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>>62013071
>i9s
Why did you add ""HEDT"" chips without solder to the list in the first place?

>>62013091
10c/20t is no joke. These are very powerful consumer CPUs.

Why is the Cosmos II even recommended its an absolute shit case for the price

>>62013129
It is very well reviewed. I am happy to add alternatives that are better for the price, if you have suggestions.

>>62013103
They would be, if they didn't throttle if you look at it funny.

>>62013071
Pentiums have good price/perf, whats the point of keeping i3 there?

Threadripper nigga

>>62013103
They are a complete disaster if you consider that you can buy a better performing 16 core for the same price.

>>62013238
Which is why I am considering having Threadripper in the last tier to replace the i9.

>>62013071
Your problem is Vega?
Where will youbuy rx480 for 180$?
Or,like,60% of the list is recommended retail price

>>62013276
Vega64 is not logical even at MSRP.

>>62013071
Yes to both changes.

>pure gaming stops at the i7
That's not the case anymore. Newer games are making use of more threads; eg PUBG just released a patch optimizing for CPUs with 6+ cores.

Be realistc with prices, they are inflated and from Very Good to Excellent tier prices are all fucked up, rx480 would be price/performance king but it literally costs as gtx1070,
On another hand gtx970 still beats rx480,580,gtx1060 .
Second thing is this new word:"productivity"!! I honestly think this is most poisinous marketing ploy that make Bulldozer tier HW release relevant.

Every AMD cpu has cheaper Intel alternative.
Stick stricly to gaymin, no matter if you play or not, it is still the purest way of measuring real HW power/ capacity, no matter what marketing departments want to push as new norm.

Games will always be most raw power/speed/what you may call it hungry consumer grade software, if it can run games good enough, its just up to optimisation of "productivity SW".
Stick to it and you will not fail in the long run.

>>62013334
But,my point is, nothing has real prices.
Did you check cheapest actually available HWprices .
Vega targets 1080ti in "productivity" and is actually competitive, gaming is an aftertought for Vega.

>>62013071
There's no reason to have the G4560 still on the lest when it goes for $100 on Newegg and $83 on Amazon. Replace the CPUs in the Minimum and Entry tiers with the AM4 Bristol Ridge APUs, they have better iGPU performance than Intels offerings and have a much better upgrade path.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G65B8012

>>62013071

Ugh logical increments visits this shithole 4chan site?

Lost a lot of respect for you bro.

>>62013408
>>62013439
You are both right. The mid-tier GPU's hyper-inflated prices are a major problem that I do not know how to present properly. Put street prices, and people might think these are the prices these cards are worth, which is the exact opposite of what I want. Put MSRP, and the prices are wrong.

I am hoping that ethereum difficulty goes up soon, so that prices go back down to MSRP. Until then, I will stick with MSRP pricing.

>>62013479
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11669/amd-releases-bristol-ridge-to-retail-am4-gets-apus
I am waiting for the reviewed CPUs to be available for sale, or for the available CPU to be reviewed.

>>62013520
>tfw you see this post and remember you were around when Logical Increments was just a picture posted here often rather than a website with funding
I've been here too long

>>62013762
I love /g/, for helping turn an image into a website. Without you, this would not have been possible.

Also, it has almost been 8 years.

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>>62013706
perhaps you could add a footer or disclaimer of some sort that states that component prices may be inflated due to current demand

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>>62013893
I did. We have a whole article about it.

>>62013916
oh snap i haven't been on the site in a while lmao

>>62013796
8 years, wow, I should do something.
>>62013071
why not $20 more bucks for the a8-7600 on the poor build?

>>62013916
Any updates for laptop's logicalincrement?

>>62014010
There is a guy working on it, but not me. I am currently rechecking all the CPU data and benches.

>>62014103
If so, then who manages the firefox one?
Cause we should revise it since webext will replace it in few months

I remember when the guide was just a picture and falcon was a poorfag.

>>62014309
Now it's a whole website, Falcon is still a fag though.

>>62014324
But at least he is not poor anymore.

Have any companies come to you and asked to feature their product?

>>62014365
Still somewhat poor by US standards, but middle class by Malaysian standards. Cannot really be poor for long, after all, I have been working for nearly a decade now.

