Storage Wars

>>61987574
Nobody believes the flooding meme any more.

HDD prices always crater before a new generation. Expect semi affordable 10+TB spinning rust soon.

>>61987574
>External

Wake me up when internal drives are the same price

>>61987948
>open case
>extract the internal drive that was inside the case
>...?

>>61987948
Are you retarded? You can just open it up and take it out from inside.

>>61987574
Because computers and laptops are getting outdated. The world functions on tablets and mobile phones now. Not many households use a computer anymore... So less demand. The only people who really use a computer are offices

>>61987948
t. Ken M

>>61987982
>>61988004
Many of them are specifically designed so that you can't do that. Non-standard internal connections

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>>61988322
Many people report getting WD Red drives inside these

>>61987982
>do this
>receive shitty drive that didn't make the reliability cut for internal use

>>61987574
Cuz Seagate HDDs are worthless pile of shit that will potentially break in a matter of days.

>>61988409
What were the colors anyways?
I only remember green being the slowest ones

>>61987574
Generally prices drop in any market because supply is greater than demand.

>>61987615
>spinning rust
There is no iron, even less iron oxide, spinning around in modern or even fairly old hard drives. Unless you count the fasteners, I guess.

>>61988023
>t.normie.

>>61987982
the 8tb ones are reds but i wouldn't buy lower than that without knowing what is inside because you might get an archive drive with shingles.

>>61993015
so what are platters made of? what's the magnetized surface material?

>>61992927
Green- slow low power
blue- regular
black- consumer good
red- Nas drive
purple- Nas drive for camera use

>>61993213
Alumminum or sometimes glass

>>61992927
Going from memory...

Green - Slow / energy efficient
Red - Similar to green, but for NAS usage (up to 5 drives, I think)
Purple - surveillance / dvr usage
Blue - main stream
Black - Enthusiast
Gold - Enterprise (server / san / big NAS)

NAND drive still expensive. When can we get 10TB for $150?

>>61993236
but those are both nonmagnetic.

>>61987574
>using seagate's non-enterprise drives for backup

you deserve what you have coming to you

>>61993280
and that why you make platters out of them.

>>61993268
Never.

>>61988409
that has to be 2 drives

>buy "8tb" external drive
>they give you the option of raid 0 or 1
>no one in their right mind would use 0 so you pick 1
>space reduced to 4tb

i hate when they advertise it as the space of both internal drives combined

>>61993297
what is dual redundant raid with btrfs and data scrubbing?

>>61993321
>relying on raid because you know beforehand the drive you're buying is terrible

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>>61993306
but platter is magnetic to work

>>61993246
>>61993218
Wow thanks guys

>>61993313
It's one drive, one of there new helium filled Red NAS drives.

>>61993348
damn i stand corrected.... noice

Their days are numbered. What year do people predict flash drives to be cheaper than HDD?

>>61993339
No but the "spinning rust" on it is.

>>61993369
it will take a long ass time before the largest HDD available to consumers and the equilvalent-in-size SDD available will be the same price

How much is a 10TB SSD? How much is a 10TB HDD?

>>61993389
also inb4 hurr durr who needs that much storage

>>61993389
SSD's are still like 40-50 cents/GiB, right? I expect about another 10 years to drop them to about 10-20 cents/GiB, that is assuming a revolutionary breakthrough doesn't happen between now and then.

>>61993369
With the current NAND shortage, I'll be another 10 years if ever. HDDs still have the advantage that is a simpler technology that is still easier to make.
NAND can only hope to beat HDD trough shear volume and economy of scale.

>>61993409
this, i'd rather have spinning rust, tbqhf

cheaper to replace too even if it fails more often than ssd

>>61993280
they use cobalt, which is magnetic.

>>61993339
i'm pretty sure the "bits" are magnetic not the platter itself

and air/moisture can't get to the bits so they're not gonna fucking rust

>>61993465
the platters are generally aluminum or glass with a thin cobalt alloy coating which is the magnetic element.

