/pcbg/ PC Building General

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Is this considered a pretty regular build by today's standards?

>>62090619
>i5
no

There's already a thread

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>>62090640
well it seems as if you fucked it up so delet it

>>62090688
Well he can't delet it but we should just use this one and let the other rot

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>>62090605
>Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
How long?

Is 240hz a placebo meme?

>>62090619
>MSI Motherboard

Take a look at their BIOS and it sums the board up

>>62091610
Not him, but MSI in general or this Z270?

Only complaint I have with my B350 is the 15 second post time, but they're VERY slowly chipping away at it with updates.

Is
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
still a thing?

Does the falcon ever come here anymore?

Did he sell out?

>>62092130
Yes but it's largely outdated.

He was here a week or so ago seeking our advice.

i want to have a new fast pc even though i have no actual use case that requires it what is wrong with me

R8 and H8 H8ers

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PNZwBP

>>62092298
It's shit

You're welcome

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>>62092298

Also, literally heres you're (you)

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I have a 390x and 1600x build but I can't decide on a new gpu

All I play ATM is siege pubg and fh3

Vega seems like a expensive flop but new drivers are said to have 18% improvement over this.

What do?

Alwo need a new screen 27" 1440 or 4k?

Reposting question from here >>62092750

If it helps the mobo is a X8SIL

How important is IPS for /g/?

>>62092713
Not really worth upgrading if you aren't gonna get a 1080ti. Definitely not worth getting a vega right mow either. If the shills are roght amd drivers DO turn vega into Jesus the GPU and demand goes up and you have to pay $100 more, that's better than if the drivers more than likely don't fix it and you drop $500+ on a piece of shit.

>>62092915
Another plus is that I can flip a imported Newegg 1080ti here in aus and make $200+

>>62092905
Only case in which I'd consider a TN is if someone was throwing it away. I wouldn't pay money for one.

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Should I do it?

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>>62090619
>op sticky states no i5 unless discounted
>you picked an i5

>>62093035
Why?

>RX580 + 1080p Freesync monitor
>GTX 1070 + 1440p monitor with no G Sync

What would you choose?

>>62093059
That's cheap for aud these launched at 950iirc

>>62090619
>i5
You fucked up

>>62093120
Doesn't answer the question my gentleman

>>62093138
Did u not see the pubg bench? Besides I can flip my 390x for a shitload

>>62093172
So you want it to play pubg and you think you can defray the cost by selling your existing card?

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>when your GPU runs at 2kV

>>62093241
Nah not just pubg

But yeah gpu prices are insane 390x here go for $500aud used on eBay because miners

>>62093341
>using hardware monitor

>>62093384
it gives me temps and that's all I need

at what level of investment in a ryzen system should I care about ram speed

>>62090619
I doubt you actually need 16gb ram or you even know why you even buying that much.
also
>paying for windows

>>62093588
I've got 32 and never use it
it was only $2/gb so it's not like I wasted money

I want to buy an SSD
Should i get SATA or M.2? Or there's no difference?

>>62093663
depends on your m.2
if it's pcie it's going to be much faster
some m.2 is SATA 3

>>62093551
extremely important since higher freq RAM is required for infinity fabric to do its work

>>62092130
Falcon posts on /g/ pretty regularly. He's a pretty cool guy. I haven't seen him in /pcbg/ for quite a while, but >>62092239
It's gotta be pretty tough to keep a site like that up to date with the current market volatility.

>>62090799
A month to 5 years

>>62091174
No, but it's absolutely not worth the cost. If you've been playing counter strike at 144hz for years, you'll notice a slight difference.

>>62093551
Any.

>>62093663
Read the OP.

>>62093944
You know what, i just went over their current list. It's actually fairly solid. Sure, the gpu prices assume MSRP, but I understand why. The only real criticism I have is that motherboards in certain tiers are perhaps too expensive for the purpose, and the i3 in the "good" tier doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I also think the s340 should be represented in more tiers.

>>62094086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B20sgr-zgj0
TL;DR get 2666mhz if you can easily afford it. Get 3000mhz if you are getting a slightly pricier rig.

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I know it's a bit extravagant, but i'd really love to do a build in one of these Streacom F1C cases, problem is the wisest thing to do seems to be wait for Raven Ridge, but it's awfully tempting to do the build and drop in a cheap bristol ridge APU as a placeholder.

should i get a new computer or a car?

>>62094480
how well does your current computer/car work?

>>62094492
currently have a 8320 with a 780. current car is non existent. just the cost of running a car is something ive never done before so idk if i want to.

>>62094507
I'd spend the money on the car. Go for something cheap
>>>/o/
They have a sticky with great info on picking up a cheap reliable used car.

>>62094507
Car. Your 780 should last you a while longer at 1080p. Might be time to upgrade CPU to a cheap ryzen or coffee lake when that releases, but I don't understand how a person in an industrialized country can really function without a car, unless you are in a city and can bike everywhere.

>>62094553
ryzen needs the whole motherboard and ram thing, would end up being nearly a whole build anyway because i want to replace the case in particular. as for car i usually walk to work and bus to friends houses. a car would be more convenient for travel time but i dont really do much as is. i was thinking either spend a few grand on a pc or save up and get a second hand coup fir the fuel economy

>>62094528
cheers, i didnt realise mazdas rusted so much

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>>62094602
>cheers, i didnt realise mazdas rusted so much
Yup. They're pretty famous for it

Is this upgrade good? from i5 2500k

Cpu: 1700X
Cpu cooler: H100i v2
MB: asrock AB350M pro4
RAM: 16gb corsair 3200mhz
PSU: corsair rm650i
Case: in-win 301

i will keep my rx480 and storage that i have currently.

>>62094633
I would go for an MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard. Looks good otherwise.

>>62094651
Motherboard must be matx for the case i want.
The MSI boards i looked at does not have full vrm cooling.

>>62094507
Figure out your budget, you need fuel to run it, insurance, servicing, maybe parts among other stuff.

>>62094668
>Motherboard must be matx for the case i want.
MSI B350M Mortar then

How much hassle is delidding a 7600K? Do you just pop the cap off, clean the toothpaste out, apply some CLU to the die then stick the cap back on, or am I missing something?

