>GNOME users will defend this
>>62105160
>not being able to spell ad nauseam
>>62105160
I came to the defense but I don't know what to defend
>>62105563
the wasted vertical space I guess?
>>62105563
Losing 25% of screen real estate? Who knows
>>62105620
Well yes thats annoying theres a Shell extension though which removes that huge bar for applications in fullscreen. It's called "Pixel Saver".
You can shrink it with a few lines of CSS.
>>62105768
That seems neat.
>>62105829
Thanks. It's literally just Adwaita minus the bullshit plus gradients.
>>62105829
Still absolutely horrible, there's still a title bar on top of firefox for no reason since it can't integrate well.
Chrome can draw it's own title bar buttons but you get ugly as shit buttons and fucked up borders.
The solution is to simply use a window manager and forget desktop environments, they literally all suck. Gtk shit look relatively decent in gnome, everything else look like shit.
>>62105656
>>62106705
with the new firefox backend, i've seen mockups of some good looking integration.
don't have a pic handy right now tho.
and sure you can say they all suck, but WM only isn't going to be the norm, DEs are here to stay.
>>62105620
>>62105656
What are you on about?
>>62107283
>defending it
>>62107294
huh
>>62107294
>stop liking what i don't
>>62105160
>what is HTitle
>>62107307
what? there are people that LIKE their precious vertical space being taken away?
>>62105160
that font rendering is pretty bad, if thats what you're referring to.
>>62107314
you tell me gonomfag
>>62107315
>vertical space being taken away?
Can you point to me where?
>>62107315
meh, you can get rid of all that shit, I just use gnome for some backend stuff. have extensions to disable hotcorners and top bar, and just use cairo dock
>>62107326
not even a gnomefag, i use XFCE
Htitle just integrates the action buttons into the titlebar
>>62107315
not an argument
How's that red hat cock feeling in your mouths, gnomfags?
>>62107366
Linux is RedHat
>>62105160
Is not GNOME's fault that SJWFox is not using the recommended HIG as pic related.
>>62107454
GNOME HIG is yet to be implemented in the majority of gtk applications.
>>62105160
>Adnausium
Autisium speaks
>>62105563
There is nothing to defend here
Go fight for a good cause instead
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1267/no-title-bar/
Solved
>tfw ditched GNOME for awesome 3 weeks ago
>>62107283
you must go back
>>62107828
not exactly gnome but close enough I guess and this is the solution that just werkz
obviously it only fixes firefox but when I use a 90% of the time when I use a non-gtk fullscreen program it's gonna be the browser so living with this is easy
>>62105160
The huge titlebar? of course not, it incredibly annoying. Good thing you canget rid of it as a workaround. Fortunately tho, seems that mozilla will finally implement CSD:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1283299
>>62107844
Yeah, ur mum is calling me
So gnome needs extensions to look good. And yet people still defend it. I don't understand.
>>62105160
This is literally my FF. "Compact Dark." Loaded by default.
>>62105620
I only noticed today,but Wangdows 10 is just as bad.
damn my eyes
>>62108722
So Linux requires effort to do anything. And yet people still defend it. I don't understand.
Install chromium, retards.
>>62108815
I have more trouble using Windows 8, Windows 10, and MacOs than I do with Linux.
>>62105656
>>62105620
>>62105160
Whoever has borders on his windows is a space wasting cuck. (Except they are a few pics wide and only there when multiple windows are present)
This is indefensible.
>>62108756
>His tab bar is below the window border.
Stop wasting space.
>>62105160
Yeah I forgot how retarded that shit looks. And you can't install shell extensions or modify it because it just glitches the fuck out completely. Gnome is AIDS
>>62108994
I got it how I like it. If you like it differently, good for you.
>>62108722
There are no such thing as extensions. There are things they they call 'extensions' but in reality they're just turds glued together with javascript which make your desktop glitchy and break every update.
Next update Gnome runs on Node js
>>62105160
Actually, GNOME users have the upperhand here since they can embed the title bar into their top bar. See >>62107283
Non GNOMEfags eternally BTFO
>>62108998
>>62109016
>Glitch
Never seen one, maybe it's your piece of shit hardware from 1999
>>62109040
What are you retarded? Getting a new computer isn't going to fix them breaking their glitchy AIDS cloud based javascript extension system every update.
