/pcbg/ PC Building General

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1st for LOOK AT IT FUCKING GO LADS

>>62227346
Miner pls go.

>>62227268
What is the best m.2 NVMe SSD in terms of price/performance?

Is the Zotac GTX 1050Ti any good?
>ZT-P10510B-10L
To be exact.

>Get a RX 570
Out stock in Mexico.
Fucking all cards are overpriced, they are $50-100 more than they were before summer started.

>>62227420
I don't know why it wouldn't be.
You sure you don't want a 1060 though?

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>Turn off HPC mode
>Board not vdrooping horribly below the set voltage
>computer not freezing at 4.4GHZ stock vcore under load
>tfw kicking ass on cinebench
Is this 24/7 stable? prime 95 stops working on two of the cores, but it's a picky bastard, yet rendering apps and cpu-z's own stress test won't crash it.

I don't want this to freeze while rendering to the hdd and fuck me over.

>>62227420
Had a ZOTAC 260 once upon a time, it was a good card
Can't speak to the quality now though

Recommendations on x370 boards for a r7 1700?

>>62227571
Let me remind you i am from a third world country and i only make $10-15 per day, which i can only save $3-5 per day which is not always for the card.

ZOTAC GTX 1050Ti is $180.
Cheapest GTX 1060 is $260, and since i want my cards to last in this hell i live (48°C average on summer) i want a double fan version so its $15-20 more.

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>tfw spend 860€ on pc parts
>tfw your old graphics card just gave out as soon as you put it in the new case
>tfw you have to buy a 1050 because you want play atleast something and wait for Volta

>>62227646
Unless you need it really soon you should be focusing on price/performance even more, then.
I don't know the pricing where you are but if you get a better price/performance from a 1060 I would reccomend saving up for that.

>>62227677
I dont really need it soon but i have been living out a Haswell IGPU for years, i just reached the point i cant do it anymore.
I guess i could way and save more for black friday.

Hypothetically, if I had the money should I buy another gtx 1070 or sell it and buy a better card with that?

>>62227817
I'd get a better card, as your sli setup ages, it'll become an ancient space heater.

>>62227817
SLI/Crossfire ends in worse performance 95% of the time for games.

If I have a (non-boot) hard drive with data on it, can I move it to another computer (to use as a non-boot drive) without having to format or otherwise losing the data?

>>62227892
Yawp

Cheapest gaming build I could come up with using new parts.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BbbJLD

>>62227957
Don't fucking buy that.
You are literally throwing your money away.

>>62227957

what could you even play on that?

As a followup, I am a newfag /g/ from the US does anyone have a rig that could handle fairly high graphic gaming as well as run multiple programs at the same time for around $1k?(soft ceiling on that budget). I would just be getting into playing on the pc but would like to run them at high settings with good performance.

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Why is vcore value only drawing 1.140v when doing something that requires 100% load like Cinebench but stays at 1.224 in idle?
It doesn't seem to make sense to me.

>>62228007
Will run any game at max settings and is good for programming.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k8pTLD

>>62228060
vdroop. increase LLC.

>>62228082
11/10 build there

>>62227957
this is a pile of hot garbage that won't play shit
this is basically a floor for slapping together a new "gaming" PC from scratch, and there's so much better you can do by adding even a few dollars here and there
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HwLZM8

>>62228125
I would put in an SSD toojust so you don't have too boot from a hard drive.

>>62228082
seems like a meme, anyone actually have one around 1k?

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In my area.
>980ti's $300
>1070 $350-$425
>1080 $375-$600

Which would you get if you just scammed an amdrone out of 500 dollars flipping two RX570's I bought for 300 (microstuttering was murderous btw)

I just want to play 4k games between 30-60 fps high settings or fast paced low graphics games at 60+ fps 1440p

Thanks I would like to keep some of the profit I made from the 570's if I cant play at 4k with some eye candy its pointless to keep the extra dough.

>>62228147
like I said, bare minimum
you could make this computer SO much better even with just $100 more

>>62228090
Doesn't make sense, vdroop is already present on idle as 1.224 or whatever is already not the value I put in the BIOS.
Besides it's stable, so why should I increase LLC?

>>62228156
If you want to play 4k the 1080 is the only choice, here.

>>62228007
please help

>>62228007
>>62228244
You need to say your resolution, refresh rate, and what games you want to play.

>>62227268
What is the source of this gif?

>>62228260
1080p 60fps 144hz idk GTA witcher, anything current

>>62228288
>60 fps
>144hz

>>62228288
I think you could run Crysis 1 on medium settings at 1080p

My gpu is over 80C running near load.
Should I be concerned? I am concerned.
Should I replace the thermal paste? The gpu is several years old.
It's a PNY gtx550ti.

>>62228362
That's normal, you can clean it out and make sure it gets decent fresh air in your case, but that's it.

>>62228288
Your refresh rate is your frame cap, and you should aim to hit that. 144hz ≤ your targeted fps.
If you want to play games at 1080p 144hz get a GTX 1070 and a Ryzen 5 1600.

>>62228380
ok thanks

Hi chaps, could you help me? I want to buy a ryzen 1600 but choosing the mobo and RAM its a fucking mesh. Can you tell me which ones are suitable? The RAM should be 16gb at 3200mhz. Also, I rather prefer a mid range mobo, avoid that gayming multi led shit. Thank you

>>62228473
Just as a warning, you may not be able to get the whole 3200 and might get 3000 or 3100+ MHz. At least this is what happened on my AB350M Pro4.

>>62228473
Fuck you.

Just get a B350 or X370 MB you can afford and look in the respective QVL for RAM.

