What in the fuck is this shit?

What's wrong with it?

>>61973793
>child porn, slave rings, gun running, cocaine, meth, and heroin sales?

Just fine

>snarky racism?

NO WAY JOSE

>>61973813
So kiddie diddlers and drug dealers get a pass, but people with political beliefs you disagree with don't?

who cares really. go be butthurt about your ready to install "anonymity" being an lgbt project somewhere else son

>>61973829
Are you illiterate?

>>61973793
We have a thread for tech politics
>>61973508

>>61973793
>We are disgusted, angered, and appalled by everything these racists stand for & do. We feel this way any time Tor is used for vile purposes.
wtf is this shit

we need to fork tor and rebrand it now

>>61973793
they did literally nothing but write a blog post chasing headlines

>>61973793
Just them jumping on the bandwagon of virtue signaling to hopefully get a slice of the fame and popularity cake for ousting the latest boogeyman.
More fame and popularity = more donations = more money for them to fuck around with.


But in the end it truly doesn't mean anything becuause:

A) Most of the actual developers doesn't give two fucks, it's the higher ups who does
B) Even if they did they couldn't do anything because of how TOR works on the fundamental level

>>61973793
>we can't build free and open source tools [...] if we also control who uses those tools.
>Tor is designed to [... prevent] anyone from censoring things, even us.

do you have a valid complaint about the tor project or are you literally crying over them having an opinion you disagree with?

>>61973922
>how TOR works
You realize these are the people who MAKE tor, right? They can embed anything they want. Like the backdoor that was unknown for over a year that shut down the first silk road

>>61973793

holy shit they're getting DESTROYED in those comments and they're even commenting back

>were allowed to change

>>61973873
Are you? Stupid fuck.

>>61973793
No, it's smart as fuck. Because you know after articles about the alt-right moving to the darkweb, you'll hear Tor mentioned and suddenly, non-techies want to contact Tor and ask why he supports racism. This same thing happened to Cloudfare - the makers of Tor are just preemptively making it clear that they do not endorse such content and have no way to control it (unlike Cloudfare, who did have the ability to control their sites).

>>61973925
kys faggot.

>>61973954

did the little special snowflake get offended? aww

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>>61973817
Everyone who posts the bullshit needs to bite a bullet. The reason that you never see the Tor community shitting on drug dealers and CP is because Tor has already shat on them extensively. If you idiotic stormfags learned to read and read the documentation, you would see them shitting on what you're complaining about.

https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en
https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en
https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en

Read a book, nigger

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OY VEY

>>61974012
>While we support freedom of speech, [...]
>proceeds to list reasons why they don't support freedom of speech

>>61974005
It's just /pol/ that saw a tech related thing and thought to post it on a tech related board. Same thing happened on /sci/ when Bill Nye did his tv show.

>>61974005
Hello liberal brainlet, did you know that there was already nazi websites on tor since long time ago? they are just playing the good boys to go in the trend, is not only hypocritical but plain bullshit so brainlets like you eat it whole

>>61973793
You know how normies have to compulsively "Keep up with the Joneses" when it comes to life and how others perceive it? This phony virtue-signalling is the corporate equivalent.

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>>61974005
>ideological websites are the same as illegal activity websites
>muh thoughtcrime

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>>61974046
>did you know that there was already nazi websites on tor since long time ago?
Yes. And Tor was still against them.

I don't care if Tor announces that they are against Nazis. It's common sense to do so. I'm glad that Tor announced that they are against Nazis, just like YouTube has and how several other people in tech have. Even Spotify and CloudFlare have stood up to white nationalism, and I am extremely glad that this has happened.

>>61974126
The person I originally quoted was implying Tor project didn't care about CP or drugs. The documented that I posted proves that the Tor project does indeed, care about CP and drugs.

>>61974116
>phony
Yeah, because for alt-right fucktards there's white people who agree with you, and white people who are only pretending not to secretly agree with you. God forbid someone actually doesn't support your ideology.

>>61974143
so virtue signaling is more important than chase all the crime websites i guess
100 good boy point has been deposited in your virtue signaling account

>>61974160
I just think racism is stupid!
Damn, looks like I'm a white supremacist now because I think racism is stupid.

>>61974143
>Even Spotify and CloudFlare have stood up to white nationalism, and I am extremely glad that this has happened.
Why do you care?

>>61974177
Tor is incapable of removing the illegal content that is hosted using it. That is the job of law enforcement. Tor has already took a stance against the illegal content that you are complaining about, just like how it has taken a stance against white nationalism.

>>61973817
> hitmen, forged passports, bombs, money laundering, hacking services
human rights!!!
> people saying things you don't like
wtf no!!!!

>>61974202
That is the problem you fuckwit. TOR shouldn't be taking stances on ANYTHING. Just shut the fuck up. You look more and more retarded with each post.

>>61974005
>TOR isn't a dark ops project from the NSA, Navy, and FBI to traffic children to government officials, fuel the drug war, and to find blackmail information on possible threats

You're one stupid piece of shit.

>>61974210
That's just one of the drawbacks of anonymity. Do you want the government to know everything you do?

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>>61974160
>God forbid someone actually doesn't support your ideology.
When they announce their "feelings" for maximum coverage, you'll have to forgive me for not believing them.

BTW, I'm pretty a-political which means both sides hate me for not picking a side.

>>61973940
It was the 2nd silk road.It wasn't a backdoor. It was an exploit. They knew about it but didn't do anything because it was only entry nodes and a research team took credit for it. So they didn't think they were actual going to use it to get people's real identities. They patched it within a few days after they figured out the "researchers" were actual fbi contractors that launched a real attack on the network. They now no longer give academics the benefit of the doubt. The same attack wouldn't be possible today.

>>61973793
Honestly...given the alt right stance on net neutrality and regulations in general, this makes sense and is totally in line with right wing dogma.
TOR is a privately coded service, at least the plug-ins are done in house by some group. Why should they host something they don't want? They should have the right to disassociate? Ergo if they don't want to have WN stuff floating in their pipes, they have that right to clean it out, and it's yor responsibility to either start or find a network that tolerates your browsing habits. Just like how a company shouldn't be required to bake a cake for a gay couple, no? Just make your own version of TOR from scratch.

