Where does /g/ stand on the SSD vs HDD debate?

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>>61981576
Jokes aside, I don't think I will buy hdds anymore. I don't horde data, I have a few almost empty hdds waiting to die.
Would sell them, but nobody would buy 5-6 years old laptop hdds

>>61981576
What's there to debate? SSDs are simply much superior.

>>61981576
>on your main machine
SSD.
HDD is for poorfags, old tech at this point

>cold storage
HDD is fine cuz its cheaper

I absolutely need one Ssd only (256 gb) and absolutely need 3+ HDDs (4tb -8tb). Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Can't live without one or the other.

>>61981576
SSDs did nothing wrong

Doesn't our wiki have a page on this? I thought it did, but I can't seem to find it.

>>61981576
Both is the best choice, because there is a lot of cases where one of the sides is better, and not having both will hurt you on the long run.

I still dont buy the SSD meme.
I will wait for affordable 1TB drives in EU so maybe in 10 years perhaps.

Until SSDs get as cheap as HDD drives with 8TB capacities, I'll be using 4~8TB capacity HDDs with only the boot drive as a SSD.

>>61982097
Why does it have to be a tb?

>>61982161
Its the minimum amount I need for storage on portable devices such as my laptop.

>>61982180
They are only like $250ish. A 5.4k rpm HDD must be painful to use daily.

>>61982200
>They are only like $250ish
My laptop was $200 new so no im fine with HDD.

>>61981618
expensive

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>>61981576
I never used an SSD in my life, here is my speccy, roast me fagits.

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>>61982275
>z97 mobo
>locket cpu

>>61982291
speccy is acting up, it is a 4670k meme

>>61982180
Why? Do you have a 500GB porn stash or something?

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>>61982301
You really shouldn't be commenting on things you haven't had any experience with.

>>61982312
not him, but i do

>>61982349
:^)

Still havn't bought into SSD's either. Only benefit that I can see is faster boot times. Whoopitiy do, "oh look my pc boots up in under 10 seconds" please, if that's the main selling point then I'll put my money towards other stuff (or just flat out save it). Duh, if you try to use 5400 rpm drive as boot course it'll be slow as fuck, 7200 rpm or higher for your boot drive you'll be good. On the plus side, the whole 2TB+ booting problem that was all the big rage a few years ago is pretty much gone thanks to SSD's. I don't see a 3TB SSD boot drive anytime soon coming down to consumer level prices, by the time such drive even exist standard 3.5 HDD will prob be at 20+TB stage,

>SSD
For OS and for heavy stuff like Adobe (no gaymes)

>HDD
for everything else

>>61981576
I use SSD because of the noticeable higher search speed and the absence of noise. The only caveat is that I felt into NVMe meme but actually I don't feel the difference between a PCI-e and a SATA SSD using a machine as a desktop.

>>61982356
You better upload it sometime

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>>61982399
Everything is faster on a ssd, browsing files, transfers, opening programs, noise, it would be painful to be forced to use a HDD again.

>>61981576
I don't use hdd anymore since 2009.
I don't have that much data so the price/gb is not a problem

>>61982445
This seems to be the consensus, although I can't ever figure out why.

>>61982586
This. Bought a T430 and it came with a 500Gb 7200rpm HGST HDD. I tried to use it but it was painfully slow. Immediately replaced it with a 256Gb SSD I had laying around. If I ever need more space I'll get a caddy and add the HDD for extra storage for media.

Until then I need the CD drive to rip the ~200 rare music CDs I stumbled upon. RED elite here I come. :)

>>61981576
I'm considering buying a 2TB SSD because my 1TB 7200 HDD is still so painfully slow for random read. Thoughts?

>>61982761
Oh, and I already have a boot drive SSD anyways. This is for data storage.

>>61982275

Too bad they forced you off of floppy drives right faggot?. I'm sure they were fast enough.

SSHD master race

>>61983141
Memest of memes (right after optane)

>>61981576
SSD is good place to keep the OS and programs you load often. HDD is a good place to keep media files, word documents and mass storage.

