/wt/ - Watch Thread

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Broken stuff came in today.

2nd for i hate myself

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>>62055272
Better shot of the seiko

nth for I really like watches

>>62055259
rolex fags BTFO

>>62055296
Lol i really thought i would return this watch right away but its actually by far the most accurate watch i have. Got super lucky I Suppose. If this watch had better lume i would probably replace the bracelet and just wear it all the time.

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>tfw you beat the shitposter to making a thread
christmas is saved

>>62055296
>implying it would even pass Rolex quality control
Still pretty impressive though.
>>62055309
You got the black one right?

>>62055403
No SS. I would never buy pvd anything.

>>62055377
The world needs more dials like the Eichi.

>>62055420
I mean black dial / bevel. I agree PVD is gross.

>>62055472
oh my apologies yeah. I don't even think they make a black model; ignore me i am retarded.

Are all Seiko quartz sweeping second hands the same size? Most internet searches come up with .20mm.

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what does wt think of the seiko monster? i like it but I've got 6.5inch wrists it'll probably look silly

>>62055634
>Seiko quartz sweeping second hands
I think you might be retarded

>>62055804
It's a mecaquartz, 5 hz. And besides, semantics are boring.

>>62055803
Depends on if you think you can handle the lug to lug measurement the most.

>>62055803
>6.5
too small
>monster
clusterfuck

Alright i am buying a daily beater/ dive watch for camping and swimming as well as possibly actually diving. I have been looking at two watches the WW194006 and the SBDC051. Can you guys give me pros and cons on each. I am leaning towards the Marathon; If anyone that can play devils advocate it would be greatly appreciated.

>>62055803
My wrist is just over 7 inches and a 40mm diver looks kind of silly on me. SKX is the exception as the lugs have so little overhand past the case.

>>62055900
Definitely the Marathon; just make sure that it's actually made to be serviced unlike some other military watches where they just chuck the thing once something goes wrong.

>>62055900
Out of curiosity, what makes those watches cost four times as much as the cheapo Makos/Rays or SKXes? Serious question, is it just a matter of fit and finish and a better movement, or what?

>>62055919
inb4 reeeee milspec watches aren't disposable reeeee

>>62055919
it is
>>62055947
they are made to a far higher standard and have significantly better movements.

>>62055804
So I assume you're not familiar with the fact that, even aside from mecaquartz (which is definitely sweep second quartz), Seiko has a number of other sweep second quartz moevemnts, including the 5s21, 5s42, and 9r65? Plus the dancing hands series like 8m25 if we're talking about chronos. Perhaps you should reconsider jumping into a conversation when you don't really know what you're talking about.

ok so what is the best everyday watch for 100gbp

>>62056086
Timex weekender or expedition.

Are there any good resources for watch repair for beginners? I'm kind of interested in restoring or ricing some cheap automatics but I'm a total pleb.

>>62056073
We've had a lot of aggressive idiots, right?

I am looking for a nice looking 80's digital lcd watch. Something like the Bulova Computron or Girard Perregaux Casquett, but affordable for a student on a minimal budget. Any sites where I can look or models to reccomend ? Budget is around 200 eurobux.

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>>62056456
Citizen Ana Digi Temp or the Seiko G757 series; be ready to pay a combined James Bond AND Metal Gear tax on the 757 though.

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Just arrived in the mail, verdict /wt/?

>>62056535
Hipster as fuck/10

>>62056535
Wish they werent so fucking expensive/10

>>62056535
I've wanted one of those for years but they always seemed way too expensive for what they are.

>>62056535
Meme/10

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>>62056532
Not really the sleek look that I am looking for. I am mainly looking for something that just shows the time and has that slick 80's look to it.
Pic related ticks all the boxes, but is just too expensive.

>>62056535
Know the kid making it. Not bad, but I don't think people won't buy it if it costs quite so much. Most people don't wear watches anymore, so it's kind of a lot of money to drop on a fad item. Really don't know if he'll figure out the manufacturing issues in a way that doesn't just involve selling his design to another company to manufacture. I hope it goes well for him.

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>>62055391

Omegas approach to bracelets is completely unacceptable.

The rest of the watch is on point. It's Rock solid, but the cheapness of steel links and clasp is obvious.

I had to take mine off the steel bracelet for fear that the scratches it was getting from regular wear would completely destroy the logo.

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tightened the indian poo in loo shitter. the band is unlike any i've ever seen and i don't think i can find one that will fit this watch, considering it's "vintage."

either way, for $20, it's working, it's pretty accurate, it's got day/date that works, and it has a sweeping second-hand. 8/10 would wait 20 days for delivery again.

>>62056631
was that in a bond film ? i remember roger moore wearing something like that ?

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>>62057704
movement

Should I get a Ray II? It would be my first diver.

>>62057731
Nah he wore a Pulsar P2 and various digital Seikos such as the G757-5020

>>62057763
if you don't mind the size, sure

>>62057763
yes

>>62057704
>and i don't think i can find one that will fit this watch, considering it's "vintage."
Why not? Just measure the lug distance and buy one acording to it, I bet it's 18mm.

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>>62057861
idk. it seems like it's got this extra piece that connects it to the case and it doesn't look like other bands could work with it.

>>62057898
One way to know, if you have other watches with the same lug measure, try swapping.

>>62057918
i've got another seiko 5 coming in the mail in the same size. i guess i'll find out soon enough. it doesn't seem like i'll be able to put anything other than chain, though.

Are there any places that just have a bunch of neat, low to mid end vintage watches to browse through and buy? Obviously there are watch boutiques dedicated to fifteen grand vintage Rolexes, but are there any shops that just stock a bunch of old, interesting crap like Poljots and Bulovas and the like?

Perhaps flea markets? Or antique stores?

>>62057980
eBay is really your only option if you want Slav watches and don't live in an ex Soviet country. If you want old Western watches them you could try your luck with flea markets, but obviously keep an eye out for the obvious fakes and hack jobs.

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Speaking of Russian watches, what the hell is up with all the ones with Masonic dials on eBay? I doubt freemasonry was something you really wanted to display in the mid century Soviet Union.

