M.2 - The Future

>>62243658
Just wait ssd 970 pro in less 2 month.

>not a pci ssd

>>62243658
*suddenly doesn't show up on bios*

>>62243658
>Not booting from RAM Disk

I feel like this would just be another thing Windows 7 would have issues with, and I'm not using Windows fucking 10. Most Linux distros boot super quick even on a basic SSD or fast HDD. Mac OS is a meme. So what's the use case? I do have an M.2 socket, if I wanted to use it.

>>62243753
I know, but it's super comfy when I compile my projects or when I play pre 2013 games like FO New Vegas. It's also more future proof.

>>62243658
there have been countless benches already
you wont see any difference from a good ssd to m2 on boot time
or on loading time
only if you play with 30-40gb files aka productivity in general you will see a massive difference

>>62243748
>not booting from CPU cache

>>62243658
>doesnt yield any benefit over first generation sata2 ssd due to CPU bottleneck
>overheats

I have an M.2 SSD for my OS since I had some extra money left over for my build.

Honestly, the boot time isn't quicker VS my SSD. The biggest bottleneck to 2fast boot is the BOIS.

The only thing I've noticed is the fact that I have no SATA ports now.

I have an M.2 on my laptop and it gets really toasty. Are all M.2 drives like this?

>>62243961
>only if you play with 30-40gb files aka productivity in general you will see a massive difference

Like what productivity?
8k raw video playback?
Most actual productivity that i know of (rendering, video compressiob, finite element analysis) require immense computing power and bottleneck elsewhere.

>>62244021
anything that needs insane transfer bandwidth
like 4k/8k video editing
anything CAD in general
bla bla
but then again people involved on those things they dont really care about m2 they go for beasts like kingston dcp1000
to be honest m2 is just a gimmik for 99.9% of the people

from my perspective is just a show off right now cause there isnt any program out there that even heavy users will use to be able to tax an ssd let alone an m2
its better to have a simple 250gb for the os and programs and a m2 for heavy games plus a NAS for media
than to spend money on m2 and just disable one pcie for nothing

>>62244012
No because a laptop has virtually no airflow

>>62244012
Yes

The samsung ones can only operate at full speed for 30-90 seconds before throttling to half their speed because of heat issues.

>>62244146
>>62244108
are those m.2 heatsinks actually not retarded?

>>62244105
>>62244012
>>62243995
>>62243658
holy shit you pajeets are retarded

m.2 is a form factor. sata ssd's can be m.2. if you mean nvme say fucking nvme. is this fucking /g/ or /b/

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>>62244242

>>62243983
>Caring about boot time
Winfags are retarded
Boot once and never again

>>62244186
Depends really.

Are you transferring so much data that your SSD will choke on it for more than 30-60 seconds? Then yeah, you want a heatsink.

Are you a normie who just browses 4chan? Then no, you don't need a heatsink.

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>>62243694
*disappears from your path*

>>62244285
NEET only does so.

>>62243658
I really dont care.

The only one I really cared was latency on random reads, (this is what slowed down OS boots) and storage size.

I want a good latency on randoms + 5 TB SSD @ 100.

>>62243658
Its pretty comfy aye. Bios wait timer is the slowest part.
To bad my work computer is a piece of shit compared to my home rig.

>>62245252
5TB HDDs aren't even $100. Also given your requirements I don't understand why you need so much storage. An OS doesn't use up all that space

>>62243658
>needing to boot
>not running 24/7
Why are you even buying low power stuff and complaining about amd gpu/intel x cpu?

>>62245439
You can get 5TB HDD for ~100 with coupons.

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>>62243748
I know this is a meme and a stupid idea, but is there any actual benefit? I see some manufacturers even make PCIe cards with RAM slots and a battery, so it would actually work in theory.

>>62243658
ITS A FUCKING FORM FACTOR!! Its the present and will be the past, not the future!

>>62243689
not PCI SSD

but it is a PCI-e SSD.

>>62244265
He's right y'know.

>>62247125
as right as me saying

WINDOWS 10 IS NOT OS IS A OPERATING SYSTEM YOU KNOW

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>>62247142
Oh man...

>>62243983
>not booting from SIMD registers
Modern Intel CPUs have 32 512-bit AVX registers. That's more than enough to store the boot sector.

>>62243689
M.2 NvME is literally just a sideways x4 PCIe interface you moron.

>>62243689
m.2 is a form factor. It's just a small PCIe connector.

No, 3d xpoint is. It's all about latency.

>>62247901
t. Intel's Good Got #15583

No difference whatsoever.
t. a 500gb 960 EVO owner who came from a 850 EVO.

Only place where you'll see a real life difference, is when you're moving around large files.
Also saving big Photoshop projects seems a bit faster.
But that's about it.
We're dealing with some serious diminishing returns with this tech.
Can't wait until we have these transfer speeds all across the spectrum though.
Externals need to become SSDs as fast as possible. I hate the slow cunts.

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Wish I got the pro version but I bought this for $160 so who cares. I only use it for shitposting anyway.

>>62249280
Where did u buy it?