>>61973829
Why should they? They're simply adhering to right wing principle and freely acting as an operation instead of being bound by some regulation? This is exactly what the right wanted?

>>61974274
both sides are equally fucked, you are either getting ripped off by Prime Minister Douchebag or Mafia Boss Boris

>>61974298
>Honestly...given the alt right stance on net neutrality and regulations in general
Namely being or is this a strawman?

>>61973878
/g/or when

>>61974298
>develop a similar network to one developed by the U.S. Navy and the NSA

Sure, I'll get right on it.

Fucking Christ you childless autistic shits should be euthanized.

>>61973793
middle and brown guy are high

>>61974126
>if you say something bad about pedos you can't say anything bad about anyone else

Man, why is the right so retarded?

>>61974177
>>61974233
>TOR shouldn't be taking stances on ANYTHING.
no, they HAVE to take a public stance on these things by appealing to public opinion so when government want to ban tor, like china has effectively been doing for years, the project will have public support to hopefully dissuade overtly authoritarian politicians who are in favour of censorship
I do like the irony in complaining about virtue signalling by virtual signalling yourself

>>61974314
That's quite an exaggeration. I don't think the average user will come in contact with organized criminals easily just by using TOR, unless you can show me you can. Even then I think the government has far more potential for harm than criminals do.

>tor literally says "we aren't going to do anything to bring down daily stormer as we believe we can't undermone our service"
>brainlet adolfs can't read beyond 140 characters

>>61974315
Right agrees that net neutrality is bad and ISPs selling and regulating traffic is good because they own the lines. Same difference with TOR regulating who does what with their service...
>>61974323
I mean, that's your problem, not TOR'S, lol. They aren't obligated to cater to you if you go by right wing politics.

Regulations are for lefties.

>no mention of policy changes

Looks like a standard PR stunt to me. If they don't preemptively make the call, eventually some SJW pissants will start accusing Tor of being a hate speech project run by fucking white males.

The Internet gives terrible people a very easy and safe way to ruin others' lives on a whim, and that is a fact of life. No use in ignoring it.

because racism is a bad thing stupid

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>>61974281
TAKE A SITE DAMMIT

>>61974347
TOR isnt going to get down because is a literal fucking honeypot
>hopefully dissuade
what a shitty excuse seriously, but what i can say about liberal mental gymnastics

>>61974354
>Same difference with TOR regulating who does what with their service...
tor can't regulate what they do on their services, that's the difference m8

>>61974350
dumblet can't see the obvious pathetic virtue signaling. where is the blog post and tweet about all the other crap ? they don't exist.

>>61974323
>master race
>can't compete with 9-5 govt workers that aren't even dedicated to their jobs
Topkek

>>61973829
>So kiddie diddlers

You believe that?

night night alt-reich
your day of the rope is coming soon
but for now you have to go back
stop /pol/luting

>>61974354
The actual truth is that net neutrality is ineffective garbage and the real solution is just to always make it so that anything taken with eminent domain is always 100% open to everyone and no single person technically owns the line but buys temporary rights to connect to it so that actual competition surfaces instead of the Government and Corporations cooperating together to MindRape people for their stuff.

lol, expecting left-wing organizations to defend UR FREEDUMBS OF PEACH

>>61974347
>so when government want to ban tor, like china has effectively been doing for years
This isn't China. For that to happen both sides of congress are going to have to agree on it, and it would have happened by now considering there's already worse things on there than loser neo-nazis larping on the internet.

It's purely for PR, but anonymity shouldn't be a politically motivated position.
>>61974354
I don't think they do agree on that. The right is rather dissonant at the moment, but because right wingers have been getting screwed by major platforms they've been crying first amendment a lot. Republican congressmen however are against net neutrality I agree.

this kind of shit is hilarious. there are all kind of shady crap in tor, even child porn and drug dealing but they are unironically witch hunting a few white guys for saying "innapropriate" things. hell, as long you don't hang anyone you can not like blacks, asians, women, fags or whatever, and I say that being a fucking negro

>80% of The Tor Project's $2M annual budget came from the United States government, with the U.S. State Department, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, and the National Science Foundation as major contributors,[155] aiming "to aid democracy advocates in authoritarian states".

Lol

>>61974384
>where is the blog post and tweet about all the other crap ? they don't exist.
Whataboutism.

>>61974411
ah yes I too am a black person on this anonymous website
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>61974126
>implying that a lot of illegal activity is not just thoughtcrime
dumb /pol/ac

>>61974347
>the project will have public support to hopefully dissuade overtly authoritarian politicians who are in favour of censorship
this is a great joke
the public will turn on tor as soon as the news starts to spew bullshit about how they support shit and noone will care if they denounced it publicly because the population is too dumb to read shit just look at the retarded google memo thing
the public believes what the news say and tor will be dead the second the news turn on them

>>61974384
Literally in the replies of that same thread you fucking retard

>big news media story
>thinking their PR will just stay silent

They did the same shit when Scully got arrested. And when Ulbrecht got arrested. But again, you're too retarded to read more than 140 characters. Just kys.

>>61974298
Tor does not block right wing sites.

>>61974395
Are you implying that tor does not protect those who create and distribute child pornography?

>>61973793

lel bunch of hypocrites...

But that's not surprising, leftists are known for drug abuse, molesting children and occasionally murdering people they feel are a threat to them.

>>61974383
They can make it difficult for people doing things they don't want done with their service, and that's their right as a private group. Going by alt-right politic, that is. Someone who wants to TOR should just build a new service or find or build a new TOR client. It's not TORs job to hold everyone's hand and equally make access easy for everyone, just like how it's not the government's job to hold the people's hand and distribute welfare to everyone.

