/pcbg/ PC Building General: Best girl edition.

Are windows 10 still free?

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Should I go mATX, ATX, or mini ITX?

Ryzen only really has B350 boards for mATX and idk if they're any good at overclocking and all that shit, and coffee lake is still like a month away. Should I wait?

Also post best cases. Pic related, too bad the internal layout is pretty dated

>>62132672

>Ryzen only really has B350 boards for mATX

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of B350 boards in ATX and miTX flavors (maybe not so much in the latter), you should probably wait if you are not in a hurry

>>62132507
fd are crappy imho but the 3000 was good for the money

>>62132625
no

>>62132672
why would you want to overclock on an mATX board?

>>62132730
that's not what i'm saying, i'm saying that there's no """high end""" boards in the mATX form factor so if i wanted to go mATX route i have to settle for b350 and i'm unsure as to whether they are actually good for something like a ryzen 1700-1800x

friendly reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWASNajSdpg

Vega56 came and went in 20 fucking seconds. Did the faggots who wanted it get any?

I got one I intend to scalp.

is an r9 fury for around 260 dollars a good deal?

Is there any point in going from a 4C/4T CPU like the 3570k to another 4C/4T CPU like the 1200 or should I wait until I can grab at least a 1400? Does a newer architecture bring that much performance improvements or is it just improvements in things like power consumption?

>>62132948
New architecture should always improve per-core results at a similar clock speed, that's why Bulldozer was a such a flop when it didn't
Anyhow, go for a 1500X and enjoy the multi-threaded goodness of Ryzen

IMPORTANT NOTE FOR RYZEN BUILDS WITH WINDOWS 10

Make sure you're installing from a fresh, updated build (probably downloaded) and not one printed on a disc in 2015, or you'll get sucked into an endless CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT loop

>>62132799
B350 boards are great. There's no reason to assume that they aren't good enough for ryzen 7.

>>62132808
Now if only the price would be reasonable.

>>62133052
how much is that

>>62133033
You really only need X370 if you want to multi-GPU
Or you just fucking love having ALL of the USB3 ports

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>>62132813
I almost got one but bestbuy refuses to ship to my address.

>>62132625
No, but you can just not activate it after installing and the only downside is a watermark and limited themes. Or activate it with microsoft toolkit.

>>62133102
Buy nvidia like the good goy you are

>>62133124
Is it legit tho?

>>62133137
the first option is legit, the second is piracy. you can buy a key online for a handful of money, don't get a $120 from a retailer.

>>62133162
ok thanks

is buying a Ryzen 7 right now stupid with Coffee Lake coming out?

Recommendations for good cases? Particularly some not-too-expensive cases with decent cable management options. I'm building a cheaper pc right now, but I want a nice case that i'll be able to keep, and that's not too awful to build in.

Riddle me this /pcbg/ - I have 32GB DDR3 now and will be upgrading systems very soon and will require DDR4.

I have on quite a few occasions, run myself out of RAM, it's usually 'user error' (forgetting which VMs were on then starting more) but it's happened it caused my system to crawl.
I then buckled and finally gave myself a swap partition (yes, I was running swapless) but I don't trust swap on NAND, no matter what the SSD torture test said.

So I have several options for the new system:
- 32GB DDR4 + 32GB Optane for swap (~USD$440)
- 64GB DDR4 (~USD$710)

Which would you consider prudent.
I'm not running over 32GB all the time, but it happens.

>>62133345
To elaborate, I was looking at the S340 which looks quite nice but is a little expensive for me (I missed a sale for it at 60€ and now it's more like 75€).

>>62133322
Maybe, Ryzen will be better value, but if Intel prices competitively, AMD might drop prices...

I'd say if you need/want to build now, do it.
If you're going to have buyers remorse immediately wait - you can still buy Ryzen later and it will likely be cheaper (price cut or not, retailers will discount it a little)

>>62133414
If you don't need or care for HDD mass storage in that box, go for it, if your going to have HDDs - don't do it.
The HDD mounts are pure garbage.

If you need HDDs go Fractal Design Define C or Corsair 400C - similar cases but with decent HDD mounts.

>>62133322
I'd wait for the 6 core intel benchmarks if you're not in a hurry.

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>Tfw won't be able to get an AiB strix vega 56 at launch

>>62133322
Why do people unironically believe Intel 6 cores will be anything spectacular? The 6800k wasn't something really special.

>>62133760
No one think they'll be spectacular, just that they'll be 6c at current Intel consumer desktop 4c prices.
Which will itself cause a shakeup.

If Intel prices them even lower, we could see *real* competition

>>62133506
Some 8700K benchmarks leaked the other day
>meets or is slightly better than Ryzen 7 at MT
>Far better than Ryzer 7 at ST

>>62133760
It's reported to have single core like a 7700k (which is top tier for consumer level stuff) and multicore performance at or above ryzen 7 level which basically would make choosing ryzen 7 not worth it unless there is a big enough price difference. People are saying this will be the new 2600k

Any recommendations?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n7Bz3F

>>62133993
if you're not playing video games, that's good.
if you're playing video games, that gpu is bad.
consider getting an SSD and a better case maybe.

>>62134028
SSDs are too pricey
What's wrong with the case?

>>62134072
nothing's wrong with it, it will hold your parts just fine.
some cases are nicer to build in, look better, allow easier cable management etc.
but if you don't care about that, no reason to pay more.

>>62132625
>>62132625

Dude windows 10 pro keys are like 15 euros...

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>>62133079
>how much is that

>>62132799
Most B350 boards are fine as long as you don't get cheap shite. If you go mATX, the board with the best VRM out of the box is probably the ASRock AB350M Pro4 even with its fake double phases. The only ones to really worry about when you're using an 8 core Ryzen are the ones with no VRM heatsinks and maybe the whole Gigabyte B350 lineup.

>>62134242
how would you say the top end MSI b350 boards compare to the ASRock? What are they the Mortar line?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZCWJLD

how is this for the first pc build? I'm not gonna be doing any super crazy gaming, but I will play games like CS:GO, Dota2, ARK, etc.

Should I go with ryzen 7 1700 and 1050ti or Ryzen 5 1600x and RX570 ?