>>62094677
2k for pc or 1000n +3000 where n is the weeks if i go for a car. fuel parts and insurance i guess yeah. insurance seems so expensive cause of my age though

>>62094633
Those are all really expensive parts. Are you going for maximum nice-ness? Or do you just want a simple performance boost?
Because if you wanted to cut costs, I would suggest going with a ~$45ish air cooler, 3000mhz cheaper memory, and a power supply that doesn't cost $120 dollarydoos. (i'm very partial to my EVGA GQ, or Corsair RMx series if you must go with that brand). Theoretically the X ryzen has a little better chance at the silicon lottery, so you actually are paying for performance there.

>>62094706
>having a 7600K

On a real note, here.
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/delid?variant=42675162124
Have it professionally done. Doing it yourself can break it.

Is it ok to just get 2400 RAM with an R3-1200 and try to overclock it to 2667~, or should I pony up for the faster stuff? I know Zen scales its inter-CCX bus directly with RAM speed and the difference is stark, but it seems ridiculous to spend more on RAM than on my CPU.

>>62094733
fuck off shill

>>62094736 see
>>62094169
2666 seems to be the sweet spot for ryzen. Overclocking a 2400 kit to 2666 shouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it's not guaranteed, especially with zen. But ram prices are kind of insane, and you're already in r3 budget range. I say buy the 2400.

>>62094744
If I were a shill, I'd have told you to delid the CPU yourself, break it, and then shift to a Ryzen platform,
Which is still an option btw.

>>62094770
i am accusing you of shilling for that garbage delidding service; damaging your cpu during delidding requires one to have steel rebar lodged in their skull or perhaps no brain matter at all, it is not dangerous.

>>62094781
>requires one to have steel rebar lodged in their skull
So. How is it texting from an OR?

>>62094728
I want a good build that has a small neat case, that can have gpu + my asus essence stx soundcard.
this 2500k computer lasted like 6 years!
price doesnt matter much.

>>62094756
do the higher ram speeds improve the serial performance or what exactly? because single thread is important to me, that's why I'm getting the 1200 and not bothering with a 1400 or 1600.

Not important enough to shell out for a 7700K or paying $700 for a kit of 7ghz DDR4, mind you, but important enough that I'd like to get the best ST out of these budget-end Zen parts that I can.

I need a suggestion for an upgrade. I currently have x2 Radeon HD5870 in crossfire but their age is starting too feel. I remember when they costed about 200-400$ but now are just a relic.

What should I upgrade with? Is it even worth to try the 3-way crossfire?
As CPU I've an AMD FX8350 so bottlenecks shouldn't be really a problem.

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>>62094809
reason why i looked at the asrock AB350M pro4 is that it has 1x pcie slot for soundcard above the 16x slot, so the soundcard wont get in the way for the gpu cooler.

>>62094822
crossfire isn't worth it now because so few games actually support SLI or crossfire.
CPU-wise, the ones to go for now are either the AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (6 core, 12 thread) or the AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (8 core, 16 thread)
GPU-wise, you may want to wait a bit. AMD cards are WAY overpriced at the moment due to miners.
motherboard-wise, a $100 B350 board is the sweet spot for Ryzen. B350 supports overclocking butu the $100 price point is the golden spot features-wise.

>>62094815
>do the higher ram speeds improve the serial performance or what exactly?
They improve multicore performance due to lower CCX-to-CCX latency and higher bandwidth. Shouldn't make any difference for single-threaded applications.

>>62094846
but there's tons of benchmarks showing the ram speeds affecting max fps in games like csgo which is a strictly ST scenario

>>62094861
Increasing RAM speeds increase RAM performance
More news at 11

>>62094844
I just recently bought (~1 year) an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX with the said processor so at least another couple of years before going to upgrade it. GPU's are the pressing point right now. Any good ol'gen alternatives?

Also I though that after ASIC hardware for bitcoin mining on desktop died.

>>62094880
>Any good ol'gen alternatives?
not at the moment. Blame the miners. All the good mid range cards are ridiculously overpriced.
And mining came back big this year with ethereum, which is resistant to the Asics cards. The best way to mine etherium is with GPUs.
To put it in perspective, they usually sell about 20,000 graphics cards a year. In 2017 so far, they've sold over 500,000.
Supply can't keep up with demand.

>>62094910
God damnt, I'll just wait then.

8gb polaris is a meme right?

>>62094981
It's the best mid-range card there is.

>>62095032
but is 8gb worth it or should i just get 4gb?

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>ryzen 1600
Or
>Coffee lake i5
I've heard that the i5 will have 6 cores with kaby lake single core performance. Is that true?

>want to go intel because i just play games and the superior single thread power will be better for me
>cant be bothered delidding, feel like i should only go intel if i delid otherwise it's a waste

>>62095094
new games use multiple threads very well.

>>62095051
4GB is the minimum you need for current games. the 8GB model will have some longevity

>>62095082
It will also probably be around the price of a 1700 and that is without adding in the cost of a mobo that you'll have to throw away if you want to upgrade because coffe lake is the last chip compatible with that socket

>>62095124
past 4?

why do women love amd users so much? i own a vega and i just fucked a 1080 owners wife

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how good are jonsbo cases? the QT03 is on special right now and im in dire need of a new case

>>62093035
>nvidiots bitch about vega when they will pay this

>>62093035
umart
red flag
flag red

>>62095219
very much so. Modern games are designed for 8 threads in general. More than 4 threads are necessary for gaming going forward. i5's and R3's just are not enough going forward.

>>62095236
I missed out on a 450usd 1080 and 600 usd ti I'm so mad.

Besides if Vega price stabilizes I'll just get that since Pascal is old and Nvidia can't squeeze any more out of it

>>62095246
Yeah I cancelled it

Retailer's here are scum the only one sticking to rrp seems to be pccg

>>62095261
ple sticks to rrp, you can get it cheaper from them too if you ask

>>62095269
What about Vega stock?

I feel now is a bad time to buy Nvidia it's kepler all over again

>>62095308
as in in stock? ple has them in.

>>62095229
ive only ever heard good things. their itx/matx cases are kawaii too

Would a D15 be overkill for Ryzen?

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I have a Strix 1060, does it support freesync monitors?

