What happened of the geek culture on /g/ ? For exemple, every

I only use Linux because some Ruby gems are Unix only.

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>>62014973
We have nugeeks now

>>62014973
"Geeks" don't want their OS to work OOB, play games, or watch Netflix? If you're a "geek", nothing should work and everything should be a pain in the ass? What the fuck are you really trying to say? You want to be a special snowflake pretend programmer? There are still plenty of those here

Most people here are now macfags who unironically think Gentoo is a meme

>>62014973

/g/ isn't /g/eek anymore but /g/aymur.

>>62014973
I think everything moved to IRC, but don't remember it's much easier to post on simple things like consumer electronics, what language to use, what distro to use.

this place is an imageboard not a scientific forum

>>62015062
geeks don't use Linux because it worked OOB, they use it because it give freedom on the user, so someone that want to make a fucking drone can use it for, the OOB has started to be a problem when peoples come to linux thinking it will be the new Windows

>>62015062
and that's why the most popular distro are now the ones that have the best desktop experience, and only that

like Linux Mint,trash tier for security

>>62015062
Pretty much this.

I work with stuff that doesn't work properly every day, so I just want my Linux to do every day tasks without any difficulties. I've been using Ubuntu for over ten years, and I don't see why that should bother anyone.

>>62015110
>geeks don't use Linux because it worked OOB
Sure, but you can't act like everyone doesn't enjoy when shit just werks™. You just want it to be difficult because you're a special fucking snowflake

>>62015166
peoples like u indeed bother me and I think u should stay on Windows

Why ? Because the linux community is now full with people like u that just want things to work, so they will accept everything as long as "it werks", the amazon ads on Ubuntu was a good exemple

and now this is the linux community

>>62015110
using a tiling window manager won't make you a hacker

>>62014973
Geek culture in the current year is anime.
There were regular ricing threads with anime desktops a while ago, I guess you missed it

>>62015211
>the linux community is now full with people like u that just want things to work
Yea, reasonable people. What is your fascination with making your life difficult for no reason other than making yourself feel special?

>>62015252
don't care about the desktop experience doesn't mean I want the life to be difficult, but this is the n1 subject on g after consumerist thread

>>62015211
>peoples like u indeed bother me and I think u should stay on Windows
"Staying" on Windows implies that I ever came from Windows in the first place (I didn't).

>so they will accept everything as long as "it werks", the amazon ads on Ubuntu was a good exemple
Except that's a false equivalency. Unity, in itself, when it first came along was a perfect example of something that just fucking didn't work perfectly out of the box. Neither did GNOME 3 when it first came, it would randomly segfault, you needed fucking extensions to do stuff like changing the date format in the clock, and extensions would break on every minor version change.

>and now this is the linux community
Seeing how I have actually submitted a patch to the Linux kernel, I'm pretty sure I have contributed more to the community than you have.

>>62015252
and you can critic the majority of a group without the need to be special

>>62014973
Go to /fglt/, containment thread for the elitist arch users.
Not everyone wants shit to break and wasting time on getting shit to work.

>>62015296
>Seeing how I have actually submitted a patch to the Linux kernel, I'm pretty sure I have contributed more to the community than you have.

the linux community isn't only the linux dev

>>62015320
see
>>62015274

>>62015329
Of course it isn't, but the Linux kernel is something the entire Linux community is using.

Anyway, anon's point is moot. I don't only use Linux because it works, I use it because it's the only thing that works, and not using it would mean not doing what I do for a living.

>>62015302
You still haven't said what you actually want. All you're doing is complaining that other people want things to work. It makes zero sense

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/g/ was never good

>>62015359
No, I said that theOOB memes is the n1 concern of the linux community
Tody u can't exept making a distro without taking the desktop experience like the most important concern, and peoples doesn't care about innovations

>>62015110
real "geeks" have well paying jobs and lives and don't have time to fuck around with shit like that. maybe you're thinking of "neets who think they're geeks".

the only real use for linux is web servers and embedded systems.

if you unironically use a gnu/linux desktop for personal use you're a fucking retard.

>>62015211
believe it or not, some people who switched for the privacy reasons do want things to just work

>>62015411
>I said that theOOB memes is the n1 concern of the linux community
That just isn't true, anon.

>Tody u can't exept making a distro without taking the desktop experience like the most important concern, and peoples doesn't care about innovations
I'm having a hard time deciphering what you mean here.

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>>62015388
>2008 was 8 years ago

>>62015411
and that's why the distro ecosystem is full of look-my-distro-has-better-menu-than-others clones

>>62014973
Considering what I use my day to day machine for its mostly browsing, listening to music and watching videos.