>>61982445
Same here

C:\: SSD
D:\-Y:\: HDD

>>61981576
You're a retard if you don't see the advantage of each. I have two SSDs for OS and muh games and then 4 HDD's for files/porn

>>61983709
>windows

>>61982234
>>61981576
Isn't there an established and universal truth that:
>SSD 128-256 GB for system & most commonly used programs
>HDD +1TB for the rest

>>61981576
HDDs only because SSDs can't even handle proper encryption.

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>>61983743
Sorry I'm neither gay nor NEET

>>61983816
What the actual fuck are you on about? Try not using a shitty block cipher mode.

>>61983816
>blame new technology because I'm too retarded to use it properly

>>61982399
Next time you boot, before you start any software, open task manage and sort by disk drive usage. You'll see that your CPU is spending a lot of time idle (when the disk usage is at 100%) waiting on your harddrive to deliver the data it needs. You spend a lot of time at like 1 or 2 mb/s due to seek times for random data.

>>61981576
Both.

>>61982445
Fucking this. Should have been the first post.

>>61983966
neither, I only use USB-drives and store my data in the cloud

>>61982779
>SSD for data storage
I'm pretty sure that's a meme.

128 or 256 GB SSD for boot drive
platters for everything else

It's still too expensive to rely on SSD's for regular usage

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>>61984025
>Cloud
And guess what they're using

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>>61981576

HDD

We are never gonna get high storage affordable SSDs for a decent price because (((they))) are fixing the market for it to always be like this. Dont support ((them))).

>>61984121
It's just cloud storage all the way down

>>61984121
magnet stripes?

Just use both fucks sake it's not hard

>>61984135
>occams razor

>>61984160
bonus points for using logical volumes

>>61984121
you don't actually NEED bulk storage if you just keep transmitting the data around in the cloud

>>61983816
In all honesty, this is the main thing turning me off from using an SSD. Even if I've only got my OS on the SSD, I'd not want to leave it unencrypted.

>>61983864
>>61983851
You're idiots with no idea what you're talking about.

>>61981576
HDDs in server and maybe a couple in a desktop (not as a boot drive though)
SSDs everywhere else

>>61984260
nice ad-hominem

>>61981576
SSDs are so fucking cheap now that it's unreasonable to hold out and stick with HDDs as your daily drivers.

Even 1 TB SSDs aren't that expensive today--you can find good ones for about $250. I have a 1TB 960 Pro and it's godlike--I'm never going back to SATA SSDs to use for my OS.

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>>61984260
Go on......

>>61981576
If you're aiming for a startup don't even bother with college, it is an outdated form of learning and you're much better off finding your own resources.

>>61981576
>another biased comparison that doesn't include UBER (Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate)
Makes it look like HDDs are inferior in every possible way.

It's sad to see companies employ lies in their marketing campaigns.
Even worse that they push incidental bystanders to spread the misinformation for them.

I don't mean you OP, you probably didn't know better.
Hopefully you do now though.

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>>61982180
>HDD
>for portable devices
>such as my laptop
>HDD
>in laptop

LET ME REPEAT THAT
>HDD
>IN LAPTOP

>>61983753

i have a 850 pro 512GB. i have stopped using my 4TB hdd because there is no reason to use it anymore.

the 850pro has basicly infinte lifecycle and is way faster.

i even download torrents on the ssd now. it just doesnt matter anymore.

even servers are switching to ssds because of longevity. hdds die out way too fast so in the long run, an ssd that costs 4x the hdd is still cheaper.

There is no debate. SSDs are better in every way but more expensive.

>>61984484
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>61984499
>UBER
Please explain.

>>61984212
Those raindrops sure are great at storing my anime tiddies.

>>61984547
I told you what it stands for - Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate.
It's literally one search query away and you ask some anonymous person on a board that's prone to spreading lies to explain it to you instead?

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>>61984516
It's not just longevity, but IOPS. Over 50% of servers have nand now, time is money.

hdd is archaic shit. For non interactive data backups etc tapes are fine.