>>62095378
I got a couple of smaller noctura here I wouldn't think so at least for my 1600x I'll do some benchmarks and temps Monday and report back

>>62095378
depends. if you're talking a 1700 at 1.37v+ then no, it's spot on. if you're thinking around 1.35v then yes, something like a true spirit 140 or even a h7 would be fine
>>62095388
no, you've been cucked into gsync, which is exactly the same for 200 more. enjoy

>>62095378
d15 is never overkill

>>62095308
kepler all over again? im interested, i dont really feel the same. at least when kepler came out amd had a product that was very competitive with the flagship, for roughly the same power and on a brand new arch with promise. vega is in ways a new arch but not the step forward GCN 1.0 was

>>62095388
Shit, I really love this man. Thx for posting him!

>>62095378
i have a true spirit and my 1600 at 1.35 3900mhz sits at a peak of 74c for 4 hours of ibt
my buddy has his 1700 at 3800@ 1.33v and his h7 never goes past 68c streaming 1080p and gaming, for what thats worth. im sure >>62095395 can confirm

>>62095402
Why is /g/ hyping prim shaders like it's larrabee 2.0 then
>>62095420
I'll be running 4.1 all cores hopefully.

Don't know my way around ryzen at all I'm used to old i7 920 and i5 4690

>>62095470
>i7 920

Drop in an x5650 senpai, best thing ive ever done for an upgrade

>>62094621
Parts and labor can be expensive, parts may be slow to come from Japan.

>>62095481
Sadly long gone 4 years ago dead Mobo and ram

No luck ple out of stock and $899aud

>>62095495
In general, shops will refuse to do rust repair because there's no way to do it properly and make a profit. If they do agree, you need to beware and take a look for fiberglass on the finished work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQhG6dyX_AI

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I fucked up something in the bios and now my pc will not even start up, the led shit just blinks for one moment and than nothing.
It worked a few moments ago, I was trying to disable secure boot because it allegedly got in the way of dual booting.

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>>62094621
>>62095495
>>62095644
Toyota is also infamous for rust on their trucks, specifically on the frames, not the body. Buyer beware when looking at a Toyota truck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxK3vFNyYxQ

>>62095688
nvm fixed it

>>62095769
what was wrong

>>62095800
I don't know and I don't care enough to find out.
I pulled the mobo battery to undo whatever I did in the settings and now I will probably give up on getting duo boot to work.

What's stopping me from putting 1.5V in my 1700 right now

>>62095866
LLC spiking it to 1.65V and burning it.

are pcs even worth uypgrading these days? mine is 5.5 years old and hasnt shown signs of being old yet

>>62095470
i honestly dont know. afaik we've not seen in demonstrated yet, and the real life impact is yet to be seen, and no numbers have come from a third party. everyone wants amd to succeed, but i dont think this is their fight to win anymore

>>62095979
Depends on your needs and standards.

wait so is vega actually doa or whats the go

>>62096011
it's fine you fucking spacker

>waiting for price to go down
>waiting for scam citizen
>waiting for burglar lord

If this trend goes on, I am going to save up so much money for a new pc that I may as well buy a house.

>>62095979
>>62096010
This^

If you're just doing general stuff like web browsing and office applications you don't necessarily need an upgrade.
Gaming and workstation stuff like rendering would probably need an upgrade by now.

>>62096011
Vega 64 is shit for gaming but stellar for workstation applications.
Vega 56 is decent for gaming if you can get it at about MSRP and half decent for workstation applications.

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Can someone tell me if my CPU/RAM will bottleneck a 1060 6GB? I'm asking for a friend who is thinking about upgrading.

>>62095388
You can use the monitor, but freesync won't work. It will just be a normal monitor.

>>62096311
depends on the game
1060? probably not bottlenecked

>>62090799
Just bought a used 980ti for half the price of a 1070 and get the same or better perfomance

>>62096386
the catch is that it will blow up after a month

>>62096335
He's going to be playing games at 1080p

All sorts of games, pubg, overwatch, stuff like that.

>>62096434
I got it with 1.5 years remaining of warranty so

>>62096440
should be perfectly fine
might have to lower settings sometimes

>>62096440
that cpu will be good for 1080p with a 1060. you already know that you should get the 6gb too.

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>>62093341
>not having your fans running at 1016949 RPM every few secs

>>62096311
i have a gtx 1070 with this processor. it doesn't bottleneck for the most part but in super cpu taxing games you can see the cpu is being maxed out but it doesn't stutter or anything

is 70 hot for a gpu under load? my laptop would hit 90 all the time so i dont think it's a problem on the desktop

>>62096311
Honestly for most games it won't bottleneck. Regardless, I'd still suggest a processor upgrade if you can swing it. There are a few games currently out that are very CPU heavy; ARMA 3 and PUBG being the first two that come to mind. And plenty more to come with future games.

>>62096553
Not at all. That's about normal at load.
If you were getting 85C+ with a decent third party cooler, then you'd want to be worried.

>>62096614
Let''s be honest, though.
PUBG is just badly optimized currently.

>>62096653
it keeps getting better, maybe at some point it will be alright.

>>62096653
Eh, true. I'd imagine it'd still be decently CPU heavy though if it's ever out of Early Access..

How long will this fair me and how easy will this be to build. I already have a nice case.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8ndHHN

Hey guise

Is Ryzen 7 really that bad for 144Hz 1440p gaming? Also does anyone know if AMD says how many generations will be implemented for ryzen?

>>62096766
Depends on your usage of the PC. Primarily gaming I'm assuming?

>>62096802
Gaming and 1080p video editing. Not really of games, but normal video files. I went with the 1050 TI as it's not fucking expensive because the mining shit going on.

>>62096766
get faster ram (2666 at least, 3000 or 3200 ideally). get a better psu, Corsair CX aren't great. and you don't need a network card.

>>62096787
you'll get at least 3 generations out of an am4 board, confimed support through at least 2021. as for how many releases we'll see on zen, at least 2 more, if i had to guess id say probably closer to 4 or 5. AMD doesnt have as much money for research, and hell look at how long the core arch has lasted
it is not that bad for 144hz, especially not if you have other stuff running in the background. if you can get ram running at 3466 cas 14 or similar/better, you're on par with a 7700k as well. and you're not stuck with no upgrade path, and your computer wont jihad itself if you try to stream or record gameplay, watch youtube in the background, etc
beyond that all you need is a decent air cooler, rather than an aio maxed out sounding like a vacuum cleaner, or a deliding tool

>>62096872
>Network card
I never knew if I needed that or not. The last time I built a PC (2000) I needed one, and wasn't sure here. I've been on laptops since 2002 so this is new to me.