>>62134282
No point in getting a 1700 for gaming.

>>62134275
Most of the MSI mATX boards use the same VRM design as each other which is roughly on par with the ASRock. The MSI has more phases but the ASRock has better cooling (and IIRC better MOSFETs too). Avoid the MSI Gaming Pro though, it's kinda hot garbage for an 8 core.

>>62134282
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qvGhQV

>>62134282
>getting a high end processor and a low end gpu
why are there so many dumbasses on this board?

>>62134381
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qvGhQV
forgot hdd. pick new models from seagate (st1000dm010) or toshiba p300. wd blacks are a meme and not for normal storage

>>62134384
Not everyone on the face of the planet is a computer expert.

>>62134320
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qvGhQV
It's not going to be just gaming, I'm going to use it for my future work. Finishing my last year in comp sci, focusing on server administration and networking. Plus maybe some quick video editing and shit, nothing too crazy.

>>62134384

look at >>62134522

>>62134444
It's not hard to do half an hour of research before picking parts.

>>62134541
>needing 16 threads to compile java and c++

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Why can't they just make more Radeons?

>>62134561
>>62134561

When would I need to use Ryzen 7 instead of Ryzen 5 then?

>>62134522
you still really don't need a 1700 then.

>>62134621
Some anon the other day said they're selling something like 10 times as many cards as they usually do.

Where da Vegas at?

>>62134836
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3623503

German Amazon is selling Win10 Pro OEM keys for as little as 15€.

How?

Daily reminder that the intel i7 7700k is the best gaming processor right now and if you buy anything else for gaming you are either retarded or poor. The 8700k is going to btfo amd and reinstate intel's dominance in the cpu marked for the next 5 years.

Daily reminder that the intel i7 7700k is the best gaming processor right now and if you buy anything else for gaming you are either retarded or poor. The 8700k is going to btfo amd and reinstate intel's dominance in the cpu marked for the next 5 years.

>>62134847
I don't see all that other bells and whistles that come with it, but fuck paying $100 for games really worth $50 at most.

Thanks for the heads up anon.

>>62134882
Is it amazon or a third party seller?

>>62134937
Mostly third parties it seems.

>>62134905
>>62134917
jewtel pls go

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Thoughts on this case?

>>62134950
as much as you want to deny it the facts are with intel. So what if they draw more power you get more power and thats the only thing that matters. There is no reason to buy a ryzen cpu. There is nothing the ryzen line can do that any intel cpu cant do better. If you buy ryzen you are just misinformed.

What's a good router with WiFi for someone with 60mbs internet? I have a very old router and feel like I'm not getting the most out of it. Like it's before AC routers

>>62134992
would look good with an intel 7700k in it

>>62133033
I almost fucked up buying one, I didn't know it only had 4 sata ports. Thankfully it was an asrock b350 pro, it had additional 2 ports from an external chip.

>>62134621
AMD margins are razor thin, and they may even be operating at a loss on Vega 56. Making even more cards might not be financially sensible.
Moreover, increasing capacity to compensate for mining can quickly turn into a glut of unusable stock should mining crash (which is impossible to predict). NVIDIA faces the same gamble.

>>62134992
that's a big guy

Reposting:

Is it normal that the colour quality of my monitor goes down if it runs at 144hz instead of 60hz?

>>62135085
that sounds weird. Are you using some custom icc profiles for your display or anything?

what do you guys think of this build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/H2KHNG
I dont want to use a ryzen in my pc. I would rather have better single threaded performance instead of the moar coars meme.

>>62134992
Genuine thoughts? Any case that has the face space is better sectioning it off for modular 5.25 format instead of maintaining a solid face.

If I had the money or was in a position to apply for a position, I could probably bang out some mean modular cases that could give a person all they could ever ask for. Granted, I'd basically abandon form factors and you'd have some weird-ass cases, but they'd be cases ready to load or customize with whatever your heart could desire.

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>>62135163
For instance, the 740 is such a fucking waste of time and space. They could've put in some 1.5-wide options in there that no other cases offer unless you overpay for double-wide Lian-Li shit. But they didn't.

>>62135162
>kaby+vega
are you going for the ultimate housefire?
If you're so focused on getting highest frames possible at sub-4K res then just get a damned 1080Ti.
Ryzen is the new good thing, vega is not. Well, maybe it is if you decide to invest into the FineWine technology.

>>62135161
No, it's a new monitor and I reinstalled windows 2 days ago. My old monitor is running 60hz and gets a better picture.

>>62134992
I think it's ugly as fuck, but it's probably my favorite case for the amount of potential it has.

If I was buying a new case right now, I actually buy one, even though I think it's fucking disgusting (the grills, it's the grills, also the weird angles on the case don't help - but all that trim is removable and replaceable, the basic chassis is solid as fuck)

>>62135228
well then, that is normal. 144Hz panels are TN, which will always have worse colours than regular IPS panels or even better TN panels.
Either way, I'm surprised you didn't know what you were getting into with the high-refresh rate display.

>>62135162
Your MB has no upgrade path. Just keep that in mind.
Your SSD is bargain-bin. If 2K is your budget, get an 850 EVO or NVME.
Vega 64 is more expensive and draws more power than a 1080 while not being faster. Get a 1080. At $700 you might as well get a 1080ti which trashes it in every respect for the same price.
You don't need a 1K PSU. 650W-750W for a balls-to-the-wall build is completely reasonable.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NLCbJV

Usage: gaymen, shitposting, machine learning crap

>>62135305
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NLCbJV
>paying 100 dollars more for muh lightning meme
just get a strix or the evga sc2 and be done with it, unless you're going under ln2 you never buy a kingpin or lightning
for machine learning you'll get a lot more out of a r7 1700 or similar than a 7700k, and vega might actually make some sense for you with better computer performance

>>62135251
Yeah but the thing is my old monitor used TN panels as well, costed nothing, was a office screen and the colors of my new monitor are better when I set it to 60hz as well.

>>62133408
What prices are those? Because pcpartpicker says you can get 4x16GB DDR4-3200 for less than $600

>>62132507
>Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser

Isn't that only true for AMD cards?

