Why did Skype die?

facetime and duo

It became a botnet.

Because it's shit? The software is bloated, the ads are garbage, and it's horribly invasive.
The microsoft takeover really accelerated this process. I mean the first thing they did is turn it from a p2p service to a centralised server service so they could intercept all your communications to sell you targeted ads (and of course to make sure you weren't a white nationalist)

>>62093153
it became bloated, ridiculously bloated, i remember when the client was even more lightweight than Messenger, and now is heavy has fuck

Who?

For me personally because they were bought by Microsoft.

But it was most likely due to their lacking presence in the mobile space, the rise of Whatsapp and facetime, video calling offerings from all major SNS (Line, KakaoTalk, Whatsapp again, WeChat).

Had they created a lightweight app around 2010 (Android 2.1 and iPhone 4 era) which would do voice calls and text, later added video calls, they would probably still be big.

>>62093153
It's bloated, and filled with ads. I can't see a single legitimate reason for anyone to use it over Wire, even when regarding businesses.

>>62093212
MS is really great at buying shit up, and then doing nothing worthwhile with it. Skype is just one example of many.

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>>62093153
MIcrosoft is dying

>>62093245
>*
:^)

>>62093245
Android is now more used than Windows
And Windows Phone was an utter failure.

>>62093245
They keep changing shit from something people like to something they don't. Office 03 to 07 is an example. Windows 7 to 8/8.1/10 is another example.

When you keep telling your customers, "You're gonna take it, and you're gonna like it!" eventually those customers are going to look for alternatives.

it got bought by microsoft. which is a good thing, fuck skype
shame about nokia though

Skype has gotten worse over the years.

>>62093263
This

Discord being heavy marketed as a Skype/Teamspeak killer, and everyone moving over because it's meme shit.

>>62093263
Bingo. Microsoft's greatest asset was millions of people who were already familiar with their products. So what do they do? Change everything. Great job retards.

>>62093295
I'm not overly familiar with Discord, but I thought it was a gaming-focused IRC replacement more than anything.

>>62093153

Tox killed it.

>>62093328
>I thought it was a gaming-focused IRC replacement more than anything.
with the ability to post dank reaction images and the most spicy and cancerous fresh emojis

>>62093295
This, discord does what skype does but isn't ugly or slow, with more features. It's basically a website wrapped in a container so it's incredibly lightweight.

>>62093328
Kinda. It has superior voice chat to Skype and they're adding video chat soon (testing it with some users already).

Its technically gaming focus but many communities have nothing to do with games. If you can get over the really obnoxious dev team who puts memes into their software, it's a platform that has replaced Skype for many people. Frankly I think they should ditch the gaming angle. Some people just ignore it but I bet some haven't tried it out because it's gaming focus. As a service it blows Skype away.

>>62093366
Not to mention with BetterDiscord (which the discord devs don't disapprove of) you can get plugins and themes to completely customize and add features to it. Something Skype hasn't allowed in many years.

Better service, customizable software, lighter weight. Skype isn't even trying to compete either.

>>62093328
It's an IRC, teamspeak, and Skype replacement all in one. The developers are annoying though.

>>62093153
because of microsoft

>>62093366
Discord is just as slow, bulky and invasive

>>62093295
This as fuck. The app is also lightweight as fuck, albeit annoying in that you have to ALT+F4 to kill it or you might leave yourself in a chat when you close it and it just minimizes to the tray.

If microsoft wants a comeback, they need to stop trying to innovate dog shit and tell us its meatloaf.

Fuck I want meatloaf.

>>62093429
You're either using the browser version or you're delusional or you've never actually used it. Claiming the client is as bulky/slow as Skype is objectively incorrect.

>>62093366
>incredibly lightweight.
It's not lightweight at all. It's just not bloated yet.

Bloated and unoptimized software, every change they make seems to make it run worse (i.e. the big android/ios update)
Voice chat sucks and is unstable, it's best to not mention how it handles video chat
I only still use it because one single person is still using this shit

>>62093461
It has the same telemetry bloat as skype

>>62093486
Irrelevant to what I said. I agree it's as invasive.

>>62093409
Mind if I ask what it does that Wire doesn't?

>>62093672
Hit 25 million+ users in under a year. We're discussing why Skype is dying, not what's the best Skype replacement.

>>62093700
>>62093672
Oh shit I thought you were responding to a different message. Didn't mean to sound like a dick. It's just a really convenient application. Has a decent mobile app as well. Everything syncs nicely.

