https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen ts/6ur78s/witcher_3_amd_

>>61989459
Spicy 1070 performance for the price of two 1070s now with the power consumption of 4 1060s.

Honestly if Intel wasn't doing fuck all for last 5 years Amd's CPU division would release an outdated turd too.

>>61989459
What am I supposed to be seeing here? They look slightly different but it's not at all clear to me which one is supposed to be "better".

>>61989459
>Pascal performance? Who needs Maxwell performance anyway? Vega is much better than Kepler after all!

Video games and related discussions belong in >>>/v/

>>61989459
It's 10% better than an OC'd 980TI, so about 15% better than a 1070?

>>61989459
Why is the mem (I'm assuming thats ram) on the vaga only 945mhz and over 3ghz on the 980, something fishy going on or am i misunderstanding it?

>>61989459
>gpu 1450 MHZ
Yeah sure.

>>61989607
Discussions about technology, even relating to how said technology performs on video games belongs on g. If you don't like the thread, fuck off, go post in mechanical keyboard general. That's certainly a thread that needs to be up every single fucking day.

>>61989459
Kill yourself.
>>61989639
Because it's OCed like crazy and housefire spammer is making yet another shitty thread as usual.

>>61989630
from what I've seen 980Ti rarely beats the 1070
well, maybe in power consumption

>>61989459
>Reddit
Please go back there, /v/ermin.

>>61989685
Is it system ram or graphics ram?

>>61989630
64 makes no sense to me. 15% faster than 56/1070 while costing more than the 30% faster than 1070 1080.

>>61989459
https://rbt.asia/g/search/text/ayymd/deleted/deleted/type/op/

40 deleted shitposts, impressive.

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>>61989459

Fucking stop with the "AMD is bankrupt" memes. Ryzen sold like hotcakes. They'll supply more budget to RTG and return with something decent with Navi architecture.

>>61989607
Programming and related discussion would belong on /prog/, but your board was deleted for being shit. Leave the site.

>>61989931
>Oooh spoopy memes maybe this will dig me out of the hole
You've been posting identical images, with identical filenames, attached to identical posts, for months. If you're seriously arguing that's more than one person you're in 1945 Führerbunker levels of denial.

>>61989569
The frame rate, retard.

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>>61989746
>They'll supply more budget to RTG and return with something decent with Navi architecture.

this time...

>>61989952
So the AMD one on the left is better? Why is OP saying AMD is bankrupt then?

>>61989968
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>>61989746
>unironic "waiting" meme
You do realize Vega was supposed to THE one to break this right? This was their chance to make putting off a purchase of a 1070/80 worth it. The fact it got delayed so much gave me confidence they weren't releasing until they had a winner. Then they release this turd.

Vega was a very new type of architecture and there probably is slightly more weight to saying Navi has more potential. But it doesn't change the fact that it's shitty Vega sucked so muich dick

>>61990074
Why is the Vega so bad if OP's screenshot shows that it's better?

>>61989710
Honestly sad it took literally 10 replies until the first person instructed the outsider to go back where he belongs.

>>61990104
>/prog/fugee calling others outsiders
Your containment board was deleted for a reason.

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>>61989977
The rx vega is better than a 980 ti from last year, by a small margin.

>>61990162
Is that a bad thing?

>>61990374
Generally, a company tries to compete with their competitor's current offerings, not ones from last year.

>>61989607
I don't think that there is anything wrong with gpu and shit but holy fuck the board is flooded with these shitty threads

>>61990415
Meh, the bigger issue with Vega is price. The 480 and 580 sold like hotcakes not even including miners. You don't need to compete in every segment, and if you try to do so with a smaller budget you get shitty memes like Vega.

AMD is a smaller company than either Intel or nVidia, and needs to split their resources to compete with both. That's what makes scalable Ryzen dies such a huge deal. They failed to do the same with Vega.

>>61990506
>Meh, the bigger issue with Vega is price.