>>62109075
Seems to me the only difference between your so-called glitchy setup and mine is hardware. Or you are too poor.
>>62109087
>wahh wahh I have aids why doesn't everyone else get javascript aids to make me feel equal
>>62109089
Yeah, stay buttflustered. Shit works just fine and never seen a single glitch, poorfaggot.
>>62108883
So you are a retard then.
>>62109120
Windows IS meant for retards
And here am, defending gnome.
>>62109123
Who said I was using Windows?
>Not removing all titlebars
>>62105160
I can't fix this in KDE without losing titlebar interactions. I'd have to use the fucking taskbar to switch workspaces. I want to use GNOME but the wallpapers get compressed heavily, I dislike Nautilus too much, no firefox thumbnails.
how do i google things
how do i reduce the padding on gnome title bars
is stupidity nature or nurture
why are my parents disappointed in me
>>62109673
"Hide Titlebar on Maximized Windows" and bind a key to max/unmax or download "Active Window Controls" that integrates the titlebar buttons to the panel.
>>62109930
Yeah, posting made me switch the keybinds around a bit. I now have it set up Xfwm style to Alt+space for window controls. Thanks though anon, I appreciate it.
>>62107315
>being retarded enough to use default settings
Just go back to windows
>>62110011
I've completely hidden the titlebar and bound close, min and max to keyboard. I move and resize by holding alt. My life has never been better.
>>62110041
Different strokes, if I were for keybinds I'd use a WM instead of a DE. I prefer a more retard/slow approach to my UIs, everything has to be comfy to hit under the effects of wearyness. I can't be arsed to remember my billion keybinds when i get home from work.
>>62110069
Three keybindings. One of which is Alt + F4 anyways. A long way to a tiling WM. No judgement tho, I'm too normie for a WM too and I'm trying to get used to one by using KDE with a tiling script.
>>62110132
Cheers anon, I personally found out that WMs are too much fiddling around for a """lightweight"""" setup. I guess I'm not meant to script around a config file all day long. Now, back to wrecking my meat.
>using gnome in 2017
>>62105688
Gnome extension are shit compared to other programs like emacs. Their life time is to short and usually break a
>>62109149
Not me, pretty sure
>>62111446
>using gnome in 2027
>>62105160
>>62111446
>>62112273
>Linux font rendering
>>62105160
>adnausium
>>62105160
>firefox
heres your problem
Just a reminer that Unity7 should have replaced Gnome3 for the greater good.
>>62105160
stil the best DE out there.
Linux on the desktop is stuck in the 90s.
>>62112341
xfce is objectively the best DE
KDE if you want something flashier
>>62112341
No it isn't actually. OP is a retard, and purposefully avoiding the obvious fact that GNOME isn't the issue here. See >>62107283
>>62112341
>tablet DE
>best
May be if you're stuck in 2014
>>62112401
That was my point.
If gnome is garbage but still the best, what about the others...
Budgie shows promising development, it's the first time in 20 years that a developer though about end users instead of his CV.
>>62105160
they could've done a better integration with gnome shell
https://github.com/gnome-integration-team/firefox-gnome
It actually looks so fucking beautiful I kinda want to have that look now. Fuck.
>>62112498
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/sneak-peek-firefox-photon-linux
>>62107283
How did you do that? Is that an application menu in the top bar? Didn't know there's a good working one that doesn't look like an out of place piece of shit.
>>62112524
It's a GNOME extension called Pixel saver, it can embed the application titlebar into the top panel of GNOME
>>62112521
That's pretty good, but the look I posted is miles better.
And with tabs under the address bar, you could get a little bit more space if you're browsing just one tab.
>>62112498
Those bards are still hueg
>>62112552
I agree, the GNOME HIG is pretty nice. Too bad devs never noticed that
I hope Ubuntu 17.10 comes with a native solution to this
>>62108815
So you are a retard then.
>>62112445
>CV
What?
>>62113005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae
You must be too young for that.
>>62112548
i installed it
Bretty gud. You can even move the app window by dragging from the top bar.