>>61984655
The irony is strong in this post.

>>61984669
Tape drives have fantastic storage capacity and longevity for archival purposes. The lack of direct access is an issue for daily use but if you need backup media there's still no better choice.

>>61982234
>>61983753
FOr now, once the fabs pick up the pace, and supply begins to outpace enterprise demand, they will become very affordable indeed.

>>61985014
Fuck no, Pixar lost all their data for toystory after a few years that was stored on tape. Hell, even dropping a tape from a few inches can damage them irreparably.

SSD IS SHIT

TURN OFF POWER, WHOOPS YOU'RE FUCKED, ALL DATA LOST

HDD, TURN OFF POWER, DATA STILL THERE

SSDFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>61985060
>ssds are in fact ram
really hibbies my jibbies

>>61984502
assuming you're saying an hdd wouldn't fit in a laptop

You do realize HDDs come in different form factors (Ex: 3.5" for desktop, NAS, large externals and 2.5" for laptops, portable externals, consoles)

post good ssd

>>61981576
SSD boot drive, HDD for hoarding shit

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>>61985282
>be retard
>put slow, performance crippling HDD into laptop
>rattles and makes noise
>heats up
>dies from shock and vibrations because it's used in a portable device

>>61981576
that image is wrong, especially if you dont partition like a fucking idiot.
I have 2x4tb in raid 1. My inner most partition regularly sees 117mb/s.
a
>mtbf 0.7M hours
dont but shit brand /csg/ drives then.

You should use both. Use the ssd for your os and your programs and most frequently used files. Use hdds for storing fucking everything else

>>61985290
samsung

Solid state sucks. I don't care how much you like your digital modeling it is garbage. Tubes sound so warm and cozy.

>>61985335
let me guess, you are over 19? ... gosh, why is it so hard to change for old people

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>Mechanical storage
>Ever

>>61985314
You must be really clumsy then

>>61985060
Intel 730 masterrace ftw

>>61985308
But why?

>>61982642
Because it's the best setup. SSDs are amazing, but HDDs aren't absolutely crap. They work just fine for mass storage, and games are so fucking absurdly huge these days you're better off eating the 50% longer loading times. You're truly better off just not playing games, but I digress.

>>61982642
Because SSDs don't help games as much as they help regular programs like Photoshop or AutoCAD start up really quick

Also games these days like Battlefield 1 or Doom 4 are like 80 fucking GB

>>61985335
>not being modeling amp master race
Solid state is not modeling anon

>>61985508
Why not?

SSDs have little benefit for shit like music or video files and general media storage
Loading programs or OS or being a scratch disk for temp files is where SSDs shine

>>61982642
>>61985508
Because storage space in SSD is a premium due to much higher price per GB, it is smart to prioritize what you store on an SSD vs a secondary HDD so that you don't fill up your SSD and make it slow down

>>61984399
>$250
It's not cheap when you can get a 1TB HDD for like $40

SSDs are not ideal for raw storage yet pricewise
Splitting between SSD and a bigger HDD is the current best meta

>>61981576
SSD for OS.
HDD for storage.

>>61986065
Why?

>>61986046
$250 is like a week's worth of work if you're at a shitty minimum wage job. It's not that expensive. People on /g/ shouldn't have shitty minimum wage jobs, anyway.

>>61985314
maybe if you are retarded,by the looks of it you are.

>>61986217
It's still expensive considering the other things I could buy for that week's worth of work

>2 thinkpads
>a fucking flatscreen tv
>8tb of hdd

Like >>61986002 explained, ssd has little benefit for storing shit
It's amazing for loading programs and OS but that generally doesnt take a lot of drive space compared to other shit that won't be loaded much faster by an SSD

Therefore buying a large SSD is not yet worth the money compared to buying 250GB SSD + 2-8TB HDD

SSD for shit like OS and games and shit.

Spinning rust for music/videos/documents/photos/etc.

There's no debate. SSDs are simply better and the only disadvantage they have is price. That's not going to be the case forever though. They'll probably never reach price parity with mechanical drives, but if they get in the same neighborhood it's all over for mechanical drives.

