/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Does anyone know what that 96C shit is? I'm scared.

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>>62159304

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>just checked cpu
>52 degrees
That's too high right? I just shut the Shit down.

>>62159373
Laptop? Desktop? What cpu? What cooler? Was it idle? For Intel cpus you're perfectly fine up to 90c. Amd cpus temp limit varies between architectures and models.

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>>62159373

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What do the crazy expensive motherboards offer over the more reasonably priced($100-$150) ones? I'm going Ryzen 1600X for this build, and it'll only be my second build, my first having a nice but reasonable Gigabyte $135 board 6 years ago. Is it only better quality/rice/overclocking capabilities, or is there anything something better for normal builds?

>>62159772
Get a Gigabyte Whateverthefuckchipset-UD3/UD5 you get the performance without all the rice and cost.

>>62159772
>>62160013
I don't believe that answers his question. Besides can anyone vouch for gigabyte motherboards? from here I've heard a few people say that they were problematic. They definitely are cheaper though.

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>>62159219
i don't post here, but i was listening to gurren lagann ost music

>>62160043
>tfw bought a refurbished msi board for cheap and it works
Any brand can fuck up, just buy the board that has the expansion, features and chipset that works.

>>62160013
What >>62160043 said, it really doesn't answer my question. I can decide for myself if it's worth it for the top tier boards, I just don't know what they have to offer. Obviously $150 for RGB LEDS isn't worth it, but if they do something else, I'll have to consider it. Is the networking better? What about the overclocking controls and options? More temp sensors and voltage test points? Better audio? Do the better components make it last longer, or do the fancy features wear it out quicker? Do the nonstandard features make compatibility weird, or do they improve things?

For the record, I went Gigabyte last round, GA-990XA-UD3, worked fine, ON/OFF charge was nice, but somewhere along the line it got screwy and would only work if the device was plugged in before shutting down.

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Is there anything better than Viewsonic 24" XG2401 for the price if you want a 144hz monitor?

>>62160043
Just finished slapping together a rig with an X370 Gaming K3 board, all working fine so far
Fair warning, my board only came with the F2 BIOS, which will not run Ryzen 3 out of the box

>>62160132
Viewsonic is the budget monitor brand so unless you drop to Korea failed QC brands, no.

Reposted from SQT
Buddy got a Vega 56, he offered to sell me his two old non-ref 970s for 180 each, should I buy one, both, or none?
I have an R9 280X with an Accelero on my 3770k/z77/750w system. 1080p 120hz.
Worth it?

>>62160240
>180
>Each
No. That is daylight robbery. 180 for both? Yes.

>>62160294
Maxwell isn't worth the bump?
I've got the cooling and clocking handled on the 280X with the cooler, and while I lucked out with it being able to run Doom on Vulkan, I'm just thinking ahead.

Just keep chilling and waiting for heavy discounts on the higher end cards? I got my 280X for 170 two years ago, and while I missed the cheap Fury and 1070 last year, the pendulum will swing again.

>>62160433
180 for 2 970 is a 360.
360 dollars will get you a 1060 6GB with spare change.
SLI is borked so a 1060 6GB will outperform 2 * 970.

Anyone own a Pixio PX277? Im waiting to pull the trigger when they restock but am worried about its quality. I know the bezel and stand blow but if thats it I'm good with that.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HjLYxY
I built this recently. Is this good?

>>62160629
>i3
please tell me this is a joke.

>>62160753
It isn't >>>/v/388701469
Enjoy

What's a good m.2 drive in the 256-512gb range?

>>62160900
Samsung evo 960.

>>62160900
is m.2 even worth the price increase?

>>62160938
Price difference between a 256gb m.2 and normal SSD is only like $20 dollars

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Is there really no 1080p 144hz equivalent in amd side?

i really want to make amd great again

>>62160998
For the longest time there was no monitor capable of doing 1080p 144hz freesync on the latest games for AMD. So there is no need in the market for such monitors. With the Vega, there is so just wait™

>>62160788
Go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot.

>>62160998
There is, if you aren't autistic about maxing out everything.

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first time builder here, looking for general recommendations but especially on a case and monitor. Aiming for 1440p 144hz. I will use it for mainly gaming with some multi tasking

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/9Yz9M8

>>62161370
Looks good.

>>62161370
>>62161409
Oh fuck you asked for recs.

Any case requirements?
Windows?
Space for CD drives?
Mid tower? Full tower?

Budget for monitor?
Goy-sync?

>>62161415
I'm planning on using the cd key from my current computer for windows 10, haven't figured out how I'm going to install it yet. I'd go either a mid or a full tower. My budget for a monitor is around 1k Australian shekels, Is g-sync worth it?

>>62161445
>I'm planning on using the cd key from my current computer for windows 10, haven't figured out how I'm going to install it yet
Go download the .exe from MS to create a USB bootloader for W10. Boot to it and install W10. Then activate W10 with the key after you reach your desktop.

When i meant windows I mean.
Do you want viewing windows into your case or a Solid one?
Anyone here are some recs
S340
P400S
270R

For 1k shekels you can consider the top of the line 1440p 144hz monitors.
PG279Q (Gysnc) MG27Q (Non Gsync)
XB271HU (Gysnc) XF270HU (Non Gsync)

>>62159219
>https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC
>Magnetic screwdrivers will fuck up your components. Keep them away.

What kind of a dumbass wrote this thing? As if the tiny magnet on a screwdriver would be powerful enough to hurt anything.

