why do people keep buying these? I understand why the technologically

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>>62059768

>>62059768
They are gay and like to suck dicks because of how much of faggots they are.

They look good, and the DE looks good. Most people would agree with that here

>>62059837
i was looking for a more discussion based reasoning taking into account any practical features the machine may have or features the os comes with that windows lacks but that makes alot of sense

>>62059865
They do almost everything windows does but apples brand is glamorous

At the end of the day most normies are incredibly simple creatures. They want to browse facebook, watch Netflix and maybe read some familiar mainstream news.

To normies appearances are king, and the altar that all functionality and pricing must be sacrificed to.

Having a Mac is just that: appearances. The computer doesn't need to BE good, it needs to LOOK good. It's a fashion accessory that's suppose to help reflect your personal unique style (you know, the same style literally everyone else has).

I am completely serious when I say that they could sell these machines with cheaper hardware every iteration and at this point still have a sizable default audience that would pay a grand every time.

Why? Because it's pretty and they're locked in.

>>62059768

It's not overpriced, you're just underpaid.

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It's so nice, anon

>>62060060
Why is it sideways, though ?
Do you live on the equator ?

>>62059768
social status

Because they can.

>>62060069
It's so nice tho

>>62059768
Because I can't find a good laptop with perfect linux compatibility

Haha, what's up /g/, I'm casually browsing here, which I never usually do. By your standards, I'm probably a 'normie' in terms of tech, and yes, I'm a Macfag. Actually, I'm here because my machine is slowly dying (2011) and I'm considering going the Hackintosh route.

Anyways, some actual response to OP instead of your usual /g/ shitposting...

>why do people keep buying these?

undeniably, the brand is well polished, sexy, fashionable, and it's a finely put together package as a whole. As you already know, most buy these for 'lifestyle' purposes, but I think there's more to it:

My opinion:

>-controlled & refined user experience.

OSX is simple and relatively easy to use if you're a dummy. Also easy to fix most issues with a quick google search if you're not totally a dummy and not afraid to type a line or 2 into Terminal (that's me, lol)

>-not having to defrag/maintain them.

Most of the Macfags I know like them because they generally run fine without user intervention. That matters to a normie who is not a tinkerer and has other things to worry about.

>branded as the artist's computer

Yes, I'm a creative type. I was sold on mac a long time ago when all my musician friends use them. They're generally stable. Plenty of apps for them with great support. Very Few weird driver errors for external hardware. Again, just generally easy to use.


TLDR: macfags like them because they are pretty, and less options means less shit to go wrong, which translates to easy to use. The overall experience matters. Macfags see the whole rather than the sum of the parts.

Hope that helps make sense, ya dirty Austists! :D

>>62059768
you will be judged for ugly laptop in media/law/finance etc. everywhere where you would need to dress up you also need a fancy laptop, other way you look cheap and no one will do business with you when you show up looking underfunded

Because it's linux that doesn't waste my time with trivial shit. I have work I could be completing instead of searching for a script so I can paste in the terminal.

What's the /g/ approved laptop?

t. Newfag

I got a used MBP for like 900 bucks (2013) to use for recording music. It works perfectly for what I need it to do with out all the messiness and unnecessary customizability of windows. I came to it from Linux (Bodhi) and I have literally never been happier with a computer in my life but my needs are modest and I place a premium on nothing standing between me and laying down tracks.

>>62059768
Mac faggots want something that has the color of being semen stained, just like their hearts are.

I bought one to iOS dev because >>62059837
pic related are really great customers. Androidfags are stingy as fuck.

>>62060142
i get the message that the thinkpad is /g/'s laptop of choice but honestly i don't see why. the ideapad series is sexier while maintaining a decent bang for the buck ratio. I have an idea pad 510 its got an i5 dualcore processor (not ideal but i only paid 400 for it maaaybe 500 tops) its got 8gb ram and a gtx 940. Not a power house of a machine, but its also my side machine. when i go to the coffee shop for some peace and quiet to work that's what im taking. fuck the android tablet, i made the mistake of making an android tablet my paper writer in highschool, im in college now and ubuntu mate and libre office are my best friend when im not using my windows 10 power house desktop pc.

Because Apple does marketing right, in every major movie you're going to see a Macbook or iPhone and want one. Windows laptops are only advertised on actual commercials like "get this super fast laptop with 8gb ram and an enormous 1TB from BestBuy today!"

Also the build quality is spectacular even if its cheap metal, and its gonna feel nice carrying it around. I hate laptops overall because Ive only had medium budget Windows ones made out of plastic.

The Dell XPS is its closest rival and if the entire body would be aluminium i might consider it, but i also want to try OSX. I dont play games

If I were to Hackintosh a laptop, what would be a good laptop to get for this purpose? What would outperform a current MBP and be under $1000?

>>62060194
Thanks m8

>>62060142
Anything 17" or larger with gentoo installed.

