton of third party extensions
>Retarded waste of space (panel, titlebars)
>Requires multiple clicks for features usually available within a click
>Arrogant devs
>Constantly removing features and fucking up their standards

There literally has never been a worse piece of software than this abomination.

>>62266271
wp?

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>>62266350
You are sitting in front of a calculator, why not use it?

>>62265551
Gnome; Absolutely the last option.
>projectile_vomit.jpg

>>62266483
Your brain is a calculator, why not use it?

>>62266503
What? Even just X is better.

>>62265551
>constantly fighting with your DE and installing extension after extension because they removed half the features you come to expect
Yeah, very comfy.

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>>62265551
i3 gaps can be pretty comfy

>>62266526
A calculator is faster for calculations.
My brain is faster for other things.
Use the right tool for the job.

>>62266347
I agree that it is wasted space,
but the taskbar should be on the left. Vertical space is more scarce on 16:9 monitors. Sidebars is where it's at.

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>>62266381

>>62265551
Any tiling WM can do the job much more comfily.

>2017
>using a dock

>>62265551
GNOME looks good but is less functional

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>>62266624

cinnamon even though i fucking hate it with a passion and manjaro currently

>>62266686
Why see all the effort just to have your system look even shittier than it was before?

>>62266702

I only just recently installed Manjaro. Haven't been bothered changing the wallpaper even.

besides, first thing I did was install windows icons and cursors :-)

I need a taskbar, systray and start menu

KDE sucks, GNOME is kinda gay, i3 is for high functioning autists

anyone that uses a dock is a faggot

>>62265551
I prefer Aqua, that just seems like "hey OS X looks comfy, lets steal all their ideas." and they still could not make it as solid as Aqua.

>>62266483
Because it does nothing to improve your skill at mental calculations. Once you're not absolutely pleb at it, it's always faster to do simple things in your head than to offload it to any external device due to I/O.

KDE and gnome are for cucks that like to use half their ram from startup because they don't know how to make xfce look good

>>62265551

with "dash to panel" maybe

>>62266309
Probably without systemd, but not without policykit, and if you're using policykit, you might as well be using systemd as well.

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>>62265551
>using any de
StumpWM reporting in.

>>62265551
KDE

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>>62266809

They went totally retarded mode with Kirigami. I had high hopes when Plasma 5 was announced, they ruined it

>>62266827
Use your package manager from the terminal, like a normal person.

>>62266827
I actually have no issue with it (coming from unity). Besides this anon pointed out
>>62266850, I just muon for packages.

>>62266850
>>62266864

My feeling is that this is just the beginning of an awful lot of those ugly Kirigami apps

>>62266584
Taskbar should auto-hide.

I've just moved mine to the top though, I find that my mouse is most often on the top half of the screen so I have less movement to make to reach it.

>>62266827
I uninstalled that shit and use dnfdragora instead. It's fast and is not based on that shitty PackageKit backend, but instead use dnf directly.

Windows Explorer as featured in the Microsoft Windows operating system

>>62266890
Then I will start using qt-based alternatives until KDE gets their shit together. I am looking forward to plasma-mobile tbqh

>>62265551
Wallpaper plz

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>>62266978
Just make one from the sauce:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/14484303/UP-4

>>62266776
How quickly and accurately can you calculate transcendental functions and complex ratios? There are ways to do it reasonably fast but you still won't be as fast and accurate as a computer. There are better uses of time.

>>62267151
Not him. Faster, not a chance, but more accurate, yes. Computers can only perform finite precision arithmetic and numerical algorithms, they can't (yet) solve a problem through a true analytical approach like a human can.

>>62267196
I'm talking about the two in tandem. Real life doesn't require infinitesimal precision, and you can still get absurdly precise and fast calculations algorithmically or with arbitrary precision numbers. When I want to calculate logarithms I'm not doing it by hand.

>>62267079
>Just make one from the sauce
Just compile one bro

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>>62265551
I see you're using Gnome

Debian 9
Mate

Arch + no DE.

Sorry.

Install Firecucks
Enjoy wasted vertical space
Proved you wrong.

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>>62267336
N i c e.

By the way:
"If choices give you cancer
Gnome is the answer".

>>62266289
damn kate, how's the physics course treating you?

>>62265551
I prefer fluxbox and/or dwm to Gnome, easy. GUI tools for system configuration are bloat. Literally anyone can edit a fucking text file just as easily as figuring out some stupid GUI bullshit. And if they can't, then they shouldn't be changing those things anyway.

>>62267360
Yeah.
Firefox became a giant monster.
Still with Chrome.