>>61993409
I also forgot to mention that with the way NAND is evolving nearly every single day, current fabs are always switching up tooling for different types (think the 2D to 3D VNAND switch causing the current shortage). The only way to get volume up is to stick to a single nand format or open up more fabs.

>>61987574
yuge supply im gonna be buying drives like crazy

>>61987574

> Seagate.

are they going out of business?
wtf is up with those prices?

>>61993584
they bought out a good company and in implementing their tech can put out good stuff for cheap.

>>61987574
>seagate
crazy

>>61987982
>>61988004
Don't get the short external drives then.

>>61993584
WD's prices have been crazy as well

Hard drive prices are at the whim of the massive data centers. Whenever the NSA or walmart or whatever puts in a 30 million dollar order for hard drives, prices go up as production goes towards the botnet.
However, when the order is fufilled and there are no major corporate or government orders above usual, then prices go down as the massive production that they have is now sitting around, so they try and increase sales in the consumer market to compensate.
(Interesting how it's the NSA Utah data centre that was being build at the time of the 'hard drive floods'. Protip: It's the NSA's massive order of hard drives that spiked the price up, not the floods).

>>61987574
thats a great fucking price
internal 2tb is going for close to $70

Does the seagate=bad meme still apply?

>>61997492
No.
Their latest drives are more reliable than WD's.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/

>>61987574
>>He buys Seagate drives to *keep* data

>>61987588
/thread

>>61992927
Green (shit, and WD's merging it with Blue so beware) > Blue (alright on a budget as long as you don't pick something that was previously a Green) > Black (tanks) <> Red (NAS stuff) <> Purple (CCTV systems) > Gold (better binned Reds)

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>>61987574
Fake news

>>61987574
I CANT FUCKING ORDER FROM BESTFUCKUSA

FUCKING CHRIST THEY JUST DONT WANT MONEY.

AMAZON BETTER PRICE MATCH THIS SHIT ASAP


I NEED FUCKIGN MORE SPACE I AM RUNNING LOW HERE.

>>61993218
>>61993246
>>61997681
>>61993342
Green had been combined with blue. Look at the Blue spec sheet first. Almost all of them are 5400rpm now.

>>61993313
>>61988409
Just bought and shucked one of these last night, can confirm it's a single 8TB Red drive.

Is there any data on long term server use of a shucked red? People were buying then by the pallet and WD just kept selling them so I'm worried they've been binned.

>>61987588
About time

>>61987574
Could be the "Back to School" season. the upcoming possibility of saving new files for school purposes makes storage devices loss-leaders (if I am using that term correctly) or induce heavy discounts for items that no doubt sit around unsold most of the time.

>>61999564
It's just a normal WD red, I doubt they could actually "bin" HDs like they would silicon, WD Red is probably only used in these external drives because its the only 6+ TB HD that isn't enterprise and they don't want to bother redesigning a drive just for external use.

Noticed a 4tb Seagate external going for around the same price as the 2tb one I bought earlier in the year. Feeling pretty pissed tbqh. SSD prices seem to have dropped slightly too

Is the 4TB Seagate any good? There are so many reviews about it failing after warranty.

>>61993268
Today NAND 3D 64 layer begins cheap to manufacture but companies need pay R&D,cost infrastructure,expensive controller and gets nice profit.

>>61987574
They have not plumeted.
Don't confuse external drive manufacturers that want to dump all their stock for a plumet in bulk HDD prices

So is that 8TB WD red external reliable?
I need more space for anime.

>>61995588
/thread

>>61987982
Buying an internal is cheaper you fucking retard

This is just manufacturers dumping stock. Nobody buys 4 TB drives any more at least not at the retarded prices they were selling them at 2 years ago.

And trust me those are the same drives from two years ago.

>>62004484
How much is an 8GB drive?