>>62059949
t. normalfag
anyone who says "NORMIES" is guaranteed to be a Facebook using ledditor normalfag that doesn't like anime.

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>>62060231
>or larger
Step aside, laptoplets.

>>62060085
system76.com
thinkpenguin.com

>>62060331
Not in my country

>>62060415
What europoor country you in then?

>>62060069
>Do you live on the equator ?
That made zero fucking sense

>>62060234
>ledditor
t. normie

>>62060331
>system76
Fuck off. Stop supporting absolute scum companies.

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>>62060469
What's wrong with them ?
Not that guy, I'm just curious.

>>62060261
>that trackpad placement

D

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Because they just work and dont spy on uunlike windos 10

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>>62059768
>why do people keep buying these? I understand why the technologically daft media producer would buy it, but why does the average consumer keep buying these overpriced scam machines?

So they they can sit in starbucks, take instacrap photos and show people that they have a Apple product.

Its all about attention. They are desperate for likes.

>>62059768
It feels good having nice things.

And macbook pros are the only piece of consumer technology that actually happens to be objectively superior while being super mainstream at the same time.

Which laptop should I get as a poorfag? It only needs to run linux and do movies/word processing. Big screen is better.

>>62060583
A used macbook.

What is your budget?

>>62060603
500 ausbux, could go a little bit higher. Nice keys are preferrable since I'll be doing a lot of typing on it probably.

>>62060617
Ok so you need a used thinkpad, T series.

>>62060331
>Macs are overpriced
>Suggests ThinkPenguin and System76

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>>62060105
this has to be bait. please let it be bait.

>>62059768
They were made "for americans": press a button and just works... no need to have a brain to use them. from that point of view they are a marvel.

>>62060656
was actually curious from the perspective of mac owners really. I kind of want a chromebook to use alongside my desktop and laptop for when im in bed or something.

>>62060642
>thinkpad, T series
which one?

>>62060708
With your budget, the newest you can get.
Get a refurbished one

>>62059768
because of the OS

you dont buy an apple computer because of the computer.. the ONLY reason to buy apple is to run MacOS period.

>hackintosh
the average consumer has no ideia or patience for it..

>>62060725
>http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-Ultrabook-Laptop-T440-i5-4300u-1-9Ghz-8GB-240GB-14-TOUCHSCREEN-/282597078916?epid=1222719167&hash=item41cc193784:g:MoAAAOSw2WBZgwZ8

Like this? I don't know shit about this brand, or laptop components in general

>>62059768
Probably the same reason you buy something that isn't the best purchase, just lack of knowledge.

Most people literally don't care. They saw an ad for Apple computers, all their friends with Macs say they're great and so they buy them. That's it.

When I bought boots a few years ago I probably could have shopped around for another brand and saved some money. I didn't care. I walked into the store and chose whatever felt right. They got the job done and only started to give my troubles a couple years later when one started to stretch out more than the other.

Now fuck off.

>>62059768
They don't know who the CEO of apple is.

>>62060656

Not Bait. Post is Serious. What's your problem, anon? Please explain in something more than just a standard meme-tier emotional argument

>>62060768

Do you know who the CEO of Lenovo is?

>>62060749
Yeah it looks ok.
But you can get cleaner refurbished products like this:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420-Laptop-i5-2520M-2-5GHz-8GB-RAM-320GB-HDD-Win-10-Pro-/232454524532?epid=2189498699&hash=item361f5e8e74:g:6~4AAOSwMf1ZmBkp

keep looking

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>>62060105
>controlled and refined user experience
this is too subjective to even mention. Literally a "just werks" argument. Not valid. My experience working on a 2015MBP retina was me wanting to bash the thing because osx was such dogshit, but I enjoyed the form factor, battery, screen, and keyboard. Track pad was meh. So I guess your first point stands.

>Apps
Friendly reminder that this is /g/ so please at least don't use the A word

TLDR
>GBTR

>ya dirty Austists
>Austists
ffs

Oh an let's not forget the newer models are impossible to work on, modify, or fix and doing so voids your warranty and typically requires security bits that are custom to Apple. Also, memebar is just about the gayest shit I've ever seen on a laptop. Going with the apple brand is literally cucking yourself with the analogy being your computer as your wife and apple as the bull. Anything that she needs to satisfy her needs has to come from apple and not you.

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It's a tablet with a keyboard, at a slight(ish) premium. The only reason tablets are hitting the shitter is because of the typing problem, since otherwise they literally fit 90% of people's needs for a computer beyond their phone.
It's the same market segment as me, really. I(and /g/) just like more durability and like different creature comforts, which is a great way to hide how poor I am by buying an old thinkpad.

Don't get me wrong, I love this thing, and I'll probably buy another newer one when I need to, but Apple knows their market very well.