>budget
$AU800

>location
Australia, NSW

>software/games used
Tom Clancy's six siege, rust, and csgo is all i want to play, but i cant with my laptop

>monitor resolution + refresh rate
1920x1080 @ 60Hz


The budget includes the monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.
I want the gpu to have at least 2GB and the processor to be at least 3GHz

>>62161618
Go draft up a mock with tips from the OP

>>62161500
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dJW6wV

Thanks a lot for the recs man, really appreciate it. I really like the look of that case and monitor.

Do I need any additional cooling and/or better replacements for already set parts?

>>62161662
Looks good.
You might want extra case fans on top of the 2 that comes with your case. Or a aftermarket CPU (212evo or H7). But they are both optional. Your build as it is should be fine.

>>62161714
>>62161662
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/STRIX_B350-F_GAMING/ROG_STRIX_B350-F_GAMING_Memory_QVL_20170519.pdf
Your RAM isn't on the QVL. Ryzen is picky with RAM modules. Select a RAM model that fits your needs from the above list.

new MSI Bios doesnt support my RAM to 3200. Is it ok to revert bios in order to get better performance?

>>62161789
>Revert bios
Some mobo don't support that. They won't let you install an older bios or if they do, it bricks the mobo. Make sure you know what you are doing when downgrading.

>>62161801
its msi b350m pro-vdh, teach me master

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I'm planning on buying a 1080p monitor coming from a 768p. Currently on a g4560 + 1050ti + 8gb ram.

I can max out games on 60fps in most games in my current resolution. Will I regret it if I move on to 1080 and have to lower settings for that sweet 60fps?

>>62161814
Google is your real master. I am just telling you that some mobo don't let you downgrade bios.

>>62161822
Depends on the game. What games are you playing?

>>62161760
So what would it mean if I was to still run with RAM that isn't on the QVL? Sorry for the dumb question

>>62161835
Current AAA games. Not all, just the good ones though.

>>62161859
Best case, it runs as specified
Most of the time, it runs at a downclocked speed
Worst case, it fucks with your PC and causes problems

>>62161868
Current AAA games? Check the benchmarks with 1050ti on 1080p. They are widely available. Remember your CPU might be a slight bottleneck.

Hello PCBG! Why does every woman buy macbooks? Why do they not join glorious DIY PC building general???

>>62161890
Macbooks are a fashion icon and trend
DIY PC building carries a stigma most girls don't want unless they are trying to play to a niche.

>>62161890
Because they're really good laptops, and pre-built desktops are meant for entirely different concerns. It's not a "stigmatized choice" or whatever, most people just don't need desktops anymore.

>>>62161868
>Current AAA games? Check the benchmarks with 1050ti on 1080p. They are widely available. Remember your CPU might be a slight bottleneck.

Thanks. Will the shift be worth it? Visual-wise?

>>62160058
>i don't post here
you just did though

>>62160629
could have been better but it's fine.

>>62160938
if you only care about performance, no, an m.2 sata will perform the same as a sata. nvme can be better, and of course it's a lot better for packaging.

>>62160998
amd cards are overpriced at the moment.

>>62162219
>Visual-wise
No, all games have looked like plastic for several years no matter how much processing power you throw at them.

>>62161822
You'll probably still be fine on 90% of games. Just recalling from memory, theres just a couple of games the 1050ti have some issues with on high witcher 3 being one of them I think, runs better on medium

Has motherboard onboard sound hardware improved much in the last 7--8 years?

Is it unwise to spend $2k+ on a 1440p 144hz rig+monitor? The jump in price from the same but 1080p is nearly double. I guess I'm asking if anyone who did it found it to be worth it. My computer is my main source of entertainment so I'm not asking if it's worth spending that much on a computer.

>>62162711
I spent 2k on a 1080ti 1440p 144hz GoySync computer. I love every minute of it. Playing Xcom 2 WOTC atm.

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What motherboard would you recommend to get with a 1500x?

How much of a difference does RAM make with Ryzen?

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How triggered is /pcbg/ going to be when Coffee Lake launches?
For those who have money the 8700k will be the best of the best and for those who are only looking for some mid-tier build the 6 cores i5 will completely destroy anything AMD has to offer.

Surely you shills have already been told how to react to Coffee Lake, right? Care sharing some pastas already?

>>62162956
dont get 1500x, get 1600

>>62163063
>for those who are only looking for some mid-tier build the 6 cores i5 will completely destroy anything AMD has to offer.
I hope so, but I wouldn't count on it. I'm waiting for the benchmarks to buy, but I don't expect this will be better value than Ryzen.

>>62163075
The 7700k, price aside, is already beating Ryzen in all gaming scenarios (aside from cherry picky ones with [email protected] running 4000mhz RAM).

So with that in mind, considering 6c6t > 4c/8t (probably), I'm expecting it to beat the 7700k in all settings. I'm also waiting and interested to see how it plays out in real tests rather than on paper though.

>>62163066
Not really an option at the moment.

>>62163137
>price aside
yeah but most people don't have infinite money.
a mid range intel cpu beating a mid range amd cpu is all well and good, but if it's much more expensive, nobody cares.

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Behold: The TF2 box.

>>62163153
You don't need all of that to play team fortress 2, it's an old game.
Also, no GPU?

>>62163149
From the infos we got so far the prices won't change, so 8th gen i5 will be priced the same as current i5. I don't see how it'd be much more expensive than a 1600@220 bucks. A lot of people are ready to pay some more bucks to go Intel rather than going AMD.
Intel processors have a warranty of 3 years also, AMD's only 1.

>>62163153
>7600k
Have you lived under a rock this past half and a year or so?

>>62163165
> it's an old game.
It's also very poorly optimized. Even a Kaby Lake at 5.1ghz isn't enough to keep 240fps at all times.
>Also, no GPU?
GPU doesn't matter for TF2, it's all CPU, HD630 should be fine.

