/hpg/ - Headphone General

I linked the wrong one, this is actually the previous thread: >>61956384

>>61968381
Who is this semen demon?

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HD600 trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

I've been using some Sennheiser HD 540 reference from the 80s which belonged to my dad for as long as I can remember, but since they may completely break down any day now I'm looking to do some research.
Are these any good for today's standards?
If so what price range would be acceptable if I wanted new headphones with similar quality? Some examples?
Thanks and excuse my ignorance in the field.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

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>>61968690
glomf

>>61968635
>HD540
Got succeeded at some point by HD580, then HD600, which is what I have/recommend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZTKCMRzHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Es9S9tXTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaR34WTjYt4

>>61968778
Thanks for the info, I will look into these. Are there any similar models that are not oval shaped though?

>>61969190
Sennheiser favors oval-shaped, because that's sensible (ears aren't round). I'm not aware they have anything fullsized which isn't.

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In this moment, I am euphonic. Not because of any colored frequency response. But because I am enlightened by my own neutrality.

What are the best wireless IEMs I can use for riding bike?

>>61970532
It's unsafe to ride a bike with headphones on as you are less aware of your surroundings. Please don't do this.

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>>61970499
>neutrality

>>61970652
Neutrality.

>>61970652
Is there anything more neutral than that at the same price?

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>>61970745
there's something more neutral at $50 less.

>>61970791
pic not related

>>61970791
Which headphone is the bottom one I bet it sounds really nice. The top one can't into midrange.

>>61970839
>Bottom one can't into anything else

>neutral
>posts niggerbass shitmids pic

>>61970826
>>61970839
>sennshills this fucking delusional

>>61970852
>No bass is poorly sealed
>Flat bass is nigger bass

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>tfw multibit

>>61970852
500-1000hz is isn't mids
flat sub bass isn't niggerbass
You're just a fucking retard who can't into graphs

>>61970562
I have eyes and mirrors

>>61970875
but no brain apparently

>>61970874
>500-1000hz is isn't mids
:D :D :D

>>61970839
>can't into midrange
>top graph has smoother mids
>flat, accurate sub-bass and mid bass
>smoother yet non rolled off treble

kek. literally can't read graphs

>>61970891
Have you ever used a bike? You don't need to be aware of anything, it's safe. I'm mostly doing 10%+ climbs or singletrail so I'm not going fast anyway

>>61970895
isn't.500-1000hz isn't midrange
2-5k is.

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>>61970911
>You don't need to be aware of anything
brainlet

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what do you guys think of this graph?

>>61970936
you don't

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>>61970791
Tinny and veiled.

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>>61970914
>500-1000hz isn't midrange

>>61970791
Name?

>>61970964
>As supposed to no bass and veiled :^)

>>61970964
You do realize the second graph has treble that dips way below the treble of the first graph, right? While managing to be lumpier? The second graph also has a dip in the mid-range that would make it sound much "tinnier" than the first.


Besides the fact that calling flat mids "tinny" is retarded.

>>61970936
That fucking Datsun, beautiful.

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I like how the strawpoll in the last thread proved how much DiPolar samefags as anon.

>>61971054
>DiPolar samefagging
You've claimed this for months, but you've never got any proof in return

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>>61971054
No one really cares about the two graphs but the Sennheiser shills defending their "neutral" headphones

>>61971013
>You do realize the second graph has treble that dips way below the treble of the first graph, right?
Response above 9 kHz is rather inconsequential compared to the veiled treble above 4 kHz on the top measurement.
>lumpier
DiPolar pls.
>tinny
If you look at >>61970986 the top graph is objectively much tinnier than the bottom graph, DiPolar.

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What are the best noise-cancelling headphones for my ADHD?

>>61971054
>LE PERSONAL BOOGEYMAN IS SAMEFAGGING

you've never proven anything. your memephone gets shat on by the top graph and now you just highlight random parts of it and put some adjectives next to it as an argument.

graph one is a much better headphone, suck it up.