>>62060708
T4xx are 14"
T5xx are 15.6"

A T530 just popped up on eBay au for $321

For $300 you can get a T430 easily

But for less than $500 you couldn't get better than 2011 macbook

It's purely a waste of money to get a second hand MacBook over some other brand

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>>62059768
quite simply, they're dimply

>>62059768
Monkey see, monkey do.

>>62059768
Because they're nice to use.

"But price for specs compared to this other thing", you might argue. That isn't the highest priority - or even all that important - to everyone. Nor does that make them "overpriced scam machines", necessarily.
"But trackpad instead of clitmouse/that keyboard/the screen isn't 16:10 (and similar), how is that nice to use?", you might argue. To each their own; just because you don't like any of those things, doesn't mean no-one does or that they're wrong for doing so.

Really, there's no one thing I can point to and say "this makes it worth hundreds of dollars more than that PC", and any given thing I like about them someone else is going to dislike. And really, the same applies to every other option; nothing is all things to all people.

It's a keyboard, trackpad, port layout, monitor, operating system, etc that's comfortable to me and stays that way for a good number of years. I don't mind paying a bit extra for comfort, or to put it another way, cheaper is not worth something I find a pain in the arse to use. And given how long I go between new laptops, the extra expense really isn't much, looking at the long term.

>>62060850
>security bits
?

>>62060060
The keyboard is legitimately one of the worst I've ever felt. It just feels like it clicks under your fingers. No travel, no feedback, no way to use it without hours of adaption away from my actual keyboard or thinkpad's keys.

>>62060952
Bits like screwdriver bits not data bits. You know those specialized bits for screws with non standard heads. Apple even invented their own specialty security bit that was even more of a bitch. It was like torx but lobed. Motherfuckers.

>>62060902
>But for less than $500 you couldn't get better than 2011 macbook
>It's purely a waste of money to get a second hand MacBook over some other brand

Wut, so I want the mac or I don't? I'm confused anon

>>62059768
because everything else is running windows 10

>>62060980
'couldn't get better than' as in 'couldn't get something more recent in an Apple laptop', I would assume.
He's right in saying that a used Thinkpad is your best option. I got the T420 I'm currently typing on in great condition from a guy on Gumtree for a full $190 kangaroo funbucks and it's done me brilliantly so far.

>>62060998
What do you use yours for? I just need mine to play movies and do word processing so I'm trying to be a stingy cunt

>>62060980
You fucking retard

>>62060998
Also I know what couldn't get better than, but the next quote contradicts the first one

"you can't get better than a macbook" "macbooks are a waste of money"

They integrate very well with other Apple devices

Far less likelihood of picking up malware

The OS isn't ad infested malware itself, which some norms might notice

>>62060234
are you this new?

>>62061006
I've ended up using it more than my desktop since I got it, so everything from shitposting to actual university work. You can't go better than a Thinkpad keyboard when it comes to laptops, so it's what you want if you're doing word processing. Even the new chicklet style one, while not as good as the classic IBM-based one, is still the best laptop keyboard on the market.
>>62061017
Anon, read the entire quote. He's not saying you can't get better than a macbook. He's saying that unless you go over $500 you can't even consider a macbook more recent than 2011.

>>62060979
Eh, you can buy them fairly cheap.

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>>62059768
>Actual PC guy who recently transition to Mac because of college program
>Studying Recording Arts
>Questioning most of my professors why mac is mostly used
>"At the start of transitioning from analog to digital, Macintosh supported most of this companies that were making the softwares like Avid who made Protools and all professional movie editing softwares) letting old people from the industry adapt easier to these technologies"
Now days Windows based computers can do must of the stuff, but Mac OS are most stable for longer periods of usage. Eventually, when I graduate I will try to get back to PC. Since Steve Jobs died, most apple products are starting to get faulty from the get-go (speaking by experience here since my MacBook Pro ports from just 1 month of usage fucking screwed up out of nowhere)
In my opinion, they are easy to use and are stable most of the time. Unless you are using a lot of processing power around 90%, probably you won't have any issue.

>>62061157
Please explain what happens if you "are using a lot of processing power around 90%"

>>62060617
Or get a used mbp 2012, they go fairly cheap if the superdrive is damaged or the specs are shit. Its the last model on which you can easily upgrade ram, harddisk and battery yourself (you will need a small phillips head, a t4 and y3 screwdriver for these things).

>>62059768
Same thing can be said about burgers from mcdonalds

>>62059768
I've bought MBA 11" 2011 for work and net surfing. It's light, fast and have better battery life than Windows. You phone is android thou

>>62059768
Because OSX is better than Windows and especially on laptops

Because it has fantastic build quality and materials. Compare the feel of it to a XPS 13, if you put pressure on the keyboard the whole thing moves.
Also you get a display thats better than most you will ever use, get a windows computer with a screen like that it will also be that expensive.

And finally the software, it just fucking works, no bullshit.