>>62228489
Yeah, thats why im asking for advise. 3200 can only be reached with specific hardware because of compatibility. Otherwise its wasting money

>>62228473
I'm running a B350-F Strix with CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 @ 3066 MHz 16-18-18-something

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So I am debating my situation. I have this CPU I want to build a computer around. And then I have my current computer. My current computer is based around a Mini-ITX board and is pretty much a solid little thing so long as it's properly cooled.

Should I sell my current rig for much-needed funds, or should I skirt things, put it in a compact cube case, and effectively use it as a dedicated streaming/workhorse rig/backup?

Also, how the heck do I build around an i7 7700K with limited cash? Do I buy some $40 motherboard and flash the BIOS? How do I maximize performance on a minimized budget?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232546
Barest-bones 16GB RAM kit for Ryzen on sale
Would not personally recommend, but if you're on a hella budget.....

>>62228524
To clarify, you have a 7700k and also a mini ITX?
Don't do the $40 motherboard; that is absolutely retarded. It also comes down to how much you can get for your current one.

Say you build a midrange pc (amd 5 and 1070). How much of an issue is it if you want to upgrade to an amd 7 and 1080 later?

>>62228540
Vidya swapping is easy

how's this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KVZBNY0/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504427738&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=gtx+1070&dpPl=1&dpID=5106W58qESL&ref=plSrch

>>62228539
I have a 7700K with nothing else, and a separate i5 4460-based computer largely consisting of parts pulled out of an Alienware X51 R2.

Parts that can go towards the 7700K build includes a 1TB HDD, a 550W PSU, and a horrifically underpowered GTX 745 video cardlet.

Budget for the 7700K build is $200.

>>62227817
I wouldn't bother with SLI on anything other than the highest tier card available.

>>62228548
ok thanks, wasn't sure how many parts I would have to look at replacing at once

>>62228535
Thank you bro. But cash is not a problem. I mean, mid range is ok for me. A mobo around 125€ and RAM around 170 should be fine

How do I redpill/unjew my windows 10?

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Any benchmarks of RX Vega with low end CPUs?

Just ordered Vega 56 and wondering wether to replace my [email protected] or not.

>driver DVD tried to get me to install chrome
It let me deselect it so I'm not complaining.

>>62228125
That looks sweet

>>62228473
The good motherboards right now all have gaming LEDs and gay shit. Get a Carbon Pro.

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Is it normal for this to sit at 90%? If I wait, will it finish?

>>62228804
Thanks then. Now I hope the compatible ram doesn't cost 250€

>>62228857
Mine was $300 but turned out to be Hynix shit. Fortunately I either lucked out on the quality or it was an older Samsung kit.

how do you see how fast your ram is running? built in oc software or cpu z?

>>62228889
You can use Speccy and just double/triple to account for dual/triple channel.

How does this look for a PC I want to play games on(144mhz on high settings), stream, and run multiple programs at once. I am trying to build something in the $1k-$1.2k USD range(might upgrade some parts later). Should I just go w/ the 1070 over the 1060?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MXWhQV

>>62228194
Yeah now I'm realizing even a $500 gtx 1080 is a deal since a new one is 600 after taxes. Alright 1080 here I go.

>>62229017
If you want 144Hz with quality, I would definitely recommend a better GPU

>>62229035
Would 1070 do it? Or should I stump for the 1080

>>62229054
1070 is probably sufficient

>>62229119
Cheers, thanks

>>62229035
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-08G-P4-5173-KR/dp/B01KVZBNY0/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1504432447&sr=1-3&keywords=GTX+1070
Is this a decent 1070 for that?

is there any way to get windows10 on a pirated win7 anymore?

>>62228060
Probably just inaccurate voltage readings, measure it with a DMM

>>62229290
No it seems anon was right it's a droop. It's apparently normal it draws less power under load from what I read up.

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Hello gents, toilet plumber pole here with a 2k zł (~470€/~550$) budget. I landed myself a summer job and now it will be a weekend/at home job for roughly 600zł/month while I finish up my last year of school. Seeing the current situation with AMD and Intel I wonder if I should just splurge everything right now or wait a month or two to see if the new stuff will be better and cheaper than the current choices.

Assuming that I'm buying now:
Looking to get myself a new gaming rig, nothing too crazy, I don't need max in every game, I'm already used to all my games looking like shit and I thought I'd pop in to tech support board for some tips.
Not listed is a 650W power supply so I don't need one of those.

What I'm looking for mainly is a CPU, GPU, mobo and RAM. Drives are secondary but I'll probably get try to cram a 1TB in there as well since theyre cheap af, a new case would also be nice but thats luxury at this budget unless the mobo wouldnt fit my case somehow (ATX).

GPU wise I'm thinking realistically 1050 Ti (600-800zł) or 1060 3GB (900-1200zł) if I don't spend much on other parts. Should I aim for stock or the more expensive manufacturer versions?

CPU - I see i3-8350K (600zł) is coming out soon and it's better than some i7 (1000zł+), what's the deal with that? Should I wait with the CPUs or go for the old solid choices like Pentium G4600 (350zł), i3-7100 (470zł), i5-7600k (1k zł) or Ryzens that are 500-1k zł?

What do you guys think?

>>62229368
Don't get a 1060 3GB
Would rather have a 1050Ti

>>62229368
Wait for Coffee Lake to be released to see it tested in real conditions, and to see whether Ryzen ends up costing less.
Don't buy a CPU with 4cores 4 threads or less if you want that PC to last you a while. R5 1400, 1500X or 1600 are pretty good. Keep an eye on the next i5 8600(k) too. Don't be hasty.