That's what people are mad about. Vega is priced like something that can compete with current Nvidia products, only it's shit in that context, and you're better off with a 1070 or 1080.

>>61989459
This shouldn't be surprising. Maxwell isn't completely cucked with OC like Pascal is and so an OC 980ti gets the same firestrike score as a stock 1080.
Give me a BIOS editor for pascal and I'll push a 1070 past an OC 980ti but for now used 980ti's are a hot deal.
Got one with AIO cooling for $330 and it's sick.

>>61989459
That classifies as an OC 980ti? Mine does 1450mhz stock out of the box.

Granted mine is a classified model. Anyhow, good to know I'll still be sitting on my 980ti for another generation. 1180ti or 1280ti here I come.

>>61989459
EVERYBODY KNOWS AMD GRAPHICS CARDS HAVE BEEN SHIT SINCE THE SECOND GCN GENERATION, THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT.

>>61990415
Why didn't OP post a comparison with NVideas current GPU?

>>61990604
Because we've seen them, and it's shit. This just shows how bad it really is.

>>61990522
It's funny because the answer was in their CPU division. Multichip modules.

Put four 580s on a module, link them with Infinity Fabric, and render the screen in quarter title chunks. Do Crossfire in firmware so it presents to the OS as one GPU.

This would beat the 1080Ti, be as cheap as Vega, and you wouldn't need HBM gimmicks.

With any luck, I just described Navi.

>>61990162
>from last year
The 1080 is from last year, the 980 Ti is from 2015

>>61990672
you faggots are about to make me filter "pickle" of all fucking words, jesus

>>61990589

Keep in mind that stock clocks for a 980ti are 1000mhz, that being said, they all overclock extremely well, and almost all reach what yours does, mine hits 1500 stable

I'm still sticking with mine, probably might upgrade to an 1170 just to curb my need for an upgrade until 1280ti, that's even if I care for high powered gpus by that time

So how does it compare to its intended competition BESIDES power consumption because who fucking cares about a 1¢ increase on full load? It was supposed to be 1070 for cheaper, right?

>>61990629
Imagine the TDP of 4 580's on the same card. Now imagine the power delivery you would need, along with PCB size and how the heck would you fit it into a PCIe slot.

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>>61989459
>directly linking to plebbit
nu /g/ ladies and gents

>>61989549
>>61989549
>>61989549
>>61989549

Isn't the 980Ti equal to the 1070? These results make sense.

>>61992447
Oh wait never mind, I assumed it was Vega 56.

>>61992054
>actually spending all your time on 4chin
not all of us can be that autistic

>>61991827
triple
slot
cards

>>61990559
Yeah I upgraded a 980 to a 1080 and I think I liked my 980 better, GPUBoost is trash and Pascal has a locked BIOS so you can't do anything. A custom watercooled 980Ti or Fury X sounds more appealing to me. Too bad Vega is BIOS locked, fuck AMD. they probably did it so people couldn't make custom Vega's that could outperform the AIO Vega 64.

>>61991737
Vega 56 beats the 1070 in most games although no one knows how much it will cost with all the MSRP controversy. Vega 64 should theoretically match the 1080 but it's severely bottlenecked, vega 56 is matching a stock Vega 64 with just a memory overclock. AMD actually crippled the max power delivery on Vega 56 to keep it from completely cannibalizing 64.

>>61990629
>buy old 980tis (used, b stock, etc)
>use IF to link two chips
>$600 per card

>>61990629
How can RTG be successful with Infinity Fabrics and Navi while pretty much of the Crossfire performance is shitty?

>>61989459
huh, why is cpu colder on amd side?

>hairworks on
yeah, right, now do the same comparing 1080 and vega with hairworks on, I bet you'll see same numbers
hairworks benefits from more ALUs on nvidia side significantly, and 980ti got more ALUs than 1080

>>61995938
that's not how it will work

>>61989607
this

>>61989459
DELET

>>61996003
>and 980ti got more ALUs than 1080
why is that? more jewing?

