Trump to scrap U.S.-S. Korea free trade agreement

>>62225230
>Amerifats, are you ready for price of anything that contains semiconductors, everything from iPhone to cars to missiles, to rise by 3~15% in the next 12 months?

this is what gooks actually believe

>>62225230
>>>/pol/
faggot

>>62225236
its true thought, everything sillicon is almost made in korea.
not even china

>>62225230
let the shitshow begin
I'll get the memes and webms ready

>>62225230
>3%
I think we'll manage

Bump. This is important.

>>62225230
Japan makes better semiconductors, cars, electronics etc

korea is just a shitty and cheap japan

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>>62225265
>everything sillicon is almost made in korea.

lol

>>62225230
Good. When do we get Zenith back again?

>>62225303
No it's not

>>62225310
Zenith was bought up by LG for its HDTV-related patent portfolio.

>>62225317
Exactly. LG is Korean, when does Zenith come back to us?
I recently came across a Zenith computer from '82, manual is comfy and incredibly detailed (to the pinout level in some cases)

>>62225341
When the average wage and labor standards in the U.S. falls to Chinese level, you might get your low-end electronics manufacturing back.

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>>62225230
Based GEOTUS as always

>>62225230
Trump knows what he's doing.

There are only 4 companies on planet earth that can make the grade of chips required for modern systems. These are TSMC (Taiwan), GlobalFoundries(Dubai), Intel and Samsung. Samsung and Intel are basically the top 2, and it's expected that both Samsung and Intel will buy out the other 2 remainders including that shady Dubai holding corp.

This is Trump letting least best Korea know "Fuck you I'll tax the shit out of Samsung and force you to open a factory here" because he wants a cut of that global monopoly.

>>62225430
Pro tip: TSMC is worth more than Intel as of late 2016. Intel can't buy out either TSMC or GF. Samsung, which has weird holding structure, can't do stock-swap to buy companies, so something as large as TSMC or GF is out of reach.

Basically, stop writing retarded fan-fiction for our precious senile orange man's "4D Chess" meme.

>>62225454
You provide absolutely no evidence to backup your claims. Stop letting your hatred for trump cloud your judgement. You come off stupid.

>>62225430
TSMC and GF cannot produce the nm scale of either Intel or Samsung. They are the two true leaders and once they figure out the power req both GF and TSMC will be delegated to making chips for toasters and irrelevant in the future of silicon mfg game. They already are irrelevant basically just they persist because crappy, imperative programmed shitty devices have flooded the earth for a few years.

>>62225488
>I provide no evidence for my bullshit proposition, but you must provide hard evidence to show my bullshit is bullshit

kys

>>62225512
>point with no evidence
>counterpoint with no evidence
you're both retarded

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>>62225527

And you're retarded for pointing out that they're retarded.

>>62225430
>This is Trump letting least best Korea know "Fuck you I'll tax the shit out of Samsung and force you to open a factory here" because he wants a cut of that global monopoly.

Samsung already has a massive factory (the second largest one they have in the world) in Austin, Texas fabbing shit for Apple, Qualcomm, and Nvidia.

>>62225552
And samsung will build the biggest, most beautiful factory in the UNITED STATES because we are the only country that truly matters.

>>62225496
Intel can't into 7nm and their 10nm will be shit, and GloFo has their paws on IBMs Nazi 7nm.

>>62225565
>one of the highest wages to workers
No one with a brain will build any factories in US, lol.

>>62225552
They still import a lot of their devices though, Trump has been working on this for a while https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-samsung-twitter-tweet-manufacturing-factory/

This is Trump's playbook, find some enterprise closely entwined our outright owned by a state and then leverage them to force manufacturing in the US instead of their own countries. He can get away with this because the US is still the biggest market.

Yes there's a big middle class market in China or Yuropoor, but regulations are brutal in Yuropoor and nobody likes to deal with China, they are Trump on steroids and there's zero legal resources there to protect yourself, there still is in the US a judge can overthrow a gov decision but not in China.

>>62225230
>>>/pol/
You're just as cancerous as the /pol/acks that shat up this board and you're not helping.

>>62225565
Samsung's largest customer, at country level, is China, not the United States.

For it to make sense for Samsung to build a massive factory in the U.S., U.S. and China must enter into trade agreement where China will tax semiconductor exports from the U.S. less than semiconductor exports from S. Korea.