I also agree with anon about the 1050Ti. It's a pretty good card and 4GB VRAM will open you more doors than 3GB. It's also cheaper.

>>62229382
You gotta be kidding me.

>>62229368
do NOT get 3GB 1060, nobody should get one. 1050Ti is the go-to budget card at the moment

Don't get an i3, ESPECIALLY an unlocked one. Buying a dual-core CPU in 2017 is like shooting yourself in the foot. Go for either Ryzen 3 or 5. R5 1400 is a 4C/8T CPU at 700zł AND it's unlocked AND it comes with a decent cooler (unlike i3's no cooler at all)

and last but not least, szanuj papieża

Gayming build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nb8G8K

>>62228855
pls respond

>>62229586
Read the fucking OP.

Ncase M1 (because I like it)
Asrock AB350 ITX motherboard
Corsair SF600 PSU
AMD Ryzen 1600
Noctua NL12
Some 3200 MHz RAM 2x8GB
Samsung EVO 960 M.2 SSD 500GB
R9 290 in the meantime while waiting for Vega drivers to get fixed or NVidia releases something


Thoughts?

How much electrocity does a Titan Xp draw?

>>62229368
Hold up if I have windows 7 can I even use Ryzens? Or am I thinking about some other cpus that needed windows 10?

>>62229802
There's ways to get Ryzen to work with Windows 7, but it's a pain in the ass

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>>62229652

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>>62229586

Need help filling in the blanks.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dbKwBP
Only needs a motherboard and power supply
I'm absolute dog shit when it comes to PCs. Everything in the link are things I DEFINITELY want in the thing.
I want 1440p 60fps consistent on a 1440p monitor. Don't want any LED (unless the board comes with it anyway) and only a single graphics card, a 1080
Budget is $3700 AUD, so about $3000 USD.
Someone please help fill in the blanks which motherboard/power supply do you recommend for this build? Overkill is FINE as long as it's within the budget.

>>62229852
>250gb SSD
>8gb HDD
Are you mental?

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>>62229808
NO
NOT LIKE THIS

>>62229858
Explain.
I have 5TB worth of shit to transfer from this computer to the new one. SSD is just for running windows and games and shit is it not?

>>62229652
You need to choose your ram very carefully. Also MOBO should be Carbon Pro or Tomahawk.

>>62229918
If you have that sort of money at least consider a 512GB SSD, 256GB is just so fucking little nowadays.

>>62229802
>>62229808
Just get the ISO with injected USB drivers, I'm doing updates right now.

>>62229852
>paying $165 for 4TB drives
Just get an external 8TB red for $160 and shuck the casing.

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PSU, SSD and cooler are free from a previous build.

How did I do?

Should I go top end Ryzen 7, or thread ripper 1900x?

>>62230096
If you're even considering a TR, why the lowest one?
Do you really need those extra PCIE lanes?

>>62230022
Shit MOBO, shit SSD, either get the 1600 or the 1700, no point to x editions.

You should also check that that RAM gets full speeds.

>>62228855
>1000+ MB
>chipset driver
ryzen was a mistake

>>62230096
It's a $500 difference, if you're even considering it go R7.

>>62230096
Unless you need the PCIe support for multiple vidya, there's literally no reason to go 1900X

>>62228540
1070 is pretty high already.
The graphics card is about 5 minutes to swap, the CPU takes a little longer because of the cooler, but no more than 10 minutes if you know what you're doing.

>>62230022
Make sure your cooler works with the AM4 socket

>>62228558
>Budget for the 7700K build is $200.
Why do you have that CPU if you have no money to build a computer?

Suggest me a good 144hz monitor <300euros. The main use will be gaming but i would like it to have decent colours too

>>62230215
Yeah, I had to buy a bracket from Jewsair for 4 dollars.

>>62230125
SSD is being ripped from my previous build so idc; justify the mobo complaint

>>62229180
They're all the same, the only difference is the cooler and a small factory OC.

>>62229586
That's a terrible gaming build.

>>62229936
>ITX
you're retarded

>>62229652
that sounds good.

>>62229852
>paying $135 for windows

I'm trying to video edit with 8gb of ram
What have I done

>>62230022
Looking good. I would just have gotten the 1600 since they overclock the same.

>>62230298
Didn't see the ITX, my mistake.

>>62230333
X versions might have a little more overclocking headroom, but probably not much

>>62230367
If you're willing to spend extra on the X it's usually worth going a full step up.

>>62230367
It would make sense, but I still haven't seen any data to corroborate that. All tests I've seen had them overclock the same or near enough.

>>62229936
>Also MOBO should be Carbon Pro or Tomahawk.
can you actually read you autist? he clearly went for ITX format. and msi is trash

>>62229652
make sure you pick ram from mobo's QVL.
you can get 1.1tb ssd for $68 more.
the rest looks good.

>>62230253
Viewsonic XG2401 or C24FG70FQU (curved, read about issues it has)

>>62230404
>msi is trash
Confirmed for doing 0 research into Ryzen motherboards.

Hey /g/, is this monitor good for casual gaming and getting some work done once in a while:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009996&ignorebbr=1
?

> ips
> 2560zx1440
>4ms
> 60hz

>>62230425
enjoy your 30s boot times

>>62230470
That's an HDD issue

>>62230480
google 'msi b350 boot times'. asrock is a better choice all around.

>>62227573
Prime 95 is a meme. Pick up AIDA64.

>>62227817
SLI is a meme.
Get yourself a 1080 Ti and be set at 1080p for 5+ years.