2TB SSD

>>61986255
Literally this, 250GB SSD is all you need.
I got two SSDs, one's 250GB and it has the OS and all my programs and lots of room to spare, the other one is 128GB and I usually keep the game I play the most in there, currently Battlefield 1, and then I have 6TB of storage on 3 2TB HDDs.

It's not only the best, most efficient setup, it's also the one that makes the most sense economically.

>>61982234
Yes. At current prices, I rather spend the price difference on more RAM instead to boost the block cache. Maybe SSDs matter for people who turn their computers off, but I don't see the advantage.

>>61986371
What about encryption?

>>61981576
For the sake of my own notes, I've wrote a summary of this thread.

===Pros of SSD===
Faster than HDDs (in all cases?).
Quieter than HDDs.
HDDs seem to not last as long as SDDs.
If you trust it, what OP's pic said.

===Cons of SSD===
Per byte, HDDs are cheaper.
Whatever the fuck this post's pic was getting at >>61981614
SSDs have some sort of problem with encryption.
SSDs get noticeably slower as they fill up?
Whatever the fuck Uncorrectable Bit Error Rate (UBER) and Input/output Operations Per Second (IOPS) are.


Have I missed anything? So far I'm inclined to agree with posters like >>61984539.

>>61983816
More like, you just read some warning about SSDs and encryption, but you don't really understand it so you go around shitting FUD.

>Why are HDDs still relevant?
Because they compensate for the inherent natural deficiencies of an SSD, whereas the SSD does the same for an HDD.

An SSD:
+ Won't fail from vibrations
+ Doesn't have mechanical moving parts which can fail
+ Has more accurate lifespan estimation
+ Is faster
+ Can hoard more data in the future for cheaper price unless HDD platters get another technological upgrade to their material and data inscription methods
+ Quiet

- Will get fucked by an electrical failure or instability, whether caused by itself, or as a side-effect of other hardware failures via the board, which can wipe and corrupt all data
- Will get fucked by firmware failure, bug, or intrusion, which has a high chance of making retrieval impossible
- Will get fucked by the chip control failing in a way that's hard to fix and which has a high chance of making data retrieval impossible

An HDD:
+ Won't fail from firmware because firmware is irrelevant
+ Won't fail from electrical failure because that only translates to mechanical parts failing while data already inscribed on the platter is retrievable
+ Due to lower speeds, any registered ongoing intrusions or data corruption can be mended, even if partially, making at least part of the data retrievable
+ Data lasts much longer in case of off-line storage, if HDD is kept in plastic containers away from moisture and high temperatures

- Mechanical parts can fail due to various reasons, like vibration, but data from the platters is at least retrievable
- Speeds will always be lacking compared to SSDs
- Price-per-1GB will be higher than SSDs in the future unless HDD platters evolve again
- Can't monitor and estimate lifespan accurately
- Noisy (albeit some have soothing hums and some are well engineered to be quieter, so it's relative)

Smart people use both for specific tasks where their strengths apply and weaknesses are offset.
Retards think one can replace the other.

Don't be a retard.

>>61988688
What about it?

>>61989445
>- Will get fucked by firmware failure, bug, or intrusion, which has a high chance of making retrieval impossible
Is this common?

>>61989445
So you're saying that when SSDs fail, they fail hard? As opposed to HDDs which don't?

Can anyone confirm this? I'm lucky enough to have never had a drive fail on me.

ssd just died :(

>>61982645
what are the cds?

>>61981576
Where does /g/ stand on transistors vs vacuum tubes?