>>62058055
Watch equivalent of a tourist trap. People think it's cool or something

>>62055244
What type of watch is that? what watch IS that?

>>62058433
It's the ALS grand complication.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/in-depth-a-lange-sohne-grand-complication

>>62058433
>On /g/
>Doesn't know how to reverse image search

>>62058467
thats the boring way to find out

>>62058464
Thank you

>>62058350
gib

what's a reasonable price for a king seiko quartz
idk anything about vintage watches

>>62059054
$100, give or take depending on the specific reference and its condition.

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what's the best steel casio?

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What does /wt/ think?

>>62059555
nice as fuck, but big as a dinner plate

>>62057704
did you get it off evergreenwatches seller off ebay?

>>62059555
Quintessential nu-male.

>>62059458
You know the case is just shiny plastic, right?

>>62059577
not sure if you're making a joke or something, but no. it was from professional_indians.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/professional_indians?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2754

>>62059596
er cos when i type in vintage seiko 5 mostly shows this seller.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/evergreenwatches?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

and why would evergreenwatches be more of a 'joke' than 'professional indians'? lol anon

>>62059596
>India special seller
>India professional
Ebin

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>>62059596
>professional indians

>>62059620
lol i thought maybe that user was some kind of meme with a reputation of selling fakes or something.

>>62059636
>>62059642
i know lmao but it was the cheapest seiko 5 i could find on ebay and i wanted to test out the quality of a $20 automatic

>>62059575

Thanks, r/watches recommended it to me. I didn't realize it would be so large.

>>62059586

What's a nu-male?

>>62059657
how's the watch so far? may consider getting one wth for $20-25 why not

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>>62059667

>>62059667
Why do you hate Nomos so much man? I can understand not having a preference for them, but you go out of your damn way just to let people know.

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>>62059673
surprisingly great. i got it this morning, winded it to current time, and it's super accurate. the finish is surprisingly great for being "vintage." i put this is quotes because i'm not 100% sure it's genuine, but the movement and the bracelet says "seiko" and "made in japan." only problem i have is the size. 35mm may have been great in the 80s but it's a bit small compared to the norm. the only other problem is that since it's india you don't know exactly when you're getting it. I was lucky and *only* had to wait 18 days.

>>62059458
Get that in gold.

>>62059802
no

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>>62059721
ya i agree i'm just getting used to a 38mm not too sure how a 35mm will feel on my 6.5" wrist, anyways it looks good and very similar to the modern line up except for the bracelet but brother for $20 and a 18 days wait its not bad, got my eye set on this datejust homage as soon as i get some extra cash. let us seikofags know from time to time how the watch is.

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>>62059820
alright will do. i actually have another seiko by the same seller that SHOULD be coming in soon. what kind of sucks is that i bought this before the black faced one so i hope it's not going to be stuck in the void forever. if or when it comes i will definitely be posting about it.

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After months of working and saving I was able to purchase this beautiful Nomos Club Campus after thinking hard about my options. I bought it at the Tourneau in Fashion Valley and the guy who assisted me was very friendly and was clearly enthusiastic about watches and was very knowledgeable. This watch means much for me as it’s my first big purchase since I’m only 17 and was trying to find the best price around San Diego and finally found the one I wanted. Other brands I thought about were TAG Heuer, Oris, and Frederique Constant. All in all, I’m very happy with my purchase and this is the first of many watches to come, I hope.

>>62059902
this is the kind of thing youll be super proud of when you're older. dont mind all the nomos haters friend

>>62059932
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/6vfq4k/nomos_just_got_my_new_club_campus/
inb4 underageb&

>>62059959
>submitted one day ago
damn im really behind on the memes

>>62056631
That is 70s as fuck, not even remotely like an 80s digital.

>>62059992
Get them fresh before reverse image search does. Seriously, what is it with Nomos and numales/teens? Is it the marketing? Where are they marketing?

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>>62060117
Go to their website and the first image you see will answer your question, they know their audiences too fucking well.

>>62060117
More like Homos.

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>>62060117
>comes with a student discount

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>>62060117
ok so i get that they're overpriced, but is that the only problem you guys have with it? i bought pic related cause i liked the style but i wanted to pay less than $10 and i'm happy.

>>62060412
I don't like the dials. The size, thickness and in house movements are all pluses. Their design, nu-male/Reddit association and price are the only down sides.

>>62060412
I don't know, but god he has an unhealthy obsession with nu-males and cucks.

>>62060442
i've never been on reddit or seen anyone talk about these watches other than you, and i like vintage bauhaus design. why shouldn't i like this?

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>>62059902
drink up

>>62060477
>I like being a nu-male cuck while my (((significant other))) fucks Tavon

>>62060477
I'm not any of the people that have talked about those watches here today. I just chipped in. I also am not a fan of the lugs 2bh. The nu-male/Reddit thing is really just a meme here irl I don't think a single person will care.
In general I like the idea of Nomos they just haven't made anything that I like yet. I'm going to get a Max Bill as my next watch.

>>62060501
>I'm going to get a Max Bill as my next watch.
A cuck by any other name...

>>62060494
>>62060507
>I'm going to call EVERYONE who disagrees with me a liberal, hipser, nu-male, KEK!!!!!!!!

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>>62060507
I really like the Max Bill design. It's kind of got a dressy field watch vibe. Nice clean lines with no clutter. It's just an attractive dress watch. Don't really see how cucks come into it to tell the truth. And I know that it's the minimalist meme but this watch wouldn't even be considered minimalist by modern standards, way to many numbers and details.

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>tfw no Group B
>tfw no Renault 5 Turbo even if I got one the watch

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>>62060592
Should really take a new pic sometime, since I bought those 4 livery straps that come with the evoluzione.

wonder what gets hated on more in /wt/: daniel wellington or nomos?

>>62059902
UNDERAGE B&

>>62060859
Nomos is at least respectable in that they make their own movements. Of course you can argue that they're overpriced, or that the designs are too simple, or whatever.

There's no redeeming quality of a real DW.

>>62060885
This. There is also hope for Nomos but mine for DW.