The new ones are a bit overprices, but with a good deal definitely worth to think about.

>>62061579
>if you put pressure on the keyboard the whole thing moves.
Better than a 2017 macbook, the keys don't even move.

>>62061588
Yeah its weird and you have to get used to it. But isnt this the right board for autistic people like me who need to have the whole thing not giving in and to be perfectly aligned and manufactured?

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personally, for programming

>>62060218
Get a used MacBook if you're serious about switching over to MacOS. Word of warning, Apple isn't for poorfags. 3rd party apps cost something called money. If you pay for it, it works. It's loonix for richfags, just throw money at the thing to make it work.

I bought one
I'm a filmmaker and I'm travelling all the time, so I needed something portable
Otherwise I would've assembled a desktop, but I simply don't have where to keep it
As for editing video on a laptop, final cut pro X can't be beaten.
I bought three 15" XPS laptops shortly before this, but they were all faulty trash, so I returned them and decided to just do what's right and get the Mac

>>62061609
The issue with something with no give is that it dents or breaks easier. I can squeeze the rest of my thinkpad as hard as I can, and it just pops back into shape. I would've irreversibly dented a Macbook with a similar stunt.

not that overpriced compared to professional laptops like thinkpads

>>62060457
>normie
Fresh off the boat?

>>62060457
>t. normie
Stopped reading right there.

>>62059949
The new MBP is pretty good specced out. I've got one with 16GB of RAM, 1TB SSD and 4/8 which has pretty good battery life. Granted, i got it for free..

>>62060331
Both are god awful.

it appeals to normies because it's "nice".

>>62059768


because you get what you pay for.

>>62059768
>muh expensive shit that kewl ppl use

as seen on tv

>>62059768

It looks very nice and helps you do everyday stuff with its nice-looking OS.

For A LOT of people it really is enough. I don't blame them. Some people are into technology, some aren't. Some people care if for $500 they could buy a better computer, some don't. It sounds ridiculous to you but for some people it really is just about getting from A to B in their job or free time.

My daughter bought herself a Macbook recently. The wife and I told her to look around at generic Chromebooks, or other cheaper laptops that could get her by in school. I almost bought her a ThinkPad, but knowing schoolkids, someone would probably laugh at her for me browsing 4chins
Funnily enough, she was able to afford it with her job (some fast food place, I don't pay enough attention to her when she talks desu), so they're either not super expensive, or there's some school discount.
Oh well, if someone wants to spend over a grand for a laptop, and of they can last for 5 years or however long school is now, then so be it. It's their parents money. If they want to waste their parents money on unnecessary shit, that's their problem.

>>62060331

He said "good", not Alibaba sourced frankenstein machines that a few guys wrote native Linux drivers for

>>62061650
I dunno, for all the abuse I've subjected my MBA to, it hasn't really deformed.

having good income being dev, loving good command line, not liking linux desktop, not liking build quality of overpriced dell and lenovo laptops, dont want to dual boot with windows and switch between win and linux, having an 4-5 weeks uptime without even paying attention to it, actually good hardware, great screen, great touchpad... why the fuck not?

>>62060234
>doesn't like anime
Why would any self-respecting adult male like anime?

>>62060471
Youd have to live on north pole for that joke to make any sense. Just because you intended it to be funny doesn't mean it actually was you wanna be wit master.

>>62060702
>for when im in bed
You want to take your computer to bed with you?

>>62063465
>overpriced dell and lenovo laptops
This man is about to become a meme

>>62061893
point being made


you

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>>62061893
>tfw mine is 512gb

>>62059862
working with adobe products on macOS is a pleasure. switched to windows two years ago and it's a mess

>>62063542
you are embarrassing yourself

>you will be judged for ugly laptop in media/law/finance
Really?

>>62059768
MacBook is great for a typical computer user. Very user friendly. It's almost dummy proof. Everything is easy to install, applications are easy to find and run. Great for people who have basic work or perhaps media work and have no more interest in the computer.

/g/ leans to a tech crowd that desires privacy (or at least understands it better), customizability, and speed. It's stupid the think the average consumer leans towards /g/ idealogies. Perhaps it would be useful for Xcode if said user is producing heavily for OSX?

Build quality and lifespan is actually very decent for a laptop

>>62059768
It comes with a real brand-name Unix OS and has commercial applications.

Stay mad, Michael Dell.

>>62059768
That's a loaded question.

>>62059949
While I think Macbooks can be good for SOME professionals, normalfags aren't obviously using their features and you're right.

It's the same reason why they spend hours in gym lifting or why girls spend hours with makeup or shit. They just want to appear and look good, what miserable lives. And they call us losers.