>>62093700
Skype hasn't changed anything in the past years. It's not convenient for a job, for kids, for a normal day.
Most normies discovered the Facebook video call.
And that's it basically. Skype nowadays is for grandmas.

>>62093230
So, uh, based Microsoft I guess?

>>62093724
I'm not trying to shit on Discord (again, I know nothing about it), but my Linux desktop application syncs with my iPhone just fine, and both work really well. Does group chat, group audio, and group video, too.

I'm not trying to promote it. Just don't know if you've used Wire, and am giving a description so you might be able to answer the question. Just trying to learn about discord.

>>62093672
It supports IRC style chat rooms/communities while also having private messaging/calls. If I recall wire is more like Skype in that you can have group convos but not communities with multiple chat rooms.

>>62093771
Yea wire seems really nice. Short of needing to use discord for particular people/communities, wire seems better.

It's bloated and heavy. Crashes and lags all the time even on powerful systems. Big problem on mobile.

No voice gate.

Blocking and unblocking can often take a few hours to come into effect.

Being able to message people who've blocked you by going through old group chats.

Un-intuitive UI, even worse with the win10 version. Everything is a fucking shade of white and the program feels like a shapeless undefined blob. Compared to iMessage, Discord etc,

Screen-share is an absolute cluster fuck, just refuses to work most of the time in group calls.

>>62093774
Ok. Thanks. Appreciate it.

So basically, from what I can tell, Discord is gonna try to become more like a Twitch service with a Skype service combined. That accurate?

>>62093263
>"You're gonna take it, and you're gonna like it!" eventually those customers are going to look for alternatives.
The same shit is going to happen to google

>>62093514
>>62093461
It's bloated as fuck and slow compared to IRC

>>62093263
Neither Office nor Windows have lost any market share, though. In fact they've continued to grow in popularity. Ballmer just fucked up with mobile.

>>62093919
>People with Windows 7 desktops haven't abandoned Windows 7
>People with Windows XP desktops are still using them.

Well, yeah... plus you gotta remember that every new laptop ships with Windows 10. Doesn't mean that laptop sales are exploding, or that the people who buy laptops continue to use Windows 10.

>>62093931
>People with Windows 7 desktops haven't abandoned Windows 7
Windows XP had something like 60% of Windows market share as late as 2011, when a new version of Windows comes out most people don't upgrade until they physically have to, in the case of XP this happened en masse around 2012-2013 when it was just impossible to use it with any modern software or hardware and the end of support announcement came.

7 will undoubtedly experience a similar fate within the next few years, although I suspect it will probably last longer than XP did as it's very similar technically to 10, all Win32 software for 10 will run fine on XP as I don't think 10 even added any new API calls. Even a lot of Windows 10 drivers work on 7 because of how similar they are, so it'll probably be the end of support that kills 7 more than increasing software/hardware incompatibility.

Also you have to consider the large amount of those machines that are computers sitting in offices and shit, they only even upgraded from XP within the last couple of years.

>People with Windows XP desktops are still using them.
A very miniscule minority of people are still using XP, and that's just the remaining corporate XP machines that haven't been upgraded for whatever reason. Most likely legacy software compatibility or it simply costs too much. I don't even see poor 3rd worlders running XP on their personal computers anymore.

People aren't buying desktops or laptops in general anymore, it's all about phones and tablets which is why MS no longer has such a clear dominance in the OS market, as they fucked up with mobile and conventional computers just aren't experiencing the growth they used to. Windows hasn't lost any users among desktop users though, and has in fact actually continued to gain more users. Maybe people are "looking for alternatives" (People say this with every new Windows version) but there must still not be one, as people aren't abandoning Windows.

>>62094100
>all Win32 software for 10 will run fine on XP
will run fine on 7*

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>>62093245
>>62093263
>MS makes their money in personal computers

Microsoft

>>62093462
>100 megs
>not bloated

>Account switching is fucking impossible

It died because it thinks I want my grandma to see the same shit my friends do.

>>62094100
>People aren't buying desktops

This literally is not true. Building one's own PC is more in vogue than ever before.

>>62093153
they were bought up
alternatives sprouted up
it's like asking why nobody uses ICQ anymore

>>62093153
Well, a while back I lost 90% of my friends I only had contact with through skype because skype banned my account with no human interaction.
over the course of a week I was told to pound sand and make a new account, so I obviously did nothing to warrant the ban, but no one would unfreeze my account.