>>62060885
Pretty much. Nomos may be simply recycling an uninspired and milquetoast design that's like 70 years old and has been done by other companies before them, but at least they actually make their own movements in house.
DW is total trash and there's no actual difference between a "real" one and an Aliexpress fake, unlike something like a Nomos vs a Rodina.

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>>62056631
I couldn't find anything else except for this one from a brand called Watchacy.
http://www.watchacy.com/helmled.html
They're apparently based in Spain, but I know nothing else about them and their social media profiles have been dead since 2015.
I also found another seller on eBay based in Spain that's selling some of their watches.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/brand-new-red-led-Drivers-watch-1970s-exclusive-limited-edition-cool-and-smart-/171236678834?hash=item27de805cb2:m:m-7E50IgYdSrGFclRO0m1rw
Kind of sketchy if you ask me, but you'd be fine as long as you use Paypal.

You can also find tons of LED watches from the 70s (80s is more about hard lines, thin cases, and LCDs) by just looking up "vintage led watch", but of course you won't find many driver styled watches in your price point.

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>>62056631
This is a cool watch, you really need to see the leds in person to appreciate them

>>62061079
GP, girard-perregaux ?

>>62061400
Great Pussy

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>>62061400
Ye

>>62060954
Is that a hand watch?

Which one of my slavographs do.you prefer?

>inb4 bitchwrists

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>>62061973
Fuck here's the pic

>>62061990
Cushion case best for chronos

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>>62056073
I love it how seikofags call spring drive MUH MECAHOROLOGICAL VIRTUE when it suits them and screech about how it's not quartz, and then in the next breath call it quartz when it suits their agenda

also, remember when seiko actually made thinner watches than the swiss? oh how times have changed, I guess they finally figured out that all their customers are plebs

>>62060507
I've been kind of down on max bills lately but if it triggers permavirgin mens rights "the SJWs are why I'm not a winner" types then my opinion of them has improved

>>62062073
too thick

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>>62062073
>complains about cherry picking terms when it fits
>precedes to cherry pick examples of watches to prove his point
Of course a 1000m diver is going to be bulky, I get you are retarded but please try a little. Pic related 11mm thin enough for you?

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>>62062073
I know, Swiss high depth dive watches are so much thinner!

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>>62062159
>millennial seikofags think that's thin
because of retards like you, seiko will continue producing disgusting hamburgers and leave the good looking watches to the swiss

this is how far you've fallen, seikofags

>>62062244
The difference is that Swiss dress watches actaully look like Swiss dress watches unlike this piece of shit >>62062159

inb4 it's not in house hurrrrr, kill yourself

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>>62062280

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>>62062261
>hand wound
Oh I didn't know you were still cherry picking Shit from the 60's. You also seem to think I'm a Seiko fag were all I'm doing is calling you out on your retarded bullshit. Here 2mm thin good enough? (SCVL001)
>>62062280
That was just a random watch from their current catalogue. Can't say I spent more than 10s looking for it.

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>>62062261
>>62062280
Or how about this in their current line up. 3.5mm thick, that thin or is it way too thick?
I'm not even a fan of Seiko but I'm not retarded enough to think all they make are thick watches.

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>>62062261
>>62062280
>Shitposting wildly while pretending a 36mm Datejust isn't 12mm thick
>Shitposting wildly while pretending not to understand what steel sport watches are
>Shitposting wildly while pretending the Seiko SARX is a dress watch.
(You)

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>>62062376
pathetic

>>62062261
>"omg muh thinn"
>three part case
These went extinct (apart from nu-male brands like Skagen) for a reason. Like having absolutely no WR, not even splashproof.

>>62062376
>is a watch that isn't made anymore good enough?
No
>I just spent 10 seconds
Spend another 100 years and you won't find shit
>>62062448
They made about 3 of those, and at 39mm it's a bit on the guido side don't you think?
>>62062460
Rolex doesn't pitch their sports watches as dress watches unlike Seiko which doesn't seem to grasp the fact that adults don't necessarily want a 12mm hamburger on their wrist unless they're at the beach

How thin is the AP extra super thin or w/e that's called. That's a sexy watch.

>>62062499
>hurr they don't make thin watches
>oh those thin watches they make? No they don't count
Jesus Christ you'reworse than the Seiko fanboys.

>>62062518
Even if you want to count a concept piece that doesn't actually exist outside Seiko boutiques, it's a spring drive (quartz)

inb4 hurrr it's not quartz this time even though it was 10 minutes ago, muh horological virtue

>>62062543
You seem to be arguing against points that no one here has actually made m8. That or points different people have made (so of course they might contradict each other).

>>62062556
He is retarded be nice to him it's his 10min mommy supervised computer time for the day.

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>>62062499
>Rolex doesn't pitch their sports watches as dress watches unlike Seiko
Source: My ass

>which doesn't seem to grasp the fact that adults don't necessarily want a 12mm hamburger on their wrist unless they're at the beach
Omega Aqua Terra: 13mm thick (pic related)
Rolex 36mm Oyster case: 12mm thick
Seiko Sarx015 case: 11mm thick
>MUH SEIKO IS A FAT HUMBURGER!!!
Kill yourself, shitposter.

>>62062556
See >>62056073
and quit samefagging

>>62062622
So you're arguing about the semantics of what counts as a quartz movement? It's not that big of a deal m8, just chill.

>>62062617
>MUH SEIKO IS A FAT HUMBURGER!!!
But I don't own any fat seikos, and none of those are dress watches except in the diseased minds of seiko fanbois

p.s. increasing the case diameter to Seaside Heights NJ tier dimensions doesn't make it "thinner", that's like fat chicks wearing platform heels and getting beehive hair to look less fat

>>62062634
I'm not sure anyone argued that the 11mm sarx was a dress watch m8.

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>>62062631
Chill? You're the one who needs to chill. I'm just trying to enjoy my 10 minutes of mommy supervised computer time as you said

>>62062651
I'm not the guy who made that post m8. You can tell because it doesn't have "m8" in it. You're talking to multiple people, just saiyan.

>>62062649
No I just said it was thin. Which 11mm is pretty thin, not the thinnest ever but for a hundred odd dollars it isn't bad at all.