>>62243658
>5 million incompatible form factors

>>62249280
>NVMe
>shitposting
Fucking dumbass.

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Are we talking about B? Or M? Or B+M? What do we do if it has K or E? Are we talking about 12, 16, 22 or eleventy millimeters wide? 16mm and every 5mm to 110mm long?

Everyone knows sata has two sizes - desktop and laptop - and so know where they stand.

M.2 is a complete and total farce of a standard

>>62247829
>>62247839
PCIe != PCI

>>62249280
>Wish I got the pro version
Why?

>>62250001
... uh yea it is PCIe is just serial instead of parallel.

>installs m.2
>one sata port is disabled

>>62243658
>LOOK GOYS ME LINUX SO SMALL XD
>LOOK I STILL NEED SUPER FAST SSD TO GO FROM 1s BOOTTIME TO 0.9s LOL!
kys.

>>62243658
M.2 is a connector it support both SATA and PCI-e which have different speeds.

>>62244105

all of this. m.2 is complete placebo.
The literally only benefit from getting one is having better airflow in your case because you have one hard drive less.

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>>62244242
This, good fucking lord.

Also in the real world there's no difference in boot or load times between SATA and NVMe SSDs. Other than copying very large files (like moving a 5GB video from one drive to another) your computer's performance will bottleneck elsewhere 100% of the time.

NVMe SSDs are, very literally, a waste of money. Get the cheapest SATA SSD that's big enough for what you need.

>>62243668
This is probably true. Saw a bunch of 960 evo and pros on sale on newegg recently, usually means they are gonna release something new. Good time to try to get a 960 for a little cheaper though if you guys keep your eyes out.

>>62243658
>M.2 - The Future
M.2 is a form factor

>>62254079
A form factor of the future!

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>>62249968
The vast majority of M.2 SSDs are the 2280 form factor and either B or M keyed. The vast majority of M.2 slots on motherboards are either B+M (PCIe x2/SATA) or M (PCIe x4) keyed.

M.2 is an excellent form factor and objectively superior to 2.5" or, god forbid, 3.5" drives in every conceivable way. You can't prove me wrong.

>>62254121
>M.2 is an excellent form factor and objectively superior to 2.5" or, god forbid, 3.5" drives in every conceivable way. You can't prove me wrong.
So i can plug my HDD's into it then?

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>>62254121
>You can't prove me wrong.
Temperature throttling my friend :3

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>>62254144
M.2 is an excellent form factor *in the context of SSDs.

Hard drives will always necessarily be big and heavy. Still, if you don't need bulk storage (above 500GB/1TB) then running only one M.2 is simply the best option. Easiest to install, easiest to organize cables (there are none), best looking, best airflow. Literally the only downside to M.2 SSDs is that they're slightly more expensive than their 2.5" siblings, most of the time.

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>>62254193
>best airflow

>"Patriot Hellfire"
The clue is in the name, mate

>>62254187
>transferring files for literally several minutes

In the vast majority (>99%) of all use cases, nobody will ever saturate an SSD's bandwidth for more than a few seconds at a time.

The first part of that graph, before 'terrible awful thermal throttling', comes out to over 172 *giga*bytes of data transferred. That will simply never happen outside of extremely specific workstation tasks which means it's meaningless outside of that context.

On top of that, the steady-state transfer speed is still ~1.4GB/s, more than double what a SATA III drive can handle and an order of magnitude above any hard drive.

ON TOP OF THAT, NVMe SSDs are stupid useless wastes of money because they don't make a real world difference.

SATA M.2 is objectively the best storage medium. This is an indisputable fact and objectively correct.

>>62254227
Airflow for other components. And like I said above, NVMe drives are stupid and don't make a real world difference, so you shouldn't be using them anyway. SATA drives don't heat up anywhere near that much.

Besides, even if they do get hot, what does it matter? It's literally a few watts of heat, maximum, so it won't make any difference in the overall power draw nor heat generated by your PC.

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>>62254305
>SATA M.2 is objectively the best storage medium.

Combining the slow speeds of SATA with the poor cooling of M.2. Great. I can see through your bullshit.

The real god-like connection is
>Put M.2 to U.2 adapter in M.2 slot on mainboard
>Put M.2 SSD in 2.5" drive bay mounted on a 2.5" PCB with U.2 connector
>Use a U.2 cable between them

Combines the good airflow of 2.5" drives and the speeds of NVMe.

>>62254678
>with the poor cooling of M.2
Wait what... you think the form factor is what causes NvME drives to thermally throttle?

The form factor...? Not the fancy NvME controller...but the form factor?

So you HONESTLY think a SATA M.2 drive thermally throttles or are you just pretending to be retarded for some reason?

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>>62254731
No I'm saying that the M.2 form factor is (on consumer mainboards) directly sitting on the PCB. This is the worst location for airflow.

If it would be mounted in the drive bay, there would be at least the front case fans blowing over it, and you would have enough room for a proper, heat-dissipating enclosure for it.