>>61974194
because he is a proponent of the popular stance of "You are guilty until proven innocent, and silence is agreement"

>>61974434
moot is dead, anon

>>61974470
That's the nice part about rights, they're unbiased and apply equally to everyone. You wouldn't understand that because you're a retarded nigger.

>>61974298
>Just make your own version of TOR from scratch.
What is open source.
What is fork.

>>61974466
For now

>>61974429
whataboutism is a deflection technique. i am not trying to deflect criticism from racists but rather asking where is the other criticism ? the reason it doesn't exist is because they are hypocritical virtue signalers.

>>61974461
show me the big headline stories that implicated Tor ? there name was non existent in the articles.

>>61974503
The tor client is foss, the only way to block these sites would be to blacklist them on the client. Removing the block would be extremely trivial.

>>61974500
/pol/ doesn't know about free software.

>>61974503
Do you not understand how tor works? They can't block anyone from using the service thats the whole point behind hidden services.

>>61974500
Exactly. People itt complaining are as lazy and useless as lefties. It's not TORs job to hold their hands, and if they legitimately believe they've lost "free speech" because of this, they're mistaken. The truth is that they're too lazy to build a client and make their voice known. Literally lazier than lefties.

>>61974382
if you don't think public support of tor matters when the government comes to put it on the chopping block what's your position then? that everyone should do what your nanny state government tells you to do? tor is one of the few places that dailystormer can continue to exist and you're attacking it because they said something you don't like

>because is a literal fucking honeypot
then it's no different from it being hosted on the clearweb, except dailystormer keeps getting kicked off of domain name registrars

>>61974455
>the public will turn on tor as soon as the news starts to spew bullshit about how they support shit
this is true, this is why tor has to be pre-emptive in expressing disapproval of this site before anyone starts to warp opinion of them like plenty of people in this thread are doing, it's an uphill battle, that's the price to pay for lack of censorship

>>61973985
>long hair
>not drug dealer

>>61974411
>they are unironically witch hunting
The post literally fucking says:
>But we can't build free and open source tools that protect journalists, human rights activists, and ordinary people around the world if we also control who uses those tools. Tor is designed to defend human rights and privacy by preventing anyone from censoring things, even us.
This post isn't pandering to liberals like Mozilla does. It's telling them, in their terms, that they aren't going to sacrifice their principles to appeal to liberal politics.
Tor already has an uneasy public reputation whenever normies hear about it. The difference is that because drug dealers, child porn fappers, etc, are already criminals, they can't be held ethically liable for the actions of people who disregard others' rules and laws. Hate speech is perfectly legal, so it makes sense that they have to reassure liberals they don't mean harm before some idiot university students hear about what Tor is and sic the lynch mob on them.

I can ignore everything else about /pol/, but this I will not tolerate. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but no one is entitled to their own facts.

>>61974486
>They can make it difficult for people doing things they don't want done with their service
do you have any idea how tor works? the tor project has no control over what happens on their service, this is literally by design

>>61974538
People itt are complaining about TOR denouncing or blocking stuff. Only way would be through client. If client actually blocks, then that just means anyone blocked that can't figure out how to get around it is someone who didn't deserve to speak anyway. Again, it's not TORs job to hold people's hands.

>>61974555
hate speech is undoubtedly illegal in the united states literally what the fuck are you talking about

>>61974495
You're rather upset, did one of your kidnapped kids escape?

Doesn't TOR still receive most of its funding from the United States Navy? If that is the case i seriously doubt that it will be shut down any time because it gives them plausible deniability to keep conducting spy shit in the TOR network and play it off as criminals doing it

>>61974575
Fine, legal in the first world. Point stands.

This thread is uncomfortable active.

A lot of people seem to be complaining about the drug dealers, I'm actually curious, what are your thoughts on drugs? (Cannabis and alcohol included)

I'm a straight edge faggot but I'm just wondering.

>>61974575
>hate speech is undoubtedly illegal in the united states
[citation needed]

>>61974565
They can block at client. This is what I presume people are potentially up in arms about. Anything else is just pointless bitching and not actual /g/ related discussion, since we all know a bypass is as simple as a fork of the client.

>>61974569
>People itt are complaining about TOR denouncing or blocking stuff
the people complaining about tor blocking anything are wrong, tor is not blocking or censoring anything, they've only expressed an opinion on dailystormer, they explicitly said they cannot censor them
>If client actually blocks
it does not

>>61974529
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/15/16150668/daily-stormer-alt-right-dark-web-site-godaddy-google-ban
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/16/daily-stormer-forced-dark-web-reddit-facebook-ban-hate-groups
https://news.vice.com/story/neo-nazi-site-the-daily-stormer-moves-to-the-darkweb-but-promises-a-comeback
http://fortune.com/2017/08/15/daily-stormer-moves-to-dark-web/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/08/15/neo-nazi-website-daily-stormer-retreats-dark-web/569758001/
https://m.slashdot.org/story/17/08/15/2031222/neo-nazi-site-the-daily-stormer-moves-to-dark-web-after-shutdown
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/daily-stormer-russia-domain.html

>I'm a fucking retard that never heard of googling what is the internet?

Fuck off back to /pol/

>>61974414
I hope they will soon start aiding democracy advocates in the US :^)

>>61974575
Are you retarded?

>>61974609
>They can block at client. This is what I presume people are potentially up in arms about.
by their client I assume you mean their open source browser, they could do that, but they haven't, they haven't said they will, and they have never blocked anything in their browser before, there is literally no precedent of anything like this happening, and while something like this happening would be a dangerous precedent to set it's a what if question and has no basis in reality

>>61974575
Hate speech isnt.
Any speech which incites violence is.

Ergo it's alright to shit on a race, but you can be jailed if you call for genocide or assaults and don't explicitly disclaimer your statements as being a quote from someone else, or you talking in jest and making satire.

>>61974652
In that case there's no reason for this thread to even be here. As far as the programming aspects are concerned, it's a nothing burger and this is simply as discussion of the politics of a tweet rather than the implications of a change in the technical arena.

This thread should be moved to /pol/.

>>61974615
half those articles don't even mention Tor. Just say *dark web*.

