/hpg/ - Headphone General

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>build quality.

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>neutral

>2017
>Not using $3 chink earbuds with EQ that makes it sound like HD800.

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>designed to last
>especially with those hair-thin non insulated copper leads

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>sennheiser is the best headphone brand

>>62147976
What $3 earbuds?

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>low distortion and accurate

>>62147995
Doesn't matter. You are going to EQ it into perfection anyway. $3 point is only here so you can receive earbuds that won't fall apart in your hands the moment you unpack.

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>neutrality

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>>62147717
Reminder

>>62148018
It does matter because you said $3 earbuds. So which is it?

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>durable design

>>62148052
It is you that makes the headphones, dear anon. Not it. That is your lesson for today :^)

>>62148068
Is the HD 569 a bad buy?

>>62148085
Yeah, get the fostex t50rp instead. Cheaper and better.

>>62148095
But I don't want open.

and I don't see fostex on charts :(
>>62147984

>>62148129
The t40rp is the closed equivalent. That's because fostex is primarily a speaker company but they make a few headphones and they're all excellent.

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[snapping intensifies]

>>62148191
oh hey tiny dick, how's the lack of ability to satisfy women and owning shit headphones going?

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Why do people hate neutrality so much?

>>62148223
That graph is old and dated. GoldenEars' methods, not to mention Sennheiser's headphones, have changed over time. Do you have a more up-to-date graph, anon?

>>62148240
>Sennheiser's headphones, have changed over time.
prove it

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>post chinkshit build quality headphones
>instant meltdown mode
Holy shit lmao

Hifiman has the worst QC and customer service of all major headphone brands. This is an indisputable fact.

>>62148240
Here:
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>>62148191
>Snapping i n t e n s i f i e s

>>62148251
Ok
>>62147977

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>this thread

>>62148252
Sony is worse.
They sold defective headphones and told everyone to fuck off until the chinks started threatening with a lawsuit, then they admitted only "certain production batches" were affected and the replacements sent from the "good batches" had the same snapping issue.

>>62148095
The Fostex seems to have higher distortion in the low end which is a focal point of your rants against Sennheiser

https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/FostexT50RPMk3.pdf
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD569.pdf

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>>62148254
>chinkshit plastic arms
>hot glued driver
>single sided """planar"""
>pads on $500 headphones fall apart in half a year
Why is hifiman such a shit?
>>62148285
That might actually be true, Sony was a shit. At least the 1000x was a decent headphone though.

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>>62148252
Thought so, not anon :^)

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>>62148302
>No defense
Kek

>>62148312
Sennheiser's reputation precedes it. Universal acclaim over 20 or so years, with only about as many failures as the much less popular and much newer hifiman headphones. Plus, replacement headbands are cheap.

>>62148302
I'm actually talking about the 1000x
They're gearing up to release the mk2 version.

>>62148286
Also from the same graphs, the Fostex has very poor bass extension compared to the Sennheiser.

>>62148353
Yeah, apart from the snapping issue (mine snapped, ironically), it sounded decent enough. The conduct of the company makes me not want to buy the mk2s though.

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>>62148349
Source?

>>62147956
>>62147967
>>62147977
>>62147984
>>62148001
>>62148019
>>62148068
>>62148095
>>62148191
>>62148223
>>62148252
why so mad bro?

>>62148374
http://headphonespares.sennheiser.co.uk/hifi-tv-headphones/hd-600-avantgarde

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>>62148392
Of course they're cheap, dumdum. They snap all the time, but i'm not talking about that part :^)

>>62148412
>they snap all the time
Only because they outsell many inferior headphones by a mile. It's like saying the US has more murders than Luxembourg, no shit, silly.

Why this tripfag shitposts in every fucking thread and still not banned?

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>>62148435
So, do you have a source?

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>>62148456
Yes, it's called not being a retard.

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>>62148473
So no source?

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>>62148483
Source is a functioning brain, so none for you I guess.

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>>62148507
>No source

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>schiit magni 2 uber
>ferrite bead on power
>cardas rca caps
>litz monolith interconnects
>output transistors heatsinked

>>62148540
seems kinda pointless to me

>>62148441
>This tripfag
It would be nice if it was 1 person only, but basically 90% of this thread regular posters are mentally unstable shitposters. I hope /hpg/ gets permanently banned from /g/

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>62148540
The output transistor heatsinks are the only non-snakeoil aspect of this picture.

>>62148570
Pic + timestamp

>>62148540
>no audible benefit

I NEED IT:
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/searches?term.media=LP&page=&agg_use=media_submedia&term.media_format=&q=kizumonogatari

>>62148001
THD measurements are not a reliable indicator of audibility:
http://gedlee.azurewebsites.net/Papers/Distortion_AES_I.pdf
http://gedlee.azurewebsites.net/Papers/Distortion_AES_II.pdf
> In our next paper we will show that .01% THD of one type of nonlinear system can be perceived as unacceptable while 10% THD in another example is perceived as inaudible. Even one of these simple examples is sufficient to invalidate THD as a viable metric for discussion of the perception of distortion. Furthermore, 1% THD is not at all the same as 1% IM, but we will show that neither correlates with subjective perception.
>These results supported the skepticism that THD and IMD metrics were poor predictor of subjective perception of sound quality ratings.
Furthermore:
http://asa.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1121/1.4984044
>Research has suggested that non-linear properties of headphone responses have little effect
Furthermore:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e38e/b5526af06589596390cd585e6aa38c19344c.pdf
From this presentation given at the AES 129th convention:
>Conventional distortion measurements such as THD do not show reliable correlation to the ear’s perception
>in b4 retarded tripfag says these studies are being misinterpreted (they're not)
>in b4 strawman

>>62148567
it's not just the tripfags that make /hpg/ cancer. lots of "im a complete expert on audio even though im a NEET with no degree/hands on knowledge of the topic."