>>61971099
>Le DiPolar boogeyman
Hello, Sennshill! How did you feel not being able to defend the headphones you shill and don't own?

>>61971099
>s-stop it boogeyman!

he hasn't even posted yet. let's face facts here, headphone one is better measuring than headphone two.

>>61971121
>Le Sennshill boogeyman
Hello, Dipolar! How did you feel not being able to defend the headphones you shill and don't own?

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>hd600
>neutral
>mfw dipolar was right

>>61971153
>I'm just gonna copy what he said!

how clever

>>61971173
It's valid.

>>61971153
>yfw you can't call Sennheiser shills "Sennshill" due to that one tripfag
Maybe some day you'll be able to afford the headphones you constantly shill for, dear anon

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>>61971139
According to actual /hpg/ and not just you constantly samefagging, this is false.

>>61971178
>it's valid because I said so!

no. >>61971156
this is valid
>hrtf shitposter literally doesn't understand hrtf

>>61971054
It was funny when he conveniently "forgot" to post with his trip a couple threads ago >>61950960

Goes to show that he's here shitposting both with and without the tripcode on, probably even samefagging his own posts to stir the pot

I'm look for an external headphone amp and dac like this one

amazon.com/Syba-SD-DAC63057-Stereo-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B009WN7QT4/

I have been using this one for about 5 years now but the left channel gave out today. I like it for the easy way you switch between headphones and speakers with the rca out on the back with one button. I'm basically looking for a dac/amp combo with rca out that you can easily switch between. My current pair of headphones are the HD 558s so it doesn't have to be something super great.

>>61971197
>Post graph
>Everyone jumps onto it
>Post graph next thread
>No one cares
>Straw Poll the next thread
>No one still cares
Really makes you think

>>61971202
>immediately mentioning he forgot his trip after a post
>next post he does
>this is somehow proof he samefags

literally delusional

>>61971202
>The same thing happened with Sennshill

>>61971200
Nope, again with the obvious misinterpretation of studies.

>>61971239
You called?

>>61971243
>Inb4 more THD is better
>yfw DiPolar was right all along

>>61971226
>>61971202

>bunch of sennshills vote #1 first time
>the truth is revealed
>"f-ffuck my precious headphone!"
>next thread gets a strawpoll
>they fucking jump on #2 rather than admitting to being retarded

don't kid yourself

>>61971259
Nah. No DiPolar yet, tripfag

>>61971243
>anything that doesn't fit my ideas is an obvious misinterpretation!

kek

>>61971266
>shilling the audeze since despite numerous reviewers citing its flaws and despite not owning the headphones

Stop

> all this discussion about hd600
> tfw I bough the 650 instead

Guess I made the right choice ;)

>>61971284
>Implying it isn't to trigger the Sennheiser shills not owning the headphone
I shiggy diggy

>>61971303
You're both guilty of it, now shut up.

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>>61971310
Make me

Found what I was looking for no thanks to you retard niggers getting asshurt about some shitty headphones

amazon.com/FX-Audio-Optical-Coaxial-Amplifier/dp/B01HERNVFM

>>61970791
> closed
> on ear

Instant trash

>>61971361
Nigga, that wasn't the point of the two graphs in the first place, before both headphones were revealed

>>61971289
You won't regret it Anon, but to be honest you'd be happy with either one. There's not a big difference between the two

>>61971379
Whatever the point, it's mute.

>>61971319
>i want to be retarded
Eh? Fine.

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>>61971390
?

>>61971420
Might as well get a trip if your reaction image folder is so small. You're cancerous enough anyways.

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>tfw too intelligent for FR graphs

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>>61971434
I like it that way. What was your point anyway, anon?

>>61971451
Not the same anon. Get a trip so non-shitposters can filter you, thanks.

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>>61971459
Gee wiz, anon. If I was getting you that mad, you could have just asked!

>>61971475
>wanting to increase the already abysmal SNR of these threads is being mad
(you)

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>>61971479
There's no stopping it!

>get home from work
>half the thread is about me and the delusions of sennheiser shills

Guise pls

>>61971531
Ayy, welcome back!