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>>61974575
and what does define a speech as hate speech?
disagreeing with something? telling someone that they can't simply change their gender according to their mood?

>>61974671
You should move to /r/eddit

>>61974692
>hurrr

>>61974674
>none of the articles said anything about that!
>o-okay only half of them do!!

Your point? They still do, and not everyone is as retarded as you and can google what darknet it moved to. Also, normies don't even know what freenet or i2p is.

>>61974143
What's the difference between White Nationalists and White supremacists? Aren't Nationalists just proud of their "identity"? Why is that term being used for whities that think they're better than everyone aka supremacists?

>>61974671
>muh /pol/
res scream that, is like is going to change something faggot, maybe go back to tumblr, that echo chamber is fine for you

>>61974717
Because people can't into language.

But... but... I2P is so slow, man.

>>61974495
No, I don't give a fuck if cracking down on pedophiles is anti-freedom to you. It needs to be done

>>61974600
Soft drugs should be legal, users of hard drugs should be viewed as needing medical rehabilitation rather than criminal punishment

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>/pol/ doesn't know how Tor works but throws a tantrum anyway

>>61974718
Lol, look at that butthurt butt baby

>>61973817
The left wants to make Drugs and Pedophilia Legal anyway, don't you get it?

>>61974779
>should be viewed as needing medical rehabilitation
Facists should be viewed as needing medical rehabilitation

>>61974788
>left wants to make ... Pedophilia Legal
lolwut? the left is against anime because as they claim it promotes pedophilia.

In any case, please do define what you mean by pedophilia.

>>61974764
>First they came for the pedos and I did nothing because I was not a pedo.

>>61974408
>This isn't China.

People are being doxed, publically attacked, and sent to prison, for appearing in a political rally that those in power do not agree with. They are also non stop talking about building additional censoring and control over to the internet.

Which part of this does not sound like China to you?

>>61974718
No it should be moved to /pol/ because it's legitimately a discussion of strictly politics instead of technology. The only way it'd be worth keeping here is discussion of implementations of changes on the client or protocol.

>>61974233
>TOR shouldn't be taking stances on ANYTHING
retard

>>61974764
>pedophiles
What crime did the paedophiles on tor commit? Who was the victim?
(not child rapists - there is a big difference)

>>61973793
"guy" on the right looks like a pedophile

>>61974806
Salon releasing articles like the "virtuous Pedophile"

/g/ isn't for circlejerking about ess jay dubyas.

You have to go back.


>>>/pol/

>>61974832
Is that the mission in metal gear where you rescue Olga's daughter?

>>61974470
>and distribute
If there was no victim, how did they do anything wrong?

>those who create
Sadly there is no way to my knowledge that a service like tor is able to guarantee the ability for good people not to be censored and spied on while the bad people are.

so what if the tor project doesn't approve of free speech?
it's not like they can control what people do with tor

>>61974575
>hate speech is undoubtedly illegal in the united states

Doesn't their laws state that everyone has a right to free speech? Because that includes hate speech as well, if it doesn't, then they are free to outlaw anything they classify as hate speech. Nazis today, cis scum tomorrow.

>>61974832
What is that?

>>61974575
It's not Illegal

How long until 4chan is taken down?

>>61974887
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2017/02/salon-shouldnt-have-unpublished-its-pedophilia-article.html

>>61974575
>>61974875
https://archive.fo/dHxY7
June 19, 2017 - Supreme Court unanimously reaffirms: There is no ‘hate speech’ exception to the First Amendment.

>A law found to discriminate based on viewpoint is an “egregious form of content discrimination,” which is “presumptively unconstitutional.” … A law that can be directed against speech found offensive to some portion of the public can be turned against minority and dissenting views to the detriment of all. The First Amendment does not entrust that power to the government’s benevolence. Instead, our reliance must be on the substantial safeguards of free and open discussion in a democratic society. - Justice Anthony Kennedy

>[The idea that the government may restrict] speech expressing ideas that offend … strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.” - Justice Samuel Alito

>>61974917
tl;dr?

>>61974575

Supreme Court UNANIMOUSLY reaffirms: There is no ‘hate speech’ exception to the First Amendment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

>>61974918
>One more step
>Please complete the security check to access archive.fo
Gee, thanks asshole.
Why aren't you linking the article directly? If the article is not online then why aren't you using archive.org?

>>61974575

what a retard

>>61973985
this

>>61974938
Catch aids and die.

>>61973793
Things you will never do:
>Use Tor
>Program
>Know anything about the world outside of baseless garbage you read on one board on 4chan
>Have self-fulfillment

>>61974953
Would you my answering my questions please? Why do you like that shitty spying site so much?

>>61974964
>my
*mind

>>61974612
>they explicitly said they cannot censor them

Actually, then can. Anyone can do that by simply predicting the hidden service's descriptor id for the next 24 hours window, then using a slightly modified Shallot to generate the right identity key for it's relay (the key in secret_id_key file). Then it's relay will be selected to hold the descriptor of the HS for the next 24 hours, and he can then return 404 when someome requests the descriptor of the HS that he wants to block.

This attack can't really be avoided, due to the usage of DHT.

>>61973793
I don't see anything wrong with it? I see spreading and distributing drugs in the same moral ground as spreading and distributing nazi values.

>>61974964
lurk more.

>>61975001
Why? Tor isn't allowed to have free speech if it goes against right wingers?

>>61975007
Thanks for your valuable contributions in this thread - not really.

>>61975021
lurk more

>>61975001
See >>61974005

>>61975009
>hypocrite: the reply

>>61975024
Thanks for your valuable contributions in this thread - not really.

>>61975038
Hypocrite? They are exercising their freedom of speech, whats wrong with it?

gee, who would have thought /g/ has has commies

>>61975009
It's a shit posting meme, don't take it so seriously m8

>>61975045
>Everyone I don't like is a commi

>>61975043
Thanks for your valuable contributions in this thread - not really.

>>61974005
/pol/ getting btfo this hard
goddamn beautiful

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>>61975045
Leftshill you mean.