I agree it should be permanently banned from /g/, but I feel like mods use this place as a containment thread like /ptg/.

>>62148613
>More THD is better

>>62148614
Do you have a degree or hands on knowledge?

Are the HD800 the best headphones ever made?

>>62148641
HD800S are far better.

>>62148613
your entire argument is a strawman though and harmonic distortion is very relevant to fidelity. 3 shitty studies that led to absolutely nothing changing in the industry doesn't make you right.

it's like saying that one study on vaccines that was repeatedly debunked means vaccines cause autism. the study was bullshit and the doctor lost his medical license over it. same situation only you're arguing that distortion isn't distortion on /hpg/

>>62148629
>in after strawman
>>62148648
>it's like saying that one study on vaccines that was repeatedly debunked
It's not like this at all unless you are able to provide proof of THD measurements being a reliable indicator of audibility. Nobody has done so in the dozens of times that copypasta has been posted.

>>62148673
>More THD is b e t t e r
Top kek

>>62148631
no I don't, but that's why I stay out of the graph shitposting. most I've ever done is throw out the occasional purchase recommendation based on what i have owned or at least heard. I don't pretend to be an expert on these topics.

either way this place is complete shit so I'm hoping it gets banned soon.

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>>62148641
THE MEME(S) ARE REAL

>>62148648
You can try it for yourself if you have a set of low distortion headphones (Audeze LCD-2 were mine). Open up two since wave generators, one running at -0dB 40hz and the other at -40dB 80hz. This will simulate second harmonic distortion. Adjust the level up and down to where you can just barely tell the difference. That's roughly the level of second harmonic distortion you can hear. Then do the same at 120hz for 3rd harmonic, etc etc. You'll find that your ability to notice distortion may be lower than you thought.

>>62148697
>since wave
Sine wave jfc

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>>62148641
gods gift to your ears

>>62148697
-17 dB
What's that in %?

>>62148758
Nevermind, found a calculator. Kek, that's 14.1%. About what I expected.

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Flexible £100, UK, Back of my PC 3.5mm jack, full sized, preferably closed, preferably comfy, no idea about sound signature (I tried some in town and the bassy ones sounded best).

Any recommendations?

Who /tinnitus/ here?

>>62148687
Okay, graph interpretation is a fairly easy subject. I'm sure everyone understands that graphs are fallible and measurements will be different and they're not the end-all of perceived frequency response. The issue is that the shitposters willfully ignore the limitations of graphs as an excuse to shitpost.
>>62148758
>>62148778
Yep, that's about par for the course. Of course, 3rd harmonic and above are much easier to hear than the 2nd harmonic but with most headphones, bass distortion tends to be second harmonic.

>>62148778
Simulating third order with 120 Hz, I hear it at -20 dB, or 10%.

>>62148729
But why pay if you can have HD800 for $3, as long as you have EqualizerAPO+PeaceGUI and some knowledge and expertise in EQing.
Do you enjoy being a cuck?

Would buying an amp+dac render any sound card useless? The PC would just be used to "send in" the songs to the dac basically?

Trying to understand how that works.

>>62148874
>not buying HD800s for comfort and then EQing them to sound like $3 Walmart shitphones

>>62148874
keep deluding yourself that your eq'd poorfag phones will ever match the clarity and realism of the hd800s.

>>62148880
If your sound card has optical built in it isn't useless otherwise it is. Just use your soundcard for virtual surround sound shit.

>>62148893
>Having this much buyer's remorse
Kek. Could have avoided it all if you only knew how to eq, you brainlet

>>62148890
MDR-MA900, even discontinued, is a lot cheaper while being more comfortable than HD800. Imaging/soundstage is roughly the same, too; angled 70 mm drivers.

>>62148870
Oh, also note that this sort of simulation depends on the flatness of your headphones frequency response. Although the numbers you're getting are a bit low (my 3rd order was something like -35dB).

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> /hpg/ is seriously degenerate

>>62148944
>Although the numbers you're getting are a bit low
I didn't really sit there and autistically drag the slider back and forth for minutes while listening super intently to find the exact frequency where I think I might be perceiving a difference. I dragged the slider back and forth maybe 10 times and picked the frequency I was sure I heard a difference at. My logic is that anything below this point is inconsequential to me.

>>62148982
That's probably fair, considering distortion is much more difficult to perceive in actual music as opposed to test tones.

>>62148982
Also, FR is loli-flat, verified through home measurements.

>>62148898
I actually don't have a sound card, I'm just trying to understand the relationship between a computer and a hybrid amp/dac device. The PC, laptop or whatever you're using is not interfering in any way with the audio when using something like I mentioned, right?

>>62149015
It won't interfere anything because you have to set which audio source you want to output with.

>>62149085
Cheers.

>>62149015
computers are inherently noisy. even usb to an external dac can be an issue. galvanic isolation is the only way. if your computer has optical out then there can be no noise issues. ground hum suxxxxx. usb isolators are iffy though available.

>>62148786
Meh I'll just get Audio-Technica ATH-M50X

>>62149650
The ATH-M40X are better believe it or not.

>>62149704
I know knowing about headphone quality. In what way are they better?

Does /g/ have recommended mmcx cables and wireless adapters?