>>62096887
Sounds good thanks

>>62096830
The build you linked isn't exactly the best for your money.
This would work out a bit better: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xfn6wV

To explain why the other anon recommended faster RAM is because Ryzen processors really like faster RAM speeds and lower latency. It has something to do with the Infinity Fabric and how each CPU complex is linked. In short, faster RAM speed = better performance with Ryzen.
Pretty much all modern motherboards come with a Gigabit LAN port, so as the other anon said: no need for a network card.
There also isn't much need for that disk drive unless you're totally sure you'd use it. You could easily throw that extra ~$20 towards more storage or an even better power supply.

>>62096985
>1060 3gb

>>62096998
?

>>62096985
I use the disc drive a lot, so that part has to stay, but I like the rest. But I'm thinking of just sticking with the 1050 TI, waiting until the mining has slowed down and getting a 1080. Plus trying to save as much cash as possible so I can build it right now.

>>62097021
It's not a good card. Less powerful version of the 1060's gpu, and not enough vram for modern games. Stay on a 1050 Ti or go up to a 1060 6Gb.

>>62097021
3GB isn't enough vram, and it's a terrible shit card. You're better off with a 1050 Ti. Ideally, you'd grab an AMD Radeon RX 570 or RX 580 since they're both better cars but prices are still insane at the moment.

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>>62097060
>>62097078
This isn't true at all.

Pascal cards have compression tech that allows them to perform well even with lower amounts of VRAM. Stepping from the GTX 1050Ti to the GTX 1060 3GB will literally double your FPS for an extra ~$40

>>62097021
The 1060 3GB is the Intel i3-7350K of the Graphics card world.
Both are terrible products that should not exist.

>>62097097
>Stepping from the GTX 1050Ti to the GTX 1060 3GB will literally double your FPS for an extra
No it won't. The 3GB 1060 will tank in a number of games delivering WORSE FPS than the 1050Ti simply because it doesn't have enough Vram

>>62097053
I'd recommend sticking with the 1060 3GB. It's at about the RX 470 level and would last you for a few years until Nvidia's Volta cards or AMD's Navi cards.

>>62090605
I once knew someone whose computer overheated and he used a leaf blower to keep it cool.

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>>62097114
You literally have zero idea what you're talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSV2cE4TT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-zXJJz05Co
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o8rkbzPN8A

Nice b8 tho

>>62097129
I'll think about it, but right now, the rest of those parts on my list (sans the network adapter) are solid, so I'm glad.

>>62096311
Yes I just upgraded from tat exact cpu and ram to a 1600x 3200mhz 16gb

Before my min fps where 30-50fps alot of the time now it's 90+

>>62097176
Hey, whatever you wanna do my dude. As long as you're happy.
At the very least, get higher speed RAM. 2800 MHz minimum.

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>>62097194
I wish I could find all this shit for cheeper. But hey, $630 is cheeper than i thought I'd get out, but I'm excited.

>>62094835
You know you can just put shorter cards in the longer slots?

If you don't plan on using the x16 slot below the GPU you can put any other x16 or shorter in it.
No specific advantage in your use case other than keeping the x16 slot open.

>>62094835
>soundcard

Will we ever see a card like the 8800 gt again?

>excellent price
>single slot
>performance way better than last gen
>single slot


It was an adorable little beast

I have $400 right, and I wanna make a half decent casual gaming desktop. The laptop I have now can barely run any game at bare minimum without terrible resolution. I wanna be able to play anything from Warframe to borderlands. Nothing too demanding. But I need help. Any advice?

>>62097218
You could try EVGA's B-Stock. It's basically refurbished shit with a decent warranty. You could get both your power supply and graphics card from there. https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8
Check it out every once in awhile. New shit added all the time.

For other stuff, you could give eBay or Craigslist a try. I'm sure somebody out there has a Ryzen processor/motherboard they're willing to give up for some cold hard cash. Hell, you could even try Reddit if you're into that. /r/hardwareswap iirc.

Used and refurbished is the way to go if you really want to save cash and are willing to put in a little bit of time.

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>>62096386
I'm not buying nvidia. I need to support my team.

>>62097267
Single slot, probably not.

>>62097299
What resolution are you going to be playing at?
Does the budget include monitor and kb+m or is it just the tower?
Are you going to strictly game on this PC?

>>62097340
I'm willing to game at anything higher than 800x600 at this point, just the tower, and yeah pretty much, besides streaming Netflix on my down time.

Lads I'm having a problem with installing a new GPU and a lot of people suggest updating the bios. I have this motherboard http://www.gigabyte.co.nl/Motherboard/GA-B75M-D3H-rev-10#ov but there are 3 revisions and I have no clue which one I have. Is it safe to say they all have the same BIOS version?

>>62097366
This'll do you fine at 1080p: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cxWthq
Watch this video to get an idea of the performance you'll be getting from the GTX 1050 Ti: https://youtu.be/7s0NBmYfgnA?t=5m12s

Welcome to the world of high quality graphics.

>>62097432
try explaining your issue first.

>>62097453
Thanks for the build, it looks great, and I know it'll be a step up. Thanks a bunch my man

>>62097505
I found which revision but here goes. I'm trying to install a 1080. When I boot it up it just hangs on the mobos splash screen with the POST beep going off every 10-20 secs, I can't access the BIOS or anything. After about a minute or 2 I lose video output. I was upgrading from a GTX 760. I plugged in my old GT630 again to see if it'd boot with that and it's working fine with that.

>>62097540
Look up the beep codes for your board.

>>62097540
try enabling "init display first" in bios with GT630 and then plug in the 1080, try accessing the OS with that

>>62097531
No problem my dude. Hope you have a blast with it.

>>62097558
I might as well update my bios while I'm at it though right? I'm like 10 versions behind? Or should I not touch it.

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>>62097318
To be fair that price on the 1050 TI SSC is pretty great for $120. I think I'm gonna buy that tonight.