>>62163171
>A lot of people are ready to pay some more bucks to go Intel rather than going AMD.
That's a terrible argument and you know it.

>>62163187
You may not like but it's the truth.

>>62163180
Is the 7700K a higher bin or something? I've seen 7600K reaching over 5ghz just like 7700K so I thought it wasn't worth the extra since I won't use more than 3 threads.

>>62163186
But why would you want to play that game at 240? Is there actually a competitive scene? It seemed deader than dead 5 years ago.

>>62163190
I don't give a fuck about what other people do, I want to get good value. If Coffee Lake isn't better than Ryzen at equivalent prices, nobody in this thread is going to give a fuck.

>>62163199
Tbh TF2 is all I really play, tried overwatch and csgo, found them boring. I don't play tf2 competitively, only pubs, but with how much time I spend playing the game (over 3,000 hours now) it seems worthwhile to splurge on a 240hz setup to get maximum enjoyment out of the game. My 144hz is already decent but I want to cut the motion blur down even further.

Is Samsung B Die ram still necessary to reach 3200Mhz+ on ryzen? Or can hynix kits now reach their rated speeds mostly?

>>62163220
Have you tried a 240Hz monitor before? The difference between 144 and 240 is barely noticeable.
Also, wow, you're dedicated. I played ~1500hrs and I couldn't play the game anymore, I think they've completely shit the bed with it a long while ago.

>>62163063
>paying hundreds of dollars more for a 5% bump in speed

>>62163247
I find that hard to believe, considering I've personally switched back and forth between 144hz sample-and-hold and 120hz strobed and the difference in motion motion is quite spectacular, so I imagine 240hz is about as good as 120hz strobed if only slightly worse.

But the BenQ XL2546 strobes at 240hz anyway so it will surely shit all over my 144hz non-strobing monitor.

>>62163274
motion clarity*

>>62163274
You clearly seem to know more about this than I do. I have just used 144 and 240 for CS GO and OW and I didn't think it was worth it, but I don't know shit about strobing or whatever.
Enjoy your new computer anon!

>>62163197
>what is ryzen

>>62162956
>How much of a difference does RAM make with Ryzen?

For the first time in forever it's actually worth it to throw extra shekels at faster memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsYOASddeo

tl:dw:
going from 2133 to 3200mhz
ME:Andromeda wasn't affected
Deus Ex got 12 fps
GTA V got 21 fps
Battlefield 1 got 24 fps
Hitman got 16 fps
Mafia 3 got 29 fps

You get the point. Do keep in mind that this video is several months old and there have been updates that have made it easier to get higher speeds and some games (Tomb Raider comes to mind) have updated to take advantage of extra cores.

>>62163356
>guy wants the fastest single thread speed possible
>recommend ryzen
don't be stupid anon.

>>62163063
If the platform costs come at a reasonable price and performance without being DELID DIS housefire levels then I'm gonna recommend it but that remains to be seen. AMD already got my money with 1700 so I'll be good for years. My previous system was 3570k and HD 7950.

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Senpai, still having trouble finding a displayport cable that's longer than 1,5m that supports 2560x1440 at 144/165hz.
The included cable DOES WORK.. It's just way too short. I'm tired of buying more cables and adapters, will make my own, you'll hear from me if it worked or not tomorrow.

>>62163534
nice. don't injure yourself anon.

can a ryzen cpu without a graphics card still show cli oses? i need only cpu power for a small server and dont have the space in the pcie lanes for a gpu.

>>62163534
anon don't hurt yourself! who will come home at night to hold me and make love to me?!

>work on the IT dept of an university
>professor gets a grant and buys a computer "for image processing" (he does some shit with ArcGIS)
>asks us to assemble it
>it's a HP Proliant server with no graphics card, and the slowest hdd i've ever seen in my life

>>62163593
don't say anything anon

>>62163593
he didnt get any consultation? tell him and report him or whatever

>>62163593
ArcGIS is for geospatial stuff.
Dealing with large sized images. Why would he do that?

Alright hi guys so I'm about to move into my own place and I want to build a gaming PC.

I'm from the UK looking to spend max £1000 on a system that will run games like R6S, player unknowns,Destiny 2 on 1080p 144hz 60fps.

Any advice would be appreciated

>>62163671
>144hz 60fps
which is it?

>>62163671
>144hz 60fps

what

>>62163671
Ha shit meant to put just 144hz...

>>62163605
i think i'll do this. if he complains the computer is slow for his tasks, i'll propose to build an i7 and trade it for his server

>>62163613
>he didnt get any consultation?
he didn't and the worst part is that he paid $ 2300 for this when it's worth less than $ 1000

>>62163616
>Dealing with large sized images. Why would he do that?
i suppose this 8GB ain't gonna be enough for his work then

>>62163732
again report for fund wasting. $2300 could have built something useful, instead it was used for embezzlement

>>62160132
there's a Samsung 24" 144Hz monitor with VA panel (C24FG70FQU), but it's curved and suffers from some issues.
XG2401 is the best 24" TN FreeSync monitor. don't listen to >>62160188 he's retarded.

>tfw want to build a semi decent home server for serious business
>whenever I start to spec one out it inevitably turns into a vidya machine
>feel bad about spending more money on vidya hardware because I already have every console except the Bone and most PC games are not my kinda thing and I would never stop playing all the games I end up pirating anyway
What do

>>62163220
mge me, i barely get 60fps in tf2 and i'd still fuck you up (any class)

>>62163796
home server doing what exactly? home server is all cpu and hdd

>>62163671
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YNJP4C
You could change the case, find a better deal on ram, or drop the SSD or get a smaller one. Or wait for good deals on specific parts. And that should drop it below 1k.
Or just go for a 1070 instead of a 1080, but I think you could manage to fit the 1080 in for that budget which would allow you to play all those games on very high/ultra at high framerates.