Reminder that vinyl and cassette are better than digital trash.

>>62149277
>can be an issue
Usually won't, though. I've never experienced a noisy USB DAC.

>>62150061
I'm probably the only person on this thread with a turntable and even I know that's bullshit. I collect vinyl because it appreciates in value when it's treated properly.

>>62150061
>>62150085
And I'm still using cassette on occasions.
Drop outs, distortion, wow and flutter, high noise floor, and limited frequency response in the highs are all very real.
No such problems with audio CD or FLAC.

>>62150140
You need metal tape son.

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>>62148540
Na, this is how you do it m8. No memes.

>>62148570
what is life like as an adult virgin?

How's the uDAC3 vs E10K?
Can get the uDAC3 for about 70% of the price of an E10K.

>>62150542
>uDAC3
No idea but you may as well get the fulla 2 is you're considering the e10k. If they cost around the same that is.

Best portable headphones under $500? Someone said msr7 which is nice but I have way more than $200 I'm willing to spend.
What about Shure se535, oppo pm3, meze?

>>62150629
>headphones
>Shure se535
se535 is a earphone anon

>>62150663
Either work as long as it's portable. No preference at all.

>>62150542
Get udac3. e10k is pointless as fuck, it's got really low output power and can hardly drive for shit. If you buy power hungry headphones e10k will not be enough. If you buy headphones that can be powered by e10k, chances are your onboard can do it too. Only useful if you have laptop with shit onboard audio and need something cheap.
Consider fulla2.

>>62150575
>>62150725
Any Schiit resellers in Europe?

>>62150738
I don't think so, get uDAC3 if from EU. Schiit doesn't give a fuck about EU, chances are you will pay too much for shipping and taxes for it to be good deal.

>>62150629
PM3 are the best of the group but have small ear cups.

>>62150738
No idea. I bought mine from the EU store. And my magni.

What's the closed alternative to the HD650s?

>>62150810
They're so nice. Just as nice as msr7. What about the ear pad problems though? Go click through us Amazon reviews to see what I mean

>>62150893
As in the people complaining about the comfort? I have more or less average sized ears and the PM3 fit me decently, although my ears do touch. They're comfortable for long periods of time but YMMV, obviously.

>>62150542
I don't know who's shilling this but udac2 was a total piece of shit. Google it.
>udac2 designed by ear

>>62150948
As in the ear pads and headband are not only not replaceable but fake leather that peels off with out fail in a year. Have to spend money to send them to oppo to be replaced with the same shitty material

>>62150843
The 600 obviously. They're just a slightly less bloated version. They're incredibly similar.

>>62151087
No, i meant closed back. Not open headphones

>>62150542
Fx audio dac x6 for shit with decent impeadence like 250o beyers(can vouch), 300o hd600, other hard to drive shit. Is bad for low impeadence shit and armatures.

>>62151073
I've had them for 8 months now and they don't show any signs of falling apart.

>>62151158
Oh my bad, I read it wrong. t50rps are semi closed and leak very little. They're not the same as the 650 obviously,but not a million miles away I guess.

>>62151297
Check us Amazon reviews if you dont mind. I'm on mobile or I'd link. Seems to be very common

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I now have:
HD650
HD800S
Ether
TH-X00 PH

I don't have time for all of them. Which one do I sell?

>>62151339
Hd650 or 800s which ever you use less. Why have two dynamic open back headphones from the same company?

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>>62151366
It's because I just bought the HD800S. So yeah this makes sense.

>>62151330
There were only like 2-3 reviews that said that, and I had to disable the verified purchases thing. If it concerns you, don't buy them. I personally haven't experienced the issue.

>>62151523
I'm tempted. That aside they seem to be the best except some iems

>>62151339
How is Ether? It looks smexy FR wise, I wanted to hear them butt here isn't not so easy to get a hold of them.
HD800S tho, feels like a bit of an overkill altho soundstage and imaging is nice, is it me or it's better on HD800S than on the original? Especially now when Sennheiser needs to Step up it's game with their high end offerings in the wake of focal, mr speakers and tons of other high end headphones, not so while ago HD800 was the only good top end.

>>62151073
>non-replaceable pleather earpads
>for $400
I don't need reviews to tell me this is a terrible fucking idea.

>>62151339
What the hell is going on here and why is there a tube amp?

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>>62147717
The zs5's are really fucking good for the money. They're better sounding than most of the full sized headphones I have tried. You poor fags need to get on this shit.

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PSB M4U 1 with Cayin N3. Opinions, questions?

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>>62147717
Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?
>>62147819
GND, going by the icon as seen in the reflection.
>>62146505 >>62147592
pic+timestamp

>>62151339
Sell the 650 and to an LCD-2, sell your Ether and TH-X00 and upgrade to Ether C Flow.

>>62152186
>>62152020

Back again. Using my zs5's plugged into my ps4 controller for bloodborne and bf1. Turns out They're really good for gaming also.

>>62152326
Sure, but using IEMs at home... -_-

I wish someone had shilled NVX angled pads to me sooner, they are comfy af

>>62151339
Sell all.
Buy $3 earbuds and EQ into perfection.
Spend money on bitbeans and become billionaire.

>>62151921
Optical out from his MBP to some DAC being powered by an AC regenerator to an amp being powered by an external DC power supply module.

>>62152353
ay cutie

>>62152460
This.

Source: Am multi-billionaire

>>62152353
I don't pc game and I don't really want big ass warm headphones on when I'm gaming. I mainly use them for running if anything.