>>62267196
>Computers can only perform finite precision arithmetic and numerical algorithms
What are arbitrary-precision libraries?
>they can't (yet) solve a problem through a true analytical approach like a human can
What is Mathematica?

>>62267151
>simple sums
>transcendental functions and complex ratios
How 'bout we stick to the subject?

can I make windows 10 look like this? if yes how?

>>62267336
>detached menu bar
Why would you copy Mac OS's worst feature?

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>>62266316

>>62267336
>Seeing your desktop from three months ago on /g/
I'm flattered.

>>62266787
In my tests, Plasma uses 400 MB on startup, and Gnome uses 730 MB. How much does Xfce use?

>>62267636
He showed an example of using the calculator and you seized on the particular example instead of thinking more broadly, so you're the one who's lost the plot.

>>62267336
WTF I love KDE now
This looks amazing

>>62266787
I use Xfce too because I think it's the best and most stable DE right now but in motion it never looks good
If I show it to a turbo-normie he will make fun on how there are no animations on the gui

>>62267881
Kinda shows the kind of stuff he's using it for, doesn't it?

>>62267982
it showed that the tool is there for you to use and he probably didn't think a whole lot about the example itself. If you want to be an elitist about doing arithmetic very quickly it has no bearing on the utility of that feature.

That said I do most of my calculations in guile in the terminal because I can manipulate them more easily, and I don't think it's all that useful to use krunner to do calculations, but it's a feature nonetheless.

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>>62265551
uhm sweetie...

>>62265742
Your opinion has been noted.
Your opinion has been discarded.
Your opinion has been shat out from my ass.

>>62267817
That's Nemo, not the DE. Learn what a DE is before making a cunt of yourself next time.

>>62266289
Kate? Kate Libby?

>>62266302
lmao

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>>62267417
>>62268123
Kate is a text editor, you desperate virgins.

>>62265551
Unity is superior.

>>62268210
This, fpbp

>>62266302
>Gnome dev
>And I have no idea what XFCE
Wew, that explains a lot.

>>62268255
Unity is best but too bad it's killed. Mate is adding global menu and hud and should be a good replacement in 17.10

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>>62265551
why would I want to do that?

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>>62265551
/thread

>>62266545
I am Katie wtf

>>62268076
Why is there no 'vim' in that menu?

>>62268410
Opsec

>>62268279
better DEs already have global menu.

>>62268468
Such as? Mate added a global menu that works for everything like unity and there is an add on that will be included in 18.04 that will merge the corner buttons when the window maximized.

From my knowledge, plasma's global menu only works with Qt applications and gnome global menu plugin is ugly as sin and doesn't merge the corner buttons when maximized.

>>62266791
What? You can use policykit with consolekit or elogind just fine.

>>62268522
I never said they did global menu better, just that they're better DEs with global menu.

>>62268594
that said i dont know why they bothered working on the feature if theyre only going to do the bare minimum to make it useful. improve other things instead.

>>62268410
Who thought of not putting icons on tabs in Safari? This is one "feature" which makes it completely unusable.

>>62266548
i dont have to fight gnome and i dont use extensions because i dont need them and its still perfect :)

>>62268035
The point in >>62266483 sure seemed to be that if you have a calculator available, you might as well use it for anything, even simple sums.

>>62268449
It has emacs instead.

>>62268553
The point being that if you're using policykit, you've already ruined your system, so you might as well go full retard.

>>62268669
I don't mind not having favicons.

>>62268076
change that background my man

>>62268410
currently using MAC OS and I want to die.
literally using it as a tool to buy a good pc

>>62267649
bump

>>62268784
If you never open more than 5 tabs than sure you don't.

>>62265742
There is no dock by default in gnome. Press the super key to reveal the dash in the activities view or simply start typing.

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>>62265551
>Prove me wrong.
Proved.

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X F C E
F
C
E

>>62268279
I already jumped ship from GTK, I'm using KDE Neon and it's great actually having features and options, I gave Gnome a good try (3.24) but the constant bugs, the huge ram usage, the lagged animations, the huge portions of the screen wasted because >muh design philosophy, take for example the default PDF reader, it's a barebones PDF reader yet it has constant lag when showing thumbnails in documents over 20 pages long, The fact you need a version of Nautilus patched by Canonical to have a normal file search is laughable.
The file picker is a joke, you can't change anything about the system without editing a config file, you need a 3rd party software (Gnome tweaks) to change basic stuff.

>>62268973
>XRA

good taste, which is the weirdest episode so far? S1E9 was kinda odd for me.