>>62163934
Oh and I just set filters for the cheapest 1080, cheapest mobo etc. But for instance with the 1080 you can get a 3 fan card for like £3 more.
So something like that https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hCB9M8 would be actually better.

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Anyone know when the Vega 56s will be back in stock? And would it be better to wait for aftermarket coolers at this point?

>>62163934
>>62163964

Thanks mate that's great. I might have a case HDD and power supply that I can use so this might work out great

>>62164074
Don't use a cheap power supply. If yours is a good one go for it, but don't ever skimp on the PSU.

>>62164074
Oh and by the way, that CPU comes with a good stock cooler, and it's easy to give it a moderate overclock if you ever feel the need to.

>>62163972
Restock for stores are normally once every 2 weeks.
No. Cause 1070 is already on sale.

>>62164100
I just checked and I have a Evga 500b which I'm guessing would be fine for this

>>62164171
That should be fine, from the reviews it looks like a good unit.
I now realize I could have recommended a bit stronger of a PSU than the 520W in that build, if you're going to OC and add disks in the future the power usage may spike up. But for now that EVGA will be fine.

>>62164219
I'm not planning on overclocking. I remember someone recommending the 1600x a while back because I said this

>>62164236
It's really easy to overclock, and you may want to do it in a few years instead of buying a new CPU.
But even if you don't, the 1600 is still a good choice, because the 1600X doesn't come with a cooler and you have to buy one.

>>62164261
1. voids warranty
2. hotter
3. cpu lasts less
4. have to deal with voltage matching
5. more expensive to run (post electricity and the cooler required).
6. louder

187€ is good for a i5 7500?

>>62164297
fuck off.

>>62164330
Almost 200€ for 4 threads is not a good idea no.
What are you gonna use it for?

>>62164381
Just playing and occasionally render something,
I like wasting Time with blender

>>62159304
Water Boils at 100°C
CPUs should be at 50-70

>>62159304
>>62159373

>Does anyone know?
Yes, the whole world except the USA.(and a couple of irrelevant developing countries)
For reference:

0℃= water freezing point
25℃= common standard room temperature
36-37℃= common body temperatures
80℃=Usually the maximum recommended temperature for high performing electronics. Shut down after this point is expected.
100℃= Boling point of pure water at Atmospheric pressure.

So yeah, 96℃ is like >200℉

>>62164436
>cpu is made of water

>>62164381
Any other CPU?

>mfw tracked down weird gpu downclocking issues to failing PSU under load

Holy fuck why does the 390x require 50 amps + under load? Thats insane

On the update psu prices have come down alot

I live in a shit world country and the rx 580 for some reason is even cheaper than a 1060, should i go for it? wait™ for vega to arrive and see price? is a pretty good card in a variety of games but when it comes to unreal engine, pc only titles or unoptimized pieces of shit nvidia is the way to go so i dunno

>>62164673
WHAT THE FUCK

>>62164760
no memes bro they where the 2nd highest usage gpu ever apart from the vega liquid cooled 64

think it was something like 500watt for the 64 and 450watt for a 390x

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>>62164777

>>62164777
my whole computer doesn't even draw that much power, wtf

>>62164873
AMD bro its dogshit

basically all their top end gpus apart from polaris used a shitload of power

Vega is no different.

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My friend thinks he can be the next big youtube star (he can't) and to make up for secretly attaching truck nuts to his car I'm helping him build a pc. His budget is $800-$900 but can go up to $1,000 if needed. He doesn't plan on playing very graphics intense games and instead intends on streaming, video editing, and art doing. I've suggested prioritizing a good amount of storage and lots of ram for video editing but I'm not sure what mobo, cpu, and graphics card to suggest. What's a good suggestion for parts?

freesync outside of gaming? got amd gpu tho

>>62164614
Can't you read the OP?

>>62164901
Ryzen 1600/1600X

>>62164901
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nYdz3F
Something like this should be fine. A strong CPU for video editing and multitasking (that can easily be overclocked even on the stock cooler), a decent chipset for the motherboard, good RAM in a good amount, a small SSD for the OS, a large HDD, a not-too-bad video card for non-AAA games, and a good PSU.
The case is just a random cheapo choice, he can get whatever he likes.

>>62165079
Oh and that can easily be upgraded with a better GPU if he wants to get into more demanding games.

how often should I dust my pc.

>>62165079
wait I didnt realize that HDD is 5900rpm. Try to go for a 7200 instead.
And of course you can get a bigger SSD, but if he's not gaming he won't need that much space for programs.

>>62165134
I do it once a month.

>>62165149
>once a month
i'm a, uh few months late then.

>>62164901
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mrcjzM
adjust HDD capacity as necessary

>>62165178
I do it out of habit and because I like it. I'd say you should do it once a year at least.

>>62165199
Alrighty
I'll probably do it every 6 months then

>>62165178
if your case has dust filters, I'd take them out every month or so for a cleaning
but you don't need to hit the inside with a can of air more than a couple times a year unless you keep your computer somewhere filthy

>>62164901
here u go senpai for about 800-900 USD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vp3vM8

>>62165254
>worse cooler than the one that comes with the cpu
>bad psu
>3gb 1060

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>new build with SSD
>computer boots in less than 15 seconds
>mfw

>>62165273
You can never go back. All future computers must have an SSD, whatever the budget is.