>>62230514
>asrock
lmao

>>62230514
No results saying the Carbon Pro has bad boot times. It's only a problem with the Mate which is shit anyway.

>>62230531
Retard here, what's SLI?

>>62230454
Its a good offer, you will really get your moneys worth out of it.

Go for it.

>>62230559
You connect multiple cards together to act as one.

Problem is that games dont always support it so its a waste of money unless you only play one game that does it. And even then it might be a waste due to system instability, stuttering issues, higher power consumption. Also investing in a motherboard and a psu that can handle the set up will cost extra so it usually ends up costing more per performance even from the start when compared to just buying a more powerful gpu.

Tldr sli is shit

>>62230559
Learn to use google, retard-kun.

>>62230559
SLI (Nvidia) and Crossfire (AMD) are technologies that allow multiple graphics cards to work in parallel. This, in theory, should increase performance by a bunch. In real world scenarios such as gaming and other workloads however, SLI can actually kill performance. This is mostly because devs literally don't give two shits about SLI/Crossfire and view it as a hassle to program for and optimize their programs.
Another shitty thing is that VRAM doesn't stack in SLI/Crossfire. Two 8GB cards won't mean you effectively have 16GB of VRAM. You're bound to whichever card has the lowest amount of VRAM.

It's best to get the single best card you can afford instead of two or more lesser cards. You'll have better and more stable performance and less hassle.

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>>62230551
>It's only a problem with the Mate which is shit anyway.

>>62230700
Old BIOS.

>>62230569
Thanks! It's been a while since I built a desktop, last time I had a 21.5" 1080p 100$ monitor from microcenter and it was ok, kinda lost when it comes to these mid/higher end screens.

I have a r5 1600 and rx480 8gb system, would you suggest a 144hz 1080p monitor or a 1440p 60hz one?

>>62227957
Just buy something like the AMD A8 9600 and buy a GPU later, that GPU will barely outperform an iGPU

Poverty
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MTjTLD

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https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3579345
And in part picker form:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dJhfzM

Planning on buying this set. My friend is giving me a GTX 970 and, after buying an SSD to throw in as well, I feel like this is my best option for a cheap but good gaming rig. Are there any individual pieces you guys think I should replace? The part picker price is only a few bucks cheaper than the newegg set, so I figured I'd just go through them unless a different configuration would do me better for about the same price. I'm mostly trying to build a solid enough base that I'll be able to replace just the GPU down the road when I decide I want prettier graphics.

>>62231151
I guess that will work to check facebook, but I would never do a build with a no-name PSU, not even for an cheap facebook machine.

can you put multiple i7s in a mobo that is explicitly for multiple xeons?

>>62231192
>locked cpu
No.

>>62231151
What are you going to use it for? Why not just get a Chromebook or something similar? That's going to be miserable to use without an SSD. And if you need a desktop then you can just pick up a used office machine for much less.

System I want:
>Linux host
>GPU passthrough to windows guest for gaming
>Uses are gaming, blender and unity

Ryzen 7? Thread ripper 1900x?

>>62231284
But what if I don't want to overclock?

>>62231192
That looks fine if that's what you want. The stock cooler on the cpu is a bit shit, so you may want to buy an aftermarket cooler, but you can always do that later.
And yes, adding an SSD in there would be nice.

That being said, going with a Ryzen build would be cheaper and offer you an easier upgrade path. They come with good stock coolers, can all be overclocked even on mid-range motherboards, are much better for multithreaded applications or multitasking, and are on a socket that's sure to be used for the next few years (whereas the current Intel motherboards are already guaranteed not to be compatible with the processors coming out this month).
You do get slightly worse single threaded performance with Ryzen though. But it shouldn't matter much with a 970, especially if you play at 1080p.
An equivalent Ryzen build would be something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hfDYxY

>>62231335
Thanks for the suggestion. Didn't realize that Ryzen would be the better option for future upgrading.

>>62231335
If you want an idea of what to expect re: Ryzen vs i5, here's a short article that compares the 1600X and 7600k:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3186811/computers/ryzen-5-review-vs-core-i5-ryzen-5-1600x-wins-for-best-mainstream-power-cpu.html

So as you can see, Ryzen is a little worse for gaming.
The gap is expected to close for upcoming games, but don't expect a 1600 to perform better than a 7700. It will perform absolutely well enough, though.
And even though you said you don't want to overclock, it is something to consider. Even if you don't do it right away, in a couple years when you get a nice GPU, a simple OC on the Ryzen (very easy to do) will make it match up with no need to throw it away for an upgrade.

>>62231151
>>62231296
You can just get something like this that has a much better CPU than the one you're looking at and spend the remaining 100 bucks on a 250GB SSD that can be reused for future builds.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkCentre-M81-Intel-Core-i5-2400-3-1GHz-4GB-Ram-No-HDD-/253078309473

1500$
Gayming.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FgbJLD

>>62231636
This is better:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LBWkNN

The 1700 is useless for gaming, the 1600 aready has more cores than games use. It will be faster.
But getting a 580 with that budget is sad. You can totally fit a 1080 in there.

Also you might as well go for the Flare X since it's known to work really well with Ryzen.

>>62231733
The Ripjaws set was on the QVL, but thanks for the edits. I'll go with that.

>>62231733
And you don't need an nvme ssd, or that motherboard, or that many fans, or that psu, but i left them all there since you have the budget.

Should i buy a 144hz or a 1440p monitor with a r5 1600 and an rx480 8gb

>>62227957
No. Just no.
This build is leagues better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N9PCxY

dual 4 cores or single 8 core assuming price and single core performance is the same?

