>Microsoft makes .Net framework Linux compatible >Micr

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>>62050606
Already did

>>62050606
I'm not sure what you mean by this OP. Linux is a kernel, it can't run any programs by itself. Did you mean GNU/Linux?

Also, are you aware that Microsoft SQL server is proprietary software and therefore an enemy of your freedom?

>>62050635
Microsoft SQL Server may be proprietary but .Net core is fully open source and is your friend. Microsoft is going to cause the year of the Linux desktop, and its going to be very soon.

https://github.com/dotnet/core

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>microsoft starts releasing proprietary software for linux
>retard linux fanboys eat it up
>eat it up until they're full and fat and addicted and dependent
>microsoft software becomes NECESSARY to linux users lives
>microsoft basically owns linux going forward

Embrace, Enhance, Extinguish... cmon idiots this strategy is like 30 years old by now

>>62050679
There is NOTHING wrong with using open source software provided by a major corporation.

>>62050606
>Microsoft turned Linux into an app
Just use the apps bro.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/opensuse-leap-42/9njvjts82tjx

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/ubuntu/9nblggh4msv6

>>62050692
Yup, if Microsoft fucks up, we just fork that shit and take it from their hands.

Why on earth would microsoft do that?
Seriously, what are they gaining by making their proprietary software open source and making it easier for people to switch to linux?

>>62050692
t. microsoft shill

>>62050724
>Microsoft creates easy to use apps that allow normies to get into linux and learn the basics
Why the hell would you guys be complaining about this?

>>62050743
Their targeting the Oracle java market share. They think that if they make C# as open and easy to use as possible then they can kill off Java.

>>62050748
>I call everyone I don't agree with a shill
There is nothing wrong with using open source software, even if its provided by MS.

>>62050755
And when then? Java is dead but C# is still open source... How could they abuse this?

>>62050743
Because they're shifting their cash cows (software licenses get cheaper and cheaper or get replaced by alternatives - even good FOSS ones). To keep up, they need to go the SaaS route too, that's where the real money is, just like Google and most other big software companies show.
Office365 seems to be exactly where it's headed and it seems to turn into a pretty big part of their income as businesses switch from single licenses to this.

>>62050755
>Microsoft creates easy to use apps that allow normies to get into linux and learn the basics
"Normies" won't touch CLI anyway.

WSL completely eliminated any need there may have been to use gahnoo+loonix

>>62050804
Wait, this is pretty good news, isn't it?

Could they still infringe on my freedom in any way (maybe by the power they gain) if I start using .net after it's open source or is the boycott over?

>>62050606
>and then linus will rip and we all kill

>>62050645
open source != free sw

>>62050635
You do realise the Linux kernel can run programs on its own, right? What do you think your GUI is? Hint: it's a program.
Now fuck off with your GNU/Linux bullshit.

>>62051261
What's the different between Free Software and Open Source?
I was baffled by this before when some people bashed OpenOffice

>>62050628
Distro?

>>62051384
>Filename
>Deepin
https://www.deepin.org/en/
Was that hard?

>>62051368
how autistic its users are

>>62051368
>What's the different between Free Software and Open Source?
Free Software means having a license that attempts to guarantee certain freedoms to anyone using the software itself or its derivatives. Open Source just means that you're allowed to look at the source code, basically. All Free Software is Open Source, but not all Open Source software is Free as in freedom.

>>62051368
they are basically the same thing. but free software means that the four sacred freedoms are guaranteed, so there is not room for your own interpretation

>>62050679
THIS
>tfw unironically installing 60TB of visual studio is mandatory for developing in the future

>>62051702
>installing software in the future
Wont be possible. In the upcoming years software will no longer be available for download, everything will be entirely web based with no option to install a local version.