>>61996456
Different uarch.
Maxwell is 512 ALUs per GPC, Pascal is 640 ALUs per GPC.
Nvidia goes wider while scaling up.

>>61996456
different class gpus
when 1080 came out, 980ti was exact 1080 performance
now it's magically 1070 ballpark

>>61996468
Only heavily OCed 980ti reaches 1080 performance.
It's ~1070 performance when stock.

>>61996477
hm, everyone was spamming 980ti vs 1080 benchmarks when pascal launched, maybe they were cherry picked

>>61996517
OCed 980ti reaches 1080 performance. But it gets bretty toasty.

just saw limited v64(silver case) 10% more expensive than 1080ti Lightning Z in local online store
this is beyond ridiculous

>>61996562
Supply & demand, anon.
Supply & demand.

>>61996572
well, there is no demand for vega in ruslands, I don't know why the they try to sell it for that much

>>61996588
No supply them.
A нa КУ пoчeм?

>>61996594
нa кy тoлькo FE зa тыщю
FE дeшeвлe чeм RX
peк. цeнa вpoдe 42к зa oбычнyю c пoнeдeльникa
хpeнли, 1080 gaming x+ cтoит 41к
дypдoм

>>61996594
>>61996637
Пoзвoльтe нaпoмнить, чтo ни oднa кapтa кpoмe 1050 Ti нe cтoит вaших дeнeг.

>>61996637
Boт этo aнaл-кapнaвaл. Hy энивeй пaджитy и дpyзьям eщe NGG пpикpyтить нaдo.

>>61996657
A пpoцы дopoжe гипepпeнькa и пoдaвнo нинyжны!

>>61996682
Ecли ты o g4600 (i3 6100), тo тaки дa.

>>61996690
t. нищyк

>>61996662
в любoм cлyчae o пoкyпкe мoжнo бyдeт дyмaть тoлькo кoгдa caпфиp пoдкaтит, тaм yжe пocмoтpим, дo oктябpя ycпeть бы, тaм кapaчyн oпять пpeдвидeтcя пo дoлapy
щac вoт мecяцa двa eщe ocтaлocь нopмaльнo жeлeзo кyпить пoтoм eщe хyжe бyдeт к зимe
мeня пoчeмy oт нвидии вopoтит никoгдa нe yгaдaeшь кoгдa oни coбepyтcя oпять вce пoмeнять и иcтopия c 770 пoвтopитcя

>>61996706
Caпфиp вceгдa мepтвeцки cлoyпoчeн.
Hy дyмaю к кoнцy ceнтябpя тpeхкpyтилятopнyю нитpy+ вывaлят.

>>61989690
A 980 Ti overclocked to ~1500MHz beats any 1070 100% of the time.

>>61996009
Well, enlighten me how they will pull it out when there is still no sign of those Vega FE/RX having the primitive shaders enabled and it has taken a few months for RTG to sort other functions, like high bandwidth cache thing, out?
Maybe interchip GPU communications can be magically done by other means, but you still need proper drivers to let the Navi card to "communicate" to the whole system and to work properly, right?

>>61997279
Can AMD make something like EMIB without the patent war with Intel happening?

>>61997279
do you know how crossfire/sli rendering works?
it simply sequencing frames from one gpu to the other
gpu are parallel calculators, synchronizing two separate chips is not that hard for pure compute, and that's how all the AI and other compute applications, it's already done
question is in interconnect bandwidth, IF can reach ALU to ALU latency within the chip but with two separate chips as demonstrated by ryzen, this is also why they push HBM this much to OC IF

nvidia preparing same thing, problem is they don't have IF so it might take them slightly longer

>>61997348
IF is the protocol.
We have no clue how wide the actual links for Navi will be.

>>61991827
they can underclock and undervolt, you braindead numpty

>>61992532
>actually defending this
/g/ is a strange place compared to the rest of 4chan

>>61997355
You don't even need high clocks when you have a LOT of ALUs. And MCM GPU implies a LOT, like, REALLY FUCKING LOT ALUs.