>>62231636
>>62231733
Nah, this is better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3FMs2R

>>62231803
neither

>>62231803
Go for 1440p 60Hz.

>>62231907
Single 8 core.

>>62231919
X370 is useless, and the Flare X is worth getting. And that case is shit.
Getting a Ti can be worth it, but it means you have to make sacrifices in other aspects of the build to reach the budget.

>>62231803
If you don't already have a high refresh rate monitor, I suggest postponing it and get a monitor with higher resolution and better image quality.

I also recommend looking at the bigger 16:9 monitors. My brother just got a 1440p AMVA 32" monitor from Philips and the visual experience is well worth the money.

is there such thing as a reasonably priced 8 core intel processor on par with ryzen 7?

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>>62231979
That X370 is literally the same price as the other B350 board. Might as well go for X370.
Corsair RAM works just fine with Ryzen. IIRC LPX was one of the first kits to be officially approved to work with Ryzen.
Case isn't shit. Even if you think it is, OP can just get a different one that they like.

Literally didn't sacrifice anything. It's a better build.

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>>62232063
>reasonably priced
>intel
choose one

>>62231836
That celeron will never be better.

>>62232063
No, people are moving away from intel's overpriced housefires.

>>62232098
Little thing has some pretty decent single core performance which is needed for some good gaymon.
Keep in mind the price point here.

If I buy a new motherboard, does that mean I'll need another OS Licence?

Video encodes hitting 67°C on my CPU so might have to upgrade soon.

>>62232065
Dont fuck cases, it'll void the warranty

>>62232228
Why are you concerned about Operating Systems that you can pirate?

>>62232276
Can't legally use it professionally.

>>62227420

Why not go for a normal 1050 instead of the TI?

It's a 50$ price increase for a very minimal increase in performance.

>>62232228
What CPU? 67 is fine.

>>62232333
Intel i5-3450. Had it since I got this PC in 2012, even though I've upgraded GPUs a couple of times (now on 1060).

I thought the general consensus was that you're heavily encouraged to keep your CPU to be below 60°C?

>>62232228
>>62232286
only if it's oem
if you bought that copy of windows, you can use it on any pc but only one at a time

After using a [spoiler]gaming laptop[/spoiler] for a couple years now, I'm looking to build a new desktop. My old one doesn't really have anything salvageable beyond the case and disc drive, but I'll probably replace the case just so it looks shiny and new.

For CPUs, I'm reading that Intel's offer better performance but Ryzen's last longer and are generally preferred for future expansion. Does this hold true? Will an R5 be holding me back two years from now when I decide to upgrade my GPU or should I get an R7 now?

>>62232363
Get a 1700.

>>62232363
get an r 5
games cant take advantage of the extra cores

>>62228162

Where would you spend them besides the SSD?

There aren't any upgrades in that price range besides the CPU and its a waste with such a bottle neck on the GPU.

>>62232363
read >>62231335 and >>62231457

>>62232153
Sorry man but that celeron loses even in gaming.

Something is telling me it's a bad time to buy a PC right now? Is it?

>>62232431
Yes, but it won't get better soon.

>>62232431
It is

>>62232431
If you live in any other country than Denmark, yes.

>>62232353
I don't suppose there's any way to retrieve a key without a box or a piece of paper? My computer guy originally configured this PC, he's the biggest money grubbing chink I've ever seen, and only he could have the CD box. I'd rather not rely on him.

>>62232499
Why don't you google it

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>>62232515

Finished a pc build and migrated an ssd and hdd to my new tower, installing windows not and none of my drives can take windows, because all the disks have MBR partition tables. I thought you guys said stupid people could build computers? What do I do from here? I don't think I have an OS to go into to format the drives, and I tried formatting from the install wizard.

Right now I'm young to figure out how to disable UEFI sources so I can install windows, then I'll just re-enable them later. But...how?

>>62232625
Nigga you format them all and delete everything and make new partitions

R3 1300X + GTX 1060 3GB
or
i5 7500 + GTX 1050 Ti 4GB
or
RX 580 4GB + i3 7100
or
RX580 4GB + R3 1300X

These combos are about the same price where I live. The last two options are about $10-20 more expensive.

What should I get?

>>62232650
I tried but I guess I don't understand "format." In the install wizard there's a button that says "format," that button doesn't help any. I think I got somewhere by disabling UEFI for the time being, it's installing to my ssd now. Now I have to clean up the hdd and remove the partitions to use it as a dumping ground for vidya, right?

>>62232672
I'm pretty sure you also can get i3 7100 + 1060 which is obviously the best.

>>62232706
[citation needed]

>>62232672
I'm using the 1300x and 1060 6g, great combo and not a bad price. Currently running dirt rally on highest settings, do it

>>62232672
1200 and 580.
The 1200 and 1300X overclock to the same performance.

>>62232706
That would also be the cheapest option for me, but I'm completely out of the loop and am clueless how CPUs compare and what would give best value.

>>62232673
You should be able to format and do all the partition stuff in the windows installer itself before you even start installing windows, if it doesnt let you do that kind of stuff you need to dig around BIOS and find some hard drive related setting I don't remember and change it. I did that without even knowing what UEFI is and it just worked.

which GTX 1080 is the best one to choose?

>>62232803
Duke OC.

>>62232763
Tentatively optimistic, I changed some setting and got it to install to the ssd, looking around windows more and I'm gonna check out my drives and try to get the hdd going. Just for my own knowledge, it SHOULD be good to go, right? Currently it's only set to BOOT from the ssd, but, I can still access the hdd and use it to store things, right?