>>62060443
>believing in the earth is round meme

>>62059768
my guess is user experience.
stuff "just works" and is "easy", noone ever reads the manual, and macs do their stuff for pleebs.

nowadays you don't have to have any clue of how all of this works, simply thanks to user experience design (who even knows what a hard drive is, or a "browser")

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>>62064347
>>62064424
>>62065438

>>62060583
Don't listen to thinkpad shills here dude. I'm aussie too and while Thinkpads aren't really easy to find refurbished from big companies (which is the state in which /g/ deems them worthy, as companies won't have mistreated them as privates would, since most workers keep them off in workstations) here as they are in amerifat, they're not even that great either. DELL Latitudes are far more used from australian companies in the ideal state, and they're also sturdier and have an extra PCI slot, all of this while looking a lot less retarded. I luckily got one for nearly free from my aunt who used it in her office so it was even better since it was used from someone I knew.

>>62065898
Nice b8

>>62065884
Some professionals?
Windows laptops do mostly everything better and faster and with the move to cloud services (infrastructure as code, no ssh access needed), even sysadmins cant say they use it for UNIX.

>>62061206
It heats up a bit.

Still less than your chinktop with a 2005 which doesn't have that power and will take fire. Or your coil whining Dell XPS.

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>>62065931

Nice meme

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How can Thinkpads even compete?

>>62062517
I laughed at kids from her school laughing while saying "ur father browses /g/ lul", my college grade son got himself said he was a channer for using my old thinkpad too

Anyway how the heck could your daughter buy one with a fast food job? I'd give more attention to her private life, as a fellow father I know girls can be pretty sketchy nowadays...

>>62063517
Because it's the same as watching TV shows but something different from your usual american TV shows which can turn to be pretty boring after a while

>>62064100
All """business laptops""" (if someone still buys into this meme) are overpriced as fuck, at least MacBooks have faster integrated SSDs, actually good build quality and also a design that is not retarded.

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>>62066038
>macshit
>build quality

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>uses windows
>downloads hottestnewjustinbieberxdrniggagangstashit.jpg.mpg.HOT.music.album.FREE.tar.exe
>OMG WTF I GET VIRUS
>FUCKING M$!!!111
>goes out and buys a macbook
>max r SO secure and KEWL!!!11 no VIRUSES xD

>uses android
>downloads tottalyfreehotnewgameforabsolutelyfree.lol.nojoke.completelyfree.notavirus.app
>OMG WTF MY PHONE GET VIRUS
>goes out an buys ishit
>PHEW im so glad apel treats me like a toddler and doesnt let me install or do anything, freedum is too dangerous xDD

Why do technology illiterate mactoddlers come to /g/ at all?

>>62065953
Sound processing stuff on Mac is a lot smoother, I use my XPS 15 for some audio producing with Pro Tools but it heats up like hell with just a couple guitar VSTs and a MIDI controller connected, and drivers end up bugging and crashing for the lack of power. I did the same on a friend's MBP with Logic Pro and it seemed to be another world's machine. This is one of the uses I can talk about better but I heard situation is similiar for images/video processing.

>>62065946
>thinking this is a bait

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>>62066079
>images/video processing
>macintrash

>>62059768
It's a class thing. Conspicuous consumption. Read Veblen. Or, if you're lazy/a teen, read the Rebel Sell.

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>>62066112
This desu senpai.

Apple is the new welfare queen symbol.

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>>62066058
This may have been true in 2004, newer Thinkpads are really shitly built. Plus who gives a shit about NASAfags, they program stuff in Java and wonder why their rockets fall.
Dreaming about space in 2017 is the real toddlers' thing you shill. Do you also dream to be a policeman or a firefighter?

Go back to your space pictures subreddit and jerk off to them while you "dream"

>>62059865
Unix-like OSes are superior to Windows

>>62066095
Must've been a fake test, 7700 HQ is no way inferior to 6600U:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-vs-Intel-Core-i7-6600U/m211019vsm36828

>>62059768
Nice bait. If iOS and macOS were for toddlers as you autists say they are, pros and power users wouldn't be using them. Face it, you have no argument. All you do is cry about "mactoddlers" and whine about being too broke to ever try a real computer.

>>62065997
damn that's sexy
what is it?

>>62059768
I would say that 70% of the students at my university use one of these. My girlfriend's mom gave her a maxed out 15 inch MBP because she got all A's one semester. I'm in the engineering and math side of my campus (granted a liberal arts state school) and people either use these or alienware, razer type pcs. Maybe 3% of people use thinkpads. I use a fucking Dell Latitude with ubuntu on it and people think that I'm a computer wiz.

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>>62059768
>average consumer

Asked and answered. Because they're dumb as a sack of fucking bricks.

>>62066199
DELL Latitude

>>62059837
Pretty much this. Apple users have more money than brains and believe they need a laptop and a $10 cup in a public place to get work done (usually end up dicking in itunes).

You could sell these people laptops with ARM processors, they'd still pay thousands for the apple logo.