Just recommend only NVidia ones. It's sad but what can you do.

I've ,been out of the hardware game for years, is there any CPU+mobo combo I can get for ~$350 that would futureproof me for at least 3-4 years? I'm currently running a 8320 and looking at Ryzen 1600, how long til that becomes a bottleneck?

>>62135491
Miners use NVIDIA cards as well.
Even if they didn't, it's a net increase in demand. GPU supply is constrained for all customers. People that would buy AMD, now buy NVIDIA, increasing demand, etc.

>>62135491
>Isn't that only true for AMD cards?
Fuck no. 1060 6GB was $250 at release. That was over a year ago, so it should be cheaper by now, yet good luck finding one at that price.

>>62135520
There may be a big buyout of nvidia cards when miners realize Curecoin is the most profitable coin to mine now

Is the RX460/560 an option if you use GNU/Linux? Last time I checked NVidia GPUs were terrible for Linux.

>>62135576
RX 560 worked just fine for me on Manjaro

>>62135576
Amd is open source friendly. It's why their cards are so good at mining.

If I have a 1080 ti should I wait for 8700k? Ryzen will bottleneck it right?

>>62135576
I have a 550 I got just so I'd have a GPU until the prices come down to sane level and it's working just fine so far, although I had to upgrade to 4.12 kernel.

>>62135642
Not unless you're trying to play games at 1080@144Hz.

So what is happening with graphics cards? I can't buy a bang for buck one now because of the miners. Is it gonna stay like this for awhile?

>>62135642
>will my modern high end cpu bottleneck my high end modern gpu
jesus christ why are richfags so autistic?

>>62135664
so practically every game will be a ok with 1440p@144Hz?

>>62135671
it has shitty single thread performance mr. neet

>>62135667
Nobody can say for sure.
It could end in a month, or continue for a year, or never truly end.

>>62135642
>Ryzen will bottleneck it right?
No.

>>62135677
As soon as you try max settings above 1080p, you'll pretty much always be bottlenecked by your GPU before Ryzen will become bottleneck.

>>62135693
>it has shitty single thread performance mr. neet
Slightly worse than Kaby Lake is not "shitty".

>>62133993
That CPU seems like overkill for that setup

>>62135693
Oy vey the shills are real.

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how cool is the new meshify case? I think it looks nice.

>>62135729
1080 Ti gets great QHD and QHD+ performance. Stop spreading misinformation.

>>62135729
>Slightly worse than Kaby Lake is not "shitty".

I would compare it to ivy bridge
>>62135752
not a shill when most games prefer single thread over multithread. I want to play older games too

>>62135760
It's actually a really good case, if your considering picking it up do it. It has Fractal's great cable management as with all their cases, and it has a lot better airflow than any other of their cases. TG for a good price too. Only problem I've seen is AIO's, if you have a well-sized GPU there's not gonna be a lot of room between an AIO and the GPU.

should i buy a 6gb 1060 from evga??

help i need a new gpu. my monitor has freesync but i've been waiting months for 580 prices to drop

open to other suggestions on gpus. $300 is the upper limits of my budget

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Do I just eat the loss and buy a 6700k/7700k?

I was hoping Coffee Lake would be compatible, so I bought a decent z170 board+i3 6100 to upgrade later, but you know.

Coffee Lake apparently is supposed to be an actual upgrade, not only in Cores but Performance.

Just not sure if I just get a 6/7700k and just fuck it. Since I've already invested in the board/memory.

>>62135760

you're literally buying a faraday cage

>>62135792
not concerned about AIOs. I have a Define R3 and it's nice to see that the included a basement for the psu.

>>62135815
...and?

>>62135760
No matter its relative strengths or weaknesses, the echo chamber of /g/ ensures it will show up in an outsize number of builds whose builders know of no alternatives. Because Fractal.

>>62135772
And 1600x will get you great gaming performance. What's your point?

>>62132672
Don't fall for the mini ITX meme. Mini ITX boards are almost always significantly more expensive than micro ATX, the cases are obviously smaller so they're harder to work inside, the CPU cooler height is more limited, airflow is worse, you have fewer expansion slots, etc.

There is really no reason to go mini ITX unless you're trying to impress somebody. The amount of space saved is miniscule, even if you're living in some crowded country like Japan and your apartment is a 500sq ft studio, the space saved is not worth it.

Anyone else planning on waiting for the 1900x so they can get the full 64 lanes?

>>62135797
if you can get a 6700K for $200 i'd go for it

>>62135797
What is your use case?
If gaming, your CPU won't hold back anything short of a 1070 as it is.

>>62135866
for what purpose

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>>62135873
>384 Canadian pesos(on sale btw)+15% tax

>>62135906
used, then?

>>62135887
some fun M.2 storage arrays

>>62135937
I'm too poor for that anon. HF with your thingys

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>>62135880
Mild gaming, Solid Works+other CAD/CAM, occasional video editing stuff.

My i3 6100's doing me fine right now.

I just don't want to get gouged when there's no new 6/7 series chips for sale.

Was hoping to get longevity of my old 775 Quad Core(q6600). So I invested in a good board with hopes to upgrade to an i5/i7 later.

I invested in a decent board hoping to upgrade later. But it just seems waste to invest more into Kaby/Sky Lake when Coffee Lake's apparently going to be so much better.

>>62135921
Yeah might try to grab some used i5.

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Anyone know when gpu prices are going back to normal or a least drop a bit?

>>62136017
>when there's no new 6/7 series chips for sale.
Speaking personally, I wouldn't mind buying a used CPU. They're built like tanks, and are always the last thing to go bad in a machine.

I would like to request that PC case manufacturers stop using pronged side panels altogether. Please.

I think i finally arrived at something good.
Target is gaming, initially at 1080p 144hz, upgrading to 1440p@144hz when i can afford the monitors.


AMD Ryzen 5 1600x
ASUS GeForce GTX 1080Ti ROG Strix Gaming
G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4, 3600mhz, 2x8GB
MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon

Thoughts? Wouldn't mind shaving a few dollars off without taking too much of a performance hit if at all possible.

>>62136105
Probably what I'll end up doing.