I only wanted the ssd for a few favorite games and windows itself. So, just because the hdd isn't available as a boot, that won't mean it'll be messed up as a storage bin?

>>62232706
those are the two worst choices.

>>62232754
http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2017/08/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-1200-vs-intel-core-i3-7300-7100/
R3 beats i3 7300.

>>62232353
So there is no way to transfer an OEM Licence? What if I upgraded to Windows 10 before switching Motherboards (I'm on 7 now)?

>>62232811
sadly not available in germany afaik

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6gMs2R

How is this for current video games at 1080p? How long will it be before I'm forced to upgrade?

>>62232958
go for 3200 mhz memory
Go for a better power supply with all black cables, preferably a semi--modular or fully modular

>>62232672
>RX580 4GB + R3 1300X
Your best choice. RX580 is the best 1080p card right now and Ryzen has a solid upgrade path.

>>62227268
I got a PC with and intel xeon W3450 and 16 GB DDR3 what graphics card should I put in it?

>>62232958
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7HHcXH

>>62232958
It's going to be your nemory and video card that you'd have to upgrade first.

>>62233126
much better.

>>62231322
>unless a different configuration would do me better for about the same price
Get the r5 1600

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I have a legitimate question, I have the 8320 but I also have an Intel system with a 2400s but I can upgrade it to a 3770 or a 3770k.... I'm in a need of cash would selling off my 8320 system and buying either 3770 be a good solution?

>>62232352
60° should be well within reccomended temperatures. You can upgrade, but it's not like your CPU is dying.

>>62233213
You'll be disappointed going from Vishera to Ivy, get something new, I'd only recommend Vishera to someone like myself coming off a 65nm cpu.

>>62231919
>>62232065
Any recommended coolers for this build?

>>62233313
If you get the 1600 unless you plan to do a super heavy OC use the stock cooler.

>>62227573
>>62230518
seconded, you can find keys for it on YT

>>62233347
Oh yeah my 8350 froze again on P95, sitting pretty at 4.2 again, this board really sucks, I didn't know how much LLC was crucial if you don't want to pump it full of volts

>>62232958
You'll probably want a better graphics card in a year or two really, unless you're satisfied with 1080p60 at medium settings.
The CPU should hold you for a while, like 4 or 5 years before you start hankering for more depending on your usage.

>>62233328
Thanks famalam

>>62233313
You don't need an X370 motherboard don't forget. But yes stock cooler is fine.

>>62233373
when I use P95 to stress my 4690k @4.6 it shoots straight up to 100C. AIDA64 keeps it at mid 60s and is much more accurate to what a real workload is like. P95 is just if you want to beat the shit out of your CPU.

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>tfw no high end X370 mATX that isn't Biostar

I have no need for dozen usb ports or multiple PCIe slots so those features are useless.

How do you feel about micro-ATX?

>>62233426
I have a micro-ATX. Not really much to say it isn't gigantic but it isn't tiny.

>>62233414
I might start playing with 4.4GHz again when doing rendering, but I'm just anal about absolute slammed FPUs being stable.

>>62233426
It's smaller than ATX but larger than mini ITX.

>>62233414

Newer versions of P95 use AVX and thats a great way to find out two things;

1) how good your cooling is
2) how stable your overclock is

>>62233401
>>62233328
If I bumped up to Ryzen 7 would that new stock cooler still be enough excluding OC?

>>62233464
Excluding OC, you will be perfectly fine. The question really comes down to if you actually want the CPU.

Did some minor tweeking and double-checked ram compatibility. Looking for some last minute opinions

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>>62233529
and once again i forgot to include the list

>>62232386
See
>>62231541

>>62233508
This will be my first build, so I'm just going for something that will run games / adobe suite well. I don't want to regret short-changing any parts in the long run.

>>62233588
The 1600 is absolutely fine for games.
>>62233549
Your CPU benefits from faster RAM so consider investing in 3200 MHz memory.

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Just for light gaming Overwatch and other multiplayer games. Just trying to update in the most cost effective way.


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dkp6wV

>>62233653
Looks good. I would reccomend faster memory, especially if you plan to stick with Ryzen.

>>62231251
No, Intel would never allow CPU's to jump the marketing divide.

>>62233653
If the SSD is only for a boot drive and/or some games on it then 120GB is enough, and put that money towards faster RAM. 1200 is fine if you're only going to play games.

>>62233724
I wish but im trying to do this the cheapest i can since this won't be my main pc.

Are mechanical keyboards a meme?

>>62232326
There is a $10 price difference over here.
$35 at most.

>>62233743
No. They are a luxury item.

>>62233759
Will I get better at fightans if I have one?

>>62233743
Not if you buy real keyboards and not gaymur shit with their own switches.

>>62228855
>1GB Chipset driver
What the fuck AMD.

>>62233774
Get a stick.

>>62233797
I don't want tooooooooo, theyre fucking expensive

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>>62233734
Some faster ram different SSD.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ypyhQV

>>62230224
>Why do you have that CPU if you have no money to build a computer?
Yeah, I'm asking fate that, myself. I may just sell it. The 7700K seems to be a massive lemon of a CPU. Intel can't even manufacture a fucking CPU where it doesn't meltdown under load.

You shouldn't need to use a $150 water cooler or a fucking vice to keep a processor from destroying itself.

>>62233815
>Sticks
>Expensive
What?

>>62233835
This looks good. Go for this.

>>62234026
The actually good ones are expensive, the garbage chinese ones are cheap af.

>>62233867
If you can't get the budget for the build around the CPU and can't integrate it into anything currently your only real option is to sell it.