>>62066212
My CS Uni is either MBP shills or XPS shills. Only a friend of mine has a Thinkpad while I use a HP cheap laptop I bought for it's decent AMD A12 for it's price with Ubuntu/Win10 dual boot.

The sad thing is how normie people is in these faculties, there's people literally googling for bodybuilding stuff/dating shit in class, and most people feels like you're an alien as you start talking about anything outside our exam's program. Expecially girls, heck, they're all bad looking yet they're retardedly normie to the point that most of them say stuff like "oh let's leave them to their talking" when me and some friends start talking about software development or related stuff. It's YOUR future job too you sluts!

>>62066327
I rarely see XPS people. My fucking CS professor is a fucking great programmer but an absolute fucking normie.

>skateboards to class
>couldn't remember what IDE stands for
>expensive ass mbp
>talks like Sean Penn from fast times at ridgemont high

I go to the University of Georgia and it's possibly the most dudebro chad university on the planet though so it's expected.

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>>62066174
>i can't handle reallity so i'll call it fake
>t. mactoddler

Macs are overheating underpowered throtttling piles of shit. Full stop.

do people even need laptops anymore? if you can touch type and had a bluetooth keyboard you could type to your phone.

I can get why people buy Apple stuff but I don't get why Microsoft is trying to compete with them in that market with surface which we all know is a POS.

Honestly I can admire them for being well-built, reliable machines. Sure, you have no control over anything on them or in them, but if your intent is to get a computer that lasts and is relatively idiot-proof (not to mention one that holds its value well), you can't do poorly with a Mac. I know some people who have macbooks from 2010 when they started college and they're still using them now without issues (one where a battery replacement was needed but that's not too horrible on that model of mac).

Though personally I would be wary of anything made by Apple after Jobs died, he seemed to be the one who insisted on functionality being important. I just look at the shitty keyboard on the super-thin macbook air or the stupid touchbar shit on the newest macbook and I wonder how they ever thought they were good ideas. But then again, you might just as well argue that they are more concerned over making phones than computers anymore.

>>62066497
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>62066174
>Must've been a fake test, 7700 HQ is no way inferior to 6600U:

It's bottle-necked by the cooling system
Pretty much every "high power" laptop is, but some more than others.
It's the price you pay for not having big "ugly" vents.

>>62066508
No, obviously not a retarded person could not use 4chan.

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>>62066497
Have you been living in a cave for the last couple years?

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/06/microsoft-surface-beats-ipad-j-d-power/

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/microsoft-surface-tops-apple-ipad-in-jd-power-survey.html

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/tablets/apple-ipad-pro/23356/ipad-pro-vs-microsoft-surface-pro-4-windows-10-trumps-ios-every-time

http://www.barrons.com/articles/ipad-or-surface-consumers-make-surprising-choice-1491582428

https://www.onmsft.com/news/microsoft-beats-apple-online-tablet-sales

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>>62066174
>Must've been a fake test

The ABSOLUTE state of mactoddlerism.

>>62066572
surface is a fucking joke.

>>62066608
Yes, and? Who are you arguing with? We're just confirming apple trash is an even bigger joke.

>>62059865
you've come to the wrong place then

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>>62066608
>t. assblasted iToddler

>>62066710
lol thats like infomercial tier. and no I've never bought anything apple

>>62059768
Simple: it's a fashion accessory and a beautiful piece of tech. It's like asking why do people buy 500$ watches when a casio f91w can do even better and is 5$? People just enjoy to have aesthetic tech. afaic, i'd never put 1000$ on a computer since I use it for spreadsheet, word processor, youtube and gcc

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>>62066748
>thats like infomercial tier

That's just the state of apple. :^)

>>62066710
>left video
>using alumin(i)um laptop on rough stone surface

>>62065997
>lan port
thats how

>>62066782

TBF, same propaganda by MSVerge

The battery case for the iPhone is thin, grippy and comfortable to use, the mouse has enough battery to last for months, you can charge it like at night, and the stylus doesn't need to be charged like that, it comes with a plastic piece to charge with the cable.

Note: don't have anything from Apple.

>>62065931
Did your mommy end up replacing that?

>>62066834
>>lan port
>lan

>there's a """"lan"""" port front and center in the picture

>>62066834
What's wrong with it?

>>62066038
>actually good build quality
drop em

>>62066038
>comparing Macbooks to business laptops.

LOL.

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> buy 150 - 200 $ mint condition macbook from 2009 - 2012
> turn it into a leenox machine
> Thinkpad cucks with their clunky tetris looking laptops BTFO

>>62066453
Dude you're taking a Mid 2015 MBP review while the MBP you were talking about is Late 2016.

Typical Apple haters, hating on le abble because they know nothing about it

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>>62066675

>>62066967
How easy is it to replace the battery of a 2012 Macbook?

>batteries
>lasting more than a couple of years.

>>62060105
OK, I have to agree, aplel shells became more professionals.