>>61971531
You brought this upon yourself, shitposter.

Damage control

>>61971559
>Being this angry
Kek

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>>61971531
>gets home from work
>goes straight to hpg
>is fat

>>61971588
>Chink shit snap-prone headband

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Headphones for brainlets.

>>61971612
At least it doesn't snap anymore

>>61971586
>keeps calling me fat

What do you get out of this? I weigh 150 and I lift 4 times a week you scrub.

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>>61971588
nope

Why does innerfidelity claim the hifiman he400s is better than the sennheiser hd600?

>>61971586
>Fat
>Compared to the Sennheiser owner with Twix for toes

>>61971864
Because frequency response isn't everything and headphones are subjective

Oh if the Anon who wanted thd sweeps for my speakers is reading this. I checked for it today and they're no longer saved. We replaced our desktops 2 years ago and I'm assuming only saved necessary things. My bad.

You can take what I said with a grain of salt until I either a.have the will power to bring them back to our anechoic chamber for measurements again or b.upgrade another pair of Alon IVs in a similar manner to mine.

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>>61971841
lol I bet you can't even bench 2 plate.

>>61971882
Can you give me an example of something objective? I'm not sure you know what the difference between objective and subjective actually is.

>>61971923
I don't understand? Are headphones really objective, anon?

Quick guys, put on your best face. We have some visitors from Reddit here! Hi, /u/casuallycommunist, we hope you have a great time during your stay at /hpg/!

>>61971923 >>61971950
>Sennheiser HD600 are the best < $400 headphones in the market.
Objective.
>I hate sennheiser, so I shitpost literally no treble, no bass, snap snap.
Subjective.

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I saw this on slickdeals. They look really nice for $109. No referral or coupon or anything. I heard ultrasones are great for electronic music like Trance, House, DNB.
https://slickdeals.net/f/10467116-ultrasone-s-logic-closed-back-stereo-headphones-hfi-780-109-hfi-580-89-free-shipping-ac

As an aside: Does anyone have any opinions on ultrasone headphones? They make a ton of models and I never see anyone mention them but this is the only board I use.

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Get on my level earlets

>>61971950
Can you clearly explain the difference between something objective and something subjective or not?

>>61971975
Who the fuck is he? Why'd you visit Reddit?

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>>61971905
I bench 2 plate as my max I'll be totally honest. I need to start bulking up and I'm aware of that. Gonna get some cottage cheese and peanuts next time at the store.

Btw I'd like to thank the Anon who made me aware of the monoprice desktop amp. A bud going to college bought my musiland md10 so I needed something to power my he-400is I'll be ordering soon. This little guy works well with my Cb-1s so I'm exciting to see how it performs with planars.

>>61971994
Hi there, I hope you have a wonderful time here. We at /hpg/ are proud of our inclusive community.

>>61971978
>Sennheiser HD600 are the best < $400 headphones in the market
How can I take you seriously, anon? May I have a pic + timestamp of your headphones?

>>61972014
>How can I take you seriously, anon? May I have a pic + timestamp of your headphones?
Subjective. Knowing if the messenger has this or that headphone doesn't change the facts about it.

>>61971990
You have pretty eyes OwO

>>61972009
>Quick guys, put on your best face. We have some visitors from Reddit here! Hi, /u/casualycommunist, we hope you have a great time during your stay at /hpg/!
That tells me nothing on why you visited Reddit. Kek. You're as bad as that faggot it; please go back, anon

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>>61970499
>I am euphonic

>>61972008
Would you recommend the 400i over the 4xx massdrop going on right now? I don't mind waiting, but if I don't have to, then I don't see the point of it.

>>61972039
Anon, please don't discriminate against our friends from Reddit. That's no way to treat a new user. We should strive to welcome users from all backgrounds.