>>62051416
>>62051384
That's actually Manjaro kek

>>62050943
.net standard, .net core, and the Roslyn compiler (among other things) are open source under the Apache and MIT licenses. If the worst happens, just fork it all and make your own .net platform with hookers and blackjack.

why the fuck would *I* use C#/.NET anyway? there are many alternatives, some much better (IMO) than Java and its clones.

>>62052074
It's a nice platform and a comfy language with a ton of community and excellent documentation. It's being very actively developed by good people and there are no sociopolitical arguments in the repos.

Reasons to not use C#:
>Windows only (solved with core)
>Closed source (solved with .net standard and Roslyn)
>Standard library polluted with old shit (solved by .net core and standard)
>No cross platform GUI (solved by "just use qt", Xamarin on the way)
>Bad workflow with modern tools (solved by visual studio support for Git, NPM, Bower and more)

Any more reasons to not use it?

>>62051739
>needing 128GB ram to run VS online

>>62051671
and how do Free Software Coders deal with the fact that somebody else in a suit will make money of their work without acknowledging them?

>>62052579
They wouldn't care unless somebody else in a suit won't show the source of their work.

>>62052579
What goes around comes around. If you use free software to make money, then whatever changes you make to the software in order to make it profitable will ALSO be free software. Unless you break the licensing terms in which case you can expect a very expensive lawsuit if you get caught.

>>62050606
don't forget:
>.net runs faster on linux than on windows

>>62052638
Ok, are there different names for soft that forces the modifications to be free software to and software you can modify and have the modifications be closed source?

>>62052273
No debugger.

>>62050798
Java is open source

>>62052615
but they wouldn't even ever know some suit used their work for their closed $$$ thing would they
isn't this widely practiced

>>62052638
>if you get caught.
how will this happen

>>62052669
For something to be Free Software, the license has to guarantee that it will STAY Free Software. BSD-style licenses that basically let you do whatever you want with the code(including making it closed source) are open source, but not free software.

>>62051739

this is what happens when you make the OS and applications free

>>62050679
I'm not a fanboy, Linux is my workhorse which helps me to make dosh.

>>62052741
>OS and applications free
I think you mean subscription based.

>>62052729
>claims to respect my freedom
>restricts my freedom to make money from it

>>62052767
restricts my freedom to restrict others' freedom

>>62052767
as far as I understand it, it is the freedom for users, not for businessmen

>>62052713
Comparing binaries, to my understanding, can give you a pretty good idea whether someone merely implemented similar functionality or straight-up copied the code.

>>62052767
Your freedom to make money from the software is NOT restricted. You're free to sell the software, sell support for it, sell versions that are tailored to your client, or find other ways to profit from it. The only thing you're not allowed to do is take away the freedom of others.

>>62052679
Visual Studio Code is licensed under MIT.

>>62052792
The users as in end users or developers? Because allowing developers to become businessmen by piggy backing off of each other's work to bring products to market would sooner create a utopia for workers than this strange commie false freedom bullshit.

>>62052822
>release your cross platform language
>write the only cross platform editor for it in javascript
as expected from pajeet-san

How long before Microsoft ports Windows Shell onto BSD kernel and make their own version of OS X?

I think they have been seriously nervous over devs moving over to OS X because of not being able to use Unix tools, and even Windows Subsystem for Linux doesn't go far enough to stem the developer mindshare loss.

>>62052820
Selling something that is free is fraud tho. "Free" software uses the very institutions it supposes to fight against to restrict my freedoms

>>62052841
Not an argument. VS Code is pretty nice.

>>62052871
>Selling something that is free is fraud tho.
Free as in freedom, not free as in beer. Being Free Software does not mean something has to be available free of charge. It just means that if you're a user of the said software, you have access to the source code and can view, modify or distribute it.

>>62052820
>sell versions that are tailored to your client
But what if CLIENT wants tailored version for him not to be disclosed?

>>62052871
People sell pocket calendars but calendar is free.
Does it mean that selling pocket calendars is fraud?