I just meant getting price gouged. Where like the prices are ridiculous(DDR2 ram). Where you pay so much for a obsolete/older hardware.

>>62136209
>X370 board
Nice Anon, people tend to buy a bunch of high spec hardware and skimp out on the board.

>>62136240
not them

What is your reasoning to buy an X370 board? Everyone else says they are not needed

>>62136209
IIRC, most motherboards only support 3200 mhz at max, though you may get lucky. IIRC, the Trident Z ram uses Samsung B-die which Ryzen loves.

>>62135906
take my car too

>>62136209
drop the 1600x to the 1600, and instead of the trident z rgb get something with samsung b-die. Not all of the trident z is, the compatability it good but for anything over 3200 you want the best shot you can get. Past 3200 latency matters more, so if thats 3466 cas 16 you're better off with 3200 cas 14 just so you know
everything else looks good though my man

>>62136209
Most users don't need the features X370 offers. Unless you really like USB ports and plan to SLI.
You don't need the 1600X if you intend to OC the chip yourself.

Pixio PX277
Good or no?

>>62136265
I like it for the VRMs and the fact that any io cards or gpus I put in the PCIe with my gpu will run at x16.

>>62133322
Do you:
Have a small-ish budget?
Want a path to upgrade in the future?
Aren't looking to squeeze every last frame out of gaming?
If the answer is yes then going Ryzen right now is perfectly fine

So, doing more case research. "Silent" cases are just a meme, right? All evidence I can find suggests a minimal benefit at 100% load only. You won't even notice unless you're torture testing.

>>62136231
If the i3 is doing what you want it to do, I'd just wait until it doesn't and then think about whether you should upgrade the CPU or board entirely.
If you do upgrade, CAD/CAM stuff looks to be more suited to Ryzen imo.

>>62134992
>cube case
Into the trash it goes

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I-is it getting old, /g/?

>>62136324
>any io cards or gpus I put in the PCIe with my gpu will run at x16.
Multi-GPU is a bad idea in general.
Add-in cards like SSDs tend to work at x8.

>>62136343
its not silent unless there are no fans and it's just a giant heatsink

>>62135845
It looks cool though

>>62136368
There is no old.
There are only chips that do what you want, and those that don't.

>>62136340
Not them but what worries me is that zen 2 or zen 3 might not even offer an improvement in single thread performance like is AM3 and AM3+

Best Fractal Case is Define C TG. This is not a debate

>>62136419
what does Define C offer than Define R5 doesn't

>>62136393
>Not them but what worries me is that zen 2 or zen 3 might not even offer an improvement in single thread performance like is AM3 and AM3+
There isn't even any question about that. It's a refinement of a brand new architecture, so obviously it'll improve single-threaded performance, and the improvements will almost certainly be significant going from 1st to 2nd generation. Just look at Bulldozer vs Piledriver.

>>62136393
Thats a fair concern for sure. That said, Ryzen is king in pretty much every scenario barring high end gaymen rigs, and even then its pretty close. Upgrading to Ryzen is not a dumb move by any stretch of the imagination.

>>62136278
I thought the trident Z RGB was samsung b-die, fuck. What kit would you recommend instead?

>>62136278
>>62136292
So i can OC the 1600 to the exact same as the 1600x? The higher base clock doesnt matter?

>>62136265
Ive skimped on mobos before and its really bitten me in the ass, i'd rather get something a bit better than i need, than something that will crap out on me in a year.

>>62136381
Well, the idea is to dampen the sound to make it less noticeable. Brands like Fractal Design are based around the idea.

But evidence I can find shows it does nothing. A case in general is what matters. So long as it isn't open air, you're find. An extra $50 for sound-dampening foam on the sides seems to do jack and shit.

>>62136440
A non shite window in terms of size and material used

>>62136468
>i'd rather get something a bit better than i need, than something that will crap out on me in a year.
Chipsets aren't strictly a question of reliability. You can get an X370 that explodes and a B350 that doesn't.
You are really paying for features that you may or may not need, more than reliability.

>>62136468
G Skill Flare X is all B-Die as far as I know.

In the market for a 1080 ti, is there an objectively better choice? Currently deciding between EVGA (ft3), MSI (gaming x), and Asus (Strix/OC).

>>62134905
8700k will literally be a 7700k with 2 more cores, and require LN2 to keep it from melting.

>spending a shitload of shekels on a mobo
Cant relate

>>62136477
I mean, I could be wrong in the assumption. I hope I am. Because a quieter case sounds like a great idea. Right now I have a fan buzzing in my ear.

>>62136500
Correction, the 2400 Flare X is Hynix, but the 3200 is B-Die

>>62136504
The only difference is the noise and cooling strix is generally considered the best model for your money.

>>62135491
The 1060, and the 1070 to a lesser degree, are also quite inflated.

>>62136532
Should I be worried about GPU sag? All three of these are hefty cards (especially for dual/2.5 slot), but my mobo has reinforced brackets if that does anything.

>>62135862
It's good for travelling when you don't want a laptop.

>>62136545
The 1070 was inflated before the miner boom too. Dunno about the 1060 though.

>>62136468
>So i can OC the 1600 to the exact same as the 1600x? The higher base clock doesnt matter?
In theory, 1600x is better binned so you may be able to get better overclock. In practice, that means you might be limited to 3.9GHz on 1600 where 1600x would reach 4.0GHz. And even that isn't a guarantee, you might get a particularly shitty 1600x or win the silicon lottery with a 1600. So it's really not a big difference and strictly speaking the 1600 offers better price/performance. If you're going to spend money to get a good cooler anyway, no-one can fault you for getting the 1600x, though.

de.pcpartpicker.com/list/qB4zVY

first build, mainly using it for gaming. Any suggestions?

>>62136594
>>62136545
also, even if prices are inflated, NVidia cards are AVAILABLE. Widely.

>>62136607
Get faster RAM.

>>62136607
If you are going to OC yourself, just get an R3 1200.