/wat/ - Watch Autism Thread

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>>62062634
>Still pretending that anyone, anywhere, claims Seiko's angular steel sports watches are dress watches.
(You)

>>62062448
39 x 10.3.... you picked the wrong watch to make your valid point man

Alright a quartz movement has a couple of key parts, a battery, a stepper motor and the quartz. If it lacks these it's not a fucking quartz watch.
>quartz
Well that's obvious
>kinetic
Quartz it has all those
>solar
Quartz it has all those
>spring drive
..... not Quartz
Do the same for mechanical and the quartz watches won't meet the requirements and spring drive won't either.
It's almost like the spring drive movement is it's own unique thing just like the posters here who talk about it say it is. Who would have thought that the Seiko hater was a shitter that can't comprehend bow something can be it's own thing.

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>>62062683
Yeah, I mean, who would make a 39 x 11mm dress watch, anyway? :^)

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>>62062671

>>62062726
i was not arguing with you initially but both of those are way too fucking thick

>>62062727
What's this from?

>>62062726
you can forgive thickness on handmade watches because they offer far more and everything is perfect ; i really dont think production watches should be as thick

>>62062752
Some documentary with FP Journe, can't be assed to find it though.

>>62062745
Please take your argument up with Rolex, as it's they who decided to make the Cellini 39 x 11.

>>62062760
i was not arguing with you at all i just came into this thread. Both watches are thick however. Plenty of companies make thin hand winding dress watches especially at the price of the cellini or the credor. You would have to be pretty fucking mad to buy either of those watches to begin with.

>>62062759
its about independent watch makers

>>62062708
So a beta 21 isn't a quartz watch?

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>>62062726

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>>62056631
I have one of these; a modern led watch with sapphire and solid link bracelet. Battery is shit of course.

>>62062708
Sorry to rain on your parade but a quartz watch is literally a watch with timekeeping regulated by a quartz oscillator. So the spring drive is absolutely, unequivocally a quartz watch. But that's ok! Only a fucking retard thinks quartz movements are inherently somehow worse than a mechanical.

>>62062881
that's cool, w2c?

Can someone confirm for me that this is a fake?

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/knoxfield/watches/rolex-oyster-perpetual-datejust-with-18k-white-gold/1157736681

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>>62062826
Good taste.

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>>62063072
>300 bucks with diamonds on it
The fuck do you think genius?

>>62063072
>https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/knoxfield/watches/rolex-oyster-perpetual-datejust-with-18k-white-gold/1157736681

white gold
diamonds
rolex
300 dollars

you do the math buddy

>>62063088

I know. Couldn't help myself

>>62062991
G.Gerlach website, their ebay store, /f29/ is where I got mine though for an incredible deal.

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Restored another one of my pep-pep's watches, a kinda Bauhaus-ish, Breguet-hairspring Vostok 2209 from prob. late 60's/early 70's. This one sat in a drawer without a crystal for who knows how long, and some latex balloon or some shit melted on the right side of the dial. I'm lucky to have salvaged the dial as much as it is now. Also the seconds hand was fucked, I replaced it with one of similar looks from my radioactive tin of ancient watch hands.

It doesn't run like brand new, but it's acceptable. The brand-new crystal really helps with the dial though, like putting the Elephant Man in a tuxedo. I put it on a new chink strap made from some kind of leather (bonded maybe?), that imo with it's rustic appearance works well with this beat old watch.

Also it's insanely loud, I can hear it ticking in my Suzuki ricepaper shitbox at 90kp/h.

>>62065031
nice man. buddy has a soviet shitter that was once a pocket watch when the car stops at light the thing sounds like a cartoon bomb clock.

>>62062290
Nice ETA you got there FAGGOT

>>62062954
>So the spring drive is absolutely, unequivocally a quartz watch.
Not at all.
It's a quartz referenced watch.

• it can operate fully without a quartz crystal or electronic circuitry, it will just be not very accurate

• it has no battery or motors of any kind, the energy comes from the mainspring


It's a fully mechanical watch that is referenced against a quartz oscillator and slowed down mechanically, to increase it's accuracy.


>a quartz watch is literally a watch with timekeeping regulated by a quartz oscillator.
yeah, fuck off with the arbitrary definitions and show me a quartz watch that can work without a battery, a stepper motor and a quartz crystal.

>>62065746
> It can operate without a quartz crystal or circuitry
No? What on Earth do you mean by this? Would you say a traditional mechanical watch can operate without a hairspring?

>>62065746
You're a fucking retard. I won't even bother with most of your points because clearly you're too far gone to ever change your (completely wrong) stance.

>show me a quartz watch that can work without a battery, a stepper motor and a quartz crystal.
>battery
Quartz alarm clocks that plug into the wall.
>stepper motor
Luch's balance-driven design
>quartz crystal
Impossible by definition. I.E. you're dumb.

>>62065819
Yes it can, silly. You just have to flip the pallet fork with a tweezer 21600 times an hour. Praise Spring Drive, the ultimate mechanical Seiko!

>>62065852
> Luch's design
See also the accuquartz 224x, the beta 21, the longines ultra quartz

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>>62065878
Those too, but the Luch is more obtainable, there was even one anon here who inherited one. Also I brought up the most easily understandable example, a balance wheel and not some vibrating tuning fork dark magic.

>>62065991
Fair enough. I admit I still don't understand what in the world the ultra quartz is supposed to be doing.

>>62065819
>No? What on Earth do you mean by this?
This is where you're wrong, kiddo.

A spring drive can operate without a quartz crystal and electronic circuitry.
The glide wheel will keep spinning, the hands will keep advancing, the only thing that will not be functional will be the electromagnetic brake, that slows down the glide wheel and increases accuracy.

Educate yourself more on spring drive and don't just spout the "lel quartz" memes you're hearing.

>>62065852
>>quartz crystal
>Impossible by definition. I.E. you're dumb.
So you said that Spring drive is a combination of an alarm clock that plugs into the wall, a Luch and impossible to make.
Lots of dumb shit coming from a simple mind.

Repeat after me: SPRING DRIVE CAN OPERATE WITHOUT A QUARTZ CRYSTAL, LIKE AN ATOMIC WATCH CAN OPERATE WITHOUT AN ATOMIC REFERENCE SIGNAL.