This, along with other bullshit, was the last fucking straw for me. I have been having issues with their servers for a while, and when I was told my account was non recoverable I told the person I was talking to 'Do you honestly fucking think I would make another account with you after I lost most of my friends I only have contact with through skype, go fuck yourself.'
And me and the friends I had that had contact outside of skype moved to discord as it suited out needs far better then skype did.

>skype works with p2p encryption
>works flawlessly on windows XP and linux
>microsoft aquires skype
>linux mysteriously stops works
>(((server sided))) "encryption"

Hmmm.
Gee, I wonder what happened?

ads. discord.

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>>62093161
>Implying people use duo

>>62093153
the app it self is heavy and shitty coded
also it tried to have character but got very counter intuitive.

>>62093295
well, teamspeak for years would not install correctly and work, no idea what the conflict was, skype dicked me over fucking hard, and most other alternatives require signups, while discord you can use a temp account. I have a few normal friends who guiding them through the steps to use most other applications would be a nightmare.

>>62093328
well, you got direct messages and voice chat, servers that are simple to set up and voice chat there too, and soon video. the fact its so easy gives it wide appeal, and no need to install shit if you don't want.

>>62093376
There are only a few things I like about skype more than discord, but overall, discord is so much better.

>>62093802
Discord is making creating a community a non hassle, with nothing to install, and a temp name when you want in on a server but have no account. The way they made it has great benefits to pick up and play games, so you can easily add people you find without a hassle.

>>62093855
and irc is a fucking nightmare for anyone new to use due to the insistence that anyone who uses it must have been using it for 20 years or we ban them from servers. its a trial by fire. While I can use it, I will never try to teach someone how to again, as that was 2 weeks of my fucking life trying to get one normal person to understand it.

>>62093324
not just this, change everything every os since xp for no tangible benefits.

win 7 is a nice upgrade when you get use to it, but I prefer the feel of xp to 7 still.

change for change sake is bullshit, and i'm not talking about the things like areo over the blue over the classic look, I mean menus to find shit changing drastically from version to version since xp.

>>62093803
google still has no bullshit email (i only use html version, don't know what the current non html is like) search and that's it really, no one has a reason to look for others as long as these work.

FaceTime and WhatsApp

>>62094382
The enthusiast market is growing but the mainstream one either static or shrinking, depending on who you ask.

>>62093793
this

every new update makes things worse.
Skype 4.2 is the last good version.

Holy fucking shit, their last update to the mobile version absolutely boggles the fucking mind. It was like the team did LSD then just shat out what was in their brain onto paper. The whole thing makes absolutely no sense, nothing works the way you expect it to, the entire interaction is probably, not exaggerating, the worst mobile app interface I have ever seen on a smartphone. This coming from fucking Microsoft. What the absolute fuck is that shit. I wish I could downgrade to the old version but its too late. The old one was just great in terms of design but someone just said "NNNNOPE!!" and decided to make it paralyze you for the first 15 minutes of use while you work out the interface which gives you no clue and has no obvious way of doing anything. Took me 10 minutes to work out how to get the viewfinder for my rear camera to be full screen.

I hope Microsoft crashes and never recovers.

>>62093153
Because Microsoft bought it and anything they buy they turn into garbage. Reminder that they only bought it because NSA told them to so they can centralize the servers and wiretap people easier.
There are also better alternatives to it now when instant messengers have desktop clients.

>>62093439
>>62093366
>discord is light
It's an electron app, it's the complete opposite of light. It's basically a modified chrome browser. I'm not saying it's not lighter than Skype, but Skype is bloat which wastes bandwidth so it's hardly a competition. Back when I measured the difference between Skype and Teamspeak, Skype used 1GB of network in an hour while TS used 30MB.
Comparing it to something like mumble or Teamspeak, it's just bloat.

>>62093771
Wire's desktop client's UI is not really good. It should have a way of resizing the contacts tab which takes off a lot of space imho. But it's generally a better service simply because it's not malicious like discord.

>>62094382
after ryzen came out it was the first bump in sales pcs have had in over 5 years.

hardware does not become obsolete the same way it did in the 90' and early 00's, a core 2 quad would still be viable for most tasks, people want to upgrade, not just side grade.

>>62093153
it sucks

and it gives the us gubment everything

>>62094985
core 2duo and pentium m still work today

>>62093153
Microsoft developed it as Skype for business and now it's bigger than ever but dedicated to their Enterprise client.

Good riddance for home use as it had become a bloated piece of shit with better alternatives. I don't like using Skype for business at work either.