>>62013071
>. I will not put the 1200 above the i3, but I can put it one tier below.
Why would you recommending a dead socket tho?
Even the new AM4 cheap 4 cores APU can replace g4560 with better option to upgrade, as an ex-poorfag builder I would get that one then upgrade the part slowly later.

>>62014385
I'm happy for you. I remember when you complained about prices and couldn't afford even low-mid tier hardware like 6 years ago.

>>62014376
We get offers from small companies on a weekly basis. Typically companies that make off-brand mice/keyboards etc. Big companies would not bother with us, as we are not Linus or MKBHD.

>>62014403
I will put the AM4 APUs when they are reviewed and available for purchase. This has not happened yet.

>>62014412
Thank you. Back then, I had to save for quite a while to afford a 560 Ti. Last year, I could afford a 1070! Hope everyone on /g/ also has the chance to get a decent job and decent pay.

I am afking for a few hours. Please give more feedback regarding the R3 1200, Threadripper and Vega64. I will check this thread once I get back.

Thank you, /g/.

>>62013071
I just wanted to say thanks, fag. I don't really need your site because I keep my eye on hardware all the time, but I send mouthbreathers to your site on a constant basis as it's the best place to get a baseline for a build


Also, I vote to swap both

>>62013071
Is the ugly NH-D15 really necessary to keep R7 overclocked cool?

>>62013071
>>62013364

it doesnt matter, the i7-7820x destroys the TR1900X in gaming and costs half as much and the mobo is 100 less

>>62014531
>ugly
Who cares how it looks, it's literally the best air cooler

>>62014483
Why do you need to wait for reviews? Even if they perform worse they're still going to be cheaper than the G4560 and G4600

>>62014546

correction not destroy but equals in gaming performance and half the price which makes it logical

>>62014562
because I have a windowed case

>>62013071
No. The pentium is still a decently powerful CPU.

And the TR... add it, don't swap it.

Also note, AMD struggles a bit in multi-tasking compared to intel. Intel's 10 core variant is 90% of AMD's 16 core variant in terms of multi tasking performance when not doing super heavy workloads (render a video + stream + fold@home at the same time would put them around the same spot for example).

>>62014623
What is this, 2005?

>>62014531
>ugly
I think you meant THICCC

>>62013071
seems about right m8, go for it

the 1200 is great overclocked, because zen is zen, but at stocks it doesnt beat the i3

>>62014676
>And the TR... add it, don't swap it.
I have two tiers with the high-end Intel stuff. I can swap one tier for Threadripper, but I cannot add a new tier for Threadripper.

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>>62014531
Not at all necessary

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>>62017271

>>62017271
This is the sort of stuff that will ruin diets.

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>>62013071
X370 Gaming K5 has B350-tier VRM.
There is a huge difference between the Gaming K5 and Gaming 5.

>>62017271
>horrizontally so it slops all over the finger roll
>not parallel to get maximum sausage to cheese ratio

>>62017364

based on your GPU hierarchy the 1030 is now more powerful than the GPU that came initially in the PS4 and based on 1030's list on the front page it only needs a 4560 or 4600 paired with it to perform well

is this serious? i already have a 4600 now, if i bought a 1030 i would be gaming at better than PS4 quality (which is already good enough for me desu)

>>62013408
>every AMD cpu has a cheaper Intel alternative
What did he mean by this?

>>62017453
>What did he mean by this?
Some bentium g450660004 meme or another.

The fact he opens by recommending the 970 shows just how inexperienced of a shitposter he is

>>62013364
>indie forever beta shit
Nah, thanks.

>>62017413
It has been so long that I cannot recall the exact details, but the PS4 (not the new pro) was not a graphically powerful machine. I think it was equal to a 7790.