>>61975046
>he proved me wrong, that means that he must be from re ddit :(

>>61975056
I am glad that you liked my post so much that you started reposting it.

>>61975077
Thanks for your valuable contributions in this thread - not really.

>>61975065
See >>61974692

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>>61975084
>he proved me wrong, that means that he must be from re ddit :(
pic is you

>>61975083
Every time you repost that my willy becomes 2cm larger.

>>61975124
Thanks for your valuable contributions in this thread - not really.

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>>61973793

oh look its the same pathetic leftie that will scream /pol/ on anything near political

>>61974918
>>61974938


>>61971311

>>61975187
wow now THAT is fucking weird.

the thread is in the 4chan /g/ archive, my the specific POST was deleted from it.

really makes those almonds activate, what the fuck are they hiding?

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/61968062/#61971311

>>61975187
How is that deleted post relevant to anything that I said?

>>61971424
tor

>>61975205
>>61975187
Why does it matter who gets to define what hatespeech is if it is protected speech too?

>>61971424 →
Freenet

>>61974005
>this kills that /pol/ack

>>61974126
>>ideological websites are the same as illegal activity websites
Except the person who started that comparison was >>61973817 not >>61974005.

>>61975252
>>this kills that /pol/ack
Be careful there, he will tell you to go back to re ddit.

Not sure you guys really understand the First Amendment...

FOS (Freedom of Speech):

It DOES NOT protect you from being fired for your speech.

It DOES NOT protect you from public shaming

It DOES NOT protect you from criticism.

It DOES NOT give you the right to an audience or being heard at all

It DOES NOT apply to private property such as websites (non-government), retail areas, other people's homes, etc. You can be removed regardless of your speech from these locations/properties.

IT DOES protect you from the government persecuting you for your speech. That's it, just the government. They can't imprison you for your opinions.

Remember kids, FOS has its limits as defined by the courts.

>>61975301
/thread

>>61975301
The concept of the freedom of speech predates the first amendment of the constitution of the USA. You are literally creating a strawman.

>>61975375
A company is not liable to preserve your feedom of speech, it is not liable to serve you either

4chan is deleting specific posts about free speech/hate speech during/after archival

>>61975290
>>61975290

>>61975413
wow! it's almost like...
4chan is trying to stay alive
Who could've thought?

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>>61973793
I'm a feminist and a SJW, t b h this is weird even for me...

>>61975411
Did I claim that it is legally liable to do so?

>>61975437
I was clearing up any confusion readers might have

>>61975301
Freedom of Speech is so insanely important that it is literally law. Our laws are shaped by culture and our culture thought that it was one of the most important things. People expect freedom of speech in most situations in their daily life. They also expect it online.

When people argue for or against freedom of speech they are talking about the societal value for us as a culture.

>>61975446
Do you randomly go in threads and start posting "facts of the day"? Because your post was irrelevant to the topic and nobody talked about that before you either.

>>61975434
OUT

>>61975474
No it wasn't. Your post could create confusion that private companies are liable to reserve the freedom of speech.

>>61975301
>organization does something shitty
>get criticized
>WOW IT'S NOT ILLEGAL READ THE CONSTITUTION

>>61975467
Being anti Freedom of speech = Being anti Human

>>61975495
>No it wasn't.
Literally nobody talked about that before you made your irrelevant post.

>Your post could create confusion that private companies are liable to reserve the freedom of speech.
No, it could not.

>>61975500
You are fee to criticize, that's alright.

>>61975488
no.

>>61975533
>irrelevant post.
Laws are always relevant

>>61975546
How is a law irrelevant to the topic relevant to this thread?

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>>61973793

>>61975574
>>61975148

>>61975561
>irrelevant to the topic
It's about freedom of speech, and yes it is relevant. Perform your mental gymnastics all you want

>>61974005
I bet that even given the link, they still won't read the FAQ. "Too many words, my interaural ganglion hurts." Documentation reading is a long-gone skill, decades long. Brainlets.

>>61975626
Yeah, right wingers are more emotion driven than facts

>>61975301
I wish discrimination laws were consistent then.

Why should the government interfere with private business owners not wanting to hire blacks? Why should the government be allowed to force home owners to accept gays? Why should federal government force projects into white neighbourhoods in order to 'diversify' it up? Why can't I, as a private business owner, have the right to decide who I want to be around based on any reason I choose? Some old bat in HR can discriminate against people based on star signs without issue yet someone cannot make generalisations about races or sexes and that's when you need to infringe on their right to do so?

>>61975579
>>61975001

>>61975660

>>>61975579 (You)
>>>61975001
Exactly, it's not free speech if it goes against /pol/

>>61975574
>people rape children on tor
Wut? Tor can't transfer matter.
Also see >>61974005

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>>61975673
>I'm being clever!

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>>61975696
The `>` was not necessary

>>61974806
Do you not know what left means? "Wanting a ban on things makes you literally hitler" -- the left

>>61975590
>It's about freedom of speech
The certain law that you talked about simply limits what the US government can impose on its citizens. How on earth is it relevant?

>and yes it is relevant
I fail to see how this is the case.

>>61975691
1. Stupid interpretation by a stupid person
2. They admitted that they haven't voiced their concerns about any other topic like this before

>>61975714
Neither was your comment

>>61975717
>"Wanting a ban on things makes you literally hitler" -- the left
This seems quite different than the definition given by /pol/ or most of the world.
If this is the true definition then I am probably a leftist on things concerning internet freedom.

>>61975730
>2. They admitted that they haven't voiced their concerns about any other topic like this before
See >>61974005
They admitted that they haven't voiced their concerns about any other topic like this before on twitter.

>>61975769
and nobody asked them

>>61975514
I don't know about it being anti-human, but it's definitely anti-humanity and anti-progress. The only way for newer and better ideas to emerge is if the merits of all the ideas can be openly discussed.

>>61974552
Stop profiling. That's basically racism.

Why do all the posts with a completely different style from the usual 4chan post also sprout leftist bullshit?