>>62065997
>chicklet board
>no option for multiple hot-swap batteries
>no ultrabay
>gay screen ratio
lol

>>62066392
Do you remember when being passionate about tech brought nerdy kids together?

Now everyone's a "nerd", it's so cool. But they also go to the gym everyday, talk like Sean Penn in that movie, and in general are chad douches.

>>62067002

Unscrewing a few screws, that's bout it.

>>62066634
>Apple sells
le normalfags dont understand muh superior products! Sales are not a synonym of quality!
>MS outsells apple
apple sucks cause they sell less!

>>62066982
>grasping at straws.

MBP's have had shit cooling for ages.
It's simply becasue Apple doesn't want to add big vents or noisy fans.

>>62066935
You're right, it's not an even comparison as macbooks are not a scam for office retards who actually buy into their consulent's propaganda. Do you also use agile and scrum?

>>62067043
I have no problem with people going to the gym and all. I like hiking and i like spending time with my friends and all. But, I really think movies like the internship and what GTA V did with that whole tech company show exactly what the problem with this industry is now. Attractive GUIs and accessible operating systems should never have been adopted as it has fucking ruined the community that basically built computing.

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>>62060142
Mine.

>>62059768
I've had one for two years now. No issues whatsoever. I have a stable, fast, reliable, unix based system.

>>62060105
/thread

>>62067124
holy shit that's fucking gay

>>62067086
You can say they have less power but
>shit cooling
lurk harder

One thing I find is consistently missed by computer-literate reviewers (both on /g/ and elsewhere) is weight.

I'm getting a laptop because I want to move it around quite a bit, but I also want high perfomance. Now, I know that this is gonna be a compromise, but there are some laptops that are considerably better at this (e.g. MSI Phantom, Gigabyte Aero 14, etc.) than your generic 5 kg Dell.

If you didn't care about portability, why didn't you get a desktop?

>>62067124
Is that the Predator?

>>62067124
Now just tell me why one would want all that wasted space.

At least they could put the keyboard on top so that you would have a palm rest...

>>62067112
>having replaceable parts and plenty ports is a scam now
- what mactodlers actually believe.

Yes, they are slightly worse value for money.
But when you own a business you don't really care because it's deductible.

>>62067124
Have old breaking gx740 for 'gaming' - fine
Have MBP 13" for programming - fine
This free space and whole construction of this guy - da fug MSI

>>62059768
Windows is awful

>>62067183
>gay
It's the opposite, it's the only choice for manly guys who like to do serious wight lefting on the go.

>>62067226
MSI TITAN

>>62067230
It's not wasted, the space up there is for quick upgrade (4 m.2 drives, ram slots,etc) almost all the parts are replaceable, even the GPS, it's like a hood for your car.
And for palm rest,there is a dedicated piece to put, but you get used to use the keyboard without it after a while like me.

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>>62060656
>>62060850
>>62067026
don't give it attention

>>62067195
What have you been smoking?

The "less power" is due to thermal throttling.
The CPU itself is fine.
You should easily be able to upgrade a MBP to a decent performer by removing the cover and placing it over a fan.

>>62067237
Taking macbooks apart (I'm not the other poster) I always thought business laptops were scams. Every laptop has replaceable parts if you're handy with them (ofc some of them are annoying to replace parts on, but you can live with it since you'll do that once each in 5 years if any), and a lot of "consumer laptops" (it's so retarded to use this term as if they were something different) have good build quality and all of the features you think are exclusive to "business laptops" (except perhaps the workstation but I could care less about it).

Also, a lot of shills here keep recommending old chinkpads and while I can see some fashion to them (I revitalized a lot of old laptops with SSDs and Linux on them, among them is an old netbook I use for light computing on the go), what if someone needs power because they're 3D artists, game developers, musicians or anything that needs some power? Should they buy into the meme and spend 1500 bucks for a "business laptop" with a decent GPU, or just get a "consumer" ASUS or HP for about 800 bucks with the same power and in most cases also a decent build?

I can agree anyway on the fact that most people don't need all that power and they can get away with older PCs.

>>62067112
If you write macs backwards, it spells scam.

>>62067343
Why not put that "hood" under the keyboard?

>>62067343
*GPU

>>62067398
I love how angry you Pajeets get about Apple.

I know, it costs three years salary over there, but still, jealousy is not becoming.

>>62067398
Is that your argument?

>>62060430
just had a look at system 76 laptops, talk about over priced pieces of shit

just bought a lenovo with better specs for 500 euro with 7th gen jewtel and DDR4 ram and a gt950mx 4gb nvidia shit tier

they only have discrete graphics starting at over 1500K, yeah fuck that shit

>>62067212
How much of a numale are you?
All modern laptops are light, even "huge" gaming laptops.
The only heavy component is the battery, and if you want portability you don't want to cut back on that anyways.

Also you can easily read the specs to tell you which laptop is 50g lighter than the competition.