>>62159304
VRM. They're usually rated for 115, 125 or 150°C, so it isn't that much of an issue

>>62165272
I was not aware the cpu came with a cooler, he might as well use it then. But the arctic coolers are pretty comfy as long as you're not overclocking hard. 3gb 1060 is fine he's not playing boyfriends one or pubg as stated in his post. The psu is also fine, corsair makes fine PSUs, and he doesnt need much for a 100-200W video card and a 65 watt processor. This isn't a 5960x anymore brah

>>62159304
I assume that's your VRM
on a cheap motherboard, that temperature can go as high as 110 before you should start worrying, and even higher on a higher-quality mobo with better parts

are there any parts you guys would buy used (in good condition obviously) for a pc build?

>>62159304
what motherboard is this?

thats very high

>>62165272
i will kill you

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>>62165273
>mfw still running a crummy Phenom II build that takes almost a minute just to reach the password screen

>>62165393
don't be so tsundere anon-chan. you just need some kissy kissy

>>62165378
Depends entirely on the budget, usage scenario and what's available on the used market in your region.

>>62165403
i-i will kill you >~<

>>62165395
My phenom II PC takes 30 seconds at most to get everything booted. and thats with a hard drive 7200RPM

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>>62165048
>No i5
>Just poverty tier
>AMD only

>>62165378
assuming you could verify the quality beforehand, or were buying from someone you trusted
-vidya card
-power supply (if only a year or two old)
-HDDs (unless heavily used)

NEVER buy used motherboards

>>62165395
Doesn't have anything to do with the phenom though. Throw in an SSD and it should start up just as fast

>>62165409
*kisses your forehead*

>>62165418
Exactly.

>>62165418
Its not AMD only, it clearly recommends Intel for two use cases. If you're retarded enough to have brand loyality wait for coffee lake and hope its priced reasonably

>>62165419
>buying the one thing that can fry your system used

Wouldnt feel comfortable with that

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Yoko a cute

>finish building pc
>install windows
>install overdrive after drivers
>restart into a bootloop
gg time to reinstall windows

>>62165453
nOT THEM

BUt I feel AMD will not be able to catch up to Intels Single thread performance. As well the 8700k has some leaks that it will have better multi thread performance than ryzen 1800x and 7700k single thread performance

>>62165473
THICC
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>>62165473
>stinky ugly 3D PIGS

>>62165490
she's super thin

>>62165484
I don't doubt that Intel can crank out a product which is technically superior to whatever AMD is offering
But I do doubt that they can sell it without a price premium that scares off a lot of potential customers

>>62165523
FUCK
you have a point. But As someone who wants to be able to get the most out of my 1080ti and 144 Hz monitor as well as not budgeting any of my components... I think I might go intel...

Did they ever say a release date?

>>62165557
Just get a 1700 nigger.

>>62165570
NO WAY I WANT THAT SWEET SINGLE THREAD PERFORMANCE + MULTI THREAD PERFORMANCE TO PLAY ALL THE GAMES I CAN AT HIGH REFERSH RATE

>>62165586
Then buy 7900x like a dumb goy

>>62165608
>7900x

I DON'T WANT MY HOUSE TO GO ON FIRE

>>62165484
Who knows. They've got all the low hanging fruits left and are already there with their first throw. If Samsung/GF/TSMC come up with a process that allows them to go above 4GHz they would be even more competitive, even without IPC improvements worth mentioning. I doubt coffee lake will have a significant IPC increase. The only thing that offered one on the Intel side in the past half decade was broadwells L4$e, and they dropped that (because it was to expensive?).

Also consider that AMD isn't operating on a shoestring budget anymore. It will take 2 to 3 years until we see the stuff they design now on the market, but it will be interesting to see what happens now that they can actually dump some money into R&D

>>62165381
A tad late, but im using the MSI 990FXA GAMING, I love this 8350 rig but the thermal reporting is so shit, my Q6600 gave better readings, and it's a 2007 cpu.

>>62165608
That had worse gampe performance though

>>62165557
August apparently. Zen 2 won't hit until H2 next year and pinaccle ridge is just a respin so it won't offer too much

>>62165637
I just don't want to get jewed by AMD.
>>62165675
8700k next year? August?

I'm starting to doubt AMD

>>62165273
m2 ssd ultra here its fucking dope as fuck desu

>>62165658
Boards just went to shit and you need to check thrice what to buy. My ASUS H87 Pro is constantly reporting that the chipset is at 116°C, even after just starting it up

>>62165692
>I just don't want to get jewed by AMD

And you're wanting Intel. The sweet ironing.

>>62165703
Yeah I thought the thing was going nuts, I was touching my board while clearing cmos from a sketchy 4.4gig bench on stock vcore, and it was doing fine.

>>62165692
this year. Also how do you get jewed by AMD? They just demolished everything intel offers from the 100$ entry desktop market, to HEDT systems to 2000$ server CPUs, with few exceptions

>>62165717
AMD CPU performance is not up to par with Intels

>>62165733
well, what did you touch? If its the heatsink of the component in question and it doesn't get uncomfortably hot during operation i'd say you're fine. Touching it after just starting up might not be that telling since it takes time to heat up.

But most likely it's just a fucked thermal sensor/software anyways

>>62165738
Ryzen 7 single thread performance is not that high which means it will perform worse in the long run.

>>62165772
It means the exact opposite. And "just a bit lower than Intel's fastest single thread" doesn't mean it's not that high.