>>61997384
that's exactly what I'm saying

>>61989569
Vega has better framerate and much better frametimes.
And this is just using random drivers. Optimised ones may reach at least 50fps

>>61997445
>optimised
It's not about optimisation.
It's about enabling key uarch feature.

>>61997348
So it all boils down to whether game engines can make use of the "parallel computing" technique?

>>61997302
I don't think AMd and the rest of the vendors except Intel will need this. EMIB is more like a fab tech that compensates for the bad yield of smaller nodes and lowers the manufacturing costs. Others who adopt TSMC and GloFo/Samsung fab tech just don't give a fuck about that.

>>61997445
Erh, you forget that the comparison is against a 980Ti, which performs the same or slightly worse than a GTX1070.

>>61997483
>game engines can make use of the "parallel computing" technique?
anon, youtube got a ton of videos named "how graphics work" or "how gpus work"
go watch them

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looks about right
980ti still quite a card at 4k

>>61989639
ram speeds can be a bit memed since DDR came out. 945mhz is the base frequency for the AMD card while 3703 is 2x the base rate of the nvidia because DDR

>>61997483
EMIB is the substitute for silicon interposers, anon. And a cheap one.
We've yet to see it in action proper though.
>>61989639
Vega uses HBM2. The main design principles for HBM are low clocks and VERY wide buses.
It's GDDR backwards.

>>61989549
>Honestly if Intel wasn't doing fuck all for last 5 years Amd's CPU division would release an outdated turd too.
This.

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Why don't AMD just make a 4 chip card?

>>61989459

That bench shows 1080 getting, 49fps.

Shitty bench is shitty

>>61997602
Those cards had like what, millions of transistors vs billions now? They produced way less heat. I don't think it's feasible to just start putting multiple chips.

>>61997732
worked with zen

>>61997793
CPUs are very different to GPUs.

>>61989952

So screenshots for no reason then, shit thread.

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>>61989459
>amd barely beat maxwell

>>61989459
AMD is going to power all the sex robots, just like they do with all the consoles, so they're far from finished and bankrupt.

>>61997483
980ti actually performs the same or slightly better then 1070

>>61997602
because you'd have to ship it with a separate power supply

>>61998690
source?

>>61989790
This board is a hundred times more shit because it has threads like OP's.

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Another
Massive
DIsappointment

>>61998803
Intel has a brand to protect, so they obviously won't.

>>61997857
Follow the link, tardre

>>61989549
nope, cpu arch is not as easy as to develop a gpu arch.

>>61997602
>Why don't AMD just make a 4 chip card?
that's Navi.

>>61999558
It's not going to be *exactly* 4chip card.

>>61989459
>650€ card barely beats 300€ card
woah...

>>61999578
2 chip is also fine. 7nm 128cu behemoth. I want one.

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>>61989459
>the state of amdrones

>>61999696
SOPA?

>>61990099
>Why is the Vega so bad if OP's screenshot shows that it's better?

better by 5fps than fuckin 2,5 years old card.
whew lad, this new Vega(tm) new architecture is something, aint it?

>>61999653
>2 chip is also fine. 7nm 128cu behemoth. I want one.

better get those 2kW power supplies ready

>>61999836
>7nm
>half the power draw
>more shaders>more clocks
>thus lower clocks
350W tops. go shill elsewhere

>>61999836
You just clock the chiplets lower.
You don't need clocks when you're going Hidamari Sketch-wide.

Hopefully Vega will see similar improvement that Ryzen did with drivers and firmware in the next couple of months.

Although i feel skeptical about actually being able to buy one with miners.

>>61999820
Vega got launched of half finished alpha drivers. They haven't even implemented primitive shaders yet so Vega is still front end bottlenecked by the 4 triangles per clock limitation that Fiji had. With the drivers in this state Vega behaves like an overclocked Polaris.