That's why it's quartz referenced, not quartz.

>>62055391
omega is overpriced chink

>>62066115
Obviously bait at this point, I guess.

If you stop braking the glide wheel on a spring drive the mainspring will unwind over the course of a few seconds, something in the gear train will likely break from trying to turn the hands that quickly, and the watch will stop.

An atomic-synced quartz clock is not a good analogy here. A better analogy is a traditional mechanical watch without a hairspring (or perhaps without the balance wheel entirely). I don't know why you would think that there's something magical about a spring drive movement that controls how fast the mainspring unwinds other than the braking.

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I have a Tag Heur formula 1 from 2007. battery has been dead for a couple years.

It's model # CAH1110.BA0850

Is this a good watch? keep and pay the $100 for a battery change, or sell it and get something new?

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Help me with my decision /wt/
I´m torn between the SKX 007 and the Orient Mako II

>I need YOU to give your vote on the topic
>what would YOU chose

>>62066231
save more money

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>>62066231
how big are your wrists?

>>62066115
A quartz watch requires two things: the quartz oscillator (hence the name) and a source of electricity to vibrate the crystal and power the electronics that count those vibrations. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't know why you're stuck on these mental gymnastics to try and prove the spring drive isn't a quartz movement, it's certainly a novel and technologically fascinating one with a great deal in common with a mechanical one but still quartz.

>>62066176
>If you stop braking the glide wheel on a spring drive the mainspring will unwind over the course of a few seconds, something in the gear train will likely break from trying to turn the hands that quickly, and the watch will stop.
Not at all.
When you start winding a fully unwound spring drive, the circuitry takes some seconds to kick in. During those seconds you can see the seconds hand turning a bit faster (not insanely fast), the gear train is obviously fine and nothing breaks, and since the seconds hand is not advancing twice as fast (plus no energy is converted to electricity), the 60-hour power reserved is reduced by less than half, so you have a solid 30-hour reserve at worst case scenario. And not "a few seconds".

>>62066239
I have no watch atm and being the poor fuck of a student I wont be able to purchase an Omega anytime soon
>>62066287
on the thicker side

>>62066297
And a mechanical watch requires two things: a mainspring and a balance wheel, the spring drive has both.

If you will, a spring drive is 2 watches at one, a quartz and a mechanical that is referenced to the quartz.

You can't call a functioning mechanical movement that uses no battery, no capacitors, no motors and can function without a quartz crystal, just a "quartz". Especially when the connotation tih quartz came to be fully battery powered, step motor driven watch.

>>62066334
the gen 2 monster is the same price as the skx but has a better movement and lume.. although it looks like shit compared to skx. its a hard thing to recommend because the skx is really fucking nice and cheap but the movement is so fucking shit.

>>62066370
spring drive has a balance wheel?

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>>62055803
I have a 6.75" wrist, and my monster is my favourite watch.

The small dial, and small lug-lug, make it surprisingly wearable.

>>62066258
why is it called Formula 1 when the bezel looks like a tractor wheel?

>>62066370
It doesn't have a balance or escapement which are the vital timekeeping components of a mechanical watch.

>>62066370
the (((seiko))) male is found out and slinks back into its slimy hole

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>>62066231
P R O D I V E R

>>62058350
I like this watch. how much?

>>62056631
mido swissonic is a bit cheaper if you can find one

>>62059667

>r/watches recommended
fuckin' reddit.

>>62066529
3-5 grand

>>62059555
i like how the lugs are the same width as the wingspan of a 787 dream liner .. excellent taste

>>62061079
but why is it tilted down like that,,, ??

>>62066529
You can get speedy automatics anywhere from about 1,800 to 2,700.

>>62066571
retard

>>62066436
beats me. I got it as a gift 10 years ago. Have changed the battery 3-4 times since then. I really dont like how often it needs to be changed,

keep it or sell it?

>>62066571
TY>>62066632
and thank you

>>62066582
kek

>>62066642
I'd sell it

>>62066231
Mako is garbage. If you aren't considering the Ray, go SKX or save for a Turtle.

>>62066926
turtle looks retarded if you not wearing a wetsuit.

>>62066394
Yes, it's called glide wheel.

>>62066464
It has a glide wheel and brake. It's another implementation of an escapement, just like fusee and chain is. Would you call a fusee and chain watch not mechanical?
Are you restricting mechanicals just to those that use a swiss lever and hairspring?

>>62066500
Is it me, or did you get dumpstered again? See you at the next thread :^)

>>62067009
The glide wheel is not equivalent to the balance in a traditional mechanical watch. It doesn't regulate the timekeeping; the quartz crystal does.

>>62067009
https://youtu.be/h4HewbQrxo8

here you go buddy educate yourself

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>>62066370
>>62067009
>SD has a balance wheel
>"Why it's the glide wheel of course, silly!"
I hope you're baiting, otherwise you're a complete retard.

>>62066219
Or pay a few $ for the battery & change it yourself. It's not rocket science.

>>62066914
OK is it not a good watch? It's sporty.. but a little too much. and battery changes all cost $75-150.

I googled how to do them myself, but I need a tool, and specific grease, and then i can't check the pressure?

>>62066436
It's called Formula One to celebrate TAG's involvement in F1, they used to own a large chunk of McLaren I think.

>>62067009
Holy fuk its the delusional retard again. Enjoy not winning another argument against the entirety of wt again. I'm gonna go grab some popcorn I'll he right back.

>>62067009
A fusée is part of the power source, not the escapement, you fucking dipshit. The escapement can be fucking anything on a fusée design, from verge to Swiss lever to actual electronically braked mainspring.

>>62067113
>>62067130
>hairspring pulses and balance wheel regulates escape wheel
>quartz crystal pulses and brake and regulates glide wheel
Stop.

>>62066642
You must be getting shit batteries put in. My dad's had one for about 25 years and hasn't had that many battery changes.

You don't keep the chronograph constantly running do you?

Is watchshop a good website to order from?

>>62067127
This explains it pretty good, maybe it should be put in the next OP.

>>62067271
We don't support proprietary movement technologies here at /wt/.