>>62017453

the i5-6700k at 212 out performs every ryzen chip within 100 dollars of its price point in gaming

and the 7700k destroys all the R7s which are within or MORE expensive than its 300 price point

the i7 X mentioned before destroys the threadripper at just 580 dollars and only 200 for a mobo vs 1000 + 300, that CPU is also faster than the 7700k and has more cores and threads making it the best option

all AMD did, just like before is simply throw a bunch of threads and cores at people, just like they did 3 years ago when FX came out and how a fucking 4560 pentium out forms the autistic 8 cores in everything, including gaming


there's literally no reason to buy a ryzen, not even for normies,

the 1200 is still well over 100 dollars and has no GPU, which means you have to buy a GT 710 for another 40 dollars just to have the same performance as intel packs on every CPU

infact the 710 is LESS powerful than the 500 or 600 series IGPs because it cant play back higher resolutions at 60fps, only 30, the intel gpu's can

>>62014546
wait wait wait , the TR19X is 550$ , how the fuck is a 7820X HALF the price? and the mobos cost the same , a Z270 is 100$ less but X299 and 399 are basically the same price

>>62017581

its listed at 1000

they must have cut the price because they're scared, LMAO

>>62017581

>mobos cost the same

TR4 starts off at 330 dollars for the cheapest board

X299 starts off at 212

>>62017546
>the i5-6700k at 212 out performs every ryzen chip within 100 dollars of its price point in gaming
i5.... 6700k....
wat?
>you have to buy a GT 710 for another 40 dollars
if you pay 40$ for that crooked piece of shit because MUH I DONT BUY USED then you deserve to be ripped off
>the i7 X mentioned before destroys the threadripper at just 580 dollars and only 200 for a mobo vs 1000 + 300
so the I7 7820X at 580$ , wich is what , an 6 core? 8 core? competes w/ an SIXTEENCORE cpu at 1000$
yea it may be faster in games by a few% , but in literally everything else it gets torn to shreds , if you want dat single core perf , buy an i3 7350K and oc it to 5ghz

>>62017492
>Total war is an indie game

Op is this strictly for gaming? If so yes swap to r3 1200 but no change the hedt chip to a 8700k once available. The big Intel chips aren't better than the 7700 at games, although they are far far better for everything else.
CPU choice is intensely personal. Like I have cheap i5 and a 1080ti as i only play at 60hz 4k.
Best possible Vidya build is 1080ti, 7700k, fastest ram you can afford, and a nice raid array for game lib with SATA or pcie ssd for boot. Or all SATA SSD for everything if rich.

>>62017600
>>62017622
TR 1900X = 550$ 8c/16t
TR 1920X = 800$ 12c/24t
TR 1950X = 999$ 16c/32t

the cheapest X299 is literally trash and not reccomend at all
the proper ones are 270ish $ and up

>>62017679

>dont buy used

show me a used GPU that runs 4k at 60 fps for less than 40 dollars

and it has to be ebay not some local fucking garbage that you happened to find a 1080ti unboxed

>>62017724

what fucking part of the 1950 do you not understand

THE 8720X BEATS EVERY FUCKING AMD CPU IN SINGLE AND QUAD CORE TESTS

period.

>>62017771
does the GT 710 run 4k 60? fuck no
my point is that you get way better cards than a 710 for the same price
following cards perform way better than a GT710

-HD 6870 (20$)
-HD 7750 (15$)
-R9 270X (40$) (very good for 1080p medium , same perf as a RX 460/560)
-GTX 750 (35$)
-GTX 670 (40$)

>>62017546

>reddit spacing

Opinion discarded

>>62017787
>single core
HOLY SHIT HOW MUCH FASTER CAN I LOAD MY FIREFOX TABSS NOW? AMD IS FINISHED!

>>62017787
>QUAD CORE TESTS
This is new. What are quad core tests? Are there programs that can scale perfectly to 4 cores, but stop exactly at 4?

>>62017822
Probably slower since background tasks slow the quadcore down more.

>>62017827
Just some bullshit metric used by desperate shills

>>62017787
>single and quad core testes
yea then why a 7820x for quad core tests ? why not a 7700k? its a quadcore

>inb4 CSGO benchmarks
>muh 8/10/12c HEDT chip
>playing source games w/ a 3 thread limit
go buy a 7350K and stop talking about hardware you will never use/own/utilize fully

>>62017819

>fuck no
>meanwhile the celeron 3930 can run 4k 60 out of the box

how does this make you feel?