That's why Vega 56 is 100% as fast as Vega 64 Air at the same clocks right now.

>>61999878
it will take a year for full performance. amd needs a bigger driver team. around december vega 11 will hit the market. maybe then 56 and 64 could be available for normal prices.

>>61999915
>>61999890
>Vega got launched of half finished alpha drivers.

So what you are trying to sell us that they were making a chip for 2 years at least from last big thing (Fury) and this was their biggest launch till 2019 and they coudnt even get the drivers ready for that?

Sure, this brings a lot of confidence that they will ever fix them.

>>61999915
Their driver team is much bigger than 3 years ago.
>>61999949
Vega was taped out somewhere in October 2016, anon.
You don't understand how GPU R&D cycle works, don't you?

>>61999867
>>61999871
>half the power draw
>more shaders>more clocks
>thus lower clocks

exacly what we heard 1 month ago, before Vega launch.

>>61999949
Just wait, by the time volta is out vega might have somehow working drivers by amd standard

>>61999977
What?
The fuck are you talking about?

>>61999949
they were nearly bankrupt. and gave it all to ryzen.
they fixed all of the gcn arch coming before vega. all of them performs great. you can look at rx480/580 launch. 7 months later it was %20 faster.
>>61999969
>Their driver team is much bigger than 3 years ago.
of course it is. it doesn't mean it is enough.
>>61999977
what do you mean?

>>61999969
>Vega was taped out somewhere in October 2016, anon.
So they had 10 months to make a drivers for Fury refresh and failed? Nice

>>62000017
>of course it is. it doesn't mean it is enough.
It's only *not enough* when you're launching three lineups at the same time.
>>62000018
>trying to force "Fiji refresh" meme
Not very smart, ain't you?

>>61999949
Vega's uarch changes require basically totally rewriting the driver stack, and there wasn't enough driver devs to get the pro drivers and gaming drivers done at the same time. The pro drivers are basically feature complete, as far as I know, but the gaming drivers are still way behind.

When Vega FE launched on June 28 the gaming drivers it shipped with were so fucking alpha state that the only new uarch feature implemented in it was the primitive discard accelerator, and that is carried over from Polaris. Not even DSBR and HBCC were working in Vega FE's launch gaming driver.

Hell, between the presentations about Vega in January and the white paper being released recently the effective triangle throughput rate from primitive shaders went UP from 11 triangles per clock to 17. This shows they were still developing features after January of this year!

Thankfully, they do seem to have primitive shaders working in an internal testing driver so it is coming sooner rather than too much later.

>>62000045
>It's only *not enough* when you're launching three lineups at the same time
they had to have foreseen this. they didn't prepare themselves. vega is a really great arch, but we can't use it from the get go. that's a big pain in the ass.

>>61999995
sure thing, just wait for Navi.

>>61999997
>>62000017
Vega was supposed to be "1080" for 499$.
Also on presentations it was supposed to be carring over Polaris improvements of perf/watt.
Now its a housefire with worst perf/watt since 290/390.
Where is perf/watt gain from new process?

>>62000088
>they had to have foreseen this.
You can hire only so much code monkeys with limited money.
>>62000101
>Vega was supposed to be "1080" for 499$.
It was never explicitly stated to be such.
>Where is perf/watt gain from new process?
Waiting for you with primshaders.

>>62000101
>Vega was supposed to be "1080" for 499$.
>Also on presentations it was supposed to be carring over Polaris improvements of perf/watt.
>Now its a housefire with worst perf/watt since 290/390.
>Where is perf/watt gain from new process?
are you reading the thread? at all?
>>62000118
>You can hire only so much code monkeys with limited money.
I know, but you cannot explain this to idiots.

>>62000118
>>Vega was supposed to be "1080" for 499$.
>It was never explicitly stated to be such.