>>61981614
im sure there is a
>the virgin drive
>the chad storage
comic in there somewhere

>>61989445
>+ Won't fail from vibrations
>PCB is indestructible

>+ Doesn't have mechanical moving parts which can fail
>PCB is indestructible

>+ Has more accurate lifespan estimation

>+ Is faster
may be but only because flash dies are paralled
>+ Can hoard more data in the future for cheaper price unless HDD platters get another technological upgrade to their material and data inscription methods
>moore's production plan will be valid forever

>+ Quiet

- Mechanical parts can fail due to various reasons, like vibration, but data from the platters is at least retrievable
unless you throw into the wall, it won't

thank OCZ shill

>>61990949
>implying that much of a speed difference

SSD - limited write operations, excellent for running programs on it that only get infrequent updates such as your OS and all applications

HHD - Unlimited write functions but it can age and eventually die. Excellent for files that get frequently updated. Use it for file storage.

It's fucking simple guys. Use an SSD for your programs and OS and use your HHD for files that get updated frequently. I guess though from a consumer standpoint you won't get many files that get daily changes so an SSD is suitable.

>>61991197
Write limits on SSDs these days is higher than HDD failure points

>>61986242
>my inferior technology is better than yours

There is literally no reason to defend HDDs for laptops at this point.

>SSD
OS installation, important applications
>HDD
Archives: videos, pictures, games, non-important applications

>>61981576
At this point in time there's no reason not to use an SSD

>>61981576
What debate?
ssd-OS
hdd-storage

>>61990328
Yes. SSDs are just as probablistic as any NAND flash drives and sd cards. It's like flash drives on steroids.

>why are NANDs probablistic
They come with ECC (unless you use a retarded SSD) and fakeRAID system that only the manufacturer knows what it does. They also probably come with backdoors but that's just my wild guess.

Fake RAID for a 1TB SSD is like having an extra +3TB or even +7TB in a 1TB SSD. For example you have 011000 written in 8 fake RAID there will be a possibility that 3 of it won't write properly like 010101 or random but when that happens SSD will recheck, compare and rewrite the bits lost because 5 of them are 0011000. When all 6 of them have different random bits and the last 2 are the same it would assume that the last 2 bits that are equal is the original data.

This is also one of the reason why SSD's read speed is blazingly fast. The problem is SSDs have poor write cycles and cannot be used as swap/pagefile/readyboost/cache unless you ought it to be used for that purpose.

The problem here is it's not fail safe and most of the time the one writing bits is proprietary and fixing it yourself would probably raise more problems. On the bright side, warranties exist for that reason (unless you bought a used one).
>power failure
Tell them to just use a fucking UPS.

If you need extra performance and travel/render/game a lot SSD is an excellent choice but if you need fail safe storage and work in a very stable environment and is very stoic then HDD is the right choice.

>>61981620
Wow the richfag oracle has spoken and passed his judgement.

>>61985282
Hdds really, really don't like being moved when they work - epecially reading data. Ideally HDD should be put either vertically or horizontally and used in that position forever.

In a portable device, which gets moved around - obviously, drives get moved around at awkward angles.

I have murdered several 40GB 2.5" drives back in the day because I used them in a portable case - carrying them in a backpack on a bike commute from/to work.

>>61991349
I will have to agree here. It doesn't matter what monster CPU you have since it will still feel like a slow POS.

>>61989033
Data from a crashed SSD is, essentally, lost forever. Data on a physical drive is usually recoverable.

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>>61981576
I got my first SSD 4 months ago and I seriously regret it.
Yes it boot the system and the programs on it faster. And.. that's it.
You're encouraged to reduce unnecessary writes on SSD, but if you use it as system disk it's basically impossible. The system will always write shit on it, an unconfigured browser will write several dozens of gigabytes of data per day for no reasons if you aren't careful. Let's not even talk about the temp folders, you can move them easily to your hdd sure, but I'm assuming not everyone is doing this.
Also I couldn't completely remove the pagefile on it. Basically this sucks and because moving and cloning boot drives is such a pain in the ass, I'm trying to save the lifespan of the SSD as much as I can which lead to me not even actually using it for anything more than boot and some programs, not even games because they weight 50gb today.

>>61996836
wtf i hate ssds now

>>61981576
SSHD master race.

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>>61984137

>>61983816
SSDs can handle encryption just fine. The only problem is when you encrypt SSD that is already in use, in this case wear leveling might leave fragments of old data in plaintext.
And that is easily fixed by encrypting your SSD before installing OS.