Currently, exports from S. Korea is taxed lower in China than exports from the U.S.

Paradoxically, the only way for Trump to get high-tech manufacturing to increase beyond internal U.S. consumption level is to sign an FTA with China.

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>>62225230
TECHNOLOGY

>>62225304
Not really true anymore.

Japan does make some good cars still, still make the best discrete capacitors and some other components there, but the majority of the best electronic stuff is made in South Korea now by the likes of LG and Samsung.
Sony and Canon still have a place in the camera sensor market though.

>>62225565
big if true

>>62225430
>This is Trump letting least best Korea know "Fuck you I'll tax the shit out of Samsung and force you to open a factory here" because he wants a cut of that global monopoly.
>samsung dumps the tax onto the american companies
GJ Trump.

>>62225230
i hope it's true because im tired of everyone and their mother walking around with their faces glued to their new iphones

fucking hate millennials so much i swear to god

>>62225626
They make more money in the US though because China requires more bribes than opening a concrete company in NYC. They may do more business in China, but overall profit is all US market.

Everybody wants in the US market because it actually is the most "free" in terms of not having to bribe people to sell there. Even in UK/commonwealth, you have to pay a gigantic tax and follow a billion regulations to do anything. Germany and EU require something like 2 years of negotiations just to agree to a framework for discussions, look how long it took Canada to get an EU trade agreement.

>>62225689
Sony is still king with camera sensors, fuck gookshit
>>62225700
t. millenial virgin

>>62225700
is this the same kind of thinking that anti-net neutrality posters have too?

>>62225700
i've noticed it's mainly only females that do that. Females are obsessed with themselves anyway so it's really no surprise. Now they have portable handheld computers so they can check their facebook likes and instagram comments every second.

>>62225722
im gen X

>>62225730
idk im not anti-net neutrality so don't ask me

>>62225757
possibly, but i see it in a lot of males as well, there are tons of people who will never lay their eyes off their phones even during conversations. and your typical starbucks socialist has about 8 apple products and needs to show them off constantly

>>62225730
Pointing out society's overdependence on technology isn't equivalent to criticizing net neutrality.
They're two entirely different things.

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>/g/ hates the NAND cartel
>/g/ hates breaking a trade agreement that benefits only the NAND cartel

>>62225230
>Amerifats, are you ready for price of anything that contains semiconductors, everything from iPhone to cars to missiles, to rise by 3~15% in the next 12 months?

Increase prices by fucking 1000%

It'll be a good thing. We'll open up semiconductor manufactories here instead of in asia. Then we'll get even lower prices than before and even better hardware.

Competition isn't a bad thing, and it's high time we had industries back in the us instead of overseas.

>>62225722
Camera sensors are a tiny portion of the overall technology market.

>>62225700
>shallow, frivolous people you wouldn't want cognizant of anyway withdrawing from reality when in public

I hate fads too but I cannot for one second see how this is a bad thing.

>>62225806
t. average American's understanding of economics

>>62225693
Not if with trump- its WHEN!

>>62225594
>implying US manufacturing hasn't been at its highest point in the past decade
>implying once the corporate tax rate is closer to 15% people won't rush back here

>>62225626
You're the only one with a semi-intelligent response however I think trade between china and the US will change bigly under trump administration. No more devaluation, etc

Really stupid move but not at all surprising coming from rump

>>62225543
i bet u suck dick lmao

>>62225844
big when true

>>62225236
Do you know how much stuff Samsung makes?

>>62225230
I support our president.

>>62225906
we should be making that stuff in the US

>>62225802
Free trade benefits consumers, the whole purpose is to lower the price of goods. It does have the potentially undesirable side effect of driving domestic goods out of the market but consumers just get more affordable options.

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>>62225806
>americans actually believe this

DANAL BPLUMPF

>cheap electronics and high unemployment
or
>expensive electronics and low unemployment

Can't you greasy neckbeards make one sacrifice for the good of the United States?

>>62225939
none of us are allowed to get jobs, idiot.

these jobs are for retarded out of work boomers. we're still slaves.

politics are a lie. it's all a show.

>>62225939
The problem is that nobody is going to move their factory to the U.S. just so that they can sell their product to Americans 12% cheaper.

It's just going to be 12% more expensive for Americans without any added jobs.

