am I the only person on /g/ who actually likes Gnome3?

I'm very new to non windows machines. I just put freebsd on old pc I'm turning into vpn server. I installed xfce on it because not having a gui was intimidating but still using the terminal all the time.

I don't know why I posted this here, but I like xfce thus far

>>62181829
Yes

>>62181882
xfce is nice, especially on old PCs, it's pretty minimal/ugly compared to the heavier DEs like gnome/kde/mate etc

>>62181829
Yes.
Installed debian with this today after my win died, gone back to linux mint mate

>>62181897
I like the fact that you have to configure it to start up yourself; teaches a bit for a newbie like me

>>62181829
I like it too, at least how it is today - not how it was 3 years ago.

Also it's the only one which has a lot of paid contributors alongside already being very popular by the standards of free contributors.

We will still see this desktop environment going 20 years from now as no ones shows interest yet in contributing financially to kde.

>>62181934
Gnome 3 needs extensions and addons to work

>>62181829
yes

>>62181944
I use none and I do not share your opinion, watcha gonna do?

>>62181974
i say bullshit

>>62181944
What's wrong with this? It comes with no bloat, then you pick what you want. I quite like this system.

>>62182028
Well you got me, I'm not even using gnome 3 - I just like it. Since your comment I went and googled a little and it seems like yea most reputable people online have to say something about lack of stuff heads on but the extensions are in reach and easy to apply, tho I bet they're made by other users and would mess shit up in the long term.

>>62182073
I dunno, I only started using gno3 today but a lot of the popular extensions have been consistently updated for years.

>>62181829
yes

>>62181829
I like it as well

>>62181944
no it doesn't

Gnome is just shit. Gnome, GTK, and Red Hat are a cancer on Linux and they need to fucking die.

Problems:
>No features out of the box
>You have to rely on shitty JavaScript extensions written by shitty randoms to finish it and give you features
>Buggy and unstable
>Bloated, uses up more RAM and CPU than other DEs like Plasma
>Disgusting headerbars that go against tradition and standards, breaking consistency and breaking useful features like integrated menus and searchable menus
>They constantly make breaking changes to their APIs and such, breaking themes and extensions constantly (and in the case of GTK, entirely breaking applications that use it for the GUI)

Just use Plasma like a sensible person if you want a desktop environment, or some tiling window manager if you want something more minimal.

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Actual Gnome dev quotes:
>I guess you have to decide if you are a GNOME app, an Ubuntu app, or an XFCE app
>I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry
>It is my hope that you are a GNOME app...

>>62181829
Maybe

>>62181897
It's only ugly until you install a theme.

>>62181829
I like how smooth it is, don't like the ugly login manager though. Also plugins are kinda necessary.

>>62182479
Yeah login manager is ugly, doesn't bother me though because I autologin.

>>62182479
>I like how smooth it is
It is laggy as hell.
If you have too much applications running, the whole shit starts lagging.
The only reason someone should use GNOME is because it has the best HiDPI support.

>>62181829
After using (and loving) xfce for years, I decided to give it a try a few months ago and haven't left.
It's polished and cohesive as shit.

>>62182280
woah, that sound like a dick move

>>62182508
I've never had it lag or anything like that, but then I usually run it in a vm and give it plenty of vram, this is running on an already pretty meaty machine. I wouldn't use it on a laptop just yet.

>>62182526
If only gnome had just a little bit of xfces customisability, inbuilt panels that can be shifted around would be nice.

>>62182508
Haven't experienced any lag in gnome3 yet, it's too heavy for shitboxes thats for sure.

>>62182526
Yeah I'm loving how smooth it is, it's even smoother than KDE plasma.

>>62182280
I use and like gnome but I can't defend this.

>>62182698
Nobody is arguing that plenty of the devs aren't total sperglords

>>62182280
Well, I've just decided that I'm definitely NOT a gnome user!

>>62182786
>>62182698
I think the FFox devs are SJW morons but I still use their browser because it's good shit. Same thing can be applied to any project.

>>62181895
>Yes
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>>62181829
>likes Gnome3
more like it's the least shit option, once you get rid of all the tablet ui crap and basically restore flashback mode through extentions

>>62182907
I actually like it out of the box desu

I don't really have a lot of experience with other DEs, but it's a vast improvement over Windows Aero and I like it better than Unity. It looks really nice, the keyboard shortcuts are handy, and it doesn't get in the way on small screens.

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>>62182907
Go try out kde
It's amazing

>>62183080
Not him, but +1 on KDE it's really nice, although I think I like gnome3 even more.

>>62183080
KDE is very poorly designed - the GUI looks like amateur hour. Funcionality-wise, it's fantastic.

Shame they can't design like GNOME.

>>62181829
I use it on my X220.
My T530 gets XFCE.

>>62183080
i did around half a year ago. stock kde felt worse than stock gnome, although in different ways - like all the aero style milk glass stuff and eye bleed tier font rendering. probably better once you spend a lot of effort customizing it, but kde handles some things like system fonts in such a wierd way (to me, at least) that my attempts to "fix" the stuff i don't like hasn't really worked out right.