>>62067251
Now you're just inventing stuff as you go along, retard. What you said makes zero sense and you know it, you sad pathetic autismo.

>>62067127
Whelp, that video seems to indicate that the glide wheel plus electromagnetic brake = balance wheel and hairspring analogy is actually pretty accurate. The quartz crystal functions only as a regulator for the rate of the glide wheel. Without the IC it would because roughly like a totally unadjusted and unregulated mechanical balance.

Never thought of it that way before. Neat.

>>62067491
*Behave like

>>62067375
Did I touch a nerve by being right? I'm sorry.

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>>62067491
>>62067499
>>62067500

>>62067597
Still not seeing an argument how the two escapements aren't synonymous of each other. Guess you don't have one.

Another thread shitted apart by the Chris-chan of /wt/. Good job.

>>62067491
>Without the IC it would because roughly like a totally unadjusted and unregulated mechanical balance.
Exactly. It's a mechanical piece that can function (even poorly) without quartz and the IC, but gets really accurate when it's referenced to it.

A quartz-referenced, mechanical watch.
Everything else is fanboyism, semantics, and swiss anal tears.

>>62067188
>not a single argument in this post
as expected

>>62066231
Spend 400€ on a modded SKX like TGV did.

>>62067597
>memeposting makes me right
keque

>>62067674
no it does not work it is a quartz referenced watch. you are fucking retarded

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>>62067831
(You)

>tfw trying to find a strap with the perfect fit
I always seem to be inbetween holes on nylon and leather and bracelets. Ordered a velcro strap for my turtle. Going to see how that fairs.

>>62067674
It is a freely spinning wheel that turns in one direction at the speed generated by the full force of the unwinding mainspring. the em regulates the speed of this wheel via a quartz oscillator. It in no way functions like a balance wheel and does not allow the watch to tell time without a quartz oscillator. if the mainspring is wound enough to allow the hand to turn than the em is functioning which is why you don't see the hands spin out of control even before the ic starts to function properly. jesus christ you can't just make shit up and keep repeating it to convince yourself you've won an argument.

>pay the extra three bucks for tracking for my NATO straps because they're coming from yurop
>"tracking is unavailable at this time"
>it's been unavailable for four days at this point

reee desu

>>62067674
Well, you could also describe it as an electromagnetic watch, if people wanted to engage in the semantics of limiting watch descriptions to the method used to meter out stored energy to timekeeping functions.

>>62067958
As usual, you are wrong about absolutely everything. The generation of the magnetic field that regulates the advancement of the hands occurs independently of the IC and quartz crystal. It would be entirely possible to replace the quartz crystal with some other method of regulating the rate of the glide wheel, in theory.

>>62067956
Perlon, but it looks like shit on anything that isn't vintage from the weave and being so thin.
Those fine steel mesh bands have unrestricted adjustments.
Most regular bracelets have microadjustments in the clasp after first removing links.

>>62067958
>this thing stopping the mainspring from unwinding is no way like this other thing stopping the mainspring from unwinding

>>62067956
get an oyster bracelet with microadjustment holes on the clasp, then

>>62067956
You can get a hole punch for leather. I got one to punch new belt holes, and it has worked great for watch straps as well. I haven't tried it on a NATO though. Also, you could try a perlon which should fit perfectly as long as the length is right.

>>62067958
>balance wheel not functional
>watch stops

>brake and quartz not functional
>watch stops

>balance wheel and pallet fork not present
>watch immediately unwinds

>brake and quartz not present
>watch immediately unwinds

>>62067268
They're alright, I got my G-Shock from them.

>>62068218
This is incorrect. A spring drive without the IC and quartz crystal would not immediately unwind, as it powers the electromagnet that slows the glide wheel independently of the IC and quartz crystal. A spring drive with the IC and quartz removed would not immediately unwind.

>>62068254
>brake not present
Read.

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Qualified watch repairer here, educated in the mechanics of all kinds of watch movement types, ask me anything.

You know what, I'll start:
>Is Spring Drive mechanical?
No. It's quartz.

>>62068295
You should have just said electromagnetic brake then, the quartz crystal and iC have nothing to do with whether or not the watch immediately unwinds.

@62067831
(you) have to try harder for those (you)'s

>>62068296
Will any regular watch shop do some minor modifications for me (apply paint to a chapter ring)?

Do all Seiko quartz watches take 0.2mm second hands? Do all Seiko quartz watches take 1.5mm hour hands and 0.9mm minute hands?

How much will it cost me to get these new hands installed and chapter ring repainted and installed?

>>62066617
Driver's watch.
It's a style.
Means you can see the time without tilting your wrist when your hands on the wheel are at 2 and 10.

>>62068079
I SAID IT WORKED SEPARATELY YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

>>62068116
one is mechanically regulated the other is regulated via quartz

>>62068079
it is separate as the first comment says. The quartz is regulating it unwinding that was the whole argument.you are fucking crazy

>>62068079
>mainspring is wound enough to allow the hand to turn than the em is functioning which is why you don't see the hands spin out of control even before the ic starts


can you read?

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>>62061990
I prefer the Sturmanskie case, but I was never that big on the VVS looking insignia on the dial. It'd look 100% better without.
Also, the Strela is the patrician's choice when it comes to Slav chronos.

>>62068296
What's the dumbest, and the craziest repair job someone's ask you to do?

>>62068305
Neither does the balance wheel.

>>62068341
No idea what others will or will not do, but the reason we won't do it is that it's a waste of man-hours on a job that pays pennies. The workday is 8 hours for us too.

Check the technical drawings released by Seiko, they specify the diameter of all the tubes, cannon-pinions and seconds pinions for a given movement..

No idea, a battery change times two or three.

>>62068461
Servicing/repairing their chink skeleton. I swore that from now on I'll deny working on these.

Also whenever some rube buys a worn out shitter from the fleamarket and wants me to get it running again for pennies.

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>>62068296
Which watch complication would you want to see that does not yet exist?

>>62068603
RTG powered electronic balance wheel.

>>62068464
>Neither does the balance wheel.
Whelp, I have to admit you are technically correct since only the pallet fork would be required to prevent the watch from immediately unwinding.