>>62225939
would rather keep the cheap chink/gook/etc shit

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>>62225230
>Amerifats, are you ready for price of anything that contains semiconductors, everything from iPhone to cars to missiles, to rise by 3~15% in the next 12 months?
Americans are stupid and have too much money, the least they could do while screwing themselves over on an international scale is let everyone else profit from it.

>>62225430
yes bravo donald! raise tariffs on electronics when they're already trading at hideously inflated prices and piss off key asian players right when war with nk is more likely than ever before! it's doubly brilliant when you take into account that glofo and tsmc will be bought out soon because as;dh5o3534jfghawh34o;a;sdf. really looking forward to micron's memory monopoly in particular. brilliant stuff.

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>>62225922

>>62225939
Give me the cheap shit, not my problem that other people are out of work.

>>62225939
You're not going to get either one.

Free trade agreements are a good thing and trying to remove them and revert back to tariffs on goods is ultimately just going to backfire by harming the economy. It is better to invest in markets that are strong so displaced workers can get new jobs in those areas instead and then they can afford to benefit from cheaper goods.

>>62225957
>>62225960
>>62225965
Look at all these Benedict Arnolds.

I bet you all go to Berkeley and wave communist flags while screaming Russia hacked the election.

>>62226008
/g/ is a reddit colony

>>62225230
This is not a technology thread. Saged and reported.

>>62226008
>point out flaws in argument
>"hurr you must be a traitor, you traitor cunt, you retard libururururruruurl, herp derp"

>>62225939
>this is going to create jobs in the USA
Not fucking likely.

The US wants to be Brazil 2.0 it seems.

>>62226008
>free trade and not-overpriced goods are for traitors and commies!
what alternate universe did you come from

>>62225939
Unemployment is already low, you cuckold.

Economists almost universally agree free trade is good for a reason.

>>62226008
>my fault the fags couldn't get into STEM or another money degree
oh librul brainwashing centers or someshit right?

>>62225978
Dead meme

>>62225265
AMD is made in america so i don't give a fuck

>>62225230
>>>/b/

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At least get some posture, Trump!

> everything from iPhone

The iPhone is not made in Korea, it's made in China.

Even if some components are made in Korea, Apple ships finished phones from China.

>>62226003
>cheaper goods.
For the record "cheaper" doesn't necessarily mean good.
Countries like China are known for dumping their shit quality goods here (everything from defective steel to electronics)
But hey, at least it's cheap...

>>62225230
Good. What have those prudish, scrawny gooks ever done for US

>>62226068
not on /pol/, faggot

>>62226073

lol?

Malaysia, America?

Fuck Fuck Fuck. I was considering buying a new computer. Do I do it now?

Countries will be less willing to join with the US on these agreements in the future because they wont be able to trust the US to uphold them.

I don't know where he gets the idea that the US is losing money on these deals we get cheap goods and they get money. They also buy our goods, they just don't buy the same amount. Korea also has a much smaller population and is not really capable of buying the same amount of goods. Most countries would struggle to match the US 1:1 on trade.

>>62226147
drumpf is probably going to chicken out like he did many times before
at the end of the day he's just a globalist

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>>62226094
What if we made some kind of guidelines that goods had to follow like for health, safety, and environmental things and if goods do not fit within the guidelines they get confiscated at the border? We could call them "regulations."

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>>62225230
>korea
>me, an intellectual, knows all the tech I care about comes from China and Taiwan.
kek

>>62225906
>Cletus thinks making a modern cpu is the same as making spare parts for his rusty 30 year old f-150
Okk....

>>62226202
Woops >>62225913

>>62226184
The crappy imports from China- this has been going on for years, even with regulations. Don't be so naive.

>>62226184
Japan actually does this to curtail imports of shitty crap from China.

If you go to a store in Japan, there are still low-cost "Made in Japan" household goods because once you set the minimum quality bar high, Japanese "light manufacturing" (cheap consumer goods usually made of plastic like utensils, toys, etc.) is still competitive against China.

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>>62226008
>disliking taxes/tariffs is communism

>>62225230
We're going to build that ourselves now. American workers making electronics for Americans. Fuck the rest of the world.

>>62226073
>from germany and then send to malasya
yeah america

>>62226094
thats is because you are fine with that cheap shit and they still selling it, china is pretty capable of making non shit products at affordable prices.
see /csg/

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>>62226184
>mfw dumbfuck /pol/acks actually believed drumpf was going to 'drain the swamp' of industry lobbyists but ended up appointing scott pruitt to head the EPA

>>62225939
>low unemployment
Do you have to be retarded to be American? No factory will break even in the US without massive automation because of how much higher are wages.
At best if Samsung doesn't decide to say fuck you and sell tariff'd goods you'd get a shiny new factory with 5 employees.