>>62052905
Then why don't they rewrite visual studio on top of electron?

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>>62050606
I hope they will bring their useful telemetry that helps to improve their products and our lives so much!
I mean, I love Linux but some of it's ways are too archaic.

>>62052916
If the particular calendars being sold are free then it's fraud

>>62052937
Gregorian calendar is free.
You must sue every pocket calendar seller for selling people Gregorian pocket calendars!

>>62052669
GNU Lesser General Public License, or LGPL, allow you to use (link against) code without needing to release your software as free software

>>62052916
>But what if CLIENT wants tailored version for him not to be disclosed?
Free software does NOT mean that the source code must be posted on github or whatever. It just means that the USER must have access to the source code. People who do not use the particular tailored version need not be granted access. You sell the tailored version to your client, you give them access to the source code. The licensing terms have thus been followed to the letter, and anything else that happens to the software or its source code can be subject to the terms of whatever contract you had.

>>62052972
Wish me luck

>>62052919
They're completely different products. Visual Studio is a 500 ton gorilla. Code is a dainty text editor with plugin support.

>>62052921
You're memeing, but that's actually the case. Linux suffers badly from poor direction.

>>62053103
No actually Visual Studio is a 32 bit legacy application that frequently crashes because it requires more than 4 gigs of ram.

>>62052985
Nice explanation, thanks.

>>62053144
Okay you're just being an asshole. I routinely load 25 kLOC solutions composed of a dozen or more projects and my memory usage never clears 2GB.

>>62053220
Naturally, because the real limit is 2G. The upper 2G are reserved for kernel space.

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>>62053232
Here (you) go fag.

>>62050606
microsoft made word and shit for android, does that count as "making it for linux"

>>62050679
>microsoft basically owns linux going forward
im waiting for the microsoft distro of choice desu

>>62050738
>>62050692
>everything on linux is opensource
ok, go for nvidia.

>>62053562
I never said everything on linux is opensource. I said Microsoft's Dot Net is open source and can be forked if needed.

>>62053144
yup, its codebase dates back to Visual Studio 98, when DEVENV IDE first appeared, with J++ and InterDev. VS.NET finished the migration from legacy MSDEV IDE.

>>62053232
not on WOW64, just patch the app with large-address-aware flag, and it gets access to the full 4GB, so long as it does not make assumptions to the signedness of pointer values

There's no reason to run Windows at all, fuck Micropajeet forever.

>>62050679
>implying Microsoft vs Redhat wouldn't be awesome to watch

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>micro
>soft

>>62050606
They only do that because their internals have to use linux and if they don't migrate something to linux their company will end like PlayStation or BlackBerry

>>62050755
>>Microsoft creates easy to use apps that allow normies to get into linux and learn the basics
>Why the hell would you guys be complaining about this?
I'm certainly not complaining, just wondering what the fuck's going on in Microsoft's head.

>>62055140
>their company will end like PlayStation or BlackBerry
Isn't PS4 the dominant 8th gen console?

>>62050628
the only task manager in linux that does not look like the first gui project some student did

>>62050606
>Why haven't you switched everything over to Linux yet /g/?
Oh, I have. Windows' various other issues aside, having to regularly play whack-a-mole with its security holes eventually ended up burning me out on it. Linux is way less annoying in this regard for me and also has other advantages I like (e.g., it's not nearly as inefficient).

>>62050606
>windows on a server
you'd have to be a retard to use a windows server

Can companies run an Active Directory Domain with domain wide group policy from a Linux server?

No?

Keep Walking.

>>62050606
.net sucks and is shitty

>>62050635
>Linux is a kernel, it can't run any programs by itself
Uh, yes it can you fucking retard. It's a fucking kernel after all, running programs is one of it's fucking jobs.

>>62050635
why not call it Linux/GNU? the kernel boots first so calling it GNU/Linux makes no sense

>>62054805
I like (you)

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>>62057759
>Botnet 101