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I spent an hour last week tinkering with my bios settings and got my 1700 to 3.7ghz stable at 1.35 volts. Should I try to push it any further? I initially tried 3.9 at 1.37 and it worked but I wanted to is less power, slowly brought it down and cinebench started becoming iffy at anything over 3.7. Here's my current build:
>Ryzen 1700 ([email protected])
>Crosshair VI Hero
>G Skill Trident Z RGB 3200mhz CAS14
>GTX 1080

Anyonw knows of a retro-y looking case? I prefer it small
And some monitor that matches would be nice, I don't play vidya btw

>>62136653
like the Vengeance LPX 8GB DDR4-3000?
Is RAM speed really this significant for Ryzen?

>>62136689
[email protected] is fine anon, it'll match real nice with that 3200 cas 14 you got going too

>>62136896
2666 is fine on a budget, the improvements go down after 2666. anything above that you will have to look at the QVL and make sure your motherboard supports it.

>>62136896
Check the motherboards QVL for compatible kits, pcpartpicker doesn't do that for you. 3000MHz is fine, I wouldn't recommend going below 2666MHz.

And yeah, due to Infinityfabric being tied to RAM bandwidth, faster RAM makes a big difference.

>>62136689
I forgot to mention that I'm on water - H100i v2 w/ML120s
>>62136933
Alrighty, I'll try it again tonight see how it goes. How much power would be too much? Anything past 1.4?

>>62137009
1.4 is the max for safe daily OC iirc

>>62136689
1.35 for 3.7 seems high, especially considering you could get it to 3.9 for just 1.37V which is fine. Usually the R7 1700 can work at pretty low voltages (1.2-1.25) up to 3.7 GHz. Past that though you need to ramp up the voltage a lot to get it stable. Mine for example is fine at 1.22 at 3.7, but past that i need to go a lot higher with voltages and i don't like it heating too much (i'm using the stock cooler). I think AMD suggested not going past 1.4V.

>>62136419
*Meshify C
It actually has good airflow and a not shitty looking front.

>>62137319
I was going to say this too. I agree.

Is the Flare X still the best RAM kit for Ryzen?

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Might be a common question but how do 1080ti AIB's stack up against each other on the more premium end, if I'm willing to pay a bit extra for better cooling/binning/etc? The triple slot monstrosity in pic related caught my eye and isn't the most expensive one, but I got no experience with zotac.
I'd like something that can go completely silent when idle also and I'm not sure which ones if any do that.

Will probably be pairing it up with an R7 1700x

>>62137429
Anything with samsung b-die memory is the best. Hynix is the worst, hopefully they'll improve with agesa 1.0.0.7.

>>62137429
samsung b-die is best which flare x is. But other ram kits are also b-die as well.

I got an Asrock MOBO Z77 Extreme
With an i5 3570K
FOR 150
(SOLD MY CONSOLES AWAY )
GPU- RX 480
RAM 12GB
How did I do ?
Will this bottleneck anything ?

>>62137557
Oh hey that's my exact setup right now

It will chop anything perfectly fine at 1080p60 for the foreseeable future unless you want to get into VR or higher resolutions/framerates

>>62137590
1080p 60-70fps pm is all I need desu how well does it do for u?

>>62137492
Don't get the Zotac AMP! Extreme. Their AMP!/Mini cards are fine, but they messed up this generation with the Extreme series.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VrRnf8
Are these monitors fine?

>>62137492
With Zotac their cheap cards like the minis are pretty shit, but the more expensive ones are usually nice.
I think most graphics cards switch off fans when idle nowadays. Just look it up on the manufacturer's site.

I wonder if the video card manufacturers are taking lessons from this whole crypto mining fiasco. Particularly about the desirability of different versions of cards.

There's a huge fucking pile of 3GB 1060s. Nobody wants them, even amidst the blitz. People would rather buy used cards from 2 generations ago than buy the 3GB 1060s.

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>>62137639
>Their AMP!/Mini cards are fine, but they messed up this generation with the Extreme series.
>>62137683
>With Zotac their cheap cards like the minis are pretty shit, but the more expensive ones are usually nice.

hmm

Oh well, how's the EVGAs then?

>>62137719
It's not the board partner's fault. AMD being open source was a happy accident for cryptoniggers.

>>62137319
>>62137356
Alrighty, I'll see if I can hit 3.9 at (1.37v) again or try to lower the voltage for 3.7.

>>62137732
EVGA is always good because of their warranty and step-up program. The EVGA 1080ti's do run hotter because they're dual slot cards though.

>>62137339
I love the front of the define c. Its sleek and the minimalistic look suits it well

Why are custom loops so fucking expensive

>>62137887
>custom
>not doing it yourself

>>62137852
>evga's cards run hotter because they're dual slot
lol, no. The first run of their 10** cards ran hit because they didn't properly cool their vrms.
>>62137869
Brushed plastic looks terrible.

EVGA 1060 FTW+ for $250. Yes or no?
Please respond.

I've got a pretty basic question. What sort of cooling would I need for a 4.7GHz, 1.3V 4790K? I would prefer something that could exhaust heat straight out, so basically an AIO I guess.

I had a custom WC loop that I built like 8 years ago, in the first-gen i5 days. It worked wonderfully for all that time, but the pump finally gave up the ghost after so many years. I'm not really up to date on what CPU coolers are any good nowadays.

>>62137955
6 GB yes
3 GB no

>>62137936
That's what i meant. Custom as in not an AIO or kit.

>>62137987
It's 3gb, sadly.

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>Contest to win a PC
>Winner is picked
>Twitch affiliate
>Streamer
>Girl
Well, someone certainly didn't exploit a position to get 10000000 entries. Dumb fuckers on the internet are easy as fuck. Oh my lord.

>>62138026
they want those people to win, because if you won nobody would know about it. you're only allowed to enter so that it looks like she won a contest instead of them just giving her the pc.

>there won't be an influx of supply and demand if it wasn't for the cryptoniggers
>I would have bought 1070 around $350

feels bad man

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>>62138048
Pretty much.