>>62268973

Enjoy your screen tearing

>>62269097
can this meme be stopped? u can enable vsync in xfce, its just not enabled by default. it takes just a few clicks

>>62268279
It's amazing that Mate still doesn't have stable hidpi scaling yet despite saying they're working on it for a year a two. I don't think they indicated they're going to include it in 17.10 either.

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>>62268118
>... which is an integral part of the DE
>... which is an integral part of the DE that exists because crybabbies didn't like change that also does this

>>62269033

the one in which xavier goes through the doors or the computer virus episode. The writing is both retarded and brilliant at the same time which makes the show so good.

>>62269097

tearing in xfce is easily fixable

>>62267649
ye install gentoo

>>62268669
t. autist

>>62269145

Don't be mad, anon. :3

>>62269366
very hard for me. possible without changing os?

>>62268331
Because you're a fucking pedo nolifer

>>62269325
what composite manager are you using for that blur?

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>>62266302
What the fuck man.
What the fuck.

>>62265563
>Opinions are not debatable.

Of course they are, that is the joy of live.
They are not determinable.

>>62269454
im not mad, i just legitimately dont get why people say that there is screan tearing in xfce when you just have to check one fucking checkbox LIKE ARE THEY FUCKING RETARDED OR WHAT?! IS THIS A MEME TO IRRITATE ME OR SOMETHING

nooo, i was smiling while i was writing this post ;)

>>62265551
I agree. Gnome is very nice. It's a shame what is happening to it though, desu.

>>62266302
lol.
Im not mad because they removed the status icons because i personally feel like they are unneeded/obselete and i think it would be nice if more applications used the notification center or whatever its called but this is very funny and sad

>>62268410
hipster fag

>>62268828
what dont you like about it? im not planning to buy one as im a poorfag with an old laptop and ubuntu 17.10 which im perfectly satisfied with, but im curious because i heard that mac os is really nice

>>62270384
not him but DE is something like gnome/KDE/similar that has everything
you can get just a window manager like openbox or i3. nitrogen is good for wallpapers.

>>62270039
No compositor, I have a script that downscales and blurs the background image, which then is used by urxvt as fixed background. Wish there was a compositor that allowed me to pick the image for transparency, searched for it and did not find a single one. Compton can blur backgrounds, but it is really slow.

>>62270529
I also have an old computer. Mac OS maxes out your RAM usage by default and anything RAM intensive slows the computer to a crawl. If you install a different OS on an apple product it will run more efficiently

>>62266523
me on the right

>>62270660
>Compton can blur backgrounds, but it is really slow.
I'm using it right now. It's not really slow for me at all. But the blur in ur pic is much better than the one in compton.

>>62266545
kek, laughed way harder than I imagined
>is a foot
a thousand keks are being had atm

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>>62270377

XFCE has screen tearing and vsync does not solve the problem, much less compton. I already tested this shit on iGPU from Intel, AMD GPU and Nvidia GPU.

>>62270715
It's slow if you want quality, because it renders every time the windows change. I'd share the script, but I'm not currently in my computer.

Still, I'd love to modify compton to allow to pick fake transparency backgrounds. Maybe one day.

>>62270731
solved that with xorg config,

Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel Graphics"
Driver "intel"
Option "TearFree" "true"
EndSection

either add it to your xorg.conf or as an individual file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d - gave mine filename of 20-intel.conf

note: the above is for intel graphics.

>>62265551
Can you give me the original photo? Thank you kind sir.

>>62270384
I just use openbox as a window manager/menu, feh to draw a background. Also compton and conky for rice purposes.

>>62271127
Now open a video with mpv and scroll a page in Firefox. Enjoy the tear

>>62266309

No. GNOME is gratuitously coupled to systemd. No systemd, no GNOME.

I say this as an ardent GNOME user and someone who is on the fence about systemd.

>>62267336
Still have to use the mouse though.

>>62265551
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

Gnome shills think they can push their shit here. Gnome sucks. XFCE is 100x as good as Gnome and you can make it look however you want, Gnome devs think they can push their tablet UI on desktop users.

S U C K
U
C
K

I T
T

>>62271876
This.

Also the real reason systemd sucks is it's next to impossible to just take one piece and fork/replace it unless you're a big company like goolag or fecesbook, whereas any autist could write a shitty cron or log daemon if they wanted to. It's not an issue now but inevitably there will be drama from within the project that warrants a fork/replacement of a module but you can't really do that without forking all of systemd.

>>62265551
Xfce and KDE are much better. Xfce is overall a better DE while KDE has better tools.