I've already got an R5 1500x with the stock cooler, an MSI B350 Tomahawk and 8GB of shitty Silicon Power DDR4 installed in a shitty 20$ dollar case with a shitty 20% PSU and a decent 1TB Toshiba HDD. My wireless network card is on its way (a simple 15 euro TP-LINK rated for 300mbps, which is more than I need desu).
All I need now for the damn thing to boot is a graphics card and possiibly an SSD (I'm eyeing up an 80 euro Corsair PCI Express M.2, it will definitely be useful for me).
Aside from the fact that I need to upgrade the PSU though it should be fine for now, what GPU does /g/ recommend under 300 euros?
I'll be needing it for gaymen and some productivity.
RX 570 go for over 300 here and the 560 is shit so it's either a 1050ti or a 1060 3GB, neither of which is ideal.
Thoughts?

>>62097609
okay, just be careful and backup old bios to a FAT32 formatted USB drive. Gigabyte's bios is a piece of shit and likes to hang while flashing, happened on my z77x-d3h

>>62097609
Go for it only if you really understand what you're doing. If you fuck up you can brick your mobo.

>>62097632
>only have one usb drive
>need for the update itself
fug

How long must I wait for a 400-599aud Vega card? Amd need to sell directly like Nvidia.

I can wait till next year if I have to I'm not paying double retail

you all know you can get away with a 500w gpu on a shit load of builds and that 750w is almost always overkill.

>>62097633
I won't then.

Quick question. I want to have a custom case built, does anyone have any idea who I'd go for that?

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>>62097558
Guessing it goes on PCI?

>>62097704
nonono. If it doesn't boot with 1080, then set it to IGFX save and shutdown. Then plug in the 1080 and plug your display INTO THE ONBOARD OUTPUT (not 1080)

try if it boots like that

>>62097628
GTX 1060 3GB for sure. It's roughly the Nvidia equivalent to the RX 470/570.

>>62097727
Alright hol' up

>>62097628
Should have got a1600 they binned better had more ram 4 more threads less bottlenecked and no silicone binning lottery.

Holy fuck imagine if in a couple of years some madman unlocks these 4 and 6 cores to a full fat 1700-1800

>>62097727
Alright it's working. I'm in the bios now.

So I shamelessly took another anon's build and added some parts of my own that I already have (The SSD and GPU). The entire thing amounts to 500 euros (eastern yurop). Is it worth it?

>>62097799
sweet. You can now boot the OS and install drivers and run the display off the 1080 now, I think

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>>62097800
Post the build faggot

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p2YNM8
how good is this build for $400 budget

>>62097806
Do I touch the init display thing at all?

>>62097820
if it boots with it set to igfx then I don't see a reason to. Also, using igfx is a great option if you're running multiple displays (1080 will only drive the main "gaming" display and the rest will be unloaded to the igfx)

>>62097800
God damn it I'm a retard.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z2ZJLD
>>62097810
FINE JEEZ

>>62097843
So I don't plug anything into the 1080?

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>>62097812
Holy trash nigger. This is shit. Half of those don't even work together.

Go for this instead: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cxWthq
Just gave this build to another anon. It's the best you can get for ~$400 with reliable parts.

>>62097748
Worth the extra money over a 1050ti 4GB even with the less VRAM then? That's the general consensus I've been hearing. Will probably go that route.

>>62097796
Mate, in this country we have an added value tax of 24%. I already had to pay 230 euros for the 1500x. 1600 is just out of my budget, plus I need the higher stock clocks of the 1500x because I don't plan on overclocking, gonna keep my warrantee as long as possible cause this is my first build, I am 19, I work and money is scarce, so I don't want to fuck up and lose my investment entirely.
Fact that I still got an 8 thread unlocked CPU for my money means I'm easily one of the luckier people in this country. And not a poor victim of the Intel shills.

>>62097867
well you do need to do the gaming from the dedicated GPU. plug in the display to the 1080.
The thing is that you probably won't see anything on the display until it boots to windows, because only then the 1080 will be initialized.

>>62097896
Alright... So if I ever needed to access the bios or some shit I'd have to plug my display back into the mobo?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8hTYxY

Have SSD, HDD, Monitors, and a case already and I cba to add them and then set "bought". This is going to be my next upgrade. GPU might change because of ethereum retards and if I can snag a cheap GPU off r/hardwareswap.

Other than that, did I miss anything?

just a question I recently bought AIO cooler for my 4790k (the big the big thermaltake 3 fan one), clocked it to 4,6 at 1.275v, the cpu stays cool (less than 70C in Aida) but my ga z97x-sli mobo in synth benchmarks gets quit hot - 54 degrees C - is that temp ok?

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How much would you /g/uys pay for this used build? Currently stationed overseas so looking for a cheap desktop that I don't give a shit about.

>>62097913
I guess so. Try updating the bios if you're feeling adventurous, maybe that will fix the issue

>>62097932
If it just werks I don't see why. I'm installing the drivers now.

>>62097858
What are you planning on using this for? It's a perfectly fine build if you don't plan on playing any games. I'd recommend swapping out the PSU with this one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HvTmP6/evga-power-supply-100w10430kr

>>62097943
have fun with the 1080 anon

>>62097915
>8800 gt
If you're going threadripper, why not a GTX 1080, or Vega 64 once prices calm a bit?

>>62097951
Aaaand the installation cancelled. I'll try via jewforce experience

>>62097890
Yikes i paid 350aud for a 1600x whole build was 1024 shippee

>>62097948
All I want to do is programming at home. My current AMD Athlon 4800+ chugs every time I launch gradle for some android dev or personal fucking around, thus I am stuck doing my things at work during weekends.

>>62097926
I would instead try to get ahold of an FX 8300, FX 8320, FX 8350, or FX 8370, with a 970 or 990FX chipset motherboard.
The APU's are pretty worthless, especially if you're getting a graphics card anyways.
Looks good otherwise

>>62097890
>Worth the extra money over a 1050ti 4GB
Yes, definitely.

The Pascal cards (GTX 10XX) have some neat texture compression tech which keep VRAM usage down. That translates to better performance with lower amounts of VRAM.

>>62097965
Oops forgot pic I'm using this with a old 390x until Vega uncucked

If they don't drop below 400-600 aud I won't get one

>>62097984
>FX 8300, FX 8320, FX 8350, or FX 8370, with a 970 or 990FX
is fx even good?