The problem is not that there is too much heat. It is that the heat is not dissipated quickly enough. This is directly caused by the idiotic placement of M.2 slots on current consumer mainboards.

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>>62254826
So just get a cheap heatsink like I did. Problem solved.

>>62243658

what? the boot times on 960pro is slower than a sata 850pro.

i know i have them both.

total system start takes exactly 14 seconds til im at the load screen.

nvme disks take around 20-21

>>62254826

this is such a retarded thing to say.

unless you copy large files over a period of time it wont matter at all.

for normal usage you do NOT need cooling. when will you fags get over this meme?

when tested it needed like 100gig copied from itself to a equally fast drive or itself to throttle.

>>62254826
>not having side panel fans

>>62249968
>hard drive up to 5 yrs
>UP TO
that's a pretty shitty hard drive

>>62254034
/thread

>>62243658
what do you mean "future"? macbooks have had cutting edge SSD's shipped stock on macbook pros for years now

Does M.2 have a shit life length as other SSDs? I'm not getting why spinning rust is IME a magnitude more reliable things without moving parts

>>62244285
I think you're forgetting the bit where if you're a Winfag you need to reboot once a Tuesday and sit through a nice (garbage) updating splash screen.

>>62243658
I love my 960 Pro, but now about 70% of my boot time is spend in POST. WHY DOES AM4 TAKE SO LONG TO POST?

>>62255009
>he doesn't understand how firmware works

>>62255439
>ssds
>shitty lifespan
maybe you should leave the cave where you lived on for 7 years

>>62254305
>In the vast majority (>99%) of all use cases, nobody will ever saturate an SSD's bandwidth for more than a few seconds at a time.
Its pretty easy to do when cloning VMs or when i'm backing up all my VMs and it has to collapse the snapshots

>172 *giga*bytes of data transferred
So not a lot of data at all

>On top of that, the steady-state transfer speed is still ~1.4GB/s, more than double what a SATA III drive can handle and an order of magnitude above any hard drive.
And its still several times slower than my SSD RAID

>ON TOP OF THAT, NVMe SSDs are stupid useless wastes of money because they don't make a real world difference.
Which is why SuperMicro makes a 2U 48 bay U.2 chassis?

>>62255439
Depends on if you have enterprise class disks or not. My old 480GB Seagate 600 Pros have something like 2600TB rated write endurance. And as far as enterprise class SSDs go they're low end.

>>62243658
I have an M.2. My fucking cheap-shit monitor takes longer to turn on than my PC.

>>62243658
>not raiding pci e x16 8gbps SSDs
plebs.

>>62244105
>to be honest m2 is just a gimmik for 99.9% of the people
an overpriced and expensive as fuck gimmick.

>>62254995
stop being logical

>>62248769
>We're dealing with some serious diminishing returns with this tech.

It only makes sense.

HDD boot time - 60 seconds
Fast HDD boot - 30 seconds
SSD boot - 15 seconds
NVME boot - 7 seconds

Double nvme speed and you get a 3 second faster boot time.
Double HDD boot speed and you get 15 second faster boot time.

Double the 3 second boot again and you get 1.5, double it again and you get a little under 1.
Are you willing to pay a 150% premium to go from a 7 second boot time to a 3 second or 1 second boot time?

That's basically what's happening with SSD -> NVME. Yes it's faster, but it's already so fast that the increased speed is imperceptible. Memory makers don't yet realize that they will not get away with charging such high premiums for NVME drives when they are providing next to no actual benefit for their customers in exchange for the price increase. If Samsung et al want to make more money from their NVME's they need to abandon trying to sell premium speeds, and focus back on selling premium capacity and reliability.

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>>62256545
>boot time
literally who cares about boot time. how often are you really rebooting your computer? before the software update for pic related i had close to 3 months uptime.

>>62256744
use a trip

>>62243995
m.2 is a formfactor
but its also slower to boot from because its not supported as a standard and takes a faction of a second longer to register

the benefit is small size.

>>62257000
no

>>62257072
Why not. You find some petty excuse to post your server every fucking time you post, you might aswell go the full way.

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>>62257134
>server
there are 2 now

>>62257185
A single dual cpu server is not two servers.

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>>62257463
I said there are 2

>>62243658
Only in benchmarks for sequential writing. For regular usage, its no better (maybe 10%) than an 850 evo.

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>>62257463
>>62257525

too scared of their heat

>>62247142
What? M.2 is literally the form factor. Here’s two different m.2 cards

NVME - https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-960-EVO-Internal-MZ-V6E250BW/dp/B01LYFKX41
SATA - https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-850-EVO-Internal-MZ-N5E250BW/dp/B00TGIVZTW

This distinction is important because SATA causes speed bottlenecks for SSDs

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>>62243658
>got a nice meme.2 SSD for new computer
>don't use fast boot because it makes overclocking a pain
>still haven't overcooked
Oh bother.

>>62254305
>SATA M.2 is objectively the best storage medium. This is an indisputable fact and objectively correct.
Except that I can fit like 20 SATA ports in the space that a 2280 M.2 takes. So no, it's not objectively the best.