>>62267196
Too bad we have to use computers for almost all real world problems because there are no analytical solutions you nitwit. Pass the first year maths courses before you talk.

>>62272705
I don't use mouse anymore and I'm still using KDE. I'd post an updated webm but 4chan throws a corrupted file error when I try to upload a webm.

>>62268736
>The point being that if you're using policykit, you've already ruined your system
So how do you handle things like auto-mounting usb devices?

Is it more patrician to not use a DE?

>>62273501
udev rules or mounting shit yourself

>>62273557
Who the fuck cares what's "patrician". Use whatever works for you, idiot.

>>62273501
https://www.axllent.org/docs/view/auto-mounting-usb-storage/

>>62266686
How do I get the system info like that

>>62273581
I'll take that as a yes, pleb

>>62273501
I use pmount instead.

>>62266759
Xfce bruh

>>62273722
looks like conky

>>62271851
>LOL Firefuck

there's your problem anon.

>>62265551
Your desktop is the 2017 equivalent of pic related in the 90s. It looks like shit, but people don't realize it because it's so "modern."

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Aqua>>>>anything else

>>62270731
I'm using xfce right now with no screen tear in FF

>>62265563

>being this autistic

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Does it have non-interger scaling? And no my question isn't does xorg have non-interger scaling. Does gnome?

Its completely useless on high dpi screens or anything that the incompetent developers didn't have right infront of them.

Gtk and gnome are trash. So is GNU.

>>62275259
Unity had non integer scaling so it would be a huge step back if they didn't add it to gnome

>>62274391
>pic related
>posts no pic

>>62271851

This

>>62273557
Use Windowmaker.

>>62267876
I have 16gb of ram. My system eats 2gb of ram at idle with steam/chrome/lmms/other running in the background and I never notice the difference.

>>62270662
Oh look, it's the "wipes standing up" crowd. How nice of you to join us.

>>62266302
poettering os is a joke

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>>62268973
xfce ftw!!!

>>62267817
wow linux mint looks like shit. the debian version of cinnamon is much nicer

>>62265551
I've seen Ubuntu 17.10's daily builds and Gnome 3 is looking pretty comfy. Especially with the Pop! GTK Theme

>>62268410
kevin parnell is gay

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You just gotta make your DE comfy
I just made this.

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>>62270662
All modern Unix and Unix-like OS's will fill up your memory with disk cache because otherwise it sits completely wasted. It makes your computer faster. When memory is needed for a program to run, pages of cache are written back or discarded (if there was no change) and it's been this way on pretty much every Unix machine since BSD came out with paged virtual memory and the vfs structure.

Fucking wintoddler newfags.

>>62265551
Gnome 3 sucks

>>62267975
>there are no animations on the gui

People actually like them?

>>62268410
>Rainbows.

What the fuck!?

>>62278669
very aesthetic anon

>>62279104
nigga i can't even open two tabs.

>>62279562
i find that hard to believe, what else do you have running? Post a screenshot of your Activity Monitor.

>>62270715
Lol just change the blur kernel

>>62271876
What parts of systemd does Gnome depend on?

>>62268410
your lack of vertical space triggers me

>>62265551
Looks like shit, but I wasn't expecting anything else from GNOME.

Try KDE Plasma if you really want to have a comfy env.

>>62268410
>x900
ahahahaha..... HAHAHAHA

>>62265551
t. phone poster

gnome was designed to emulate that android look.

>>62269325
dotfiles? this looks godtier

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>>62268973
GREAT post

>>62269097
if you're a literal retard or can't be fucked to spend 15 keystrokes to install compton or something then yeah, sure

>>62268076
why does it look old like win95 type of old but nowhere as nice as win95 was

>>62265551
i3wm without a DE. I win.
>>62266323
Fluxbox was lovely while I used it, but nowadays i3wm is just that much more ortastic.

>>62270730
hahaha epic!

>>62281835

See >>62270731

retard

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>>62265551
KDE
D
E

Has anyone looked at the source code of some of these DEs? What are they all like in terms of complexity, architecture, and easy understanding?

>>62267336
What's the compositor, how do you get tiling?

>>62267336
how do you get it to tile?

>>62265551
looks nice. what extensions, themes, etc?

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>>62281867
Because it has shitty blurry fonts.

here's a little fun thing for gnome users:
download the shell extension "activities configurator"
set your activities button as the numix icon for your favourite distro (not the one you are currently using)
run apt-get update + upgrade
this might take a litttle bit of time to happen but wait it out
you are now running the distro that you set as a button image (with no real changes other than screenfetch and grub bootloader)

if anyone knows why this happens please explain to me

>>62267336
*crashes 6 million times at boot*
at least i have my tiling

>>62267512
>chrome
GET OUT OF MY BOARD

>>62283135
>crashes 6 million times at boot
That's what you get when you write in C.