>>62181829
gnome is "our way or the highway" cancer but at least it's somewhat polished and isn't as buggy or as unstable as kde, that said I'd much rather use kde/qt than anything gtk based

the most egregious issue with gnome is that bug reports about missing or removed features always results in some tard pulling the "confusing for new users" excuse, it's fine that they want to improve the new user experience but at the end of the day it's still the same old barely usable linux and copying the windows registry system isn't exactly going to change peoples opinion of how usable it is

>>62182073
>tho I bet they're made by other users and would mess shit up in the long term.
that, and gnome devs insist on breaking addon compatibility every minor update

>>62182280
>And I have no idea what XFCE is
the foss crowd really need to stop with the bullshit of pretending like other use cases don't exist in an attempt to fix the fragmentation issue, half the bug reports I find come down to "why on earth would you want that extremely common feature that every other OS has? I've never used it" from thumbnails in the file picker to showing hidden files to having a text box for the address bar to removing mouse acceleration to removing mouse acceleration without having to resort to a fucking dconf editor etc

>>62183416
>the most egregious issue with gnome is that bug reports about missing or removed features always results in some tard pulling the "confusing for new users" excuse
that would be extremely easy to handle. just move advanced features to extentions instead of removing them and saying: gnome is not for people that want $feature

>>62183416
So which DE do your recommend for someone who wants to boot linxu and just program / browse web etc and not care about future problems too much?

gnome 3 is great, but you will always need to learn a terminal on linux. windows can do everything and anything with right-click and double-click. so yeah, gnome is a great basic gui shell

>>62183524
not him, but debian stable is pretty much set it and forget it. you would be able to browse and program with every lib imaginable.

it's alright after ricing but the defaults look almost intentionally terrible

>>62183552
I was considering manjaro for what I need but I asked for desktop environment not distribution so what do you think in that regard?

>>62183569
gnome is pretty simple and things like libreoffice and firefox are more native with gtk. kde is great too but has more k-tools.

Go tiling or go home.

>>62183837
WM != DE

>>62183490
>just move advanced features to extentions instead of removing them
I agree and would absolutely prefer it if they continued maintaining these features as extensions, instead they just remove the features and it's down to user submitted extensions for the lifetime of that feature

>>62183524
>So which DE do your recommend
just use what you're comfortable with, honestly, I don't use a de and I'm comfortable without one but I know it'll be an incredibly obnoxious experience for some other people

gnome is probably the best option in your situation if you do like stock gnome, otherwise extensions might not always be there, my personal gripes with it aside it is the most supported and polished de you'll find, xfce is decent if you do like gtk, kde is fine but it's extremely unstable in my experience and next to no distro that provides it really cares about providing a good experience (opensuse excluded), lxde stopped development afaik but lxqt feels like xfce used to feel on gtk2 but it's very spartan and minimal, some other niche forks like mate(+compiz) tend to be pretty nice, etc

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>>62183080
which player is it?

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>>62183837
why not both?

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>>62182249
>it's shit
>it's cancer
>it needs to die

>do what I do, I'm a sensible person

Nah, you sound like an angry and aggressive person. I'll pass on any suggestions you offer.

Muh desktop icons.

I use it with wayland.

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Love it. I used all of DEs and Gnome is the best for me.

>>62184326
Can I grab your wallpaper lad? It's sweet.

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here

>>62184394
cheers

Install firefox and tell me how you like that wasted vertical space.
Tell me how you like that no thumbnails on filepicker.
Tell me how you have to install over 10 extensions to make gnome usable.
But don't get me wrong, Gnome 3.xx is still the best DE out there for Linux.
I jumped ship last week and installed windows 10 for permanent bliss.
I just want to be happy. Don't @ me.

>>62184416
If windows is what you like then you do you man, I just hate all the bullshit telemetry and bloat in it these days. Win XP was the god-tier.

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>>62184416
Hahaha I just installed firefox to see what you mean, what the fuck is this?

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>>62184546
chrome is better by far

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>>62184326
mah nigga

>>62184546
Yup. Now install chromium if you want to remain sane.
Cheers!

>>62184546
It's something that happens on every DE, it's firefox's fault.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513159

They're fixing it with Photon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51_55vjTD0

>>62184582
nice set up anon, I'd use conky myself but I don't find myself looking at my desktop at all really

>>62181829
no

>>62184626
>Reported: 8 years ago
lmao, leenux users on a suicide watch

>>62181829
So what desktop manager does /g/ recommend?

>>62181829
the stock look, is very tablety, However I still like it much more because I can customize it in many ways unlike Winblows

>>62184751
The one that comes with Gentoo.

>>62182698
Not gonna lie, former GNOME supporter here, it's funny watching GNOME crash and burn, but in all seriousness we can't let them control Linux!