>>62165741
that statement is as retarded as saying intels CPU performance is not up to par with qualcomm since they get raped in the smartphone market. Intel has nothing worth buying for desktops right now except for the 7700K for some limited use cases

also tracked down my weird overclocking/overvolting issues to the same blown psu

you'd think a 850 watt would have neough for a fucking 390x but nope it needed like 50 amps on the 12v rail and it shat out in under a year

never gonna get over how SHIT amd gpu's are

Unless they pull a miracle out of their ass with navi im never touching their shit again

Vega is dogshit and hawaii xt are stupid power hungry

>>62165772
oh yeah, game developers certainly are trying to squeeze as much performance as they can from single thread CPUs. That's why all the new consoles use those ultra highly clocked single cores. Can't believe all those retards are buying expensive multicore CPUs while i'm completly future proof with my 150$ 7350K

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Does anyone know of a budget laptop that would work well for OpenGL3.3 programming?

>>62165755
I touched my vrm and NB heatsink, it was okay, I'm amazed this board even worked because it's refurbished and an msi board which is just asking for trouble.

>>62165817
>Games are single threaded
>Overclockable dual core

Confirmed for greatest CPU ever made.

>>62165819
A used thinkpad of course

>>62165821
boards from any brand work fine for most people. All memes aside, if they didn't keep RMA quotas reasonably low manufacturer X would have gone out of business long ago

>>62165840
i wish they'd make a single core and sell it for half the price. It annoys me that i had to pay extra for that useless second core

When the fuck will GPUs reach a performance plateau like CPUs did?
I just want to buy one and forget about it for 7 years like I did with my old i7

>>62165788
It's not just a bit slower. like second or third gen of intels cpus.
>>62165790
but I will be aiming for high refresh rate.
>>62165817
I never said anything about buying a dual core cpu of course that is out dated. but the 8700k seems to be the sweet spots with hexa-core multi thread performance and high single thread performance.

>>62165869
when miners get bored of them

>>62165874
that's completely unrelated

>>62165871
>It's not just a bit slower. like second or third gen of intels cpus.

How dumb are you.

I'm looking to upgrade my cpu, as it is currently at 100% usage in both PUBG and Destiny 2 beta and i'm getting horrible frames.
Here is my build:
>AMD 290
>i5-4460 @ 3.20GHz
>Gigabyte Z97P-D3
>16gb of ram
Should I just upgrade to a faster intel cpu or should i go with a new mobo and AMD cpu?

>>62165892
AMD is not up to par.

>>62165896
>Z97P-D3
A 4790K will drag that bitch into the future no problem.

>>62165869
when it takes 7 years to reach a new node. Probably not even then due to new feature sets. GPUs are designed to handle parallel workloads, increasing performance is to a large part done by just increasing by adding more ressources.

>>62165871
>this new peice of hardware will be better for application X than this old piece of hardware
stop the presses

>>62165896
>Gigabyte Z97P-D3
get a used 5775C if you can find one for a reasonable price. No matter what you do PUBG and destiny 2 will still run like shit

>>62165900
they didnt call him jim "intel dead in the cellar" keller for nothing anon

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r8 my thermal pasting job

>>62165909
A 7700K would do equally well I suppose? Hard to find 4790's in my country. Also wouldn't it be too much with i7 for gaming or is that just a meme nowdays?

>>62166016
>>62165909
nvm im retarded, my mobo doesnt support 7700k

>>62165996
You can pull off gaming on an i5 or high clocked i3, i7 helps if you're into multithreaded rendering in Sony Vegas or whatever, and it is a beast in games.

>>62166016
i7 was a meme several years ago but nowadays games do stress CPU or if you're into MMOs then they've been heavy on it always.

>>62166030
All good, thought you were down for a system upgrade for a sec.
>>62166032
>>62166030

>>62166016
as you noticed, doesn't work on your board. The 5775C often performs better than the 7700K anyways. It's has its use for gaming if you're aiming to feed a 144Hz monitor in CPU heavy games that make use of more than 4 threads

>>62166073
Interesting, I will look into it
>>62166047
>>62166043
Allright, thanks.

>>62165896
I just went from a 390x and i5 to a 1600x ab350 gaming k4 and 16gb 3000mhz ryzen not looking back.

Remember to get a new psu tho I didn't caused issues.

If u can get a 1080 cheap it's a good value GPU

Stay away from ryzen until it matures or flops either way it's dogshit and supply and price I'll always be an issue

>>62166148
What the fuck needs to mature? Fucking moron, if you think you're so well informed go work at anandtech and explain why every reviewer is wrong

>>62159219
>kamina died because yoko cucked simon

confirmed worst fetish

>>62166148
>>62166199
I hope he meant Vega.

>>62166199
he must have meant vega

>>62166240
>>62166245
oh well. In that case he's still wrong, VEGA is a stillbirth. Just give it a shallow grave

>>62166240
>>62166245
>>62166266
but did he mean vega?

>>62166266
Nah, he's right. It may mature, it may not, but there's no reason to write it off already. Though of course they'll have to fix the supply and price on top of the drivers.

>>62166314
>Buy 700 euro card now
>Wait two years and it'll perform something that was released three years ago
>By that time competition has released something that is twice as powerful

Hello, new rig wont POST. I've checked and reseated everything almost twice now. First time building pc maybe I'm missing something

>>62165845
i dont see any cheap ones that support gl 3.3 though

>>62166440
works fine for me :)

>>62166440
Put a single ram stick in and test each slot.

>>62166477
I tested it with no ram sticks and the board didn't beep any errors, should I try it with one or is my mobo dead

>>62166440
>>62166477
also test both DIMMs. If available use the IGP, not a dedicated GPU. Put GPU in different PCIe Slot. Use different dedicated GPU if no IGP available and after trying different PCIe slots. Use different PSU. Use different board/CPU. In that order.