Do your fucking homework, shills.

>>61975924
>why do you post like humans with working brains
geez i wonder why, you fucking brainlet.
Go masturbate with some dumb infographic or something

>>61975750
It's a quote. Not a definition

>>61975924
>Why do all the posts with a completely different style from the usual 4chan post also sprout leftist bullshit?
4chan was a leftist community at first. It has changed. People acted like idiots, so over time other idiots saw this and joined. This went on until some people didn't like it any more and left. So they were left with idiots.

Why do you think the hacker community that pretended to be Anonymous is not on the same side as /pol/ is?

>>61975962
>It's a quote
By whom?

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>>61975924
>he was too young to ever see Communist Sundays on /b/

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>>61973793
This photo rite here bios.

>>61976026
>>61975148

>>61976026
Holly fuck. Didn't even read the thread, namefagging, image directly from facebook.
KYS

>>61975950
>geez i wonder why, you fucking brainlet
Because they're newfags that saw the news, could not comprehend that someone has a different opinion than them and came to infect yet another community?

>>61973793
Fuck you're stupid.

Read the rest of the post and the follow up posts. They're saying they are preventing anyone censoring things including themselves.

Besides that they have openly denounced cp, drug dealing, and all illegal shit.

Fuck off back to pol or better yet kill yourself.

>>61976051
Too smart to name my files.
>tfw too intelligent.

>>61976026
Honestly, drug dealers and pedophiles are better than terrorists and /pol/acks

>>61976087
>>61975001 >>61976026

>>61976087
1: you use facebook, this by itself shows that you do not belong here
2: you don't need to rename your files in order to hide where you got them.

>>61976089
This is why China is gonna take over. Fucking faggots like you are destroying western culture with your acceptance of drugs and pedos. I'm glad it's all burning down.

>>61976089
>This is what leftists actually believe

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>>61976101
I can go wherever i fucking want lol.

>>61976071
>Tor is designed to defend human rights and privacy by preventing anyone from censoring things, even us.

You don't need to read that quote, fuck that.

>>61976114
Please tell me, what did pedos on tor do wrong? Who are their victims?
Same goes for the drug dealers on tor. Only the ones who search for them can find them.

>>61976124
As I said before. Many leftists even hate anime because it promotes "pedophilia" as they claim.

>>61976089
>drug dealers and pedophiles are better than terrorists and /pol/acks
>merging terrorist with /pol/.
>thinking pedo's and druggies are "good."
nope.

>>61976152
>>thinking pedo's and druggies are "good."
See >>61976150

>merging terrorist with /pol/.
I merge all the extremes together.

>>61976169
Radical centrism.

>>61975924
> different style from the usual 4chan post
/pol/ retardation isn't representative of the entirety of 4chan.
That's why /pol/ is a containment board.

>>61976178
Just rationalism.

>>61976150
With the way you think I'm not really surprised that radical Islam is a thing. They come over to European lands to take advantage of you retarded white people and then fight back against the degeneracy you people defend.

>>61976197
What are you trying to argue?

>>61973941
You're fucking delusional.

>>61973793
They're faggots virtue signaling, not altering Tor in any way. They functionally couldn't without compromising the entire platform.

>>61974330
Centuries of inbreeding

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>>61976150
those are authoritarians

>>61976295
This is a shitty map

>>61976114
You're a fucking retard. Pedophilia wasn't even considered criminal until the late 19th century and drugs use to be easy to buy and disturbute. You could get meth chocolate at local pharmacies in your precious Nazi Germany. Druggies and pedos aren't responsible for society's collapse.

>>61975434
>feminist
>sjw

pick one

>>61973793
lmao who the fuck cares
They've got all this illegal shit running on their service and they can't do jack shit to stop it.

What the fuck are they going to do about it?
Bitch and moan on twitter?

>>61976324
>doesn't know about degeneracy in the weimar republic

>>61973793
HA! Old news now. But just like everything else with being trapped in the 1960's the pro-censorship characters are behind as usual. (or taking it up the behind in many cases)

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>>61976295
This one is much more accurate. Not my results, just something I found on google images.

>>61974035
Web 3.0 needs to die desu they just turned it into another mainstream media

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>>61974005
>child porn is the same thing as mean forum posts

no.

>>61976324
>Jews get grilled
>Kiddy fiddling becomes illegal

Pure coincidence, of course.

>>61976335
What kind of mental gymnastics is it

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Wow. I just made a thread about this because I ctrl f'd and didn't see one. Thanks for not including the god damn name 'tor' in your post you fucking moron.

>little whiny /pol/luter shocked to find not everyone shares his edgy 12 yo ideas
Wow!

>>61976350
Meth didn't exist in the Weimar Republic dumb dumb. It was first syntheized around the time of the rise of Nazism and the party officially supported as a super drug and wonder cure.

>>61973793
>caring about a bunch of nazi cuckolds
They're trying to live in the past. The future is now. Either get with it or get left behind.

>>61974177
Kill yourself.
Tor is anti censorship they're saying they will continue to be that way even if their network is being used for shit they do not agree with.

They have denounced criminal activities in tor networks before you fucking idiot.

>>61976385
Weird how the "Aryan" nations with low Jew populations only started cracking down on the stuff after Zionist America forced them to in the 80s. Ethnically pure Japan was one of the last countries to get on board. Weird it's like the Jews aren't responsible for all the world's problems.

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>>61976363
these maps are always dodgy because most parties, with the exception of green parties, are far more authoritarian right than people generally believe, the same is true for countries, this raises the issue with saying the democrats are social liberal when they're far closer to the gop than people are comfortable admitting - they're certainly to the right of most european countries right wing parties despite being america's left

>>61976473
As somebody that lives in one of those countries there is no way that map is accurate.

>>61975545
Post your gentoo

>>61973793
So is this just a political stunt or will they actually do something about it?

>>61974005
Is this supposed to be an argument? They don't make any kind of moral grandstanding in the FAQ whatsoever? Did you even read it?