>>61996836
oh no 1% life is gone in 33 years you wont be able to write to your 250gb ssd anymore

>>61981618
>SSDs are simply much superior
Besides the fact that the data is lost if it isn't powered for a month?

>>61997401
>Besides the fact that the data is lost if it isn't powered for a month?
I've had my SSD unplugged for 6 months without any data loss. Why are you spreading this lie?

>>61981576
If it's fast and muh data is not lost then it's fine.

>>61989445
I don't get this, on one hand you're pretty much saying "SSDs can fail in some very specific and unlikely ways but apart from that SSDs are better in every way" and yet on the other you've said "smart people use both for specific tasks where their strengths apply and weaknesses are offset. Retards think one can replace the other". Am I dumb, or are you admitting to retardation?

>>61996836
So basically what you're saying is that you bought an SSD and you're trying as hard as you can to not use ut?

>>61991350
Why?

>>61997476
>specific and unlikely ways
>unlikely ways
>electronic failure
>90% of hardware failure
>unlikely ways

The post clearly focuses on retrievability,
and the lines for the HDD are also "specific and unlikely" following the same logic as yours. If anything, you are showing retardation and a lack of reading comprehension.

>>61983840
>not gay
>posting a weeb image

check yourself

>>61997488
Windows and Waterfox ruining it everyday non-stop for no reason isn't what I call "using it"

I'm pretty comfortable with mb/s values I get now though. I'm just saying it was horrible with stock firefox/chrome and windows settings, they aren't ssd friendly at all. But I still wish the OS could give the ssd a break sometimes.

>>61996836

This >>61997397

You will have replaced it long before it fails.

A HDD is far more likely to mechanically fail before a SSD runs out of writes.

>>61998265
Do you have the numbers to back that up?

>>61981576
There is no debate, ones a system drive the others a storage drive.

>>61981576
>SSD vibrates 40x more than an HDD

>>61999150
Why's that?

SSD for boot drive
HDD for mass storage

Why is this so difficult to understand

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I like mine, and the opinions of others will not effect my own.

>>61981576
that's like asking where /g/ stands on the crescent wrench vs soldering iron debate. they are two different things with very different use cases.

>>61999308
>brazilian education

>>61996722
Thats a pro of SSD, you can just crash it when they come knocking

SSD for OS
HDD for low i/o data before SSD prices match

>>61981576
HDD's are chad as fuck. Pro at what it's supposed to do, storage. They fucking spin and spin with their mechanical arms, waiting an eventual death from grinding and rusting.

my ssd feels lightning fast but it apparently doesn't go over 150 mb/s of reading speed, is this normal?

>>61997416
Shit, glad you said this, I was thinking of using a SSD to back up data. Heard the month-meme/FUD a few times now.

>purchase 1tb SSD for $900
>store data on SSD
>don't power it on for few weeks
>corrupted data

uh oh

>>62001567
Yes, because there is not a fucking DISK spinning inside of it and an arm that need to PHYSICALLY move to read information, even if SSD read is "just" DOUBLE the access time is hundred times faster.

>>61981576
SSD for when you gotta go fast
HDD for storage

>>61984170
>occams razor
It's the Jews

>>62001567
Seek and read time is zero on an SSD, so even if you use SATA and not PCIe, it's still going to be a lot faster. Like >>62001643 said, there are no moving parts in it.

>>62001586
NAND-based SSDs are in fact a lot less error prone than magnetic drives, where "bit rot" and disk degradation was a real pain in the ass.

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>512gb SSD
>cloud backups of all important folders on my computer (that update in real-time)
>subscription based music library (that takes 0 space on drive)
>i welcome the cloud-based future

fuck HDD, if you're still using that shit you're begging for your data to get lost

>>62001643
>>62001757
I see, thanks

>>62001796
I'm sure the servers where you are holding your files are using HDDs. Also, can you send me all your files as well?

>>61981576
SDD cannot be recovered