And get a BIOS speaker if you don't already have one

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Please, please help me.

This Cyrorig H5 is driving me insane. The screws simply will not go in. It is not a problem of alignment - it is a problem of the screws just going round and round. Have tried applying light pressure, pushing down on the screwdriver provided - nothing works.

Perhaps I'm being dumb, but can anybody aid me with this?

>>62166500
most modern boards don#t have a bios speaker, just a header to connect one to

>>62163561
Ryzens aren't server CPUs. You'll need to bump to EBYN to Kikeripper, an you'll have more PCI-E lanes to boot.
But no, Ryzen can't boot without a GPU. I've tried it.

>>62166546
of course it can boot without a GPU. You just won't see shit

>>62166569
Really? Cause in mine the fan didn't even spin.

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What should i upgrade and what should i upgrade to?

Please bear in mind i am not a rich fuck so something reasonable prized.

Just spend 500$ on a new graphic card.
I'm thinking somewhat same price group.

>>62166528

Are your mounting brackets installed correctly and not installed upside down?

>>62166589

Did you plug in your PSU cables?

>>62166589
no idea, but there are enough people using ryzen for cheap remote access servers

a-are you okay?

>>62166595
>windows 8
stop using computers

>>62166623
Yes, they were upside down... thank you.

>>62166595
It is so easy to see that your computer is a pre-built. It's built with all kinds of random garbage.

>>62166806
It is.

which is why i would like to upgrade it little after little.

>>62166456
Any xx30 will do.
If that's not your definition of cheap, then I'm afraid there's no laptop for you.

I don't know if this belongs here or /sqt/, but can I OC memory in the Ryzen Master Utility?

which is the best PC case under 50$ ?

>>62166878
no, you do that via BIOS/UEFI

>>62166927
oh ok, thanks

PSU = Corsair CX500

What should i upgrade?

yes i know my pc is shit and windows 8 was standard cuz pre built...

was thinking of upgrading the CPU to a Intel Core i5 7500
>>62166595
>>62166595
>>62166595
.>>62166595

>>62167055
>upgrading the CPU to a Intel Core i5 7500
You'd need a new mainboard and new RAM for that anyways, so you should go for a better R5 1600. If you want to get away cheap and are OK with a smaller performance gain you could buy a used Xeon E3 1230v2

>>62166846
Don't bother. Your specs are garbage and upgrading one thing to a better version is just not worth it when the majority of your computer is not strong enough to power it . You aren't even getting the most out of your GPU because you CPU can't power it enough when using multi threading. Save up for a much better computer. Do 1000$ if you are poor and build it yourself, so much cheaper and you learn a lot.

Any reason why I can't get a stable overclock with corsair vengeance lpx on ryzen?

>>62166073
>The 5775C often performs better than the 7700K anyways.
Seriously you guys are funny.

>>62167189
>what is broadwells EDRAM

>>62167187
>corsair vengeance lpx
this is your reason

>>62166892
I would also like to know this

>>62167238
go to home depot and buy 15 bucks worth of wood, a saw and sandpaper

>>62167275
This would not work well for a PC case, wood is an a thermal insulator.

>>62167275
this is pcbg where bg=belgrade. and we do not have home depot in serbia.

>>62167301
the thermal conductivity of your PC case is completly irrelevant. You have fans to shove new air into it, in the ideal case the air inside your case never goes much above ambient temperature to begin with.

>>62167311
i'm pretty sure you can get wood in serbia4

Why do people suggest positive pressure over negative pressure? Wouldn't negative pressure be far, far better for the heat actually leaving parts?

>>62167344
yes anon, negative pressure sucks the heat out of the parts. That's how it works. Ideally you want a vacuum.

Positive or negative pressure doesn't make a difference for cooling performance. It does make a difference if you have dust filters at your air intakes. With positive pressure air will only get in through the intakes, without dust due to the filters. With negative pressure the filters become useless because air gets sucked in through every cravice

>>62167341
yes, we have plenty of wood up on the croatian border, but I am what you overseas would call double-left-handed and I am pretty sure that my beard would get tangled in the saw and I would die. Can you maybe recommend something I can buy even in serbia ?
(bear in mind we are 15 years behind you blessed people in USA)

what would be the absolute minimum tier for budget gaming as a student? i have this old prebuilt with an amd phenom 2 or something similar and i'm thinking of putting a 1050 in there for casual gaming like pubg, cs:go and then some other games coming out later this year like ac:origins

>build 1.5k gaymen rig
>only use it for indie games and mobas
i want to kill myself

>>62167497
>cs:go
will run fine
>pubg
doesn't even run well on current hardware

>>62167497
>1050 in there for casual gaming like pubg
Good joke, if you want to play pubg you might wanna invest in at least 1070.

I ordered all of this. Opinions? Yes I do need the wifi card because I can't hookup with Ethernet where I am. It's only temporary. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cMNZM8

>>62167189
>he doesn't know

>>62167204
>>62167554
Go ahead and show me those tests / benchmarks.

>>62167537
i already have a gtx 1070 at home but my pc is way too big to carry between home and university every couple of months hence why i'm gonna use this old prebuilt my brother gave me and just leave it there permanently

also the area where i live and study is trashy and don't want someone to rob my 1070

>>62167538
looks fine. I hope you already have an SSD

>>62167575
>also the area where i live and study is trashy
>studying in 3rd world country
Why would you do this?

Thinking of getting a dual core considering low budget like the g4560 or the g4600. My question is is it worth getting a quad core or more for just gaming?