>>62225844
>implying US manufacturing hasn't been at its highest point in the past decade
Yeah, the decade after a massive financial crisis. Still a fraction of what it was at 15 years ago
>implying once the corporate tax rate is closer to 15% people won't rush back here
You understand labor accounts for 60% of corporate expenses on average right?

>>62225377
>when the goalposts move from Korea to China
Hello Chaim.

>>62226856
>implying American companies manufacture shit in S. Korea where labor cost is as high as Europe

>>62226856
Where do you think samsung manufactures it shit you idiot?

>>62225960
>The problem is that nobody is going to move their factory to the U.S. just so that they can sell their product to Americans 12% cheaper.
Toyota, Hyundai, Honda, VW, Audi, Fiat... all did exactly this with less than 12% incentive.

>>62225430
>le 5d chess

>>62226902
When Toyota first built U.S. factories, auto tariff was more like 30%.

>>62226874
>implying it is more cost effective to manufacture in the US rather than SK
Thanks for adding to my point.

>>62226879
>implying nothing is manufactured in SK
Wew, are you just too upset to think or what?

>>62226940
What I meant is that manufacturing that's done in S. Korea right now is not labor cost-sensitive manufacturing.

Companies continue to manufacture there because workers who are skilled enough to work on the product don't exist in third-world countries or it's going to be very time-consuming and/or cost intensive to train new workers in another country to learn a specific set of skills needed for manufacture, nullifying any cost saving from lower labor costs.

So, how do these jobs, which couldn't move to China for these reasons, move from S. Korea to the U.S. because the U.S. made the tariff higher?

It's going to be just as expensive and risky (if not more) to train American workers to do skilled work S. Korean workers are doing, and when you're done training, you end up with labor force that's more costly by about 30% on ongoing basis.

>>62225230
Couldn't we just have best korea make that stuff? I mean then it has the added possibility to make it easier to get along with them

>>62226940
The vast majority of manufacturing for Korean electronics companies does not happen in South Korea

>>62226324
The actual dies are made in USA (NY and TX). The wafers are sent to Malaysia to be packaged into individual CPUs.

>>62227068
We don't know how much of the Ryzen dies are manufactured in East Fishkill, New York at former site of IBM's fabs and how much is made in Dresden or even South Korea (multi-sourcing agreement with Samsung after GloFo exclusivity expired -- if GloFo can't deliver on time, AMD can ask Samsung to manufacture).

>>62226986
Shit man that sounds terrible. Guess that's just how it is though. Nothing you can do about it. South Korean jobs have to go to the US just like mestizos have to migrate to American and African Muslims into Europe.

>>62225406
>GE
What does he mean by this?

>>62225939
Since I already have a stable job I'll take cheap electronics and high unemployment thank you very much.

Why pay more with no benefit to me?

>>62227242
Unemployment disproportionately impacts women and minorities you fucking bigot.

>>62225906
>be trump
>make lodes o mone
>obingbong fills street with looting melains
>fuk dat guy im presiden now
>shit i gotta lern abot other countris now?
>uh
>my smrtphone
>its made in corer?
>that same place ran by the witch cult right next to the biggest nuclear schizophrenic in the world?
>fuk u
>u get taxed
>no competition
>micron ur samsung now
>here's qualcomm's number
>a few months later...
>SK in ruins from nukes and witch cult revolution
>clean entire peninsula up
>let the slant-eyes have the mountains of mines to the north
>build mcdonalds everywhere else
>smartphone went up in price by 15$ when all's said and done, perfectly on tract with inflation
AMERICA ALWAYS WINS BABY

Good. Time for the Jews to stop sending our jobs overseas so they can line their pockets.

>>62226073
>AMD is assembled in america so i don't give a fuck
Fixed!!

>>62225308
looks like a blinky bill character or something

>>62225230
>>>/pol/

>>62225722
Still crap in their very own phones.

>>62225304
>>62225689
Is there any cutting edge fab in Japan? It's quite incredible how they lost the lead after the early 2000's

>>62227710
They make lasers every fab use.