>>62152557
>running with headphones.
Way to ask for a disaster to happen.
>I don't PC game
But you console game? Ever heard of steam sales?

Received my replacement HE400i's today and they have much better bass and the pads are equal thickness. Wtf I love hifiman now.

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>>62151745
Being an yurofag I bought it used. Otherwise crazy expensive in stores or have to gamble with duty fees.
So far it's my favorite but I don't have much experience with planars in that price range. It also helps that it is very comfy and light. The HD800S has definitively more soundstage but the sound is less to my tastes.

>>62152246
I'll eventually replace or upgrade the Ether but the TH-X00 is too unique, and it reminds me of the D2000 I used to have.

>>62152460
I'm already loaded in Bitcoin, selling those wouldn't really make a change in my holdings.

>>62152427
Never tried those in particular but angled pads are great. Don't know my so many pads are shitty stock.

>>62152618
context?

hey /g/ I won an auction for the Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7. Soon it will be delivered but I realized I will plug 'em in my PC's front 3.5mm jack. Will they sound good? Also where can I find very high quality audio files?

The right side has gotten very quiet on my MDR-V6, what are the likely causes of this problem?

>>62152644
>Never tried those in particular but angled pads are great.
Yeah the clamp is too weak on the TH-X00/Teak for brainwavz lambskin, so I threw on some NVX and it's much better. More like audeze. Cheap af too, $20. Have you put an attenuation ring on yours yet? It brings back the stock sound when you have angled, and it brings back the bass slam. And you still get to keep the width from the angled pads. I made mine out of a ps2 case. I tried a thicker plastic at first but it started to be SZ2000 level.

>>62152593
>running with headphones

As in iems (zs5) yeah. I don't see the problem if you go a specific route but I'm mainly talking about my own treadmill anyway.

I have heard of steam sales, but I rarely play games anymore and my ps4 has served me well. I'm 29 and I hate 99% of modern games, but bloodborne is my favorite game of all time so the ps4 was worth it for that alone.

>>62152720
connector on the right side of the V6/V7/7506s gets loose and you have to resolder it. you might as well do a headphone jack mod

>>62152720
>>62152766
I meant left side.

>>62152171
What is your opinion? Shopping for headphones o can take with me and those are an option.

>>62152741
I used Alpha Pads without and now using Dekoni fenestrated sheepskin + attenuation rings.
I'll probably go back to the Alphas, sound and comfort was the sweet spot.
But keep in mind that I have the Purpleheart which is bassier.

>>62152663
I received some a few weeks ago and was bitching about them because the bass was really quiet and pad thicker on right side. I wasn't sure if they were supposed to sound like that but apparently not.

>>62152714
Envy. I want to hear them. You can get a dac if you want. I get my music from rutracker and I also have a Spotify sub(quality is great)

>>62152763
>I'm mainly talking about my own treadmill anyway.
Black mirror, ep2.

>>62152785
>>62152766
the main wire connector or the one that runs between cups?

>>62152851
Oh, hifiman's QC.
Good to hear you were fortunate enough with support. I'm told their support sucks big time.

>>62152899
Never watched it, and I probably won't. I used to like charlier brooker and screenwipe etc but he's a bit shit now.

>>62152933
Well, Black Mirror is easy entertainment for the masses.
But fucked up, and therefore entertaining regarless.

>>62152846
>Dekoni fenestrated sheepskin
I almost bought those last week because they look sexy af, but I've heard bad experiences with fenestrated pads. I myself had a bad experience with the alcantaras. They measure and sound awful.

>>62152908
It's the external wire's connection to the left cup that has a shit soldering job to the driver and an awful small frizzy wire. Gravity pulls on it over time and you lose connection. Replace it with a headphone jack

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I've got some Momentum-in-Ears and Bose Quiet 35's for sound quality
Now I need something with a mic for gaming, am I allowed to ask for headset recommendations here?
My Hyper X's have been good to me but they're pretty much broken now

Friendly reminder that the dt990 is cheap and EQ's really well if you're on a budget.
Treble and mids can be fixed!
>tfw no hd600 yet

>>62152995
>Bose Quiet 35's for sound quality

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Don't want to make a thread for a small speaker question so I'll just ask here.

I recently got a pair of JBL LSR 305 speakers and have them plugged straight into my PC, they sound great but produce a nasty hissing noise when I turn their volume knobs up. I assume this is due to electrical interference as the hiss is much less when I plug it into my phone.

Would buying an inexpensive DAC like a Behringer UCA202 be sufficent if I just want to get rid of the annoying hissing?

>>62152959
Yeah, I see the appeal and I love dark things in general but it just screams something that normies would call dark. I know it's comedy, but Jam is where it's at. Chris morris is amazing in general.

Good affordable external sound card?

>>62153142
you want a dac with a separate power connection that isn't usb. Or if you do go usb powered then you want to get a usb hub that is powered separately from your computer

>>62153189
So you mean that even if I get a USB powered DAC and place it well away from my PC, it will still produce that level of electrical interference?

What difference does a USB hub make as long as the DAC itself isn't positioned in close proximity to any large power sources?

>>62153160
Fulla 2. Or e10k if it's a lot cheaper wherever you are.

>>62153275
No, it could solve the issue. It could be a ground loop which is what is likely causing the humming. It could also just be a shitty motherboard, it could even be EMI from your phone's LTE connection. The best bet is to get a usb dac that is away from your pc that doesn't share a power source. If this doesn't fix it then a better dac/amp or try a power cleaner. You can also shield your amp with copper shielding (which is what I need to do)

>>62153054
600 is glorious m8. It's amazing as it is but try adding 2 or 3db of sub bass and see what you think. If you know how to eq that is.