>>62167519
>Build 2500 euro rig
>It's mainly just animu and 4chin posting

>>62167571
pcgameshardware.de/Core-i7-6700K-CPU-260905/Tests/Skylake-Test-Core-i7-6700K-i5-6600K-1166741/

just check pretty much any skylake review. Keep in mind that the stock clocks are different and broadwell doesn't OC much worse than skylake

>>62167609
I do have an SSD.

>>62167640
depends on what you play? CPU intensive games will benefit greatly. Not only in average FPS but the drops will also be way less annoying.

>>62167651
>build 800euro rig
>play every game in 1080p@60fps on max settings

>>62167571
>what is google search
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,39

>>62167635
it's just how it is man. only 4 years left

>>62167657
The super slow RAM coupled with the 6700k is what's holding it back. Put a 6700k/7700k with proper 3200+ RAM and you can be sure it'll win and/or equal the 5775C.

I get it Ryzen works well with RAM but I still don't get why most people haven't realized that a 7700k scales extremely well with faster RAM as well. Just check any properly made benchmarks and you'll see Intel getting great gains as well. It's not just Ryzen.

>>62167519
>>62167651
>>62167693
>1500€ rig
>only play 1 game of BF1 a day @60hz despite hitting 120FPS average
>spend rest of my time playing my Switch

>>62167977
Lmoa in my country 1050ti are in that price.

>>62167672
I only play jrpg shit and mobas and sometimes pubg. Will i be okay?

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>>62167977
bad idea anon

>>62168133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jiXkrRoD4w
That video will answer your questions as it includes the G4560 and compares it against the current cheapest 4 cores.

In my opinion you should definitely go for a R3 1200 over the Pentium, but watch the video anyway and make your opinion out of it.

>>62168133
just shell out the 100 bucks for an r3 1200

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>>62168136

My mobo CPU Led is a solid red. How do I know if the problem is CPU or CPU fan related? Completely new build and it won't post but everything is powered up

>>62168421
unless you didn't install a cooler at all it is not cooling related. The motherboard doesn't care if a CPU fan is connected or not. Also check your manual, it tells you what the LED means

>Miners still buying all the cards
>T-virus outbreak in Texas
Fuck 2017

>>62168590
>T-virus outbreak in Texas
huh, did I miss something?

>>62168519
manual just says possible cpu fail or not detected

>>62168763
Level 4 biohazard facility in Galveston. They tried to call the place to confirm they were secure but received no answer.

anything I need to do before I setup bios?

>>62168776
out of luck. Try both DIMM slots alone, each two times in different slots and channels. If available, try the CPU in another board/another CPU in your board

are ram prices coming down any time soon?

>>62168821
motherboard displays no issues with dram though,

So I built a computer that I'm liking quite a bit but I used such meme tactics and there are some issues with it. It's a Ryzen 1700x, Gigabyte Gaming 5 mobo

Ok, so, the USB 3.0 port on the front seems to stall during data transfer or defragging for my external HDD, but the ones on the back seem to keep it going fine. Wtf did I do wrong to cause this?

>>62168925
Is grass blue?

>>62168944
doesn't matter. Maybe it'll fix your problem, maybe it won't. It certainly will narrow it down. You rely on trial and error anyways

>>62169012
Jesus this shit is depressing

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>falling for the 1440p meme
>falling for the 4K meme

>>62169060
>1080p
>ever
720p is where it's at.

>>62169060
>not using a 400x600 CRT

>>62169072
>720p
>not 1280x1024
Do you even proper resolution?

trying to setup bios, reset pc keeps saying "insert boot media" what am I doing wrong?

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what the fuck is logical about this

>>62169140
what is the chart referring to?

>>62169140
Maybe the prices are automatically updated, but the part's position in the chart doesn't automatically change? I don't know, but that's what I'd guess.

>>62169140
>580 cheaper than 1060
I don't think this was real ever.

I'm planning on buying 128gb of ddr4 ram so I can set up an ~80gb ramdisk to eliminate load times.
Problem obviously is ram is volatile so I can't store anything in it on a permanent basis, which will inevitably mean I need load everything every time I re-run windows which could take a while, ruining the initial purpose.
Is there any sort of hardware solution to a ramdisk that can keep volatile memory powered while the rest of the system is off at minimum power drain? Or are there any better solutions I haven't considered aside from running my computer 24/7

>>62169140
I would honestly take that place with a grain of salt, it's never updated enough to reflect current trends

>>62169202
>Or are there any better solutions
not using ram for storage

Are the samsung 960 worth it ?

>>62169140
>i5 CPUs are still recommended
Weren't they all btfo by R5 ?

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Is a Ryzen 3 1200 enough for a RX580 or will it bottleneck? I'm not using my pc for much else other than gaiming. I'm also planing to overclock btw

>Bristol Ridge recently released
The entry price for the longest lasting motherboard socket at the moment just got cheaper.

>>62169328
no

>>62169352
yes

>>62169423
yes

How's my build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>62169600
could be better

>>62169262
If you have something which can get data to my processor faster than ram I'm waiting on the edge of my seat to hear it [spoiler]I've already tried turning L3 cache into data storage.
[/spoiler]

>>62169600
Best build I've ever seen.

/v/ tier build. The i3-7350k are comng at a huge discount now. I'm only planning to play older series with mods (morrowind, skyrim, police quest/swat, japanese eroge, OFP/Arma, Falcon BMS, c&c zero hour, and stalker). I can't OC on my motherboard, so will buying an i3-7350k that's stuck at 4.2ghz be my best option right now? i won't be playing on more than 2k res, and right now I have a pentium g4620, and gtx 1060 6gb.

>>62169619
5000 MB/s SSDs in RAID0

NEW
NEW
>>62169824
>>62169824

>>62169169
It's logical increments