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>>61972035
>He doesn't own the headphones
Top kek. Opinion discarded

>>61972061
nobody here actually owns headphones this entire general is just a prank

>>61971978
Objective:
>Sennheiser hd600s have little/no sub-bass and an extremely obvious treble roll-off past 8k which are both shown by repeated measurements of frequency response by various sources. They also have a high amount of distortion in the bass region like most dynamic driver headphones, as shown by various sources.
Subjective:
>Flat sub-bass is niggerbass and treble that isn't rolled off is ear-rape! Also, anyone who calls out my headphones obvious and still unaddressed issue of a fragile headband is a shitposter because I said so!
>>61971923
Protip: if someone uses these phrases nonchalantly when describing headphones but shills the hd600s/calls them neutral they're usually retarded.

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>>61972060

>>61972035
>calls something subjective
>calls the same thing factual
So you actually don't know what the word subjective even means, nor do you even own a pair so as to form any intelligent opinion of them.

With the school year starting relatively soon, I want some cheap IEMs that I can wear without getting a giant dent in my hair like I would with my full sized ones.

>Budget
Under $50 (preferably as low as possible)

>Location
US

>Source
Only into my phone (s7)

>Type of headphone
IEMs

>Comfort level
Nothing too fancy, just ones that I'll be able to where for extended periods of time and/or while moving without hurting my ears.

>Past headphones
I've used some cheap IEMs from the dollar store just because they're cheap, but you can probably guess how that went (most of them break after a couple months).

>>61972093
>literally no bass!!
>literally no treble!!
>those saying it's neutral are retarded!!
>I'm not a sennhater, I'm reasonable!!
DiPolar in a nutshell.

>>61972137
>I have no HD 600s but I will shill and shitpost them anyway!!!!
Literally you

>>61972057
Depends on how you feel about floating headbands and non floating headbands. The focus cups are supposed to provide better comfort but different treble extension than the he-400i. The difference between the two headphones is a different kind of connector for the cup and the frame otherwise. Drivers are identical.

I'd say go with the he-4xx because if you're willing to wait, you'll be getting a killer deal.

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>>61970873
>multibit
Is it a meme or it does make a difference?

>>61972093
He's secretly paranoid about having made a mistake. It's your basic bitch tier insecurity you get from kids in their late teens, early twenties who are probably autistic. He'll just continue to misappropriate terms to try and sound intelligent while falling for the lowest hanging fruit.

>>61972152
>continuing to meme this when dipolar doesn't even own the headphones he's recommended either
You're only hurting yourself. Dipolar will say himself that it is possible to interpret headphones from graphs, and it isn't necessary to own the headphones to recommend them.

>>61972137
>graphs show lack of sub bass and treble roll-off

yeah they're not neutral in any objective sense. They're mid centric memecans.

>>61972159
Yeah that's what I thought. I actually already ordered them a few days ago, but nobody talks about hifimans in a favorable way around here so I kept my mouth shut. You're the first person I've seen mention buying/owning a pair that didn't have a mouthful of shit at the same time.

Have you tried the m1060 for comparison btw? Seems there are lots of mixed opinions about those in comparison to the he400s/400i apart from slightly better bass extension in the m1060.

>>61972171
>Neither owns the headphones
Then at least post your headphones before we assume you're a hobo-tier PortaPro poorfag

>>61972171
>I don't own the headphones

I own most of the headphones I've recommended and/or an iteration of them that's similar. Either that, or I've at least heard the headphone on more than one occasion because a friend or family member owns it (in the case of the ath-msr7 one of my best childhood friends owns a pair and swears by them. After trading sets for a week I agree as well).

>>61968627
>/ourheadphones/

>>61972115
KZ ZS5 with Spinfit/Spiraldot tips

>>61972211
Does it matter? Are you unable to attack their ideas, so you must use as hominem instead?

>>61972237
So it is okay to recommend headphones you do not own. Glad we agree on this.

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If anyone is posting in this thread right now who hasn't at least worn and heard a pair of HD600/650s, get the FUCK out.

>>61972259
>Not posting headphones to prove he isn't a poorfag
Whatever you say, PortaPro poorfag :^)

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>>61968381
I'm buying my first headphones, I've cut it down to two :

>Sennheiser HD 600

>Philips Fidelio X2

Pic related is what I listened in the past week, which one would you recommend? Thanks!