>>62278669
Firefox's theme clashes with the rest, I would use the light theme

>>62278669
>tfw have to use dock because i can't tell windows apart unless they're really obviously separated
help me

>>62269097
I installed Xfce 20 minutes ago without fucking with compositor and I have no screen tearing.

>>62283405
I'm installing it right. Wish me luck, I extraordinarily frequently have tearing problems!

>>62283445
>I'm installing it right.
...right now.

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The hipster webdevs at KDE are working hard

>>62283405
See >>62271851

>>62266271
Everything about this image screams fedora

>>62266302
>I have no idea what XFCE is or does
c'mon now, this can't be legit

>>62274828
Is that Zauthra?

>>62266271
how do you open things and such?

>>62283929
terminal (bound to a shortcut)
dmenu or some other launcher(bound to a shortcut)

>>62266302
/thread

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>>62283034
>>62283045
It's my desktop from three months ago. I'm flattered someone else posted it. Back then I saved the window positions with KWin's "Window Rules" so it was not actually tiling as the window sizes & positions had simply been saved. However, I've been working on a tiling script that automatically tiles windows with KWin and am using it nowadays https://github.com/Jazqa/kwin-quarter-tiling

>>62283184
Isn't KDE written in Qt ( C++ )?

>>62266302
>And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.
xfce fags officially eternally BTFO

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>>62265551
centos masterrace

>>62278136

Are you using appmenu from Vala?

>>62283526
If this shit actually makes it into KDE I'm buying a fucking Mac.

Openbox ftw

>>62278136
How'd you get the terminal to look like powerline?

>>62269097
literally like 30 seconds dealing with Compton and you will never even think about it until the next install.

>>62284373
What's the launcher? i like it.

>>62287657
KRunner. It's part of KDE.

>>62270154
You can try to "prove an opinion wrong" all you want, but you'd just be wasting your time.. Just like I am as I write this. And you, reading it.

>>62283526
Wait, wtf is that shit?

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>>62265551
>window decorations as thick as my big toe
>eats up more RAM than KDE with half the features
>animations lag on 5 year old top of the line desktop hardware
>takes a full 20 seconds to go from the login screen to the desktop
>the logo is a fucking foot
>dock is hidden in the app drawer so it's basically useless
>cluttered menus and shitty default apps
Gnome is trash. Have a (You), faggot.

>>62282734

>using a post without proof as proof

highly convincing

>>62265551
as oldfag I seen all off them.. GNOME 1 was a bugfest :D .. I even tried CDE back at the time...

whatever.. now I am back to GNOME after trying KDE5 for a while (as its default in my tumbleweed) but it was not my thing after years of XFCE ...

so now I sit here and realize that tilix is the reason why I try to like GNOME atm..

>>62266271
>857 MHz
comfy desu

>>62284373
I'm guessing you used that kwin tiling script?
Didn't know it was that good, damn

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Daily reminder that to this day, these two killer features are exclusive to UNITY of all things. Gnome and everything else BTFO.

>>62289749
But i3 has dmenu which covers the second half I'm pretty sure. As for integrated title bars, they're not exactly a necessity. They're nice to have, but my workflow isn't affected on my machines that don't have them

>>62289783
dmenu can search within application menus?

>>62289783
Part of the benefit of integrated title bars is that they keep the menus hidden and tucked out of the way, but still accessible. Everything looks so much neater and prettier without those ugly menus sticking out.

That's just like, your opinion man.

>>62289801
Oh, i suppose not. But again, it's not exactly workflow breaking that it can't
>>62289821
I'm not denying that, but it's not a game changer for using (or not using gnome) in my opinion

>>62289749
Mate has both of those, atleast in the git master. The HUD is WIP but basically works

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>>62265551

XFCE is superior

>>62283782
mcomix

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S T U M P W M

>>62289924
Mate confirmed for new best DE?

>>62266556
fuck out of here you youtube faggot

>>62270795
you can use pywal or wal to get transparency (also to generate colours from background and stuff), look it up

>>62289924
Does Mate actually have menus integrated into the window titlebars, or does it just have a global menu?

>>62290422
You're probably right actually. I misunderstood the first part.

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>>62290504
Back to Unity then.

>>62266801
https://u.teknik.io/5Vy1T.mp4

>>62284889
what? isn't it gnome users who are btfo for using software developed by literal retards?

>>62272838
>t. engineering student