I have hd660s and I love them. I can get a pair of 990s for 80€, should I get it in case I would listen to music with bass/electronic music?

>>62153473
HD600s* and DT990s*
Phoneposting

>>62153339
>Try adding 2 or 3 db of subbass
So HD650

>>62153473
That sounds like a good price but the highs literally hurt compared to the 600. If that isn't a problem for you then I'd say go for it.

>>62153325
>>62153189
>>62153142
Okay so I did some experimenting and things just got interesting.

The room I have the speakers in is a repurposed garage with grounded power outlets. I laid an extension cord from an ungrounded outlet in my home in another room and plugged the speakers into the ungrounded outlet.

All the annoying humming disappeared!

>>62153540
It could be a problem, I listen alot to japanese electronic music with female vocalists and their voices somehow pitch high

>>62153554
sounds like a groundloop issue, you can just get an rca ground isolator or a power cleaner for your computer psu

>>62153525
I was waiting for that.

No. The treble on the 650 is even more recessed than the 600. The 650 lso has more mid bass. Take EQ out of the scenario and the 600 is better. Add 1-3db sub bass and the gap opens even further imo. The 650 is amazing because it's so similar to the 600. The fact is that the 650 really doesn't need to exist.

>>62153143
>it just screams something that normies would call dark.
It is. That's what I'm saying. It's silly-dark. But still somewhat entertaining regardless.

>>62153557
That combination honestly sounds like a nightmare. Stick with your 600's. Nothing is better unless you pay near a grand+

>>62153643
Are my hd600s good enough for trance music?

>>62148570
HD600 with inferior channel matching.

>>62153643
>Unless you pay near a grand+
Headphones are subjective

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>>62153557
>japanese female vocals
Definitely go with HD600.

>>62153726
Anon already owns HD 650s, dumdum

>>62153662
Assuming you have a good source (eg: fulla2 amp+dac), just give it a listen and see by yourself.

>>62153557
stay away from planar and closed back headphones, otherwise female vocals will sound in your head and in your face.

>>62153726
is this true post? Can anyone denounce this and put a better front?

>>62153771
Just eq your HD 650s and save your money

>>62153726
tfw when the flac kicks in and the highs turn into razors.

>>62153801
I don't have HD 650s

>>62153801
this desu or buy the HD600 from amazon and test it then return it when you realize.

>>62153557
That combination honestly sounds like a nightmare. Stick with your 600's. Nothing is better unless you pay near a grand+

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>>62153726
If you already have HD650, don't bother.
(I didn't backtrack enough on the conversation)

My current "amp", which is really just a home stereo system, has a fan which gets pretty irritating. The sound quality seems fine though and it's pretty old (at least 10-15 years).
What are some good amplifiers? How much would I need to spend to get similar quality without the shitty fan?

>>62153892
>>62153689
stop

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>>62153816
Oh, lol. Then HD600 all the way.

>>62153803
Not him but what? on the 600's? the 600's highs are recessed in a good way. They're one of the only top full sized headphones that don't hurt your fucking ears.

>>62153902
>amp
For headphones or speakers?
If headphones, look at the schiit fulla 2, magni 2, jotunheim.
Else schiit vidar.

>>62153908
I'm an actual 600 owner, I'm not plebspotter or whoever the anti 600 shitposter is. The 990's have harsh highs, this is a fact.

>>62153937
For speakers.
My bad.

Are these mod mic things just a meme or are they a viable alternative to desktop mics?
https://antlionaudio.com/

>>62153923
doesn't rolloff like other headphones after 10k and keeps going to 15k or something

>>62153951
I agree with you, but how that related to >>62153892?

>>62148540
>>output transistors heatsinked

Explain. How and why do I need to do this.

>>62153923
Some anon even calls them bright. IMO they're rolled off properly.

I'm looking for some in-ears
How good are Sennheisers Momentum's?

>>62153984
You quoted me and that other guy and said stop?

>>62153951
Your reply doesn't make sense

>>62148571
So you're saying the magni2 itself is snakeoil?
I disagree.

>>62154005
>Nothing is better unless you pay near a grand+
>Headphones are subjective

>>62153915
why are you blushing cutie

>>62153742
>>62153899
I have 600 not 650, but they sound fucking perfect. Even 24/96 jpop sounds god with them.
Was just looking around if the dt990s would be a good buy for electronic music.

>>62154064
Do you? My bad. Your post mention HD 660s
>>62153473

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>>62154064
>>62154078
It was a phone fail
Pic related

>>62154032
Then whats the point in talking about any of this stuff? I somewhat agree with you but it's not that simple. That's partly what makes this hobby so interesting.

>>62154021
So stop what? what is your point?>>62154105

>>62154163
Didn't mean to quite that random guy. Fucking hell.

>>62154183
Stop randomly (You)ing me

>>62154192
Shut it cuck. Add to the discussion or go away.

>>62154145
>Nothing is better unless you pay near a grand+
It isn't as simple as that either. I don't get it, what's your point?

>>62153473
Yes. I have HD650 and DT990. It's nice to have two different headphones. Also I don't find Beyer's treble ear raping.

>>62154254
See
>>62154105
>>62154064
>>62153662
>>62153557
>>62153473

>>62153965
overpriced but yes. Just watch videos of people demoing them. Also the omni version sounds a lot better.