>>62097948
>>62097970
By the way, they only carry this one down here.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XxvZxr/evga-b3-450w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b3-0450-v1

>>62097960
> GPU might change because of ethereum retards and if I can snag a cheap GPU off r/hardwareswap.

Still waiting for the Vega hype to calm and for proper benchmarks to be released.

>>62098013
it's not that good, but certainly better than the A10 which is made for office PCs with no dedicated graphics

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>>62098006
Any ausfag around? If any of u spot a cheap aib vega on OzBargain or wherever post itt

>>62097984
Don't get the 8370. It's got some stability issues compared to the 8350.

>>62097965
An Australian dollar is worth about 66 cents in euros according to Jewgle. So you basically paid 230 euros, which is what I paid for the 1500x. And you got a six core with a higher stock clock than my quad core.
Lowest I can find a 1600x for here is 250, not including shipping. In most retail stores that's more like 300.
Reeeeee.

>>62097998
ooh neato.

>>62097748
Never get this card.

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>>62098013
FX has gotten a LOT better at gaming ever since the Vulkan and DirectX 12 APIs came out since they make much better use of multi-threaded workloads.
In many benchmarks, especially games using the newer APIs, the FX chips will outperform the Sandy bridge or Ivy Bridge competitors.

AMD fans did say the gaming support would get better over time, while intel shills laughed.
Guess who was right?

>>62098047
The 8370 is just an 8350 with slightly higher clocks.

>>62098060
Why should I not get this card? I don't have the money to upgrade to 1060 6GB and the 570s are way overpriced here.

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>>62098056
We pay 600-900usd for Vega tho

>>62098087
Vegas haven't even gone on sale yet here.

>>62098062
i guess. i mean ive got an 8350 but i use it for stuff that never got optimised.

>>62097970
>>62098014
Sweet. Like I said then, this'll work fantastic for everything non-gaming.

EVGA B3 isn't as great as the old B2. B3s are about on the same level as the PSU you picked out which isn't very great at all.
Any other EVGA PSUs you have access to?

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>>62097951
A...anon. I rebooted after installing the drivers, plugged in both my displays to the gpu and now I just get this after the mobo splash screen.

>>62098106
Frontier edition been out here for a month and rx 64 been out for a week

>>62098076
yeah and depending on which monkey did the factory OCing it has issues.

>>62096434
>things that have never happend

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>>62098062
Let's count the number of relevant titles that use any of the newer APIs.

Could probably count them on one hand.

>>62098139
None of them are on sale here yet. None. Not even the FE, which I can't even find listed as coming soon in any retail store. All the RX cards are just listed as "coming soon".

>>62098135
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP.

>>62098135
what happens if you plug your secondary display to the onboard? the one you don't intend to game on preferrably

>>62098135
Yikes looks like a dead gpu or fault Mobo.

Try a bios reset and disable igp if that doesn't work try new gpu

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>>62098126
Choose your poison.

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>>62098135

>>62098162
Usa uk and aus got all the stock it seems

Amd fucked up with hbm supply so we will all be waiting until q4 q1 at the earliest but by then we might have prim

>>62098062
>In many benchmarks, especially games using the newer APIs, the FX chips will outperform the Sandy bridge or Ivy Bridge competitors.
Wrong.
They're finally not complete garbage, but Sandy still wins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76-8-4qcpPo

>>62098164
Secondary display boots. Main display stuck on same thing.

>>62098198
alright what the hell
now I don't see any other option than updating the bios

>>62098213
O...okay then. Here goes.

AMD processors have such a bad rep. I'm a bit hesitant about buying into the AMD ecosystem. I mostly play fighting games (Tekken is probably the most demanding fighter I've come across) and I don't need to be running everything maxed out at 4k. I'd also like to play DOOM every once in awhile. I also do development work on Linux, so I'd love to be able to install Linux on the system with minimal issues and do 3d dev with Vulkan and so on.

Budget is around $800 CAD. Would appreciate any advice. Also thank you OP/everyone who puts work into this thread its incredibly helfpul

>>62090605
corsair is shit psu

>>62098233
>I'm a bit hesitant
We don't care, nice blog. It's your money, not ours.

Go to PC Part Picker in the op and start with a Ryzen 3 1200. Piece it all out then come back.

Otherwise go to one of the subreddits where they pick out PC parts for you.

>>62098168
Fuckin' hell dude. You've got access only the shittiest ones and the top notch ones and nothing in-between. Getting shafted over there.

Cheapest one that you have access to that'd be even worth your while would be the first one on that list (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1).

>>62098250
no

>>62098186
Fucking anglosphere getting all the good shit.
Whatever, Vega is too power hungry, electricity is way too overpriced here and 400 euros is out of my budget anyway.

>>62098233
>AMD processors have such a bad rep
what? ryzens been nearly nothing but praise, threadripper btfo'd everything and epyc is pretty much the best cpu you can get right now. meanwhile intel is heat city right now. last get was a dissapointment in the high end market but not elsewhere. fx was good value after the price drop. are you too young to remember intels flame days?

>>62098265
yes

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>>62098213

>>62098276
txm series

>>62097926
I was thinking of offering this guy $250-300 USD? Would that be fair?

>>62098321
I know that feel, but you have fucking dual bios so it doesn't matter.

>>62098233
I have nothing but happy memories of k8 and s939 and a oc opteron 170 my last amd cpu was a a6 and had a 965be x4 for gaming it was a good CPU.

Never touched bullshitdozer but I used mates the temps and ipc where no meme but it didn't taint my experience with their cpus.

Truth be told I've only had 3 Intel builds and hated most of them. Especially the motherboards chipsets.

Z170 is at least reliable but x58 1366 was horrid memory problems and bottlenecked out the ass ddr3 1333 wasn't it?

Thank fuck I'm going to b350
>>62098267
We pay .32$ kwh are u dutch or something?

>>62098340
I'm not getting video output what the fuck
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>62098261
Sounds about right. Cheers senpai. I'll take that one.

>>62098337
Nah the a10 and 270 are worthless get the SSD and ram junk everything else offer him 300 or less
>>62098356
Did u try bios reset ?

>>62098356
even with the igfx?

>>62098369
That's the same as clearing CMOS settings? With the jumper?