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>>62093334
The only thing tox killed is itself

>>62094100
all government uses win10
>rip civilian privacy

>>62094382
Try reading the rest of the sentence next time.

>>62093245

https://www.recode.net/2017/7/21/16008618/microsoft-all-time-stock-price-chart

So dead.. Such dying..

Azure just overtook AWS.

Microsoft is the largest contributing company to open source software on github.

Not sure what you're talking about.

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>>62093245
Microsoft isn't like other tech giants, they don't have all their eggs in one basket, especially not Windows. The decline of the desktop (and by extension, Windows) has had and will continue to have very little effect on Microsoft.

>>62095118
based old tech giants

>>62095118
Damn, Google and Facebook are disasters waiting to happen.

bing is actually better than google

>>62095180
I'm not sure about regular web searches but Bing is an incredible porn search engine

>>62095180
It's still equally botnet.

>>62095192
Why do people always say this?

>>62095163
Holy shit. Yeah, they are. Literally nothing but ads.

>>62095202
maybe it's true

also
>implying botnet on search engines matters if you're using a VPN and aren't logged in
all your "non-botnet" search engines just dial up google behind the scenes

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>>62095180
it has better satellite

>>62095202
>Why do people always say this?
Because of the embedded video playback, I think.

>>62095202
>Why do people always say this?
Try it for yourself, I always thought it was a meme too but it really is strangely good at it. I don't know if it's just because they have less moderation of search results or whatever but it works really well.

>>62095232
Not him but I just tried and it's actually true, it does feel like there's more content and the embedded video playback is just perfect for it

>>62093153
It became popular because it offered private encrypted text, audio and video chat, was lightweight and designed with both advanced users and normies in mind, and had no ad-intrusion because they made money off the "Buy credits and call landlines all over the world for a static price" system they had.

Then Microsoft bought them up, removed the encryption on everything because it was "problematic", bloated it with ads and "features" no one asked for, and required you to make a Microsoft Account in order to use it.

Now everyone is moving towards Telegram and Discord because they pretty much offer (or will soon offer) everything Skype offered, minus all the Microsoft bloat.


Microsoft bought a golden goose and fucked it to death thinking that would somehow make it lay more golden eggs.
Now its dead, so they're plucking it to pad their Enterprise communications platform, but eventually it will be dead and naked, at which point they'll probably buy something else to fuck, like Discord, or possibly just partner up with Facebook and Whatsapp.

>>62095286
>Telegram
God, I hope not. I don't think there's a single thing Telegram has done right.

>>62093153
NSA ordered Microsoft to turn it into an insecure turd.

>>62095286
Discord is not a good example if you want to talk about non-bloated software. I'm pretty sure it uses more system resources than even fully bloatified Skype. And how do you think Discord hopes to become profitable after VC funding dries up? You think the ad-free experience is going to last forever? If they don't become Skype-esque adware it's going to have to start paywalling more and more features.

>>62093153
annoying ads, unstable, bloated, pointless new emoticons

Every single time I had to install this pile of shit on my phone it fucking lagged forever just to get to the main interface if I ever dared to open the shitty app

by the time I got a phone that loaded skype fast it was already uninstalled and replaced with discord

>>62093177
Pretty much this. I used to have all my contacts in Skype after MSN Messenger got shut down. It was great at the time with calling, okay chat features, P2P file sending (of arbitrary size! used to be my go-to-alternative to send large stuff instead of using FTP which most of my friend wouldn't get running).
Only thing it's still good for is international calls to phone lines. Cheap service and you can reliably call any number. I just use it for my parents, they use it mainly because of calling.

>>62095118
Wonder what that Other section for Microsoft is

>>62093153
>be me, 2 years ago
>ready to connect to skype for my regular chat with sister abroad
>skype requires a new pass with a microsoft account and microsoft email address
>ditched skype forever
>went full hangout.

>>62095294
What's wrong with it? It actually works and has a useful desktop client as well.

>>62093153
Microsoft bought it.

>>62095180
at least when it comes to porn. I'm not sure why google is cucing itself by censoring porn from their image search. I dropped google image search long ago when I realized how much better porn results are on bing.

>>62095780
Sharepoint, SQL server, Visual Studio

>>62093153
they added huge ass ads that took up 1/4th of the client

I don't know what microsoft's problem is, why do they have to buy up shit I like

>>62095192
I believe you mean ``decision engine."

>>62093153
Facebook does pretty much everything it does, and more.

>>62095221
I can see my workplace in there.

