which one win?
what's the contest?
I wanna say Void because no systemd, but it's shit
>>62128806
OP here
i am considering use void for daily use
why its shit?
>>62128897
no systemd
>>62128806
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=runit
>>62128897
Void has a tiny amount of packages and offers no particular special features
xbps seems to me like some crossbreed between pacman and apt that also implements ports functionality, of which I have seen none
The only pro is that it doesn't use systemd, but the fact that it uses runit instead is a con in itself
>>62130264
How well is it integrated into the system? Do packages come with runit-compatible scripts instead of unit files?
>>62129175
fuck off Poettering
>>62128762
I actually use both. Debian on desktop, and Void on laptop.
Void is cool because every single function that it was written in returns void. No side effects, super functional, very stable, wow wow wow.
>>62130264
just install debian so your packages won't ever have systemd dependencies
>>62128762
One is the most trusted distro with a rich history and the most popular package manager. The other one is an obscure little distro for those who fell for no systemd meme.
I don't know which will win. It looks like their chances are equal.
it's almost as if different distros are useful for different use cases...
>>62128762
Debian all the way
>>62128762
does not matter
linux is shit
>>62128762
I use void on my old craptop and it works wonders and breathes wonders into the old hardware
Void package manager is pretty neat, just needs more devs and ports.
Use Devuan if you want the debian - systemd
>>62128762
Debian being replaced by Void here. Void us not the best place for newbies or point-n-click merchants.
>>62128762
Void is great.
>>62130793
Void has a decent amount of packages, what is it missing for you?
>but the fact that it uses runit instead is a con in itself
What do you have against runit? IMO it's a fantastic init system that's lightweight and easy to use.
On the off-chance that actual void users are present:
I'm looking for a nice base system to install nix package manager on top on. I'm not using nixos itself, because fuck systemd.
Is void a good option for this, for just setting up a simple systemd-free GNU os?
>>62135013
y tho
>>62130264
Good luck with that. Thanks to policy kit, udisks and some other things depending on systemd in debian you can't fully remove systemd without losing tons of functionality. So unless you want to mount all your flash drives manually and shutdown from the commandline everytime you should use devuan, void or gentoo.
>>62128762
I haven't tried void since it first appeared, and back then it was broken as fuck, are you saying it works now or you guise tryin to ruse me?
>>62135178
The default Void install is very minimal so you shouldn't have too much trouble. Although you should try xbps, it's pretty good.
>>62135353
I installed it on my laptop and desktop using the xfce live iso and it works flawlessly on both of them.
>>62130793
>Void has a tiny amount of packages and offers no particular special features
What is it missing?
It actually has more things than arch compiled instead of having to run to AUR for everything
Considering running Ubuntu (or some other slowly updating, popular distro, maybe centos, feel free to recommend) as my base install, with Void VM's for different tasks (one for VPN surfing, one for professional work, etc).
Is this a good idea? I just figure its better to have my base install be a more popular distro with more options.
>>62128762
void has like no packages while debian has all the packages
if you care about systemd literally just use devuan
what is the issue here
>>62128762
debian has many more packages, the only thing you get by running void linux is systemd-free stuff, eg. network-manager, you can't get that on debian with sysvinit. i'd say debian is also more stable than void linux.
>>62134683
too bad devuan uses jessie-grade packages, you can upgrade to sid, but that's kinda dumb and debian testing is more up to date than it anyway.
>>62135455
ubuntu isn't very slow updating.
>>62135564
>ubuntu isn't very slow updating.
Well, I mean my only concern with using something like arch or void as the base build is that lets say I dont update for a month, then I update evertything and its all fucked up, isnt this less likely on the less bleeding edge distros?
>id likely use arch over void for now in for the base OS just incase there's something I need that isnt easy to get with void tho if I picked a rolling release
Manjaro with cinnamon :)
>>62135602
honestly why ubuntu, just use debian stable, it's not a rolling release and when you do need to upgrade to an another release (which happens more rarely than ubuntu releases), it doesn't break.
and please don't use arch, it's basically suicidal to use that garbage.
>>62128762
Debian obiously.
>>62135474
hmmmm
>>62135749
So debian base OS with Void VMs seems like a solid plan?
>>62135863
yeah, that's fine.
>>62128762
Devuan. Debian is comfy but NSA/systemd is shit. I hope Devuan get Stretched soon.