Nonetheless, my point was rather that the presence or absence of the IC and quartz would neither cause a spring drive watch to stop nor would it cause the watch to unwind all at once. The electromagnetic brake serves the roles of both the balance wheel and pallet fork, the ic and quartz play the part only of the regulator and microadjuster on a balance wheel.

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I hired an escort last night, booked her for one hour. We had sex for a half-hour, then just sat in bed and talked for around 3 hours. She was decently pretty, but she had the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen in my life, and was so sweet and very smart. Apparently she doesn't really do it that often, only sees a few guys who are regulars.

I never hire escorts or anything like that, but I had been in a dry spell this last year. I know I paid her money to see her, but she was so nice to talk to and we went wayyyy past the "appointment" time or whatever you would call it.

I just had to tell someone, can't tell anyone in my personal or professional life for obvious reasons, and I consider most you fuckers my friends in this thread, even though this is an anonymous image board.

Her fucking eyes are going to haunt me for the rest of my life guys.

I just got a nice and shiny SARB033.

How much horology cred do I have now?

>>62068296
>t. malaysia

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Starting to really like my $80 Chinese shitter. Did a basic water test today, this weekend I'll beat it up real good and see how it does.

The parts seem like parts from Steinhardt

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>>62068694
How does one go about changing the battery on a quartz diver anyways? Any extra precautions?

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Anyone want this shitty replica Rolex? Movement needs a bit of work. I really couldn't care less about it. If someone wants to mail me an envelope with shipping paid for I'll gladly send it your way.

>>62068663
Nice man, i'm happy for you. Sounds like you had a good time

>>62068726
Where from?
Just how shitty is it?

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>>62068726
I thought that you were putting that in your safe deposit box? Did you figure out that you got fucked or something?

>>62068663
wat

>>62068682
More than yesterday

>>62068654

electromagnetic brake is electromechanical not purely mechanical

>>62068726
you in us? if so ill take it

>>62068726
>>62068742
my mother bought it ten years ago in Rome for €150, it's actually not badly made. Solid end links, dial honestly looks real. I would say the quality is around SARB when it comes to the case.

Only real issue is the day wheel is offset a bit, don't have the caseback tools for rolex.

>>62068757
did you read the post? guy just had a nice time with someone and he wanted to tell his anon friends about it because he can't talk to irl friends

>>62068784
yessir, if you want to make a throwaway email and post here it ill send you my address

>>62068663
don't fall in love with a prostitute

>>62068812
>did you read the post?
Yes. Is it pasta? I haven't seen it before.

>>62068812
[email protected]

>>62068842
ok, ill send you an email when i get home later today, probably around 5PST

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>>62068663
The important thing is what watch you wore.
Tell us please.

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>>62068826
yea ik, scared of that also,
>prostitue

don't call her that

>>62068838
not pasta

>>62068895
i was going to wear my submariner 16610 but i left it in the car last second

>>62068875
whenver you get a change; thank you btw.

>>62068916
oh shit man you just need to have more confidence in yourself. Women are people too they are not some mythical creatures they have all the same feelings neurosis we do.

>>62068654
No, the quartz is also the hairspring.

>>62068296
>No. It's quartz.
I wouldn't let you touch even a Seiko 5 if this is indicative of your knowledge.

>>62068957
You may as well give up, he's not going to get it no matter how hard you try and explain it.

>>62068838
>shitposts summon ninefag
Fuck off

>>62068391
>one is mechanically regulated the other is regulated via quartz
Both are mechanically regulated. One with a balance wheel and a swiss lever escapement, the other with a glide wheel and an electromagnetic brake escapement (which has nothing to do with quartz).

One is not referenced to anything, the other is quartz referenced. That's it.

A spring drive is as quartz as a hybrid is electric

>>62068977
t. brainlet

>>62069002
the em brake has to be regulated via quartz! it does not function mechanically as a watch you mouth breathing retard.

>>62068419
>The quartz is regulating it unwinding that was the whole argument.you are fucking crazy
It's not "regulating" it. The quartz is just sampling it a dozen times per second and correcting it.

It's regulating, it's referencing.

>>62069002
also the em brake is ELECTROMECHANICAL NOT MECHANICAL

>>62069048
the watch does not accurately tell time without the quartz and ic. AND EVEN IF IT DID IT WOULD NOT BE A PURELY MECHANICAL WATCH.

>>62068977
>peasant screeching at Galilei

>>62069048
ohhhh its not regulating it.It is regullllllllllating it. Gotcha senpai.

>>62069033
But it does my friend. Notice when it first goes from an unwound spring to running the hand doesn't fly around at full speed as if there was nothing regulating it's speed? Notice how it goes a little bit faster than when the braking is reference to the quartz crystal? Notice how there isn't enough energy going to the quartz for it to function but the watch is still running given it is a little fast? You can remove the quartz and the watch still runs just a touch fast.

>>62068663
Hire her again faggot.

And ask her to cum in her eyes, you have to, if they're as pretty as you said.

>>62069105
Doesn't not does. The watch functions fully without the quartz, it just can't keep accurate time.

>>62069116
not into that sort of thing, one of my exs was actually, puts me off a bit. She's not a cheap hooker that deserves abuse

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>>62068916
>don't call her that
oh no, he fell for her already

>>62069149
But she exactly is a hooker that deserves abuse

>>62069105
the watch does not function as a watch without the quartz. the quartz is essential in the regulation of the em field which is braking the otherwise free spinning wheel. The EM brakes the wheel but at an unregulated rate. The em needs regulation so the entire system can function as a watch. After this lesson we can learn to breath in through our noses and out through our mouths you fucking immutable retard.

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>>62069081
>mall bettery nigger is Galileo

>>62069033
>the em brake has to be regulated via quartz! it does not function mechanically as a watch you mouth breathing retard.
What a dumb nigger!

Of course it functions mechanically. The energy to power it is produced by the mainspring and the brake functions just fine without intervention from the quartz crystal or the integrated circuit.

The quartz is there to increase accuracy by referencing the glide wheel many times per second against it, and correcting deviations by adjusting the brake.

Dumb cunt.