>>61972272
FYI I get better sound quality than you because I EQ my $3 Walmart shitbuds to HD800 performance.

>>61972275
If you like the oogabass, get the X2. Based on your tastes though I'd suggest the HD600.

>>61972275
HD 600 for ""neutral"". Fidelio X2 for nice nigger bass and durability. They're two completely different headphones, but i'd recommend the 600s. Bassy headphones aren't for me

>>61972161
Bump

Can someone recommend overear headphones that dont require a fucking amp. I just want something I can bring with me when I travel that I can plug into my Ipod

>>61972328
M40x are decent beater headphones

>>61972290
>Buying
>Not making your own
>Not strapping two bookshelf speakers to your ears
Your loss

>>61972198
There's a hifishop in my area that stocked the m1060. They're pretty amazing in the sense that they offer a ton of similarities soundwise to the audeze lcd-2. Switching between them it's very hard to tell them apart. Personally, I didn't hear any ringing or Ortho wall issues with them, but Im not entirely sure it's something that persists with use. Something along the lines of the diaphragm stretching out over time.

Here's the thing. Mechanical break in for conventional dynamic drivers is most certainly a bunch of dribble. BUT, planar magnetic drivers are an entirely different animal. The voice coil is typically glued to a mylar sheet, it is not separate from the vibrating surface. This would mean that over time, the diaphragm stretches and the voice coil loosens up. The ringing experienced on the first few hours could be the result of that stiff diaphragm.

The planar magnetic break in applies to speakers as much as headphones. This is why a pair of brand new magnepans take a few days or even months to sound their absolute best, outside of a person's ears adjusting for sound quality.

>>61972328

beats

any of them really, they're all solid.

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>>61972339
/hpg/ is degenerate.

>>61972314
>>61972315
I listen to a lot off Shingo Nakamura like : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZqKbTGz54E

Sometimes some Daft Punk and Future Funk, will the HD 600s not deliver?

I'm scared off getting the Fidelio X2 and not getting the best quality on Classical and Folk Music but Getting the H600S and not getting the thump when listening to the link I sent you, what if I had an headphone amp?

>>61971446

Those cords get me every time

Is it true you need to wait a couple days / weeks until your headphones reach their normal state?

>>61972349
Arent those really meme tier headphones for black people and hypebeasts. There has to be better options out there that dont make you look like you know nothing about technology

Why does the bass on the HD650s give me a headache?

Been listening to nujabes and it suddenly sounds terrible. Sounds muffled and too aggressive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PlCYCryIg

I come from shit tier 40€ headphones (creative fatal1ty form years ago). Those headphones are just bass with nothing else but they never made me feel uncomfortable listening to bassy music.

>>61971101

QC35

>>61972323
It's a very subtle difference, most noticeable is cymbals sound more lifelike. When I use my fulla 2 as the DAC it has just a hint of that "digital" fake shimmery sound.

>>61972363
They'll deliver bass, but it's not going to be crazy. The muddiness with bass heavy headphones is a much bigger downside than the slightly mid bassy HD600 in my opinion.

>>61972385
fucking love that song, god tier.

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How's pic related?

>>61972381
I mean, apple bought them out, so they must be good.


jk, I'll stop jerkin ya around. Uh, I like this anon's suggestion

>>61972336

But what's your budget?

>>61972346
The reason I ultimately held back from springing the extra dollarydoos for the m1060 is because I had read around that they can be modded into mini LCD-2s with a simple pad swap for the vegan pads. But alas, those are discontinued and I can't seem to find them sold anywhere anymore. I'm not savvy enough to really know if another similar pad to the vegans exists which would give the same modification to the sound signature so I didn't want to risk it when, as you say, the he4xx are a steal at the price they're offering right now (168$ I believe).

>>61972385
>muffled, too agressive
Maybe source doesn't provide enough power? What amp are they plugged to?