It was. What was the purpose of those "blind tests" where people coudnt see a difference in blind test between 1080 and Vega64?
It was essentialy telling "why pay more for 1080 and Gsync if you can get SAME EXPERIENCE for less"

>>Where is perf/watt gain from new process?
>Waiting for you with primshaders.
so again wait(tm).

>>62000145
>>You can hire only so much code monkeys with limited money.
>I know, but you cannot explain this to idiots.
customer doesnt care about how much money you have or how many code monkeys.
You launch a product to market, its expected to work as good as it was designed.

>>62000180
>customer doesnt care about how much money you have or how many code monkeys.
Extremely loud /v/ monkeys can choke on my cock.
>It was. What was the purpose of those "blind tests" where people coudnt see a difference in blind test between 1080 and Vega64?
That was all they could show.

>>62000180
>customer doesnt care about how much money you have or how many code monkeys.
>You launch a product to market, its expected to work as good as it was designed.
where did I disagree with this? I spesificly said amd is having problems due to this situation.

>>61989459
even with shit gpuram speed it's better
nice

>>62000203
>>customer doesnt care about how much money you have or how many code monkeys.
>Extremely loud /v/ monkeys can choke on my cock.
except "/v/ monkeys" is where the money is.
Gaming is (and is predicted to be) still number 1 earner for graphic cards manufactures.
See this http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AMDA-1XAJD4/5023073131x0x953561/F850D328-4AEF-479F-B0B6-88703C81A28A/Rev_by_Mkt_Qtrly_Trend_Q218.pdf

>>62000327
>Gaming is (and is predicted to be) still number 1 earner for graphic cards manufactures.
For nVidia.
Radeon never made much money.
At all.
GPU division was always a HUGE moneysink for AMD.

>>62000345
>GPU division was always a HUGE moneysink for AMD.
and a lifeboat at the most dire times. thanks to apus, we still have amd.

>>62000416
>APUs
And we're talking discrete cards.
Nothing will stop RR from raping Intel.
But AMD will never have >50% discrete GPU marketshare.
Ever.

>>62000066
I bet some in the driver team were moonlighting and making mining drivers.

>>62000450
The blockchain driver is mostly about fixing the DAG problem (something that Pascal cards don't face, for example).

>>62000440
you said gpu division was a huge moneysink.
I said yes, but at the most dire times that divison saved amd's ass (thanks to consoles)
Never mentioned discrete cards, never mentioned gpu marketshare.

Maybe i'm overly optimistic, but hopefully with drivers being refined i can see Vega creeping slightly ahead of the 1050Ti.

Bit expensive for a budget performance card though.

>>62000502
>1050Ti.
nigga don't go full retard.

>>61989459
8gb ram is eno-

>>61990162
Without gaming drivers. So Vega is doing pretty good.

Not that it matters, Apple and coin miners bought up all the Vega stock anyway.

>>62000101
Correct. Even before the 1080 ti was released amd was marketing vega as a 1080 killer. And at msrp it (arguably) is depending on the game/drivers/fine wine. But in a world where the 1080 ti is a thing and miners pushed the price of gpu to previously un seen levels (happened in the last 5 months) it just isnt.

>>62000746
>amd was marketing vega as a 1080 killer.
Where did they even market it as such?

>>61992545
Dude are you me? I say the same thing multiple times a day on multiple forums.
I can't believe I found another rational human being.
Want to be friend?

>>62000774
>>amd was marketing vega as a 1080 killer.
>Where did they even market it as such?
Not a killer but equal : Blind tests vs 1080,
but "Poor Volta" might've sent a message it is Pascal killer.
And its not, especialy most of games are still DX11. Only thing with big lead is the only game on Vulkan that matters - Doom.

>inb4 gtfo with gayming to /v/
right, this is why its branded RX card and AMD marketed it as gaming card to now tell its not.

>>62001083
It's not a big lead given the die size.
But Vega10 is not working anyway for gaymen right now.