Why should I bother with some super specific shit for this? Sure I can use a custom distro when setting up a server but even then I'll go for shit that gets out of my way fast so I can do the actual thing I wanted to do with it.

In a work environment I mostly use linux because a lot of the software I need to use is written and optimized for linux and then I also just need something that gets out of my way to actually do some work.

Why is desktop ricing considered the epitome of tech geekdom around here? If you wanna feel good about your own output just contribute to some actual software or whatever. Make your own projects work.

>>62015431
linux has the same concern about privacy than Windows
u can have NSA backdoors and virus too

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>>62015451

>>62015476
That's true but it's still better than your own operating system spying on you

>>62015453
Don't use them. You said it yourself
>you can do what the fuck you want

>>62015466
>Why should I bother with some super specific shit for this?

I don't want u to do it, I just want you to leave/die/whatever but stop making desktop thread

>>62015499
How do you know your OS isn't spying on you? You know that various distros, such as Ubuntu, send crash data and telemetry to Canonical (unless you actively opt-out).

Also, Google pretty much being in control of network stack development should be a huge red flag. I mean, not in the sense that they would put in any backdoors, because that shit would be detected fast as fuck. But rather in the sense that they have full control over what goes into the kernel, what should be worked on and what should just be ignored.

>>62015506
I'm more concerned about the peoples that responsible of it that the distro itself

Macos - production, games, media, programming
Linux - privacy, programming, frugality
Windows - telemetry, games, no user control/respect

I use Linux on my private laptop, macos for my workhorse desktop

>>62015529
litteraly nothing protect Open source software about NSA/CIA infiltration

Maybe backdoors will be discovered but it will be too late

>>62015555
Wasted quads. I'm not talking about backdoors, read my fucking post. I'm talking about a large company being in total control of decision making for a large and important part of the kernel.

>>62015533
let it be clear, before Linux was a cool thing for elitist hackers, now it just a pathetic OS that tryed to be the n1 desktop OS, with pathetic distro ecosystem full of useless fork, no security advantage over other OS

Like someone said before Linux isn't for desktop

>unironically replying to an indian shitskin that can't even type and capitalize properly

>>62015585
>let it be clear, before Linux was a cool thing for elitist hackers
It never was like this.

>now it just a pathetic OS that tryed to be the n1 desktop OS
It has never properly tried to be a desktop OS either

>>62015566
but the Canonical spying isn't a concern because u are aware of it, just don't use Ubuntu

NSA spying is

>>62015599
I'm talking about Google, you illiterate cow. And I'm talking about the fucking kernel, not a distro of it.

Are you fucking incapable of understanding English?

>>62015598
>It never was like this.
it was
>It has never properly tried to be a desktop OS either

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

>>62015607
again you can block google, and u are aware of it

and NSA backdoors are in the kernel itself

>>62015629
No, that's not what I am talking about, you fucking mongoloid. Jesus Christ, you're either horrible in English or ridiculously stupid, or -- most likely -- both. Just fuck off, you're not even able to comprehend the issue I posted in >>62015529

>>62015615
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
>what's irony

>>62015652
u talk about Google and its control on the linux kernel devellopement

but it has nothing to do about security

>>62015028
>nugeeks
>nuggets
>tenders
>tendies
And thus it has come full circle.

>>62015663
>pretending that this isn't the main goal of Ubuntu

>>62015670
>u talk about Google and its control on the linux kernel devellopement
Yes.

>but it has nothing to do about security
Neither does privacy, so what is your point?

>>62015685
>pretending that Ubuntu developers actually unironically believe that they one day will dominate the desktop OS market

>>62015213
I don't see how "(barely related thing) doesn't make you a hacker" is ever a valid argument. Of course it doesn't make you a hacker, but noboby claimed anything like this.

>>62015062
>>62015252
Have you considered that maybe these people have fun in working on their borked meme OS, that it's basically a hobby for them? You can make the same point you made about anything remotely similar to a hobby or activity that involves mental or physical stress or costs something and has no return except for fun.

>any sports game
>What is your fascination with straining yourself for no reason other than making yourself feel special?

>going out
>Why would you want to get drunk and potentially destroy various parts of your body, and on top of that pay for doing it for no reason other than making yourself feel special?

>people ricing and tuning their car to the point where it looks ridiciulous and might explode any second
>"Ricers" don't want their vehicle to be safe, use it to go to work or get groceries? If you're a "ricer", nothing should work and everything should be a pain in the ass? You want to be a special snowflake pretend race car driver?