>>62137676
Pls respond

>>62138143
you're the one who's fine bby~

>>62138212
das ghey

>>62138212
>>62138256
you girls should kiss

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I have a 4460, how long am I good for

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I'm updating my setup because it's not 2011 anymore
My plans are:
>Asus Prime X370-PRO (Motherboard)
>AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (CPU)
>ARCTIC Freezer XTREME Rev. 2 (CPU fan)
>Asus ROG Strix-RX460-O4G (GPU) (4GB DDR5, PCIe 3.0, HDMI, DVI, DisplayPort)
>Corsair Vengeance LPX (RAM) (3200 MHz, 2 x 8GB)
>Crucial MX300 525GB SATA 2.5" (SSD)
860 bucks in total in my country
Is it any good? Is there a bottleneck?

I already own a good power adapter, 1TB HDD and a case including case fans

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>>62138281
I also have a 4460. I'm good until I decide I'm no longer good.

>>62138393
Do you actually need X370 and an aftermarket cooler?
There always is a bottleneck, here it's very clearly the GPU since the 1600 can keep up with a 1080Ti.

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>>62132625
No. but you can activate it with a WIndows 7 key after installing
Get one for 5 bucks and you are good
MicroShit BTFO

>>62135065
>Margins are thin
Their gpus are sold out

>>62138467
And...?

>>62138498
Their not thin

>>62138467
>Their gpus are sold out
Not the guy you responded to, but... Honestly, it doesn't matter. I posted about this on /biz/ and they didn't seem to comprehend this. AMD is basically forced to space things out. They can't just make more cards to feed every spurt of demand. Demand isn't necessarily good for them.

To make GPUs they need to acquire all the parts and such to make them. And generally you need to order that well in advance. So it's all about pre-planning to minimize expenses. If you need to buy out all of what a fab plant has available, they'll start raising prices on you in order to allow them to produce more to meet this increased need.

So everything is structured. AMD makes X GPUs to go to an estimated base of Y customers to allow them to have a controlled growth of their brand and steadily grow their business.

This past year has been absolute fucking chaos. Chaos is bad. Chaos is very, very bad. The natural sane response for a business faced with the demand inspired by crypto-miners is to SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING. Because if they move, there's a very large chance they end up with stock they can't move by the time it is ready.

>>62138393
GPU is bottlenecking you hard. I have a 460 (going to upgrade to a VEGA Nano when it comes out), that thing is always the most stressed component on my system. It can do most lightweight (pre-2015) games at 1080@60hz, but push it past that (supersampling or higher refresh rates) and it chokes. My R7 1700 breezes past anything, though; it's actually difficult to find something non-synthetic that'll push an individual core past 75%, let alone the whole chip.

Now, note, the 460 isn't a bad chip; when it came out it was head and shoulders above the competition for $/performance by a large margin, but the 1050/1050Ti and the RX 550 have it beat on that nowadays. If you want a good GPU without increasing price by much, I'd recommend a 1050Ti or 1060, or wait for a lower-end VEGA.

Thanks to usps losing a package and finding it a week later. Amazon sent me a second Asus 1080ti, free of charge. Is there any point in doing an sli setup or should I just sell it?

Could someone recommend a good ATX motherboard for Ryzen 1800x? I'm getting overwhelmed by the memespeak in some of the descriptions.

>>62138611
Send it to me. I'll suck yo dick through the internet.

>>62138611
sell

>>62138611
>a second Asus 1080ti

you are the most luckiest person ever.
I want it plz

>>62138611
SLI will give you significantly worse frame timings (better averages, worse experience). It's also completely unsupported by 99% of every video game out there. Don't do it, it's a lie. Just sell the extra one, and you just purchased a 1080Ti at possibly the steepest discount ever.

Or, if you have free electricity, just set it up as a mining card. It's way weaker than the competition but it'll still net you a few spare dollarydoos a day.

>>62138611
No point in SLI since SLI support nowadays suck. Sell your second 1080 Ti.

>>62138620
ASRock Taichi. Best build quality, best VRMs. Not much else to say about it; it's a good board, and you can overclock the shit out of your RAM on it as long as you're buying Samsung B-Die (basically G.Skill and the Corsair LPX series, as long as they're rated for 3200Mhz and 14 CAS latency).

>>62138521
ur dumb

>>62138620
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/

>>62138639
>>62138650
>>62138662
Thanks I figured as much, just wanted to be sure.

>>62138645
Postal service where I live is awful and happens way too many times. Usually they find it in time before Amazon sends another package. I have received double before, but never this good. A Samsung 960 pro was in there as well.

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Looking for some good shitty cheap speakers for my desktop. I usually just wear headphones and don't want to put too much money in them so budget is $50

>>62138760
holy shit fuck you

Any experiences with the Corsair HX1000i?

My current PSU is loud as all shit and I want a massively overkill PSU (planning on upgrading to VEGA for its compute/linux support) that practically never turns its fans on. The other option is the SS 520W fanless PSU, but that has limited headroom when dealing with VEGA's power consumption.

>>62138432
>Do you actually need X370
If you say it like that, not really
I could get the Asus Prime B350-PLUS and spend the 40 bucks i saved on a better CPU like the R5 1600x instead of the standard version

>aftermarket cooler
My room is right under the roof of my house and it can get very hot during warm and sunny days

>it's very clearly the GPU
Well, that's no problem. The RX460 is good enough for the games i play and the games i will buy in the next 5 to 8 years
I mainly play turn based and real time strategy games like Civilization, Anno and Endless Space
It's not like that i need fluent 60 frames which are "needed" in fps games.
I want to play the next Elder Scrolls game without any flaws though.
That's the only game i'm worried about.

>>62138559
As stated above i won't necessarily need a very good GPU. It's a component i can save money on in my setup.
I will not get a nVidia card because some Linux distros are running in my system as well.
But let's compare the R460 and the R550.
They don't seem to differ that much unless the 550 being 50 bucks cheaper.

>>62138611
SLI is worth it at high resolution (4K) or if you're going for very high FPS at lower resolution (2560x1440@144Hz or 3440x1440@100Hz).

I wouldn't use it below 4K though as it isn't worth it, the increased performance won't help with much, a single 1080Ti should do perfectly fine while being simpler to use. At 4K it can really help (I've got 2 1080s, not 1080Tis though) but you have to pay attention to what motherboard/CPU you get as the large resolution makes SLI quite sensitive to PCIe bandwidth and running x8/x8 instead of x16/x16 can seriously kneecap your performance, especially in modern games with all kinds of temporal effects.