>>62000695
>Without gaming drivers
THIS meme again. amd KEKS said the same thing about the rx480 and when it got drivers NOTHING changed

>>62000502
>>62000066
>>61997445
FineWine is a meme.
3-4fps gain on average from Nov 2015 to July 2017.
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/30/amd_video_card_driver_performance_review_fine_wine/1

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>>62001279
This is not about finewine. This is not a matter of driver optimisations. Literally core features of the Vega uarch are not working yet in the Vega gaming drivers, features which are described in the Vega whitepaper and which can clearly be seen to be functional in the pro drivers.

This is the reason that Vega FE trades blows with a Quadro P6000 in pro 3D rendering applications like Creo, Solidworks and 3ds Max but in gaming is still struggling against the 1080. Pro drivers are no longer bottlenecked by 4 traingles per clock, while the gaming drivers still are.

>>62002809
>same shill
>same pasta
>same graph
kys

>>62002836
>actual GPU discussion is shilling
What did he mean by this.

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>>62002836
>trying to actually understand hows and whys of GPU performance makes you a shill
Maybe if you spent more time learning about how GPUs work, and less time shitposting, you'd actually be able to make a substantive argument?

It is well known that GCN had a strong tendency to front end bottleneck because it was limited to 4 triangles per clock, and that this was the primary performance limitation on Fiji. It's also obvious to anyone who understands anything about GPUs that any performance improvements to the rest of the rendering pipeline of Vega will be mostly hidden as long as Vega remains bottlenecked earlier in the graphics rendering pipeline than the other improvements are located.

Guess what? Vega's pro drivers have that front end bottleneck eliminated though primitive shaders--which increase the effective triangle throughput to up to 17 triangles per clock--and thus Vega shows what it's really capable of. The gaming drivers still don't have primitive shaders enabled, and so Vega performs like an overclocked Polaris in games and Vega 56 is as fast as Vega 64 at the same clocks.

>>61989569
right is a virgin walk, left is chad running. Do you want to be a virgin, or a chad? Go RX 64 if you're a chad. Simple.

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>>61989459
If you are going to bench test using fucking video games pick one that forces a struggle.
ARK SURVIVAL EVOLVED FTW

>>61989459
>BANKRUPT

Thats why they are still around and will be for many years to come.

>>62003244
AMD was supposed to be finished and bankrupt back in 2007, with Barcelona launch.
How did they even survive?
Really makes me think.

>>61989459
THANK YOU BASED MINERS

GAYMERS ARE FINISHED AND BANKRUPT

>>62002975
>trying to spin anything amd as the best ever isn't shilling
>no faults goy just wait

>>61999890
>Vega got launched of half finished alpha drivers.
Why did they do that? Isn't that kind of a shitty thing to do to their customers?

>>62003354
Not enough resources allocated to RTG to hire enough driver devs to get the pro drivers and gaming drivers ready fast enough while trying to launch Vega WX/SSG/MI25/FE/RX. Pro drivers got prioritised over gaming drivers.

>>62003354
Because the baseline performance is currently *enough* to warrant a launch of RX Vega.

>>62003354
>Why did they do that?
Their boss is a poo in loo.

>>62003396
>Pro drivers
What are those for? People doing CGI work? CAD stuff?

(I've got no dog in this GPU fight, my computer has an integrated intel GPU because that's all I need. I'm just trying to learn more about this stuff.)

>>62003263
Intel gives them money because good people do that.

>>62003439
Ya. RTG prioritised less volatile market over insanely volatile one.
A smart choice given the lack of resources current AMD has.

>>62003439
Yes. That's why Vega FE kicks ass at pro 3D rendering applications like Creo, Solidworks and 3ds Max. It literally trades blows with a $6,000 Quadro on non-certified launch drivers.