>>62098273
Man these youngins that don't remember the Pentium 4 days piss me off. I'm still fucking mad at my old Altec Pentium prebuilt. Those things were room heaters and in the summer since I live in the fucking Med I had to run it with the side panel taken off. What a shitshow. Definition of a stutter fire.

>>62098233
CAD's worth about 67 cents, so you've got about 600 bucks.
Get a Ryzen 5 1500x (anything less than 8 threads is unacceptable in this day and age, unless you like 100% CPU usage 100% of the time). Then spec your rig out with a 1050, an A320 motherboard and one stick of 8GB of RAM. You'll be fine for the next year, then upgrade to 16 GB and a Volta GPU, and an SSD maybe.

>>62098393
Anon, I'm literally getting zero video output not even the splash screen.

>>62098344
I'm Greek my friend. Μαλάkα.

>>62098415
Can't think of anything. Even if you remove the 1080 and boot only from onboard?

What's wrong with i5s?

>>62098396
Best way is to take the battery out for a min

Idk u might have bricked it but from what you've said it was probably dying it is a 5 year old Intel board and those cpus are horrific for gaming these days
>>62098423
Malaka cunt.

I was in Athens in 2013 for weeks loved it found a Aussie hostel good times.

>>62098233
The Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, and Excavator processors from AMD were utter trash. The processors before them and now after them are rather stellar.

AMD's Ryzen CPUs are the best for the money right now.

Go for this: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/3HjHHN

>>62098233
Shekel deposited

>>62098435
Gimped they should have had ht from the get go.

I7 920 to i5 4690 here huge mistake.

Useless for multi tasking gaming 4k video you name it.

Good for older ipc heavy stuff I guess

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>>62098356
>>62098321

>>62098482
Delete this I'm going fucking mental here.

>>62098436
Oh I've been to Athens. It used to be alright It's dead now. It has no-go zones. Namely Exarchia and Omonia. I live in Crete, which is an island, hence the harsh electric prices (and also gov't jacks prices up cause they have loans to pay, as if we don't).
Cheers!

>>62098487
Good fucking luck friendo I promise we'll learn from your mistakes.

/pcbrickinggeneral/

rip mobo update guy

>>62097998
>That translates to better performance with lower amounts of VRAM.
Too bad 3GB still isn't enough for all games.

>>62098445
Excavator was bretty good for my fileserver.
replaced a Core2 E3300 with a 7400K
Power use is just under half at the mains (126w to 61w), same disks, same raid card, same PSU.
perf is actually great on int and about the same on fp. (running both at 2ghz)

For the money it was a no brainer (cpu and mb cost under $50 as a deal, RAM was an additional $60, sold the old Core2 gear for $30 - $80 all up)

>>62098337
Honestly? That build is worth barely $200. Probably $150 without that SSD.

Could get better.

>>62098502
That's sad I really enjoyed akropoli didn't go outside it desu apart from bari > wherever I forgot

Turkey got cucked too had to leave after 4 days was too violent

>>62098487
What's it doing turbonegro?
Is it powercycling or just showing nothing at all (is the cpu ramping up then stopping, over and over?)

It's an older Gigabyte board, all GB boards evenutally get into a weird situation where they won't boot properly without summon elder gods due to the DualBIOS fighting itself.
The fix is actually really easy - replace the cmos battery.

>>62098504
It's 1155 nothing of value was lost
>>62098505
I'm bumping my head on 16gb haven't upgraded since 2014 even my new build has 3200mhz 16gb because it's 200aud+
If prices drop I'll go 32gb or 64 but I doubt they will

>>62098505
Which horribly unoptimised garbage fires is it not enough for? And is paying an extra 100$ really worth it for me when all I have is a 1500x? I don't think spending too much on a card right now is worth it desu, they'll all be horribly obsolete the nanosecond Volta and eventually Navi hit the shelves. I'd rather get a stopgap guard just to finish this build, get it to boot make sure it's running fine, and finally replace my Core 2 Duo laptop stutterfire.

>>62098528
Ah as long as you stay outside those migrant areas it's still lovely, the Akropoli's not going anywhere, but it's just not a good place to live in and hasn't been for years.

>>62098561
the stopgap is 1050Ti.

>>62098561
Just underclock or undervolt ur 1500 and do the same to your GPU

Don't u have solar?

>>62098505
Yeah, sure. If you're an idiot and running at 4K with stupid high resolution textures then ofc 3GB/4GB won't be enough.

If you're playing at 1080p then you'll have a hard time breaking 2.5GB of VRAM at maxed out settings. Only horribly made games will be able to consume more than that at 1080p.

Is Vega crap?

Should I just wait for Volta now?

>>62098570
Greekbro should get a used 480 undervolt it

>bricking your bios with an update
how new

>>62098531
I just got the cmos battery out to do a reset. How long do I wait before putting it back in again?

>>62098487
did you back up the bios first before updating it like I told you earlier? If I'm not mistaken you can get gigabyte mobos to flash the bios by turning it on some different way
I need to read up on that, I have the users manual somewhere around

>>62098082
Don't listen to this idiot. The 1060 3GB is a perfectly fine card.

>>62098610
FUCK

>>62098584
>Only horribly made games will be able to consume more than that at 1080p.
That's like, the opposite of how RAM works. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, any game that doesn't take advantage of all the available VRAM is badly programmed.

>>62098586
Yes

No

Ask again next year until then there is no drivers no stock and nobody knows what the fuck primative shaders will do aside from some mad scribblings in a white paper.

If it's still shit by the time mcm volta is out or Navi just wait till 2018+

What specs u have ATM? If it's a 390/fury or better ur fine
>>62098603
5 min but it's bricked

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B75M/Look in ur manual dual bios might be on a jumper or switch or something else

>>62098630
inb4 he bricks the other one

>gigabyte rolls out new TriBios(tm) boards

>>62098630
I'd have to look for the manual but I can't see a jumper on the mobo right away.

>>62098630
DualBIOS is handled by a seperate IC, it's not user selectable.

>>62098630
GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB, i5 4570 3.2 ghz, and 8 GB RAM

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>>62098618
Lol ooops

Ryzen 1600 time
>>62098637
Mfw I bricked a old router once and rma it lel
>>62098641
Well go then
>>62098643
Who wants to bet he's bricked it

>>62098570
Hmm yeah those are the two cards I was considering. But isn't that sacrificing a bit too much performance just to save 80 bucks?