>>62234041
Yeah. Buy a cheap af one and then decided if you wanna get good at it before investing in a good stick.

If I can afford a Ryzen 7 should I go ahead and get it for gaming? I know that currently the difference between R5 and R7 is close enough to be unnoticeable, but will that change in the future? Will there be a point where the R7 will be able to handle things the R5 can't?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JywWpb

I'm upgrading for PUBG, is 1600 overkill for this? also i already have the power supply will it be enough?

>>62234109
>for gaming
No, get a 1600. They will both be obsolete by the time the 1700 gets better in games than the 1600.

>>62234115
What resolution and refresh rate? Should be great for 1080p and 60+ fps.

>>62234115
>>62234138
Also, get an SSD.

>>62234115
>is 1600 overkill for this?
No, PUBG needs all the CPU it can have to run correctly. That should be a good build for it for 1080p60.

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Anything particularly wrong with this? Used for pretty much only gaymen. I'm grabbing an R7 instead of an R5 because some of the stuff I play is quite CPU heavy, and I also do a fair bit of emulation.
I'm just waiting for the 56 to come back into stock before I order anything else. I'm gonna see if I can snatch one before stock is drained again.
I understand the vega 56 isn't the strongest for 4k gaymen, I already have a VG248QE I'll be using primarily for the heavy stuff. The 4k panel will be used for the light things until I decide to swap out the vega later down the line.
Is the MSI B350 a good mobo?

Also I just realized how expensive a decent 16GB kit is, what the fuck happened to RAM in the past few years? I haven't build a PC since about 2012.

>>62233835
How is that case?

>>62234161
>some of the stuff I play is quite CPU heavy, and I also do a fair bit of emulation
What games and emulators? None of the ones I know of will use more than 4 cores.

Is an 1800x and a 1080ti enough for PUBG 1440p 144Hz?

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>>62233414
I got AIDA64, runs just fine at 4.4 but I still don't trust it with long videoencodes, still a great stock OC for gayming, I don't call this board a complete loser.

>>62234161

Looks good, but now days you can get a much better case than the 300r for the price. Ram prices are high for multiple reasons though. Mostly factory got destroyed by tsunami/hurricane or some shit, phones are using more ram than ever and starting to use ddr4, monopoly.

>>62234182
Space Engineers and Beam.NG come to mind. I also spend a lot of time in PCSX2, and certain games only run well in software mode, and I would like a CPU that can handle that.

>>62234184

You won't be getting 144fps constantly if ever during game play, game is just unoptimized. You'll get above 60 for sure though, prob in the 100s so it's not like the monitor will go unutilized

>>62234260
A 1700 isn't any faster than a 1600, it just has more cores. If those games don't use over 6 cores, don't bother.

>>62234296
Sweet, thanks. Maybe I'll try it then.

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r8

>>62234390
>Ryzen 5
>PSU is of good quality
Ram is a little slow, but i'd build.

>>62234390
get faster ram.

>>62234390
3200MHz RAM or bust.

>tfw my 3200MHz RAM isn't supported yet
They'll fix it in a BIOS update, right?

>>62233835
I'd go with a Kingston or Sandisk SSD but it looks good

I'm buying a Ryzen motherboard, is there any way to make sure it ships with updated BIOS/UEFI/whatever to support Ryzen 5?

>>62234309

Only thing is I'd get either the Ryzen 1700(if you really Need 8c/16t) or Ryzen 1600. Both can overclock to 1800x performance(if not 95%) but both cost significantly less. Just food for thought if you want to save money or put the money towards something else like peripherals or a better cooler, etc.

>>62234560
ask the UPS man to do it for you

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>>62234224
glad it kind of worked out for you

So the AMD A10 9700 and A12 9800 are new am4 apus? Are they any good? How do they compare the the R3 1200?

>>62234663
>buying 4cores in 2017

Pc is basically finished lads, just need to get a vega 56 or 1070 for my build...

What x370 board should i go with on my new build, i had a gigabyte picked out with good reviews but apparently it fucking is frying CPUs and people keep saying gigabyte is shit so. I'd like to keep it under 150 but Ill go higher if i have to. I do plan on overclocking (ryzen 5 1600)

>>62234173
It is pretty good I got it for like 30 dollars.

>>62234832
So either it will never be finished or you will have to sell the rest of the parts to buy a gpu.

>>62234874
Why X370? And why not overclock?

>>62234888
Is it metal or plastic? How's the cable management?

>>62234832
name of the game is amd cpu and nvidia gpu now chump

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I vote this next op pic

>>62235170
nobody looks at the OP pics anyway

>>62235289
I chuckled, dude was roughing up some AMD FX hardware on the lowest end chipset you can run it on, but it's still ridiculous.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x22JLD


r8 and h8

holding off on gpu for now for obvious reasons, will be using my r9 390

>>62235413
Other motherboard, ASRock is well known for making low quality ones.

>>62235444

i get this about every single motherboard manufacturer no matter what i pick

it has 5 stars on newegg what else would you recommend

>>62235449
The only bad motherboard makers are Gigabyte for low end stuff and ASRock.
ASUS makes good motherboards but has shady warranty.
Everything else is fine.

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>>62230022
>overclocking on a cheap Massive Shit International board

>>62235413
>Asrock
>HAF Case
Anon, I...

>>62235449
not him but for mobos either msi or asus

also, aren't 390s notorious for their power draw? might want to bump up the wattage on your psu for optimal loads

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Labor day sales

So tempting... Probably worth waiting for black Friday though

>>62235489

>390s notorious for their power draw?

Any hawaii chip will eat shit a shit psu alive.