But there's still no good global menu - unless you really want to install that extension that is completely bonkers:
bits from older gnome UI, breaks every other extension for top bar - and so, I can't hide activities button, app icon and those retarded triangles
can't put the window title in the top bar and there's no close button (you could just press file-quit instead of having that dubious thing tho) - it doesn't work with pixel saver (If anything those two extensions should be one)
text order is fucking wrong - why app name is shown after the file menu - app name should be at leftmost (and the pixel saver puts window title before the app name - fucking idiots, and there's no gooey way to change it)
and it doesn't do smart show/hide menu on hovershit - you can configure it to show the menu on pressing Alt, but it doesn't hide it after that
It does some great stuff - it has a fucking search box for menu items, it's very fucking promising, but it needs work.
Here's what the global menu extension looks like right now, first at the top of image. It looks good, actually, I think some people would be completely content with that. And here's that search box, it's fucking great.
Not me lol. Here's how the top bar with global menu should really look like, third from the top. No app icon, no pointy boi, no useless activities button since there's a fucking hot corner. App name when clicked shows gnome's app menu, with quit option and shit - I really don't think that X should be present on the right side of top bar, but it could be hidden and shown on hover since you know it's there anyway, at least as an option for power users.
just the name and file menu that only shows up on hover, further decluttering the look - it's perfection.
>>62112548
btw vs code doesn't integrate with global menu extension lmao
but the chrome has a fucking file menu, I didn't even fucking know that (and thank the UI god I didn't)
and g has 2000 characters limit? ebin, simply ebin
gnome is so fucking dumb lmao
>>62112915
They already have a solution, it will work similar to Unity.
>>62113165
>Global menu
Bad idea, the application developers have to implement this by themselves, it should not be DE's job. What if there is an application that have lots of menu items and multiple tabs? (Code::Blocks)
>>62113183
Again, it's not how GUIs work. If Linux forced a standard GUI protocol or guideline the devs would be forced to have their menus work with global menu. I can live with menus in the top just fine actually
>>62113217
In some cases, the global menu just vanishes and you have to disable the extension. F.ex. LibreOffice and VSCode I think.
>>62105160
The first party GNOME stuff is okay, I guess. It's more consistent than anything MS did in like 5 years that's for sure.
But yeah, as soon as someone tries to do non-client drawing it just falls apart quickly.
>>62109075
>glitchy AIDS cloud based javascript extension system
Wow that's some deep anger there friend.
Did GNOME murder your cat or something?
>>62113234
>>62109147
nice fonts nigger
>>62113217
It's fine, look. (second app name though lol, libreoffice puts it up as a part of menu somehow)
>>62113232
Forced? It literally just works. Gnome recommends to use app menu (that shows up by clicking on app name). Some apps have file menu, and if they do, it can be integrated in that way in the top bar, alongside the app menu. They can push their paradigms all they like, but also beautify how the existing programs look without extorting the devs if they really don't want to change anything.
JUST
WERKS
>>62113368
Non-standard Global menu is a terrible idea
t. GUI dev
>>62113234
it does lol
>>62113418
>>62113368
So it's working now? Great. I might have mixed it up with MATE or Xfce4 global menu as I distrohop a ton.
>>62113277
WHO'S YOUR GOD NOW
LOOK AT ALL THAT S P A C E
>>62113444
It kinda does and kinda doesn't to be t b h.
Gnome Global Application Menu extension doesn't hide the window's title bar and it doesn't put window buttons in top bar, you'd have to install Pixel Saver to have that. But they kinda fuck with each other, and are kinda fucky by themselves.
>>62113386
What's so "non-standard" about it? Looks pretty authentic and native to me.
(well apart from the double the app name lol but fuck libreoffice anyway, I don't even use it)
The standard gnome has is not to have file menu, and use single app menu instead if needed (there's mostly nothing apart from Quit there, but you can put shit like help, about, preferences there. Actually, Nautilus shows Preferences in app menu, but not in the menu on title bar. That's so fucking retarded and hostile.).
There's zero reason why global menu like this shouldn't be implemented. Non-intrusive, shows up next to app name/menu if the program has file menu. Devs (both gnome and other software) are just fucking pricks that think if they decided on one thing, to do app menus this way, they shouldn't even fucking budge and make things better even if it means adjusting global menu to individual program's quirks (like libreoffice) on different DEs.
Just use Unity master race.
>>62107454
>>62107917
Headerbars are a fucking retarded idea. Just one of many examples of the Red Hat cancer.
>>62113888
Fuck off, brainlet. Headerbar actually saves on spaces.
>>62107283
>>62109024
Plasma and Unity can do this too. Probably others.
>>62105160
why would you use gnome on a computer? its designed for tablets or other touch devices. xfce and window managers are better for desktops.