>>62093184
Microsoft had the unique opportunity to actually do something with the software but instead made it ridiculously bloat and shit and got BTFO by discord, facebook messenger, whatsapp and host of other platforms that figured out how to actually do it properly.

>>62093153
- facebook chat
- Microsoft keeps developing it backwards.

>>62093153
Thanks for reminding me to delete my account.
Skype got really shitty after Microsoft bought it.

It's way too complicated to get out of the Microsoft system.

For me, Snowden leaks

For normies, the constant fucking lag even on fibre with low quality audio codec being used

>>62093153
Merge with Microsoft. It is unusable after that.

>>62095180
Also no SJW bullshit on homepage and they actually put rabbits on Easter and stuff instead of old Muslims just to do the finger to Christians entirely. I kinda made that last part up but its basically true.

>>62095811
I use skype and do not have a live-account or any live-emailaddress. The fuck happened to you? Even now I can register with any email.

>>62093855
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

when I tried to login to my very old skype account after MS bought them they disabled it because my username has ass in it. Fuck microsoft and fuck street shitting pajeets.

>>62095118
That's pretty neat actually, didn't know MS was so diversified compared to other tech companies

>>62093803
Google is also getting into trouble with political stuff and changing search results. Most are flipping on them to other alternatives. There was also a guy who was a statistician that had his gmail shut down for no reason and lost everything.

>>62093263
This is ultimately true. It does not help they try to seek more profits and think users are going to buy it but also at the same time try to fix what was not broken.

>Windows Office Suite 120$ a year

No i can just use Libreoffice

>Windows 8 tile theme

Would work great on phones, but not a desktop

>Skype

Lets just put ads, have messages that send slow at certain points, have a limit to how much you can share with files(cant share beyond 300MB of files). Its like Microsoft focus's on looking cool than focusing on making a better service.

>>62101275
>No i can just use Libreoffice
Not really. Maybe for basic word processing, but good luck finding any sort of replacement for Excel, even a proprietary one.

>>62093793
Yeah the mobile version overhaul made it serviceable to absolutely terrible.

>Try to be like Snapchat
>Is bloated and slow
>sometimes you do not get messages.
>Sometimes you can not send messages and it hangs really badly.

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>>62101275
Windows 8's UI was actually incredible on smartphones, WP8 was by far the most intuitive smartphone OS I've ever used. Too bad this sweaty asshole made sure MS would never have a permanent place in the mobile market, it's one area they would have actually made a big improvement in.

>>62101309
Fuck Excel. Bundling an IDE with a spreadsheet tool was the worst idea ever. The number of "business critical" bullshit spreadsheets we have at work is astounding.
On the other hand, it is very good at visualizing random new datasets using Pivot charts and tables. For what it's meant to do, it's a great tool, but it's being abused so many times to do everything else, it's just not fun anymore.

>>62101275
Nah, Libreoffice is good for replacing Word and Powerpoint and a subset of Excel, but that's it. Office includes OneNote, Access, Visio and MS Project, which are great tools for getting stuff done. Especially in a corporate environment, stuff like OneNote is godtier and actually makes the otherwise pretty shoddy Sharepoint into a useful tool for some stuff.

Talking about which, is there some other tool that does similar stuff as Excel using Pivot to visualize stuff from a big dataset/bunch of SQL tables that does not need writing code? It's nice and dandy to extract data using a bunch of GROUP BY statements from the database, but it's too cumbersome when just exploring data to figure out what info can actually be extracted statistically/quantitatively/using filters/correlation.

>>62095286
I remember when MS bought it. Everyone used it before then. Immediately it started going to shit.

>>62093153
I have no idea how incompetent Microsoft is to ruin Skype. Like holy shit just don't touch it and let it make you some money. After what they did with Windows I hope they crash and burn. Especially now when they start agressive undermining of steam, gayben's personal buttmad, and push for their own dogshit windows store.

>>62093153
shitty gui
ads
bad-looking emojis
typical preloadware (garbage preinstalled by pc vendors)
stupid windows 10 "get skype" preloadware
microsoft owns it
it had a phase where its window behavior was against convention and the settings to change it didn't do what was on their labels

but worst of all:
every time somebody reported problems or made feature requests they should've taken seriously (like a fucking dark theme), they just NEVER did it. You always just got one of those useless robots that goes "I see you are having problem x. Here at microshit we care deeply about our products and users bla bla bla bla delete your cookies, restart your pc, install updates, sorry we can't help and we don't give a flying fuck".