>>62069167
It runs it does not function. To function as a watch it has to be accurate to at least a hand full of seconds a day. Remove the quartz from the spring drive and the watch runs. Remove the quartz from any quartz, solar, kinetic watch and they will not run or function.
The break and generator can and do run independently of the quartz, the quartz section checks the hand speed and references the quartz then tells the break to break harder or softer to keep the right time. You can remove the entire quartz section and the watch still runs. If you really wanted you could probably design it so at the correct hand speed via the generator, it breaks correctly and if it runs faster it breaks more and if it runs slower it breaks less. This obviously is much harder to do other wise someone would have done it.

>>62068842
just sent you an email right now actually, with timestamp so you don't give out info to rando

>>62069067
>the watch does not accurately tell time without the quartz and ic.
So you agree that the watch functions without the quartz and ic just like a mechanical, but is not accurate enough?

That's what I'm saying. Quartz is used as a reference to increase accuracy in a functioning mechanical piece. Hence, quartz referenced mechanical watch.

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>>62069167
>which is braking the otherwise free spinning wheel.
>The EM brakes the wheel
??

>>62069149
So see her a few more times, become a regular, and then start asking for the kinky shit. Did you at least bareback her?

>>62069149
>She's not a cheap hooker that deserves abuse
But if she's an expensive hooker, you're paying for that abuse already, might as well deliver it.

>>62069225
the watch does not keep time without the quartz oscillator you are fucking retarded. Its not just a slight improvement in accuracy the thing does not work as a watch without it.


>>62069236
the Differing input voltage based on mainspring "charge' would make this almost impossible.

>>62069262

NO. The system can run and not spin itself into oblivion without regulation using an electromechanical not mechanical break. At this point it is not even a watch the quartz does not just increase accuracy it is essential. The quartz , ic, and electromagnetic break all function together in a system to replace a purely mechanical mode of regulation (e.g. a balance wheel).

>>62069050
A tuning fork movement is also electromechanical, does that make it a quartz too?

>>62069251
thank you

>>62069358
No it is electromechanically regulated as it it not quartz regulated. The third electromagnet regulated the other two not a quartz oscilator. at least in "true" tuning fork watches.

>>62069353
>the watch does not keep time without the quartz oscillator you are fucking retarded.
It keeps time, not very accurate time.
If that's your only argument I can start saying that almost no mechanical keeps time without correcting every month by referencing to a quartz (or atomic) clock, cause it deviates a couple of minutes.

>>62069181
At least I'm that, not a layman autist spouting nonsense.

I bet after all this autistic ranting you don't even own a Spring Drive.

>>62069353
Without the quartz it would still run for a bit longer than a day, it runs about 1.5-2 times as fast without the quartz working and stores 80 odd hours in the spring. It's not an explosive discharge like a broken mechanical watch and it isn't just straight up broken like a quartz if the quartz isn't functioning. The watch runs without the quartz just not accurately.
The fact the watch does run without the quartz kind of a very fucking strong point about it not being a quartz watch.

>>62069408
It does not make sense. The watch would not keep time over even a minute without the quartz and ic. so it by definition does not keep time or work as a watch. that is the end of the discussion. If you want to keep posting and think that you won this argument or you are right go ahead. I could care less.

>>62069433
> it runs about 1.5-2 times as fast without the quartz

that to you is watch? it is not working as a watch without the quartz. Of course it runs without regulation it has mechanical aspects. it however is regulated via a quartz oscillator. That makes it a quartz watch. Period. This is a fact there is nothing else to discuss. It is not even semantics it is period.

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I gotta fucking go you guys all have fun with this fucking retard.

>>62069466
You heard it here first kids, your radio atomic sync watch is actually an atomic clock, since it uses the atomic decay to regulate it's time keeping in the form of an external polled referent.

>>62069503
By your (completely retarded) logic a common quartz watch isn't a quartz watch either since the crystal doesn't directly drive the hands. It's a binary adder watch since the quartz crystal is only a reference to the 15bit binary adder IC, and I already have brain damage just by emulating your trainwreck of non-thought.

>>62069466
>gone from saying the watch doesn't run period without the quartz to saying it runs but not accurately like the fanboys say
Confirmed spring drive fanboy
>>62069503
What about my Casio that bluetooths to my cellphone to regulate it, is it cellphone regulated?!!!?!?!

>>62069466
>It however is regulated via a quartz oscillator. That makes it a quartz watch. Period. This is a fact there is nothing else to discuss. It is not even semantics it is period.
The fact that it's not controlled or driven by quartz, but referenced to it, is a strong point.

Also, it's very misleading to call it quartz, when all in-production quartzes use a battery (Which the spring drive doesn't), a stepper motor for the hands and function wheels (where the springdrive uses traditional wheels and gears), and can't run at all the moment you remove the battery or the crystal (while the springs drives can run with both removed).

>>62069550
Remove the quartz from that watch does it run at all? No and this is true of every quartz watch.
Remove the quartz from the spring drive does it run at all? Yes just not accurately.

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>>62069619
>Remove the quartz from that watch does it run at all?
>he doesn't know the demagnetizer trick
Confirmed layman.

>>62069616
>a stepper motor for the hands and function wheels
WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS ALREADY YOU FUCKING DENSE AUTISTIC RETARD!

I have a sundial in my back yard. Or should I call it a fission referenced planetary clock anon >>62069466?

How come people always start fighting here over trivial shit.
Who cares if it's a quartz, like a quartz or whatever.
Post your fuckin watch and fuck off

>>62069787
Same reason people argue with flat earthers, and no-planes theorists.

And yes, thinking SD is a mech and not a quartz is the same tier of retardation.

>>62069812
>And yes, thinking SD is a mech and not a quartz is the same tier of retardation.
Thinking it's one or the other is the same tier of retardation. It's neither but kind of both.

>>62069785
Fission, and the light from it is just for the display really, fission doesn't keep the time on a sundial. What's actually keeping the time is celestial motion, which continues even when sunlight is not visible.

>>62069836
No, you're wrong. All that matters is the timekeeping element (this isn't me making this up, this is basic textbook theory), and that's a quartz crystal.

Therefore it's quartz.