>>61970936


I live near that road. The bicyclists are fucking assholes here.

>>61972363
>I'm scared off getting the Fidelio X2 and not getting the best quality on Classical and Folk Music but Getting the H600S and not getting the thump
HD650

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>>61972405
Alright, if anything I can just get an amp right? I'm new.

Btw how much off a difference will music feel? I've spent 2 decades listening to music on crappy 30$ headphones or earphones and crappy speakers, will it be like arriving at a new planet in the movie Avatar or am I getting to hyped?

What are some good VOIP microphones? I was looking at the AT2020. Are there any other good ones that are not usb?

>>61972418
Gamershit. $35 chink cans with an added mic.
They're perceived as good by gamers because they chose the correct cheap chink cans.

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>>61972418
No idea about that one, but in general

>>61972444
>>61972363
This

>>61972275
>>61972363
HD650

>>61972363
>I'm scared off getting the Fidelio X2 and not getting the best quality on Classical and Folk Music
The coloring is going to destroy classical music.
>>61972444
>HD650 suggestion
The coloring is going to destroy classical music _and_ won't make daft punk/etc any better. The difference in bass with HD600 is minimal and literally not perceiveable after getting used to either cans, but the treble is significantly more rolled off on HD650.

>>61972451
I bought a pair of M50x last year, going from Koss Porta Pro. Just that improvement was amazing, you will probably be satisfied.

>>61972451
It'll be a huge difference, but you might need a week to fully appreciate. After a week, switch back to your old shit and you'll be amazed at how bad it sounds. If you want to add bass, it's better to use a PEQ than an amp's bass boost. I'd suggest Equalizer APO + Peace GUI.

>>61972380
no, the "break in" myth has been falsified

>>61972275
HD 650 is the answer

>>61972515
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/evidence-headphone-break

>>61972385
>Been listening to nujabes and it suddenly sounds terrible. Sounds muffled and too aggressive
>suddenly sounds terrible

That could be from temporary hearing loss. Do you listen to your music very loud?

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>>61972503
>>61972511
>>61972512
>>61972522

So, HD650 OR HD600? I'm taking the plunge next month.

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>>61972529
Yeah, that article does a good job of debunking the break-in period myth, thanks.

>>61972451
>amp
Look into the Magni2. Getting the Fulla2, which will get you dac+amp, is a decent alternative that'll ensure you're not being screwed by your source's dac. Just beware you won't be able to make it very loud. YMMV whether that's ok.
A popular setup around here is fulla2 as dac + magni2 as amp.
An alternative that's popular for HD600/650 is DAC-X6. Just beware that one has high output impedance, so it won't drive headphones that are low (think <100 ohm) impedance well.

>>61972455
>>61972460
Received them yesterday as I got them on sales since my previous 20€ headphones broke. At first I was happy since it's still an upgrade but honestly it's no good. It can't into whispers / whispery / some sharp sounds, instead makes frustrating noises for some notes. Some specific songs got worse if I had to compare to my previous cheap ones. I can't believe you get so many videos praising them upon googling "HyperX Cloud II" talking about "amazing sound quality" and other shits.

They'll do for the time being but I'm seriously considering expensive headphones now.

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>>61972559
Give these vids >>61968778 a quick watch, then sleep on it.

>>61972551
>Do you listen to your music very loud?
Comparatively to _everyone_ I know, no. The complete opposite

>>61972559
650. 600 is lacking sub bass

>>61972559
Sorry mate, I haven't compared them so have no idea, I think the 650s are supposed to be more "fun" and the 600 more neutral.
I just say that you will notice an improvement going from $30 to $400 headphones.

>>61972559
650s are superior. Their coloring can be eliminated with very little EQ and you end up having a better 600

>>61972600
>>61972559
I second this

https://www.asus.com/us/Essence-Hi-Fi-Audio/Essence_STX_II/

is this thing good?