You got a 2nd card for free anyway, it's basically stupid not to give it a try at least if you're playing above 1080p. I do hope you didn't buy a 1080Ti for 1080p though.

>>62138760
Where do you live? I have to move there

>>62138767
The Amazon Basic speakers will get you by for listening to basic stuff. They've got clean audio (it's not overly noisy) for the price.

>>62138791
>I want to play the next Elder Scrolls game without any flaws though.
You won't have any problems. Fallout 4 can run *decently* on a high-end iGPU. Next gen won't hit your GPU very hard, you just might have to turn texture res or something down. Also.
>Linux distros are running in my system as well.
Avoid Nvidia GPUs like the plague, then. The 550 or 560 is your best bet at this point, unless you can get a used 460 for $75 or so.

>>62138767
I'm using those speakers in your pic, they're pretty decent

they've got a bit of wear and tear now and can't go super loud anymore without distortion but I've had em for years

>>62138802
Looks like I'll have to look more into this. This is for a 4K gaming/work build. Thanks for all the info.

>>62138806
South Florida, you don't want to move here.

>>62138767
I have the shittier version of these. They're pretty good.

https://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Acoustics-Computer-Speaker-Subwoofer/dp/B00BXF5HQ8

>>62138870
There is no single-GPU out there which will max (excluding ridiculous AA) everything at 4K without dropping under 60FPS, so if you want a locked 60 with max settings SLI is required at this point. My 2 1080s aren't quite there either, so 1080Tis wouldn't necessarily be wasted either.

SLI isn't entirely user-friendly if you want to get the most out of it though. You would want to get somewhat comfortable with NVPI and SLI bits/"hacks". Lurking around forums for people posting custom bits can also help, as can getting a basic understanding of what might be worth trying by yourself. It's a basic fact that not all games will see official support and some of them do not work at all. That being said, I don't think I've personally been forced to play any game in single-GPU since I bought my cards. I remember DOOM was shit with SLI on x8/x8 and even on x16/x16 the scaling is poor, though it tends to run well enough that I get 60+ FPS anyway with everything maxed.

Somewhat related. I built a PC for my father in law a few years ago and it's now having a problem where he'll power it on, and it'll restart 2-3 times before finally booting. Am I correct in assuming it's probably RAM/BIOS related? I'm gonna go down there tonight and pull the CMOS jumper and reseat the RAM, see if that helps any.

>>62139009
That's probably accurate. Other problems may be PSU related, or a bad install (fucked boot partition). But reset BIOS/RAM first, yeah.

>>62139032
Thanks for the response. I did two builds for him about two years apart and one has needed a PSU replacement. The problem here is a bit different, in that the PC powers on fine and stays powered, but it's taking 2-3 reboots. Hoping it's just a simple unplug and replug job.

Just built my new pc and it won't boot. The mobo is MSI B250 PC MATE and the CPU is i5 7600K. PSU is Seasonic S12 Bronze 2.
The "ez debug" led for the CPU flashes white every 15 seconds or so. I can't even find any explanation on what the different led codes mean, there's nothing about them in the manual or online. After googling it seems the leds can flash either white or red so maybe my processor isn't dead on arrival. I removed the heat sink and checked the mobo pins and they seem fine. Gonna keep the heatsink off until I can get a succesful boot I guess. I'll try clearing CMOS and using one RAM stick only.

The cpu power cable on my PSU is a bit weird. It's made up of two 4-pin cables and one of them doesn't exactly match the mobo connectors but it still connects. This is normal right?

hey lads my mobo fucking died so i'm just gonna get a bunch of new shit

i don't really want to spend more than $400 but also looking to save if i can

i use it for playing vidya and shitposting, maxing games out isn't really that important but i like high framerates (60 fps is good, my monitor is only 1080i, gonna upgrade later, pls have pity on me) at 1080p

here is what im thinking of getting pls be gentle https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nNwDLD

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Does this look ok? I'm going with air cooling and another Fractal case, fwiw.

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I'm waiting two hours for a fresh download of windows 10 on a flashdrive for a new build.

What other things would be good to have on my flash drive for the build?

>>62139290
Overall looks breddy gud but for the price of that ram you might as well spend $10 more for Samsung B Die ram (Flare X). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was a gamble whether or not you were getting b die or hynix with Vengeance sticks?

Is EVGA's 10 year warranty and customer service worth $10-20 over an ASUS or MSI card? Having a hard time picking a gpu since they're all so similar.

>>62139336
>I thought it was a gamble whether or not you were getting b die or hynix with Vengeance sticks?
I was unaware of this. Is it a huge issue?

>>62139328
Throw some essentials like 7zip, Chrome (or whatever your preferred browser is) and VLC/MPC on there so the initial setup will be less of a headache.

What would be a good build for very basic gaming and mostly for a computer sci student?

I'm planning on upgrading as the GPU market settles and I get more money. I need something faster than the laptop I have now

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Where can I save some money? I want it to be capable of running ML workstation so I'd prefer the i7 but if the 1080 is strong enough maybe I'll let that go.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/4zcBKZ

CPU: Intel - Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($35.75 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Asus - MAXIMUS VIII GENE Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($198.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($199.74 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($699.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design - Define Mini C with Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $2023.93

>>62139519
A fucking leaf

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I just swapped out my broken motherboard and everything seems to be work.

Now what do I do?

>>62136689
no over clocking is a meme and usually is not worth the marginal gains.

Rate my build
>2.5K Max

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFvs2R

What should i buy after buying a processor and motherboard for my first build?

>>62139519
Blue board, Anon.

>>62139328
https://ninite.com/
Grab everything you want from there. It'll auto update everything for you too.

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can't find the case I bought on pcpartpicker
aerocool qs-183 advance
what would be the best to sub in the online build to check that everything fits?

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I can eject my os drive lol wtf

>>62139973
Do it.

>>62132798
Why do you believe overclocking is exclusive to specific form factors?

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>>62139973
Quads don't lie, do it.