>>62182907
You know you can add minimize and maximize buttons to your window top bar, check out the tweak tool and go to Windows.

>>62184582
how the fuck did you do this
tell me now

>>62184857
Can't let them get the sudo codes.

>>62184582
How'd you set this up?

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>>62184626
how it looks on an unfucked OS, for reference.

>>62185167
How do you fix it? I tried some work arounds in the bug report with no success.

>>62181897
>>62182442
what's ugly about it? xfwm's Default theme looks fine, anything else is not xfce

>>62181944
i disagree, maybe only a couple from the git.gnome ones

>>62184902
>>62185046
https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/6v2y5n/gnome_its_not_much_but_it_uses_456mb_of_ram/

>>62181829
>unity ripoff

The sad thing is that this is going to cause people to want to use html and css on the desktop instead of gnome or kde.

we're gonna end up with web desktops because using some kind of xml+ stylesheet+ code is more cross platform.

The devs are doing this to themselves.

I wouldn't mind having all my applications run as services with web interfaces. Its just that you can't use JavaScript for everything.

but once webassembly is mature enough....its goodbye JavaScript forever. can't wait.

>>62185414
not that guy but there should be some gtk setting for titlebar size and stuff like that in your appearances settings

>>62185501
>except unity sucks

>>62185524
Works with deepin.
I don't see the problem with this.

>>62185526
will that affect all my windows?

>>62181829
Yes its soo ugly it made me hate kinux since i was a kid til recently when i saw kde and xfce

Gtk4.0 looks sexy.

>>62185553
if you use only gtk versions of various programs then yeah, except maybe some system stuff but that can be set to match up as well. but if you use say, qt programs then you'll need a qt settings panel or somethin

>>62185585
for more info check out the desktop threads, I think they call em screenfetch threads now though. but they can tell you better than me, exactly where to find the settings and what you should set things to to achieve a particular look

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>>62185568
I think it's aesthetic.

>>62185664
The design got better but .... Having the bar on the left side also mac like is heresy ... Seriously having the bar on the bottom is what windows got right

>>62185568
at the time Gnome killed the okay-looking gnome2, kde was up their ass with a "Plasma" menu that ate half the screen, so you really had to go to XFCE, Enlightenment 17 or tiling.

>>62185732
You can move it wherever you want, I just like it on the right.

>>62185739
Yeah I remember lmaoing at plasma screenshots when gnome2 was the default ubuntu DE. They've all come a long way in the last 6-7 years.

>>62184228
It just sounds that way to you because you haven't been following and don't know any of the history behind this stuff or the horrible things the Red Hat / Gnome / GTK devs have been doing.

>>62181897
>>62181934
>>62183080
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>>62183177
>>62183329
>>62183416
>>62183595
>>62183997
>>62185524
>>62185568
>>62185739
I'd just like to interject for a moment.

What you're referring to as KDE, is in fact, KDE Plasma, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Plasma shell. KDE is not a desktop environment unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Plasma desktop made useful by the KDE Frameworks, Applications and Qt libraries comprising a full DE.

Many computer users run a version of the Plasma desktop every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Plasma which is widely used today is often called KDE, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Plasma desktop, developed by the KDE project.

There really is a KDE, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. KDE are the frameworks: the libraries in the system that provide UI and desktop functions to the other programs that you run. The framework is an essential part of a desktop environment, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete desktop environment. KDE Applications are normally used in combination with the Plasma desktop shell: the whole desktop environment is basically the Plasma shell that makes use of the KDE Frameworks. The so-called KDE desktop environment is really Plasma desktop shell.

>>62185888
This never gets old.

>>62181895
The Truth
/thread

>>62185762
O i know its just...i grew up on windows and now anything diffrent im terms of desktop look feels strange

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I like it too OP. No need to be ashamed my fren

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>>62186032
My man. I haven't had much time to rice it out yet though. I like Guake way more than Yakuake.

>>62186105
Wall?

>>62181829
No, I'm on it right now. It's perfect my touch screen wacom tablet.

GNOME is great, but I am not the biggest fan of the default layout. I appreciate that GNOME will get out of the way handily to focus on whatever programs I'm running, but when the super key is pressed and you get the start screen UI it's very goofy and clunky to "point and click" your way around

i open programs by superkey and typing the characters the way i would in windows or whatever so i don't worry about it

Xfce is too old, KDE is too slow and buggy, MATE is too old, GNOME just works

I like Gnome looks but it just feels so fucking sluggish and slow. Same with KDE plasma.

XFCE on otherhand feels like when i do something it responds instantly.

>>62182280
but gnome has a thingy in the bottom left for tray icons.. why is this an issue?

>>62186938
are you running GNOME on bare metal or vm? In my experience both KDE and GNOME run poorly in vms. my laptop w gnome is corei5 with 4gb ram, nothing impressive but GNOME runs super super insta fast

>>62182280
Gnome should take a tip from bb10 and move everything to their super key manager, including the taskbar, and leave programs full screen.

>>62183080
KDE has no themes