>>62098574
...what in the holy name of Christ are you talking about? Why would I undervolt my 1500X? That thing's running fine, only hits 80C with the stock cooler in synthetic stress tests. And I don't have a GPU, which is why I'm here.

And no, government has been stalling on installing solar power for fucking decades. We have wind but that's not nearly enough at the moment and quite expensive.

>>62098590
Problem with that is I can't find those for the life of me outside of Ebay. And because of Capital Controls I'm forbidden by law from opening my own bank account at the moment, as I'm also an engineering student. So Ebay is out of the question.

>>62098613
Thanks. Which 1060 would you recommend though? I was thinking MSI.

>>62098618
okay, so what happens if you remove the 1080 completely and try to boot? or if you install the 630?

>>62098668
Will try hold on

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>>62098623
That's not how that works dipshit.

A well made game only loads in the textures and assets it needs at the time into VRAM. It'd be utterly stupid to hog up all the VRAM unnecessarily.

Fuck off with the "unused RAM is wasted RAM" meme.

>>62098650
Similar CPU and RAM here they are hot garbage for gaming and multi tasking.

Get a 1700 if u want future proof + oc or a 1600x for out of the box and gaming edge right now.

As for a gpu well I consider anything under Vega 64 / 1080ti trash
>>62098659
Chill dood

Get a good cooler used noctura with a am4 kit will fit.

As for money go buy bitcoins and use that

Fuck debt controls

OH SHIT NIGGAS (this is with 1080 removed btw)

>>62098708
nothing? lmao

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>>62098708
FORGOT PIC SHIT'S BOOTING

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>>62098724

I'm gonna try and put the 1080 back in

>>62098749
>>62098724
>>62098719
/v/

>>62098694
3-6gb was enough in 2012-2015 but textures and vram requirements have ballooned since

I have a 8gb gpu and it would struggle with some 1080p-4k games and textures
>>62098724
Can u try the 1080 in another PC? It's fucked most likely as every Mobo since 200x defaults to pcie1 gpu if igp is enabled

U sure it was seated and plugged in right? Did you fans spin at all?

Is there much of a point in upgrading a 2600K @ 4.8GHz to a new platform?

>>62098772
I'm gonna plug it in this one again first. And I don't have a spare PC to try on hand right now.

>>62098761
$20 that you have a doa graphics card

>>62098708
>>62098724
well at least it works.
I'd RMA the 1080, something seems fucked about it.
Or get some bios which isn't the latest revision and try booting with it.

>>62098791
Dis
>>62098790
Longshot but what was your old GPU? Do u have another PCie slot

>>62098772
>textures and vram requirements have ballooned since

Sure. At higher resolutions.
You don't need anything higher than 4GB at 1080p.

>I have a 8gb gpu and it would struggle with some 1080p-4k games and textures

So, what, a 1070? Sounds like whatever games you're talking about are bottlenecked by your processor or horribly programmed.

>>62098791
>>62098798
Fuck all ya'll fags it's up. But now my CPU fan isn't spinning.

>>62098836
Siege bf1 shadows of Mordor tomb raider gta 5 and many other games would happily use 5gb+ at 1080p your a fucking moron

>>62098785
Depends on your usage.

Gayming: Definitely.
Programming/compiling or render work: Definitely.
Literally anything else: Nope.

>>62098785
Only if you're going Ryzen 7. Then you'll see massively better multitasking.
Or if you want to keep those high clock speeds wait for covfefe lake with that new chipset (one a year keeps the goyim in fear) and you can finally get a six-core 8700k at a price that may actually not be a complete fucking robbery.

>>62098702
Will the stock Wraith Spire my 1500x came with that I've already installed not be enough? It looks pretty beefy.
Fuck denbts in general.

>>62098853
lol

>>62098853
CPU or Mobo ded.

CPU fan no spin sounds like a power issue check ground and all plugs move cpu fan to other header?
>>62098871
I forget outside of aus u don't get 30-60 degrees Celsius Summers and 20-35 Winters

>>62098871
Nevermind on the CPU. I think the connector was just dodgy or something. Let's see how the 1080 performs...
>>62098888
It's fine anon. It booted.

Had to sell my old PC when I moved to the mainland and now I get to build a whole new one. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/csFs2R Thoughts on this build?

>>62098909
>paying for windows
>asrock

>>62098927
I was using Windows as a stand in for a mic I'm gonna buy. What's wrong with ASRock?

>>62098909
Faster ram (3000/3200) is recommended

>>62098859
I've got a 4GB card and I play BF1 maxed out with zero problems.
I've also got Siege maxed out with zero problems and ~2.5GB of VRAM used.
GTA 5 - 3.6GB of VRAM, maxed out.
Shadow of Mordor - 3.7GB with the HD texture pack, maxed out.
Rise Of The Tomb Raider - 3.3GB, maxed out.

You're a literal idiot.
Go back to /r/pcmasterrace with your mindless bullshit.

>>62098902
This 1080 sounds like a fucking jet engine

>>62098902
Might have had dust in the pcie it's common
>>62098909
16gb 3200 RAM and ur good
>>62098988
>What is texture compression
Kys ramcuck I bet u have 8gb ddr4

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>>62099016

>>62099008
Custom fan curve

>>62098909
>shit ram
>no ssd
but
>$60 aftermarket cooler
>X370 motherboard

you made some weird choices

>>62099038
Yeah I'll configure my shit later. I'm gonna see how it performs and then leave for dinner.

>>62098888
>50 Celsius summers
Og God. Most we get is 40C and even that's really damn rare. Winters will ocasionally go down to 0 degree. It even snows once in every few years.

>>62098909
>40 dollar mouse
>x370 for a non-SLI setup
>cheaping out on an enthusiast chipset motherboard
>only 8GB of slow DDR4 on a Ryzen rig when you're paying 90 bucks for a power supply
>paying 90 bucks for a power supply
>expensive aftermarket cooler on a 65W TDP cheap that already comes with a cooler (okay maybe if you're trying to overclock in which case just pay extra for the 1600x it's a better bin)
>paying for Windows
I-is this some kind of bait or is this reasoning simply beyond my poorfag understanding of the world?