>>62225802
bad logic

Americans blame the jews for having wealth from corrupting the government.

>>62225496
You know Intel has the worst next gen process right? TSMC, Samsung and GloFo are leading Intel, without delays unlike Intel
Even the chinks are catching up to Intel now
>>62225715
>They make more money in the US though because China requires more bribes than opening a concrete company in NYC. They may do more business in China, but overall profit is all US market.
No, it isn't
You don't need to care about bribes in China when the end product it's sold by chinks themselves, specially since there's literally no semiconductor company able to compete with Samsung at all in China and Taiwan

>>62225802
>fuck the NAND cartel but we better cut the gooks of it and make it just jewis... I mean totally american and patriotic!

>>62226833
Semiconductor fabrication is ridiculously high-skill, I'm 100% certain that the labor cost differences are negligible compared to profit no matter what country the factory is located.

>>62225939
Literally what a communist would say

>>62226430
>forgetting Ajit Pai and the entire cadre of Goldman Sachs executives
Just business as usual tbqh

>>62227751
>literally saying Adam Smith was a commie
Your education was worthless.

>>62227802
>scottish intelligence
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope

will this affect the price of my precious LG V30?

>>62227858
Buy American. Buy nothing. :^)

>>62225430
>force you to open a factory here

When China is expected to become even more powerful as an economic state within the next half decade? Wouldn't it make more sense for SK microprocessor and semiconductor producers to sell to China, who have just as lax regulations concerning their business economy (as evidenced by the numerous smartphone companies, electronic manufactures, etc) where they can make more net gain from their investments than in the US where new regulations and tariff restrictions are being considered for implementation?

I think moving production to American and creating employment opportunities is an admirable thing to do, but China is too big and too lax a market to not invest in, smart south korean investors will put their money in super loose, super full chinese pockets where they're guarunteed a return in full with a billion chinks buying smartphones with SK semiconducters and microprocessors.

This Trump (n)D chess is becoming a serious exercise in mental gymnastics at this point.

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>>62225230
I've got my computer hardware secured for this timeline. The rest of you anons were told to do the same.

> Pull it

Since when did g become anti-freemarket statist trash? What's up with all these comments praising populism?

>>62228145
/pol/ is leaking. I remember some years ago you could still find outspoken lolbertarians in /pol/, now it's buried by demagoguery threads.

>>62228145
ever since /pol/ has become too large to be contained. it gives /tv/ a run for its money in terms of its runoff to other boards

>>62225700
Is it truly so bad to be able to do something interesting with your phone instead of just standing there bored looking at the floor?

I really don't get you people.

>>62227899
Fancy new automated factories aren't going to need many low IQ blue collar Trump supporters to staff them.

>>62225230
Markets set prices not costs.

Gobble that globalist propaganda down you coprophag.

>>62228766
Uneducated works don't want to nor do do any work. Fuck em. I'll take those sweet maintenance jobs tho.

>>62228145
The media is feeding the uneducated a steady diet of anarcho-marxism. Expect all facets of life populated by the subnormal to become very grim.

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>>62225230
US will be irrelevant in 2020.

>>62228237
I still have no idea what kino is.

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never forget

>>62225552

but those companies are dodging the MAGA concept.

Only AMD is true patriots, if Samshit started fabbing for AMD, it would be good

>>62225230
Glad I have my X200 with libreboot and don't plan on buying any other electronic devices in the next 10 years.

>>62225230
implying poo in loos and chinks can't make it cheaper

>>62225230
Good

>>62225689
It's true. LG offers the best bootloop experience thanks to their superior korean soldering technique.

>>62226856
China has lower wages than S. Korea, goofus

Remember when conservatives used to care about free trade?

>>62229318
This. We shouldn't be saving manufacturing jobs at the cost of lowering worker wages. That will just revert us into a developing country. China would love to switch places with us, and we're letting them with dumbass protectionism policies. Yeah China is making beaucoup bucks but that means shit to a normal person when you get awesome infrastructure but a per capita GDP of $8000.

Let manufacturing jobs die. Encourage people to seek employment in industries that actually need people.

>>62231844
Fuck off kike

>>62231844
>Trump
>conservative

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>>62231889

Trump is actually circumventing the DRAM/SSD/etc price hike by this. More taxes on Samsung, less profit.

Who cares, worst korea going to be nuked by best Korea anyway.

>>62227200
God Emperor