>>62154256
Preference is obviously a major factor, but when a certain headphone sounds accurate as fuck compared to the others in it's price range you simply can't ignore it. This isn't just my opinion. Most people who have tried the 600 and 650 know that they're better than pretty much anything else near their price, unless you require heavy bass.

>>62154305
I also replied to you. I must have got mixed up somewhere, Ignore me.

>>62154145
I don't think there is much of a point. I don't find audio an interesting hobby either. Certain parts of audio reproduction are solved problems way beyond reasonable margin, or are approaching it.
There are some serious improvements needed to be made in various fronts. But for one reason or another, consumers, and audio enthusiasts included in that, do not focus so much on these areas.

>>62154314
>Most people who have tried the 600 and 650 know that they're better than pretty much anything else near their price, unless you require heavy bass.
I don't know what people you think of, but the wider market does not reflect this.

>>62154314
>650
>Accurate
wtf nigga?

>>62152995
SHP9500S + V-Moda BoomPro
Headsets are poor values.

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How do you do my fellow autists?
Is the HD600 really a better toy than my Beyerblocks 990-piece set?

>>62154411
wtf kind of autistic question is this?

>>62153473
All genres are best with accurate headphones like the HD600. Bass-heavy headphones are the worst possible headphones for bass-heavy music because the two stack and make it a mudfest.

>>62154352
So you think that most people that come across the 650 and 600 don't regard them as the best or one of the best headphones they have ever tried?

The internet and my real life say otherwise. I'm not including headphones that clearly cost more than those two though. Which is part of my argument. Normies think it's insane that someone would spend £200+ on headphones, never mind the amp+dac part.

>>62154431
Thanks for your post, it makes sense.
I listened to few trance albums with my hd600s + fiio x5 III (gonna order my schiit combo soon) and it sounded good. I'm mainly in weebshit tho.

>>62154472
>My real life
So your prefer neutral headphones more?

>>62154472
choice supportive bias on ancient headphones with history

>>62154363
600 is much more accurate. I'm trying not to trigger the 650 fags.

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>the HD600 were first introduced in 1994 as the HD580
>it is 23 years later
>they are still the best full-sized headphones in the world
Why?

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how are the joints on the Fostex TH-X00 and the Emu Teak? I think I'm going to join it after all despite the non-detachable cables. It's a pity but looks like there's a lot of documentation online on how to replace/mod it anyways.

I'm going for the $500 Ebony TH-X00. Any alternatives I should look into before dropping into this? Or heck should I just save the money and try out Focal Elears in a store or something? I already have SRH1540s at this price range.

Will I be satisfied by the build quality coming from the SRH1540s?

>>62154576
Then you're doing a bad job. Does anyone buy the HD 650s to be accurate?

>>62154501
No. I tried the 600 and they make music sound normal. I'm not a retard that needs others to tell me what's good or not. The 600 for me has destroyed every other headphone under £300. Most people in general agree. The general consensus is that the next 'upgrade' is the hd800 with EQ.

>>62154605
I may be wrong but aren't people buying the 650s for the darker signature?

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>>62154582
Because Sennheiser makes audiophilic devices while others imitate them with plastic ear piecing headsqeakers.

Best headphones as someone who's deaf in the left ear?
Or ones that I should avoid completely?

>>62154582
Because there are still brainlets who don't realize you don't need anything else than $3 earbuds and vast knowledge and expertise in EQing

>>62154588
The joints are okayish, build quality is pretty good, clamp is weak. Just don't be stupid with them. If you buy expect to buy these two to go with it:
http://www.nvx.com/xre100a-comfortmax-angled-cushions/
http://dekoniaudio.com/product/dekoni-audio-attenuation-ring-use-fostex-massdrop-x00-th610-th900-headphones/

>>62154641
buy a mono headset you cripple

>>62154667
That was rude edgemaster

>>62154486
I prefer things to sound 'normal' yes. Th only other preferences are wanting more bass, which is understandable. Or wanting a lot more treble, which doesn't make any sense unless you like your highs causing you pain. There'es more to headphones than that, but it's not even worth talking about at this price range. Nothing comes close overall to the 600 at it's price range. k702's are more spacious and that's the only obvious improvement at this price point. Everything else about that headphone is worse than the 600 though.

>>62154582
pic + timestamp

>>62154682
>>62154641
if you buy a balanced cable and amp your music will sound wide enough that it will sound like it's in stereo

>>62154624
I can't tell if you're trolling or not lol. Are you purposely making an example for the thread?

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>>62154576
>much more

>>62154641
I don't think so, but I have never really considered such case.
>>62154682
Seconding, very rude.
>>62154667
Please leave such rude comments for senshills.

>>62154624
the upgrade to the hd600/650 is the lcd-2, not the hd800

>>62154710
Good EQ with EqualizerAPO+PeaceGUI > amps and cables. It's like you love wasting money.

>>62154605
I'm doing a great job. I tried both out and kept the 600 because it's clearly better. I genuinely haven't been tempted by another full size headphone since.

>>62154712
I'm half drunk and I'm being honest. This board has been ruined by people like plebspotter and his minions... if he fucking has any. The 'pro' 600 posts are mostly bait and obvious to see. I'm being genuine. The 600 is very neutral, but not completely. The slight warmth it has makes the headphone imo.

>>62154755
you must not have heard balanced before, it's okay I understand anon

>>62154831
No wonder. you're not making any sense at times
>>62154790

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>>62154625
idiots think 600+50 means better. what it really means that you got tricked into buying inferior HD600s.

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>>62153988
Easy enough. Just do the four transistors at the back.