>>61976473
I'd say the ideology blocks in general are correct, but the placement of the parties might not be.

>>61976438
tor was made to defeat political persecution, the last thing they should be doing is getting political

>>61976473
pic related is uk's 2015 results (2017 is skewed because people assume corbyn is more left than he is and that labour has to be left as a result), labour are considered uk's leftist liberal party, similar results to this can generally be found in most countries with fptp

>>61976492
which one, if you don't mind? it's going to be a bit skewed and the individual parties within a country are a little more accurate but again it's the problem of these maps, you can't really condense politics into two dimensional issues

>>61976505
that's fair

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>>61976524
forgot bloody pic

>>61976514

They are just trying to not seem threatening as they actually are. I'm not saying tor is bad but encryption is powerful.

Same reason Northrop puts pro-diversity videos on their jewtube channel and then proceeds to make weapons that blow people to bits

>>61973793
This thread should have been deleted.

It's social posturing to protect the foundation's image, laughably enough, nothing more.

TOR by its very nature cannot have control over whom hosts what on the network.

>>61974330
That's not an apt argument. Way to be intellectually bankrupt jackass.

>>61974495
>he think he has a right to rape children
wow, I hope they cut you into little piece in federal prison

>But we can't build free and open source tools that protect journalists, human rights activists, and ordinary people around the world if we also control who uses those tools. Tor is designed to defend human rights and privacy by preventing anyone from censoring things, even us.
They did good.

>>61976538
Probably right.

>>61976503
It's nothing. They posted ethnic diversity mural with a logo and some empty words how they don't share ideology but the whole purpose of the service is neutrality. Pretty much protected their stance from libcuck onslaught.

>>61976524
>which one, if you don't mind?
Estonia. The people are not all that into an authoritarian government, nor are they so heavily on the right.

Yes, things like gay marriage are not popular, however, religion is even less popular. There are some conservative values that people hold, but also others that are in opposition to those.

People here aren't really white supremacists. They just don't like outsiders. They hate Russians far more than any black people or muslims and Russians are white.

They aren't even that nationalistic. They just intensely dislike certain countries like Russia.

Estonia also really likes capitalism, but they like the nordic version of capitalism. The one that provides you with healthcare and an education.

>>61976573
pornography rapes children?

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>>61976647
no the porn kid actors just pretend they are being hurt

>>61974005
The first fucking sentence
>criminals already do bad things, so why don't we provide a platform for them to do more bad things

>>61974313
So we're allowing bakeries to refuse to bake gay wedding cakes too, right?

>>61977142
But, hey. They are evill racisss white ppl.

This is dumb. Are they really banned from the internet and tor was their last way in? Like, I feel Tor is just making a statement by this for whatever political end; and they aren't really shutting them down, or are they?

>>61977258
doubt it, but it is taking a while, you'd think there'd be a stormfront.cd or w/e pretty quickly, maybe there is idk

>>61974005
There's a BIG difference between a disclaimer in their wiki and speaking publicly about something.
They never spoke publicly about all those other (much more heinous) crimes, even when they were relevant to some big news regarding them.
Only about this specific one.

Deal with it nazis. How's it feel to be more hated than pedos, drug dealers, and isil? White nationalists are the lowest of the low, the scummiest of the scum.

>>61977258
Tor CAN'T shut them down. Read the fucking blogpost instead of crying like some nazi at the Nuremberg trials "Wahh I was only following orders boo hoo"

Love is always better than hate, even if it's love for drugs or kids.

>>61977839
What if you love your race?

https://dailystormer.lol/

>>61977727
https://twitter.com/torproject/status/329647368494522370
https://twitter.com/torproject/status/212758818428428288
https://twitter.com/torproject/status/894667754342674432
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/trip-report-white-house-forum-combat-human-trafficking
>A local Tor volunteer from Cambridge, Massachusetts has White House Press credentials and was able to cover the event. This article is a better writeup and interview, with video, than anything else I've seen covering the event. Interestingly, no other press showed up to cover the event. It seems CCTV Cambridge was the only press covering this White House initiative.

they do speak up but nobody, yourselves included, pay attention because nobody gives a shit until it starts affecting them; they've tweeted more about sex trafficking and bad anti-child pornography laws than the (one) tweet they've made so far about racists

>>61977875
Just ignore them. Dumb special snowflakes get triggered over the stupidest shit. Wh-wh-what do you mean I can't hate black people anymore

>>61977858
Judging people by their ethnicity is always stupid. Yes, even if nonwhites do it.
There is no feeling of unity between people of the same race, it's just ingroup-outgroup bias.

>>61977884
What do you mean thoughts can be illegal?

>>61977907
Blacks and indians and such are many times more racist than white people are.

>>61977907
Here a (you)

>>61977929
oh, I guess that makes it ok then. Hey everyone black people are racist, that means we can all be racist now!

>>61977875
My bad.
I thought this [>>61975574] was an admission of never speaking out about them.

I retract my statement.

>>61977929
>Yes, even if nonwhites do it.
Can you fucking read?

>>61977952
No, racism being a private thought that someone has makes it okay.
Acts motivated by racism that cause harm to people are as immoral as any other act that causes harm to someone.

>>61977907
>Judging dogs by their breed is always stupid. Yes, even if non-golden-retrievers do it.
>There is no feeling of unity between dogs of the same breed, it's just ingroup-outgroup bias.

>>61977982
Do you know anything about dogs at all?

>>61974298
One its an open source project so no one owns it, secondly they don't host anything other then perhaps a few entry/exit nodes(most are ran by randoms anyway)

>>61977982
>people are dog breeds
Ignoring your Tumblr-tier concept of biology, yes, most assumptions of "violent" breeds are misconceptions. They are usually abused by owners to make them dangerous to home invaders. There is no empirical evidence suggesting that Rottweilers or pit bull terriers are inherently violent. Similarly, toy dogs are characterized as volatile because they are popular among vain idiots that treat them as fashion accessories.