>>61993465
Older drives used iron oxide as the magnetic element.

SPINNING
RUST

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>>62004484
>>62004510

Currently, quite a lot more for the drive in >>61988409.

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>>61987574
Because HDD manufacturers are afraid of losing customers to the SSD manufacturers.

>>62006401
cHaDD

>>62006401
>just one arm
>bb.com
pls go and stay go

>>61993321
>btrfs
btrfs STILL dosent support raid5/6

>>61998696
How to into reading:
>(shit, and WD's merging it with Blue so beware)

>>61988409
out of stock or expensive everywhere

>>62004510
>8gb

>>61997765
>EUR

this is a US thread

fuck off

>>62009394
>this is a US thread

My mistake, i didn't know this was the 3rd worlders safe space, see ya.

>>61988023
Storage needs are growing more than ever. All the normies using phones and tablets are using cloud storage.

And enterprises that provide cloud storage have shiploads of HDDs.

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Just bought one of OPs to stockpile porn. What the best way of streaming for this discretely? Do you guys have media server setups?

>>62010144
>MS Excel
>Not iWork Numbers

Even as a computer you are a pleb

>>61987948
lol

>>62007974
why raid 5 for 2 disks?

What are the advantages of HGST's He drives?

Does the helium increase reliability?

>>61987574
It's a globalist conspiracy to make people download more pornography.

>>61993218
Actual feature set:

Green has intellispin. Fucking sucks. Disable the 8 second spin-down bitch after it arrives in the mail.
Does not support TLER and may temporarily halt under error in HDD arrays

Blue is no fuckery version of the green.
Does not support TLER as well.

Black has TLER and they binned them better as well

Reds are a better bin with TLER and as I understand they have vibration dampening for large arrays.

Purples are somehow optimized for 24/7 usage, mostly write workloads.
Not sure about TLER, most likely they have it.

>>62010367
Funny, i overpaid for a Black one which is supposed to be better, it died after 6 months.
It's the only hard drive i've owned that has died in under 3 years.
It proves how black is bad for everything.

>>61987588
Fucking finally.

>>61987574
Here in Canadia $79.99 is 1TB

>>62010595
No one cares about 3rd world countries

>>61987574
>79.99 burger coupons
>4TB
Fuck you americunts

>>61993313
Nope, quite a few are just 1 x 8 TB drive now-a-days.

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>>62010659
Feels Good

>>62010420
Why does it matter if it dies within warranty?

>>61997681
Purple were utter shit until recently. Same specs as Greens but without parking. Now they merged Purple NV into regular purples and they're alright. Would rather just buy Red Pro or Ironwolf

>>62010795
They said it was my fault and refused to replace it

Pic in next post.

>>62010931

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>>62010931
.

>>62008986
>or expensive everywhere
Not at best buy :^)

>>61998696
Blue 1tb are true blues. Blue 2tb or higher and you're getting a color blind green.

>>62009480
>3rd worlders safe space
This isn't sweden. Or germany. Or france. Or england. Or spain.

>>62010960
>drive is literally 10 years old

dude you hold your grudges too long

>>62002254
>failing after warranty
That's most devices desu. Just back up your shit every week/month and save important shit as soon as you can.

>>62011020
I never claimed i bought it recently

>>61993218
>>61993246

Meme marketing device. They are all the same, just with different colored stickers on them.

>>62011027

TWO Seagates failed on me after 5 months. I became a statistic. Will never buy Seagate again.

>>61993465
Most drives have a weep hole, idiot.

>>62011236
your mom has a wide hole

>>61988409
Should i get this since I'm back in school?

I don't think i need that much memory maybe just 1tb at most

>>62011630
>he calls hard drives "memory"

>>62011658
>He calls metal plates in an aluminum housing which stores random 0s and 1s data "hard drives"

>>62010183
>Not using macros in emacs for spreadsheets.
Fucking newfags I swear.