>>62113936
tablets are technically computers
>>62113204
Source my friendo
>>62112341
90s design is much better than modern space wasting cpu&gpu raping design.
>>62105160
Absolute trash
KDE is leagues ahead while being faster and lighter
>>62105688
The problem with GNOME 3 is that it can be good, but only if you load it up with tons of extensions because the developers literally don't give a shit about what users want. You even have to download an extension simply to use themes. Then once you've done that, you hope that the extension will be maintained because GNOME can and will issue an update that will break it.
>>62114438
Also by the time it's usable gnome uses up like 3 gigs of ram on it's own and it never fails to ruin battery life and make laptops run hot as fuck
>>62114523
post load averages too. kde used to be the heaviest de.
>>62113919
But it doesn't really. Headerbars are a cancer, you're just too retarded to see that.
Having a titlebar and an application menu is a standardised approach. It makes everything consistent. That standardisation then lets you do fancy things like having global menus, searchable menus (e.g. Unity's HUD), menus that integrate with the titlebar (e.g. Unity's integrated menus), menus that get moved out to a drop-down icon (e.g. Plasma's approach), etc.
Having these shitty client-side headerbars means every application has to do its own thing, everything ends up being inconsistent, and you entirely lose support for searchable menus, global menus, moving menus around, doing whatever fucking customisation you want.
It's just retarded.
>>62114438
This
>>62114577
Maybe it used to be, but it isn't anymore. Quick comparison with Antergos on boot:
Gnome: 124 processes, 2% CPU usage, 730 MB memory usage.
Plasma: 113 processes, 1% CPU usage, 400 MB memory usage.
Keep in mind that that was checked on a fresh installation, but to actually use Gnome you have to install thousands of shitty JavaScript extensions on top of that.
>>62114577
Here ya go
This is with iridium open with school shit like blackboard and outlook365, also an amazon tab.
And qutebrowser running like 25 4chan tabs
>>62114523
Plasma has gotten a ton lighter. I'm using it on my laptop without a compositor and it's lightning fast.
>>62114769
>But it doesn't really.
You are fucking stupid, aren't you. The point of headerbar is that it can embed menu containers, search bars and other shit along with navigation, close, min or max an app window. Literally saves up a full toolbar.
>Global menu
has NOTHING to do with the standardization of global menu accessible items.
Stop pretending you know what you are talking about, kid.
>>62114384
>KDE is leagues ahead
WTF you dumb fuck, you literally got rid of your bookmark bar at the top and navigation panel. KDE has the same problem, stop lying
>>62115004
At least KDE allows you to disable the titlebars and borders and do whatever the fuck you want without a ton of CSS. Even has the features of the GNOME extension "Pixel Saver" by default.
That being said, GNOME works well and all you have to do is install a theme. The developers are just really stubborn and constantly remove useful features. System tray is next and it's literally the only thing I use the GNOME panel for.
>>62115004
You pretty much just ignored everything I said and couldn't refute any of it.
>>62115043
That's beautiful. Is that the KWin Quarter Tiling script?
>>62115062
Yeah, it is. Thanks. GNOME used to be my go-to DE in the past but the constant removal of useful features made me switch. Still miss the robustness every now and then but at least I can customize Plasma as much as I want.
>>62115043
>At least KDE allows you to disable the titlebars and borders
You can do that in GNOME to, it's not a solution, it's cutting of the head if head hurts
>>62115044
What else did you say? "Hurr durr keep the titlebar so HUD can be implemented"? LMAO
>>62115096
Nautilus, Gedit, Eye of GNOME and other GNOME programs have necessary features integrated to the headerbars. And yes, while it can be done it's more complicated. As someone mentioned earlier you need an extension just to install GNOME Shell themes.
As much as I like customized GNOME I just can't understand what the GNOME developers are trying to achieve by removing everything and making the users rely on themes and extensions. Sure it's going to be easier to maintain as you can just blame the extensions whenever something fails but they have enough backing to create a fully-featured, decent DE instead of the tablet crap they are pushing now.
>>62114769
>searchable menus, global menus
what a fucking idiot, that's exactly what's been shown right here:
>>62113165
all that legacy shit can be integrated
>>62115179
What are you even talking about? I said searchable menus and global menus are incompatible with headerbars. The post you linked is not showing a headerbar.