Different faggots enjoy different bullshit. It's a fairly simple concept.

>>62014973
I like the learning aspect of it
I'm always learning more about how my system works because I want to, not because I have to.

>>62015709
>>pretending that Ubuntu developers actually unironically believe that they one day will dominate the desktop OS market

I don't know if they are motivated but it's their goal officialy, and that's why Ubuntu become like this

>Neither does privacy, so what is your point?

one goal of security on IT system is privacy

>>62015712
>Different faggots enjoy different bullshit. It's a fairly simple concept.
Doesn't this apply to OP as well, not all of us want a shitty ricer OS, we just want something that allow us to do the actual work we do.

>>62015750
people do what they want to do, that doesn't mean they can't be judged or analysed

When I talk about the linux community becoming slowly a community of normie and desktop ricer, I am not wrong, if that doesn't bother you that's nice for u

>>62015740
>I don't know if they are motivated but it's their goal officialy, and that's why Ubuntu become like this
Ubuntu makes serious efforts into making a usable Linux desktop OS, yes. But they're not fucking delusional, they neither want to outcompete Windows nor other distros. They simply want to make a good Linux distro. That's their one and only goal.

>one goal of security on IT system is privacy
Are you somehow implying that corporate dominance over all network related development is not a potential security issue?

>>62015750
Yes, of course. OP merely asked why there are substantially less people who enjoy this kind of tinkering on this board now than there used to be, on top of screeching about normie invasions.

>>62015779
>Ubuntu makes serious efforts into making a usable Linux desktop OS, yes. But they're not fucking delusional, they neither want to outcompete Windows nor other distros. They simply want to make a good Linux distro. That's their one and only goal.

yes but for them, good distro = good desktop experience

>Are you somehow implying that corporate dominance over all network related development is not a potential security issue?

maybe, I don't care

>>62015775
>When I talk about the linux community becoming slowly a community of normie and desktop ricer, I am not wrong,
Except you are. More than 80% of /g/ use Windows and over 90% of any of the other boards use Windows. Linux desktop has less than 2% market share. It's never going to be a community of normies and desktop ricers, simply because these people use fucking Windows.

And no, as a long time Linux user, making it just fucking work doesn't bother me at all. I still have nightmares from times where a dist-upgrade would fuck over your installation entirely, where version bumping would mean that all of your configuration files were not only broken, but would mean that the new version actually crashed and burn, and where broken dependency handling could lead to situations where newly installed metapackages would declare used kernel-images as leaf dependencies and remove them on the next autoremove.

I don't want the Linux desktop experience to regress back to this, no matter how hard you want to feel like an elitist hacker.

>>62015806
Just because people enjoy tinkering with other things than they used to, doesn't mean that they don't enjoy tinkering though. My interpretation of OP's question is basically him ranting about the lack of desktop threads on /g/.

>>62015779
Unity should have been aborted then.

Ubuntu only wants to give Amazon data now, that's it. Stay the fuck away from it.

>>62015816
>maybe, I don't care
But you care about fictive NSA backdoors?

Get your priorities straight.

>>62015014
>ruby
>gems
Come again?

>>62015834
You must be living under a rock. Canonical has killed off Unity and future releases of Ubuntu will use GNOME 3 as default.

>>62015830
I didn't talk about number
you can share 2% of the maket and have 80% of normie and 20% of hacker/geek/hobyist

>>62015859
I don't know what world you live in, but 95% of people who use Linux do it because they work with Linux. It's a /g/ phenomenon that people without a fucking clue install Linux, basically because we tell them to.

>>62015846
>But you care about fictive NSA backdoors?
I don't care about that too, just telling people that opensource=security is a meme

>>62015871
well maybe I was wrong and was talking about /g/, that's the onlu linux related forum I read, maybe I need to leave it

So given that Canonical got backfucked by Amazon, is Linux Mint the new Ubuntu now? Is there any glaring issues with that?

As I've told you fags a million times, they all left with the desktop threads. You know, the thread about desktop customization and configuration of GNU/Linux. This board is literally a wasteland without it.

>>62015914
See >>62015858

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/

>>62015920
/g/ is objectively better without the desktop threads.

>>62015921
No you faggot, the problem is NOT the DE, it's the backdoors you shitter. Just because there is no link anymore on the default dock doesn't mean there isn't anything in there from amazon watching you. If Unity was the problem, you can literally fix it with a few package installs.

No, Ubuntu is perma-fucked by corporations. Another one lost.