>>62139910
Do you really need two 144hz panels? Just get one and then get a 1440p ips panel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnnU5-83QUM

I bought w10 1 year ago for 120 euro
i could get a 20 euro key and buy an escort for an hour and lose my v card
im fuckin dumb

>>62140210
didnt i say max 2.5K, if i got a 1440 it would go over

>>62135218
what in the actual fuck is going on here

>>62139507
Preferably something sub $500

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>>62140479
Corsair tried to design a better case and put every rough draft into production instead of designing a final product that worked.

Best 10 3.5 bay (internal) cases? No racks please.

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>>62140553
>10 3.5 bays

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>>62139519
Suggestions please?

>>62140593
Porn

>>62134992
Looks like my Microwave.

>>62140600
If you could pare that down to 7, I'd recommend any of be quiet!'s high end cases

>Vega56 @ 499
Yeah you can fuck off and suck my dick. Wolfenstein 2 and Prey aren't worth the extra 100.

Why is it taking until october to restock cards?

>>62140299
If it is W10 software, it is fine. If it is W10 OEM, then yeah you dumb.

>>62140805
for AMD? miners and they are not that big of a company to produce the amount demanded. They were unprepared for the launch and thought they would have been secured with those packages.

Nvidia cards? miners

>>62140805
AMD? Cause all available boards go to their board partners who are making the AIB cards.

Need some cheap laptop recommendations for programming in school. No Thinkpads please those shit are heavy af.

>>62141436
Wrong thread.
Thinkpad.

>>62141436
>Thinkpads are heavy af.
this is average western male, pathetic. Starting thinkpad and GOMAD.

What is the BEST AM4 motherboard?

>>62132507
guys what is best full tower that is subtle

>>62141930
Define "subtle"

Alright, i feel like this never gets asked

What's a good ups backup to get?

Started having my power go out frequently here because of the heat, which never happened before, so now i wanna protect my shit from being fried in a brownout.

What info do i need to provide? i dont even know anything about ups backups

>>62141903
The most expensive one, obv
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-119-004

>>62141976
What features you want?
How much up time you need?

What price is the RX 580 SUPPOSED to be?

>>62141959
90s beige PC

>>62142005
i dont even know what features it can have honestly, ups never crossed my mind before

I just need enough uptime to safely shut everything off

>>62142012
They don't make those anymore
Go buy an old one off ebay

>>62142024
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-things-you-need-to-know-in-order-to-buy-the-right-ups/

>>62142012
Probably as close as you're going to get
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-147-226

>>62142010
Whatever you're willing to pay, plus $20 more

>>62142088
>>62142034
hmm well thanks for trying anons

>>62142183
look for yard sales and such or ask on craigslist

>>62142102
So not $300, the price I'm currently looking at. Okay. Got ya.

>>62142183
your only hope of getting the old pc cases for your tumblr blog is getting one used on ebay or
>>62142205

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>>62142217

>>62142327
I don't understand, Anon. There are RX 580s in stock for $280-$300. Bad?

can you fags help me determine if i should get a prebuilt or BYO

Have an ultrabook I use for programming but want to get a desktop because it gets hot as shit all day. Has an i5 7300U.

so I need

>system that supports 16 GB RAM
>same or better processing power than a dual core i5 7300U
>don't care about anything else, literally

what do? and can I do it for less than 400?

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I need an alternative for this cheap mouse, the mouse started peeling and the back button no longer works. Also there is no driver for this mouse for windows 10. I have large hands and my budget is 100 dollars.

I'm getting a 7700k for 210 dollars from a cousin because he is upgrading to a threadripper PC.
Was it a good deal or meh?

>>62142695
Build your own PC

>>62142696
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3

>>62142750
you think it's cheaper than getting like refurbished dell or something?

>>62142781
No.

>>62142781
Don't buy a refurbished Dell

>>62139290
Do you particularly need the features of x370? If not save money and go with B350.

Drop down to 1700. 1800x and 1700x have no reason to exist when overclocked 1700 does just as well.

Would change PSU to high end EVGA or Seasonic.

>>62142737
What are you going to use the PC for?

>>62142737
If you got a mobo too it was a good deal. What about rest of the system?

>>62142961
>>62142967
Gayming mostly

This parts should arrive in a few weeks
>480GB SSD
>2TB HDD
>16GB of DDR4 3000Mhz ram
>650W PSU from EVGA
1080 GTX from gigabyte
still looking for a cpu cooler

and I'm getting this mobo from him aswell in disscount https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-LGA1151-Intel-Motherboards-GA-Z170X-Gaming/dp/B012IBPPWG/ref=dp_ob_title_ce?th=1

This is an upgrade to my shitty 8 year old PC I don't know what to expect.

what do you think of this build :

I5 7600K
MSI Z270-A PRO
GTX 1070 GIGABYTE G1 GAMING 8 Go
ddr4 cORSAIR VENGEANCE lpx 2x8 Go 3000MHz CAS 15
Be Quiet ! Pure rock slim
SSD Samsung 850 EVO 500Go + 1To HDD
Be Quiet! Pure Power 10 600W
NZXT Source 340 Black

Trying to get a video card for a quasi-sane price. Will report back with results.

Thanks for the build advice over the last month.

I just finished it after 6 hours or Fucking around and I got to see the motherboard screen up on my monitor. After school I'll start the while software side, but I'm so hyped to see my everything is working great including the GPU.

>>62143534
>i5
it's trash.

Are ram prices really going to increase event more like some folks are suggesting?

>>62143736
i7 7700k is 100$ more than i5, is the i7 really that good just for gaming ?

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>ASUS RX 580 8GB up for pre-order at $266

Fuck.

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>>62143745
no.
But Intel is shit at the moment.
Get an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 instead, on a B350 motherboard.

>>62143534
>>62143745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI

>>62143636
Congrats anon. Hope you have a nice Ryzen + Nvidia combo

>>62143778
Ok so a Ryzen 5 1600 + gtx 1070 combo seems better ?

>>62143958
Much

>>62143980
ok a friend tell me the same, what about the gtx 1070 ?
KFA2 is the cheapest one but is it good ? for 30$ more i was thinking about buying the gigabyte 1070