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FINISHED HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER BANKRUPT PHASED OUT OF EXISTENCE NOTHING LEFT ZERO SALES 4TH DIMENSION RAPTURE TESLA WAS WRONG GAYMERS CLOCK SPEEDS PLANK TIMES DAY OLD FISH NOT WORTH THE EATING LIGHTNING CARDS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY INTEL BASED GOD OF ELECTRONS HAS DONE IT AGAIN

>>62003507
whoa

>>61989672
So we can discuss anything technology related..???
Holy spirit fucking shit...
Now I realized that we can discuss anything here!

So, /g/uys, what meal you like most made by cooking technology (i.e. microwave, knives etc)? :^)

AYYYMD IS FUCKING FINISHED
https://twitter.com/JayzTwoCents/status/899321072960512000
>"I've been thinking about this AMD Vega price increase and the position they put us reviewers in... I no longer recommend Radeon", "I will no longer accept any Radeon product for review and will purchase my review samples"

>>62003650
Wow.
More clicks for cheap!

>>62003650
>Nvidia shill shitting on AMD for retarded and entirely fake reasons

What a surprise.

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>>61989459
KYS Brazilian shitposting

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>>61989459
Why not just link to the youtube video you stupid redditor.

>>62000018
Taped out does not mean hardware is being manufactured. It means the development side is finished and now it is time to make some test GPU's and see how they perform. Tweak up the clocks etc and THEN write drivers. This take months. Plus they prioritized FE Vega drivers over RX because they have limited resources. AMD's GPU division is tiny compared to Nvidia's.

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>>62000118
U WOT M8

>>62000746
Vega got very unlucky. If the 1080 Ti did not exist (AMD should have seen that one coming) and miners had not fucked everyone over since around April onwards Vega would be seen as a great launch regardless of lack of driver optimizations.

AMD keep getting fucked over by miners though. It was the same with the 290/x launch (I was there).

>>62001258
Except it did. It had a large performance boost during the months after release and after the GTX 1060 6GB launched it was nearly on par with that. But nobody bothered spamming that on /g/ because shills don't care about shit after launch. Heck when the RX 580 refresh came out there wasn't many posts about that either. Despite it matching and beating the 1060 in many cases as both drivers were updated and games began taking advantage of it's features.

But Nvidia shills gonna shill and ignore anything that shows AMD in a positive light.

>>62000000

>>62004537
Stop with this FineWine meme.
People tested it. its 2-4 fps increase on average from Nov 2015 to July 2017.
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/30/amd_video_card_driver_performance_review_fine_wine/1

Tested cards : RX480 and FuryX

>>62005505
Primitive shaders are still not working. Without them Vega only gets 4 triangles per clock, which cannot saturate the rest of the hardware.

>>62001279
>hardo cp
I'm not clicking this shit

>>62005973
Wait for secret features

>>62006171
Just Wait(TM) please
Please
Please
Please

>>62006171
>secret
Read the white paper: http://radeon.com/_downloads/vega-whitepaper-11.6.17.pdf

It's choking so hard. The Vega 56 clocked the same as the 64 achieve the same performance.

>>62006289
Yeah because they are equally shit lmao

>>62005973
Im not talking about Vega m8, but >>62004537 talks about 480/580 and it got 3fps by driver during 2 years

>>62006289
>just wait for secret features pls trust us
>vega superpower by 2020

>>62006085
your loss

What are we waiting for now?

>>62006396
Just Wait (tm) for Navi (c)

>>61999531
Bullshit

GPUs nowadays are way more complex than CPUs.

>>62006330
It felt like you were inferring Vega would get only 3fps boost. You're right tho fine wine isn't all that real. My 270x and 7850 hardly got any boost.

>>62006171
>>62006222
>>62006304
>>62006345
https://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en-us&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2F2017-08%2Fradeon-rx-vega-64-56-test%2F

>>61989459

it's just not fair

>>62001279
you know Finewine meme means better aging than the nvidia competitor not increasing performance in existing games?

>>62006473
Alt+0153™
Alt+0169©
Alt+169®

>>62006992
And also that a lot of fine wines don't age well.

>>62007009
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>>61989746
>justwait.jpg