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>>62067112
>mactoddler talking about other people getting scammed

topkek

>>62067112
>Do you also use agile and scrum?

Wait...scrum is bad now?

You rather have some tech illiterate manager tell you how to do your job?

>>62067402
This is not Volkswagen beetle, anon.

>>62067435
I was admittedly brought up on the Macbook Air. No longer using Mac stuff, but that was where I started. I'm used to lightweight stuff. I've tried out heavier laptops, and I don't like it.

It's not about 50g when it's hard-pressed to find something under 2kg BESIDES Macbooks and Surfaces. This is one of the reasons normies tend to go for those things, and I am unashamed in the fact that I value it too.

>>62066259
Which Model? I'm into my Lats myself.

>>62067504
>and I am unashamed in the fact that I value it too.

>>>/fa/
>>>/lgbt/

>>62067402
I think the motherboard / battery placement won't allow it.

>>62067531
Apologies for not being a basement dweller, I guess?

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>>62067511
E6400/E6500

>>62067034
>t. retard

>>62067295
Jokes aside, it's built like a tank, you see this laptop,it's after 2.5 years of usage, still working with no complaints.
But is heavy if you're skinny or looking for something light, don't get it.

The real question is, why do you poor faggots keep complaining about other people's purchases?

>>62067504
>it's hard-pressed to find something under 2kg BESIDES Macbooks and Surfaces.

Is it?

My T460p is <2kg even with the extended battery, and it has a metal frame, dedicated graphics and quad core CPU.
Fairly sure most consumer laptops are a lighter.

Not that 3kg would be heavy either.
I used to carry >10kg of books to school. - people from my generation aren't such giant beta cucks.

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>>62059768
cause it just fuckin works even for me as a professional pentester. buy one, buy monitors, buy a dock, turn on filevault etc, virtualbox kali and another distro of choice and windows, high powered portable pentesting machine, my daily driver

>>62067683
Should have probably added the caveat of under '2 kg with decent specs'. There aren't many options available unless you're willing to spend $3k on a high-end Macbook or Surface. There are cheaper alternatives (e.g. MSI Phantom or Gigabyte Aero as mentioned), but normies would be pulled in by the 'official Windows/OS X laptop' brand than these weird hardware specialists with strange names.

When I was at school my backpack was around that weight too. The issue isn't really whether I CAN carry it as much as whether I WANT TO do so. One of the benefits of my old MBA was that it made everything so much easier to carry (sepecially when moving around after emptying my bag). Sure, I CAN lug a 10 kg laptop, but I'd certainly find it more pleasant if I skimmed off 80+% of the weight. As far as I'm aware, this is the same for most people. It's really a great misunderstanding to say that liking portability is because you're a "beta cuck".

>>62067868
>macshit
>work

Pick one.

>>62059837

because it's what's they like and they don't mind paying a few hundred more to get what they want. it's called being an adult.

>>62067926
>Should have probably added the caveat of under '2 kg with decent specs'. There aren't many options available unless you're willing to spend $3k on a high-end Macbook or Surface.

T470p with way better specs than either of those is under $1500.

>>62059949
>The computer doesn't need to BE good, it needs to LOOK good
and need to RUN fast
you wouldn't believe how people get nervous when facebook takes one more second to load

>>62061028
>Far less likelihood of picking up malware
not if you convince the herd to disable gatekeeper to install supercoolappeveryoneisusing.app

>>62066095
>alsa/wasapi/directsound
>vs coreaudio

>>62067930
sorry poorfag I picked both

>>62068151
"Many" doesn't imply there are none, but fair enough.

I personally managed to find a new MSI 7RD Stealth for ~$700, which was basically a godsend for my relatively small 'portable gamer' budget.

>>62068379
So in short: Macbook and Surface are shit options normies only buy because they were bombarded by Apple and Microsoft advertising making them believe it's the only two options.

>>62066876
its good to have one , an advantage over the "you only get 2 ports on your MBP"

>>62060142
chromebook with templeOS

>>62068132
it's called being an idiot.

>>62060105
i was actually going to give my counter arguments to your post but then i realized it's bait so here's a (You) for making me reply

>>62070600
This. Money comes from hard work, it's not given out for free. Spending it wisely is a top priority. $2,000 for an overheating piece of shit made obsolete in 2 years is not spending it wisely.

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>>62064310
Doesn't matter, it won't get any worse than the "joke" you tried to make

>>62068547
What are you even on about?

>>62059768
Because blockheads like you keep telling them to buy obscure laptops and then install Linux on them. They can't fucking do that. They want a machine that works. macOS just works.

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>>62072142
>fagOS
>works

Good joke.

>>62072152
Normies literally don't give a shit about these sorts of things. You are a power user. They are not, and they do not want to think about their computers.

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>>62072221
>normies don't give a shit if they lose all their photos, files, music, etc

The state of mactoddlerism.