>>62015920
this thread wasn't about customization, their was only screen of tiling WM with anime pic
I never seen any tips on it

>>62015932
No it isn't. Anyone with any knowledge of the OS is gone now. Try posting an actually advanced question in fglt and see how no one responds. I guess you just love a front page full of ATI IS FINISHED

>>62015955
what tell u that RedHat/SUSE don't do it ?
what tell you that a random dev on you community distro don't do it ?

>>62015967
People posted bash scripts and dot files all the time you fucking liar

>>62015977
I don't know if it was with the end of desktop thread but you're right of what /g/ becomes, do you know any other good board/forum ?

>>62015989
I don't touch RHEL, Suse or CentOS for home desktop use either. Again, commercialism.

The whole friggin point of a home linux distro is that it wasn't touched by fucking corporations. It'd be incredibly obvious if a community dev was a shill or inserting things into the distro allowing it to spy on users. Open Source lets you check for that.

>>62015995
lol no, only anime wallpaper with an horizontal bar with some text, litteraly 0 interest

>>62016003
No, this was the last one unfortunately. You can thank social media for that. You might be able to find a good irc channel though.

>>62016024
>Open Source lets you check for that.
yeah but maybe too late

>>62015955
>If Unity was the problem
It was.

>you can literally fix it with a few package installs.
You could, by removing the Amazon shopping lense.

>>62016033
Maybe for you, but what if I don't want a ThinkPad? There's no actual content in tpg. Shit I'm pretty sure csg actually violates the rules. I'm sure as fuck not interested in cpu gossip and gpu shitposting. Why can't we just remove every fucking thread? Where is the line drawn? Actual tech support/consumer review threads, that the sticky specifically disallows, never get deleted.

And there was tips in the thread. I literally installed GNU/Linux and learned to use it because of them.

>>62015977
>Anyone with any knowledge of the OS is gone now
That simply isn't true.

>Try posting an actually advanced question in fglt and see how no one responds.
/g/ was always like this, because generals are fucking useless.

>>62016104
i didn't say other thread wasn't shit, but desktop thread was shit for me

>>62016104
we need to have a /con/ for consumers threads

>>62014973
>Linux thread is about the out-of-the-box meme
but having a full-packed system is more productive. I used to like to tinker with my Slackware so that I have only those packages that I need but after awhile I just stopped to give a shit. Now I use openSUSE that has every package that I'll ever need already installed. It's addicting.
>normie exeptations like games or netflix
there is nothing non-geek in liking games and movies. I don't like anti-consumer non-free software like Steam on my GNU/Linux, though.
>What is good with Linux is that you can do what the fuck you want with it
Yep, I can have system that just werks and gets out of my way and you can be happy ricing your window manager. We both win.

In 5 years the most popular distro will be make by Google and will be a botnet with ads because the linux community will be full with "it just werks" peoples.

Oh wait it's already the case.

>>62015429
>you're a fucking retard.
Or you know how to use technology. MacOS isn't meant to be used by everybody faggot.

>>62017646
>MacOS isn't meant to be used by everybody faggot.

the price of macbook make your point valid

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10 years back desktop OSes were sexy if they used interesting new concepts
>multiple desktops
>expose style stuff, mouse gestures, hot corners
>keybind system/application search feature
>docks
>icons that dont look like shit
which was great for FOSS because you can quickly implement new concepts and just collect the best stuff into a distro, buggy or not it still felt cool to have this or that feature that 'micro$h4ft' didn't have or that you were denied for some stupid reason in OSX. i mean just look at pic related, it looks kinda ridiculous now but it was dope to look at and cool to have the free the freedom to use it if you wanted to

now everything's more mature and about polish & design and also a lot of cloud based shit that needs a lot of coordination behind it that linux devs just generally don't have.

it kinda sucks.

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>>62019734
thank god these times are over. UIs are actually nice to use now.

desu i dont see much difference in sophistication between 2010 ubuntu and 2017 ubuntu. i feel like linux design has gone from shit in the beginning reaching mediocre some 5-10 years ago and plateaued ever since.

it's all usable but it feels like some chink product that's pragmatically 'good enough' but in no way satisfying. it's like driving a dacia vs driving something that someone actually cared about conceptualising, designing and polishing

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>>62015830
>I still have nightmares from times where a dist-upgrade would fuck over your installation entirely, where version bumping would mean that all of your configuration files were not only broken, but would mean that the new version actually crashed and burn, and where broken dependency handling could lead to situations where newly installed metapackages would declare used kernel-images as leaf dependencies and remove them on the next autoremove.

>>62015712
This guy gets it. Distros like arch and gentoo become a hobby, and can be a lot of fun to work with.