>>62154888
You're right, I clearly replied to the wrong guy at one point. I'm tired, tipsy and my eyeballs have been fucked lately. Other than that my opinion on the 600 and all other headphones in it's price range still stands.

>>62154974
Interesting, I might do it just for the sake of it. Does it noticeably cool the unit overall? can you give a link?

>>62154472
I have no idea what people you know.

I have watched hundreds of people have amazed reactions to any model, no matter what it sounds like.
I see these people with at audio shows and at stores.
These anecdotes and surveys are collected in audio magazines and research journals.
They put forth in sales memos to push models onto buyers.
There is no underestimating the anticipation that audio newbie experiences.

I also remember the dozen or so other headphones people would pick up over the HD600 and HD650, before the whole boom in headphone market around 2010 or so.

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>>62154999
Idk if there's any actual benefit to that, but, if anything, opening the device would void your warranty, so I'd recommend waiting until the device's out of warranty.

Also, should these transistors actually ever fry, they look trivial enough to replace, even if smd.

>>62154710
I'm guessing something like the e10k isn't balanced huh?
Might just deal with it for now, can't really afford $600+ for the amp alone

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>>62154715
This doesn't appear to be a credible dummy head.

>>62155141
Are you the guy who posted
the pic? I know he's mostly doing head fi tier meme shit but i'd add some heatsinks if they're cheap enough, because why not.

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>>62154715
>>62155179
Here's a much more valid comparison done with a credible dummy head.

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>>62155197
Nopes. Just yet another (happy) uber stack + HD600 which still has his amp on warranty.

>>62155123
I see your point, but the 600 is fucking ancient in terms of modern audio and it's still the best in terms of price. I don't give a shit about audio shows, or what what 'experts' say. imo the 600 is clearly better sounding than any of the other £100-300 headphones. And like I said, a shit load of people on the internet agree with that. I'd like to say that it's just my preference, but it's clearly not.

>>62155251
Yeah, probably not worth getting into then. Mine gets warm but it's obvious that nothing bad is going to happen. It would have been a random cool thing to do I guess. I put a tiny heatsink in my retro pie. I know it does next to nothing but it was fun for a tech pleb like me.

Guys I love you so don't do this. I emulated Sonic and played with my HD600 at a decent volume. I play through all of Midori Hills Zone and I think the high frequencies of the rings damaged my ears. They're burning really bad right now.

>>62155222
"Systems with narrow tolerances (± 1 dB), hand-picked in pairs"

T-thanks Sennheiser.

>>62155313
>decent volume
Probably not "decent" but WAY TOO LOUD.

Protip. If you're holding headphones at an arm's distance and still can hear them playing music, the volume is too high.

>>62155179
>>62155222
We're comparing a difference between two curves here anon. Whatever measurement errors are going to appear on both curves.

Btw to my ears the HD650 sounds closer to what this dude measured with his homemade rig, the highs are not drooping like on the Golden Ears measurements.

>>62155358
m8 you just responded to an autistic weirdo that baited you. Ignore him.

>>62155358
Thanks. I guess I now understand why people call them veiled if I should be playing them at 2% volume.

>>62155401
Get a job.

>>62155401
>if I should be playing them at 2% volume
2%... you're using software volume? An external dac+amp like the fulla2 is suggested.

As for the protip, it isn't sennheiser specific. Valid for any headphones, beside IEMs, where EVEN THEN can still be too loud.

Protip: Take great care of your hearing. It's far too late to regret it when you've destroyed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEd7ru24Vx0
oooh

kek at the HD600 autists scrambling to defend their overpriced shit headphone.

Get a job and a real pair of headphones and an amp.

>>62155442
You mean well but you're replying to b8.

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>>62155478
>Get a job and a real pair of headphones and an amp.
Like these? :^)

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i want to get #777 because number autism. Or are we already past that point because of whatever review units were given out?

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>>62155478
E P I C

>>62155516
>EPYC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N156OYGQt0Y

>>62155442
I returned my O2 because the sound difference wasn't worth the cost when I could buy more alcohol. When I listen to stuff I actually just listen to enjoy and not analysis if the money I spent was worth it.

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>>62154588
Check out the ath w1000z if you got a big noggin. Better build quality and made in japland, $400.

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>>62155543
>O2
w/o ODAC? Maybe just get a Fulla 2... that's honestly good value and maximum niftyness.
>alcohol
Not much ROI. It makes music sound better, but you run out of alcohol quickly.

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>Budget: $100, I ideally don't want to go over $130 with tax.
>Location: Canada
>Source: my phone
>Type of headphone: Full sized, but maybe not too large if possible - although I can pull it off because /fit/, and thus, can pull of autism
>Open or closed: closed if possible
>Comfort level: fairly, because glasses.
>Sound signature: neutral pls
>Past headphones: Had these big on ear JBL's that worked nice. August EP650 bluetooth,I noticed the sound quality wasn't as good but the BT was very nice addition.

I would prefer BT if possible, because my phone is shit and the jack is iffy. A removable cord would also be nice. Also, build quality/resistance to being wrecked would be nice.

>>62155503
Burn those ugly assfuck bass bloated toy shit looking HD598 or give them to some unfortunate poor fag like gobstoppers.

>>62155604
>$100 budget
>Location: Canada
I feel sorry for you, anon.
>closed, neutral
HD569, HD380 Pro, CB-1. They're all a bit bassy. Closed tend to be.
>if possible
Else HD579, HD558, SHP9500S.