>>62017822

>OMG CAN I MINE BITCOINS AND ALSO LIVE TRANSCODE MY STREAM (but im not buying this CPU for gaming yet now im listing its game streaming along with gaming as a selling point) AND ALSO CONSTANTLY EDITING IN PHOTOSHOP AND VIDEO EDITING

>>62017886
It's funny because TR's pricing allows it for content creators to buy it, and it can run a game, record the game, encode a previous recording, upload another previous recording to YouTube and watch an even more previous recording back at the same time, at 50% cpu utilization. How good does your 8720X do in the same task?

>>62013071
>Th !e.FaLconO6
Sup Falcon. I have literally nothing to add to the thread but I really wanna thank you for all the effort you put on logical increments. Thank you
>he does it for free

>>62017929

you can buy 3 fucking 7700ks for the price of a TR and still better, stream and encode better on a 2nd dedicated PC and have a 3rd PC for your VPN, router, encryption or whatever else and all faster

>>62017998
>imagine the housefire

>>62017546
wew boi, you are delusional, 1200 is on par with an i5-6400 which is plenty for any $CURRENT_YEAR meme game.
igpus are for netbooks, fuck off this board child

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>>62017872
the celeron 3930 is a dual core cpu (2.9ghz too , pretty weak imo) ,
how is that running 4k 60hz? are you talking video games or video , because it WONT do both

>>62017982
Most welcome. It is due to /g/'s unfiltered and completely honest discussions that I can see the pros and cons of each choice, and try to pick the best.

It is just past 1am here, and I cannot stay awake any longer. Will check the thread in the morning for more comments, suggestions, criticisms.

Thank you, /g/.

>>62018055

video playback

meaning you could have a 4k resolution monitor at 60fps and it will support it

>>62018050

who is buying a 6400?

the 6700k at 200 is the only i5 worth while

otherwise the pentiums or i3's will compete with the R3s

>>62018075
>6700k
>i5
Well rightfully it should be an i5 with four measly corelets.

>>62018068
my i7 2600 could not manage 4k 60fps w/o the gpu having to lend a hand , so a sodding celeron wont do it either , also you are comparing a CPU to a GPU
what even is your point?

>>62018075
those who have a hundred dollars for cpus, dickhead, and its fucking enough, i have an overclocked 6600k and just put together an 1200 config with a 1060 for my friend and guess what, neither bottlenecks most games, and its a fucking 4 core for a hundred bucks, you cant deny that with that +5fps jewtel shittalk
And if it isnt gaming, its literally the same as the 6400

>>62013071
The changes in thread OP image look good. I would agree the Vega64 is a definite no. Wouldn't recommend higher core count on intel side beyond the i7 since you'll see less and less of the intel frequency advantage on all core boost the more of those cores you have, they just don't hit the same numbers. Not as much of a problem with AMD's architecture for high core counts. As is the 7820X is a faster 1800X, but with a higher price tag. Not as bad previous intel 8 core pricing, but beyond that it doesn't make sense. I'd would rather see a 1920X in place of the 7900X even. The platform advantages are also a serious consideration.

As this is supposed to be a basic guide for people who may not have a ton of experience, I would agree a little disclaimer should be present somewhere that tiers beyond Exceptional have very little to no benefit in pure gaming workloads.

>>62013408
>Stick stricly to gaymin, no matter if you play or not, it is still the purest way of measuring real HW power/ capacity, no matter what marketing departments want to push as new norm.

Just no. I feel shitty for getting a PC in April and not waiting for Ryzen 3. Everything costs almost twice the US pricing in my third world country, so I got the G5460 + RX 470 combo. Almost every autistic fuck benches Battlefield 1 on single player, multiplayer is literally unplayable because of G4560. Same for PUBG and Arma. i3 and Pentiums are obsolete (unless you can get a G4560 on its MSRP). Dual core CPUs need to die.

>>62018243
be happy you got the 470 in april , not now , youd pay 3 times as much

>>62013408
>the purest way of measuring real HW power/ capacity
>gaming
yeah sure. Pick one you fucking shill. Games are unoptimized and can't use their resources properly, because of pajeet programmers.

haven't seen a post so infuriating for a long time.