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I'm so desperate for a GPU I'm thinking of blowing 450 on a Taiwanese 1070

When's this fucking shitty market going to recover from eth

>>62235561
Buy a Danish 580 instead anon.

>>62235561
nigga calm down and think

what need have you for a gpu right now? Tell me explicitly in one sentence what you need it for. If you can't, you can wait

>>62235444
>
asrock is totally fine and makes good to great boards.

>>62235413
Looks good, I'd add an SSD in there and a better case.

>>62235592
gay men
I'm so tired of JUST waiting™

>>62234832
56 is better but it sucks more power

>>62235643

oh i forgot to mention i have a SSD already ill be reusing

>>62232382
I'm pretty sure a 1700 beats a 1600 in all gaming scenarios possible.

>>62235591
Go up to the 1600.
Get faster RAM, 3200 MHz is ideal, but at least 2800.
Get a 6GB 1060, the 3GB is not good. The lack of VRAM is bad enough, but it's also slower than the 6GB.

>>62235668
Fair enough. Just get a better case and you're all set then.

>>62235680
Show the numbers.

>>62235682
All that costs money anon

>>62235644
I mean what gaymen do you specifically need a 1070 for? A 1050ti is a good card to tide you over, you can at least play the games on low or probably medium, and older stuff (like, 2014 and older) will be handled on high or max

>>62235701
https://youtu.be/Svwus0dEWyE?t=6m1s

>>62235680
It does, but the performance gain versus the price increase is minimal

>>62235720
Do you want it to be good or do you want it to be shit?

>>62235170
The tiny tabasco bottle is the thing that gets me every time.

>>62235753

>literally no change

>>62235769
>Do you want it to be good or do you want it to be shit?
I want it to be a good value replacement for my potato

>>62235754
Yes of course, we agree. But if one has the money they should go for the 1700 which comes below 300 bucks nowadays. +2c/4t for less than 100 bucks is amazing value.

>>62235753
>literally same fps in every game
>except a 3% gain in Ashes, the one game that's optimized for Ryzen
what

>>62235795
No. It's like buying a 1500W PSU because you can afford it. It's retarded.

>>62235827
Oh alright so being able to do more multitasking and a smoother overall experience is the same as having extra useless watts in your book?

>>62235795
why 1700 though? at the moment, the 1700X is the same price. Just get a decent cooler.

>>62235795
better save those 100 bucks and save it to upgrade to Zen2 or Zen2+

>>62235851
>smoother overall experience
In what scenarios? We're talking about video games. Unless you're literally rendering video at the same time the 1700 has 0 advantage.

Please help.
Budget: 1000$
Games: Overwatch, BF4 etc
Monitor: No ;_;

>>62235925
So you're going to play by sound alone?

>>62235869
If you OC the 1700 you get a 1700X. I get that my proposal of buying a 1700 anyway if you have the money wouldn't always be the smartest one for everyone but buying a 1700X or 1800X is just plain dumb (unless you're looking to buy a better binned chip or already have a cooler).

>>62235890
You have to keep in mind that during those benchmarks we see all over Youtube nothing is opened behind, it's just the game and fraps. In real scenarios you'd have other stuff opened, like a dozen of tabs, music, discord, etc, and this is where the 1700 will matter and give better lows than a 1600. It'll matter even more if you occasionally stream shits to friends or want to record yourself.

>>62235935
>a dozen of tabs, music, discord, etc, and this is where the 1700 will matter
Fuck no. Games use 4 cores at the MOST. You don't need a 1700 for a few chrome tabs and discord. The 1600 will do more than fine for that.

>>62235934
No, I want also a reco for monitor.
At this moment I have a laptop so...

1600 overclocks better, in most older games 1700 would perform worse

>>62235925
You have any parts available at home?

>>62235950
>Games use 4 cores at the MOST.
then explain why there is such a performance gain going from the Ryzen 1500X (4 core, 7 thread) to the 1600 (6 core, 12 thread)

>>62235950
>like a dozen of tabs, music, discord, etc, and this is where the 1700 will matter
kill yourself, mindless amdrone. browser tabs sit in memory and barely use any cpu, so does playing music. even pentium can do this.

>>62235995
>4 core, 7 thread)
4 core, 8 thread*

>>62235935
>Having anything open when gaming
LOL

>>62229031
Nice got a 1080 for 450 and after selling the two rx570s for double the price I basically got a gtx 1080 for 250 dillars with a bit of social skills. Social engineering a best.

>>62235993
Sadly, no, I have a laptop.
But I could use my TV as a monitor.

>>62235995
Is there?

>>62235795
if one has the money they should get an i9

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>that guy who PUSHES the CPU down onto the motherboard instead of letting it plop

I'm this anon: >>62235925
This is what I made: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jPYkNN
I'm missing peripherals however I think this is solid. Anyway to make this better?

>>62236038
TVs are awful for gaming.

>>62236191
Well, anon, any good monitor that doesn't rapes my budget?
This is my build atm: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jPYkNN

>>62236219
>>62236219
>>62236219
>>62236219
>>62236219

>>62236219
>>62236219
>>62236219

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Current desktop uses an i5 2500k and a gtx 970. Would throwing $550 at a 1080 be worth it over getting a new cpu (1700x) for playing, say, guild wars 2?

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>>62236113
I just placed mine on the socket and nudged it tell it fell in.

>>62236049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY_NXmEUvjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svwus0dEWyE

When exactly will gpu prices come down again?

>>62233745
Oh that's a different matter then.

Where I'm at its 50ish bucks so it's not worth it.

>>62236149
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D6jdkT

>>62236422
Next bitcoin market crash