>>62155515
that's not the first time they have been released dumbass, you aren't getting a 777 SN

>>62155593
no

>>62155624
>HD598 <chain of insults>
They're absolute garbage now that I'm used to HD600, but they have high nostalgia value. I used them for years, and they were my first decent set.
>give them to some unfortunate poor fag
That'd be like teaching the riffraff that they can just live on welfare. I'm paying taxes, fuch the leeches.

>>62155593
>Maybe just get a Fulla 2... that's honestly good value and maximum niftyness.
Fuck off please or I'll notice Schiit how bad you are at work.

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>>62155648
forgot my meme freeze frames

>>62155358
That tip is fucking stupid for full sized open headphones, it only works for IEMs or earbuds. Using a dB meter to measure, I can hear full sized headphones very clearly at 60dB measured inside the cup, which even accounting for additional gain, still doesn't reach remotely harmful levels.

>>62155669
>somebody recommends schiit
>must be a schill
kek

>>62155687
>I can hear full sized headphones very clearly at 60dB measured inside the cup
TIL: You're not deaf.

60dB... christ.

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>>62155696
sheeiiit. how'd you know?

>>62155711
I meant 60dB measured inside the cup at an arms length. Do I have to spell out every little detail for you?

>>62155630
Thanks the CB-1 looks good, but any other BT recc's? The SHP9500S doesn't seem to be BT, and it's the only one close to price range.

>>62155714
I'd suggest to quit smoking. It's terrible for you.
You could easily save up for some HD600 real quick if you weren't spending the money in cigarettes.

>>62155670
If only if he didn't drink. He'd probably...
*sob*

Any good alternatives to the Etymotics HF5 or HiFiMan RE400? I don't like the form of the HF5, and I heard the build quality of the RE400 is pretty bad, so what alternatives are there in a similar price range for neutral in ear phones?

>>62155741
Anon... that's not a cigarette.

>>62155670 >>62155790
Alcohol slows down reflexes and such, makes you way less capable of dealing with some situations.
He should have known better than to drink.

>>62155263
I'm not sure you do.
That the HD600/650 (and HD 25) are the stalwarts of Senn *would* be indicative that something went right with them. But, there are many other different sounding headphones with consistent followings, models that have had little changes to them in at least a decade, sometimes even two.
There are, at any given time, hundreds of headphones being peddled by loyal fanatics. A cacophony of appraisals, too many to count and incoherent.

Simply, I don't believe you when you declare a headphone to be above all else. The more passionately you declare this, the more reason you give me to believe you don't even have a general market survey. That goes for any audio product, not just the HD 600 or whatever your flavor is.


>>62154588
The Denon/Fostex models have had a general problem with the screws that I'm not sure has been fixed yet.
Why do you want this headphone when you have the SRH1540?

I would love to get some HD600's but they leak too much and I want to attach a mic
What would be the next best thing without the insane leakage?

>>62155811
He's right though. HD600 are literally, factually and objectively the best full-sized headphones at any price range.

>>62155833
closed headphone

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>plug hd600s into headphone amp
>hear a loud pop
should i be worried?

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time to hotglue this kawaii headphone and sell it to a poor sap.

>>62155811
>Why do you want this headphone when you have the SRH1540?
mid-fi stupidity i guess

the next plan is to just find some headphone store in Toronto with the Focal Elears along with other high-end headphones and see if dipping into that high-end is worth it for me.

i have tinnitus though so I dunno why I even bother.

>>62155811
Again, I understand your point and I don't
entirely disagree with you. I just feel that the 600 is the best at a certain price point. We will have to agree to disagree.

What are your favorite headphones? I'm genuinely curious.

>>62155854
How much do you get paid? why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>>62155854
isn't that just the safety on the amp itself

forgot what it's called.

>>62155838
pic + timestamp

>>62155854
Sounds like you bought schiit.

anyone else got reccomendations?
>>62155604
There are Audio Studio On ear BT headphones, (same compay that makes the CB-1's which another anon recommended). There's also the Sony MDRZX220BT/B Wireless On-Ear Headphones. The over ear BT headphones at my price range seem to be made by sketch companies? I'm not entirely sure however.

>>62155907
are you in prison?

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>>62155961
no but my soul is

How does the Etymotic MC5 compare to the Etymotic HF5? The MC5 is at half the price of the HF5.

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>>62155907
>onaho...
SERIOUSLY?

>>62155947
Nah, he bought schiit, anon :^)

>>62155854
Isn't that just the safety relay in the amp engaging?

>>62155907
garbage headphones

>>62155907
Will it be cheap?

>>62155358
I don't think this is accurate, I can hear my headphones in a quiet room even at like 5% volume and at that point they're very obviously too quiet even when I'm wearing them.

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>>62155992
きもち です。

>>62156023
If you had a schiit stack, I'd tell you my normal listening volume by knob position, and you'd probably be surprised it's 8 o'clock on low gain.

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>>62155854
Probably some DC offset on the output of your amp. You probably got a shitty or faulty amp. Enjoy your coil displacement and 2nd harmonic distortion.

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>>62156039
It's alright. Just don't apply it on the headphones.

>>62156041
You can't really make any sort of claim like that, since it depends on a shitload of factors.

>>62156088
Foobar2k, replaygain with defaults. Same headphone and stack, same resulting typical volume on music that has the replaygain tags.

>>62156068
it's water based so it's okay. I wiped it off and genki again ^_^

>>62156116
None of those conditions were previously mentioned though, not to mention that not all audio on a computer comes from foobar and anything else which doesn't use replaygain will require manual volume adjustment more likely than not.

>>62156143
The filaments to the driver will rust.
>>62156155
Fair enough.