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>>61978030
rly makes me think

>>61978052
Dude just shut up. Enough with your bullshit "gotcha" arguments, I guarantee you you are wrong. It doesn't matter what you say, you're racist so you automatically lose the debate. End of story.

>>61977884
I'd love to but there's a few people, not everybody, maliciously spreading harmful misinformation about one of the few services that actually gives a shit about censorship and advocates for human rights in a real impactful way

>>61977972
thank you for acknowledging that, the 'we're allowed to change' tweet does seem incredibly suspect, if I had to guess, on their blog they frequently have a variety of tor project staff reply to comments under individual staff's whereas if the twitter account is shared it won't be the case, but that's just making excuses for a misleading tweet from them at this point

here are some more tangentially related links if anybody is on the fence
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/q-and-east-african-human-rights-activist
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/protecting-your-internet-traffic-volatile-times

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>>61978064
>It doesn't matter what you say, you're racist so you automatically lose the debate

>>61978064
Sorry. If you guarantee it then I concede victory to you sir.
My arguments are no match to your statements.

>>61978030
But pitbulls were bred for fighting, it's literally how breeds come into existence, by breeding some traits we find useful and amplifying them.

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>>61978064

>>61973925
This.

>>61977994
>Dogs differ only in their body.
>Their minds are exactly the same.

Dumbest post of the year.

>>61978052
there's a bit of a cognitive bias effect here, if people believe pit bulls or rottweilers make for aggressive and violent dogs then people who want to breed and train dogs to be aggressive and violent will seek out pit bulls and rottweilers and not other dogs without that reputation which inevitably leads to a far higher population of dogs that are trained to be aggressive and violent in those breeds

unless you account for the type of training those dogs received it doesn't really tell you anything

>>61978064
This is how americans discuss now?
Call the other racist and claim victory?

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>>61978162
Except for all the constant cases where a dog from a breed commonly known as violent grows up as a family pet in a loving home, and suddenly snaps and bites someone in the face.

Also
>breed
Do you understand this word you fucking moron?
It literally means that "artificial selection" (like the natural one that allows for evolution) is done to make a dog one way or another GENETICALLY.
It literally makes them that way intrinsically.

Pitbulls were bred for fighting, which means that all pitbulls have fighting instincts. Even if they grow up in the most loving family house ever and get trained with the best anti-violence methods.
It's in their genes BECAUSE of breeding.

Each dog breed was artificially evolved for certain purposes.
Some are for rescuing people, some are for herding cattle, some are for company, and some are for fighting.
They ere literally made that way BY BREEDING.
No amount of cuddling will prevent them from snapping for no reason once their instincts are activated.
WebM related is only one of a mountain of similar videos.
Just search for "pitbull" or "rottweiler" on liveleak or bestgore.
They snap literally for no apparent reason, because of instincts.
Must be a coincidence that it never happens with breeds that are commonly known as peaceful, huh?

Are you a creationist by chance?

This is all middle school biology. How can you not understand this?

>>61978064
How did this get so many replies?

>>61978162
So you think all dogs are equal mentally?

Like if some wizard swapped the brains of the dogs of different breeds, they would on average act the same way and have the same intelligence?

How would evolution and breeding get them to be so different in shape and size, but not change the brain as well?

>>61975009
They have the free speech to do so, and we have the free speech to call them idiot hypocrites for it

>>61973793
real life reeeeee
it's great

>>61975411
>it is not liable to serve you either
Unless you don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding

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>>61974552
Ayyy man das raycis

>>61974293
link?

>>61974980
>predicting the hidden service's descriptor

no

>>61974348
> far more potential than criminals

I suppose it depends how unchecked they are.

>>61977884
Why can't you hate a group of people who hate you for your color even though you did nothing to them?

>>61974779
Maybe because hard drugs are so, well, "enthralling" that people can rarely truly stop once it sets in? you can get addicted to heroin in the first few tries quite seriously, and Meth fucks with your dopamine receptors for months if you try to stop.
Then again Alcohol is literal fucking poison

>>61975124
Thanks for your valuable contributions in this thread - not really.

If youre so fucking superior why dont you bypass the jews and find another way to communicate you fucking brainlet
This technology has existed for 50+ years
Open up some fucking man pages if youre so hellbent on having your shitty fucking community
Stop fucking cucking yourself retard
Just host a fucking irc
Or a bbs
Write a fucking text zine
Do something
Stop posting this shit because youre too fucking stupid to fix youre own problems

>>61978428
this is how sessions is going to get them

it's gonna be a shoah

>>61973793
Yep, the alt-cucks are against any kind of freedom of speech but theirs, you butthurt because people finally see through your ridiculous rhetoric?

>>61973817
/thread

>>61976601
Swt hopefully they keep up with anonymity

>>61977023
I've heard most cp the kids appear to enjoy themselves

>>61977181
Nothing on the books yet, but for someone who complained about bakeries having to bake those cakes, they should see this TOR post as a victory. A company is standing up and doing what they want to do, instead of binding their work by some regulatory practice. They are freely disassociating from a group. This is an ideological victory for the right.

>>61977913
An Internet post is not a thought. It's an Internet post. You're eating up someone else's bandwidth and using someone else's protocols to spew your shit. They can denounce and potentially block you at client level if they wish. ISPS too if they get involved. Don't like it, go build your own lines and protocol.

>>61978052
That would make sense considering most people who own pits train them to attack and don't do so as often with the other dogs.

It'd be useful to instead see numbers on baby pits, or pits that are kept in the house, pampered, and treated like other pets instead of attack dogs.

>>61978006
Obviously, but if they want to make things more difficult for a group and that group is too stupid to figure out how to get around it, that's that groups problem.

>>61978268
>no reason
She was covered in ice water, her scent probably knocked off and she looked different from what the pit usually sees.
If that family trained that dog, on a chain I might add, to attack people, she had it coming.

Nowhere in that video was there any proof that that was some family dog treated well that was taught to play with humans. The chain, rather, implies it's being used as a guard dog and the humans in the video got way too comfortable and performed an act that could mask identity from the dogs perspective.