>>61972575
I'm familiar with them as coworkers use them at work, and we've done some exchanges for testing purposes.
They _are_ good at $50 or so, particularly considering they don't sound too bad for a gamer headset, and they have the convenience of the builtin mic. At more than that, they're a ripoff like all gamershit.
They're actually fine for some casual listening while at work, with the occassional conference call, but I vastly prefer my own setup. At work, that's fulla2 + HD380 Pro, with a shit desktop mic for the occassional conference.
Would I recommend them as your daily drivers for enjoying on your free time? Absolutely not.
For that I'd suggest HD600, HD579, HD558 in that order, according to your budget.

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>>61972575
Expensive headphones are the kind of investment you can make with the same thought-process you might use to justify purchasing something like a larger monitor with a higher refresh rate.

Is a 1080p TN panel @ 60hz all you need? Probably. But is it really enjoyable? Ehhh. Once you've gotten used to a 4K IPS panel, or a 1080p IPS @ 144hz, there's really no comparison. It's just night and day. I'd go back and make that purchase again every time, no hesitation.

Headphones, same thing. Once I actually caved and picked up a pair of m40x, I was already like "holy shit, okay there's something to this audiophile thing". So my next upgrade was a pair of senn HD600s. I can honestly say, it's the best investment you can make into your entertainment setup, hands down.

Consider, you have five physical senses. Two of those are what you mainly use to interact with a computer. Eyes? Good monitor, check. But what about ears? It's half the experience you're missing out on. Why not upgrade that too?

>>61972593 >>61972600
HD600 will sound better with no EQ.
Of course, any tweak you want to do, you can of course do with EQ with either headphone.

>>61972559
650

>>61972614
You always want to get an external audio processor. Internals fuck with the sound because of the electrical noise. It translates into an audible hiss that causes distortion to all frequencies. It's actually extremely loud and annoying if you use an amp too.

>>61972637
>>61972643
Cheers. Music's quite important to me and I recently found means of getting extra money so I'd be tempted to go for an HD600/650 right now.
I recently changed my whole computer and didn't go cheap on some parts so I know where you're coming from about the investment thing.

I'll need to think this through and also learn a bit more about all of this. I've never had an amp or whatever, don't even know if I need one, always ever used my onboard sound.

>>61972575
A long time ago I bought the Siberia v2 since I thought I was gonna start using them in games, and didn't know about >>61972460 So when I got them and tried them on they sounded shit compared to my Koss Porta Pros, never really used them. Some gaming forums I had read about them on praised the sound in them.
So the conclusion is, gamers can't into audio.

>They'll do for the time being but I'm seriously considering expensive headphones now.
You could try getting the M50x or something similar, for me they felt like a huge improvement and don't cost so much, maybe like $150. There's also the DT 770 for around the same price, don't know which are better, think the DT 770 might need an amp too.

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>>61972583
Does this sound any better compared to the file you were listening to?

https://my.mixtape.moe/hspcxz.flac

Youtube sound quality is shit. The song itself is also pretty muddy, with a DR of only 4

>>61972559
Keep in mind that ultimately, they're more similar than they are different, but HD600 hands off.
That's something there's large concensus of, among headphone reviewers.
>>61972699
Some onboard sound chipsets have an actual amp built in. See your manufacturer's website for the board; it's usually marketed.
As a start, your board will in any event suffice. You can always get a dac+amp thing later on if you feel it necessary.

>>61972699
If you do invest in a pair of HD600/650s (which are honestly a great entry point and even end-game for most people) take note that they are 300 ohms, which means you will need a headphone amp to increase the signal strength coming from your sound source, otherwise they will sound too quiet.

Luckily amps are very cheap, I would recommend either the Fulla 2 dac/amp combo from Schiit audio, or the Magni 2, also from schiit audio if you don't need a dac. (Just think of a dac as a soundcard that processes audio at high fidelity, like a soundblaster Z or asus xonar would do).

Another pro for the magni 2 is that he has different options you can choose from at your time of purchase. For instance, if you need RCA outputs that bypass the amplifier and relay the signal straight to your powered desktop speakers, the "uber" version has those outputs, whereas the basic magni 2 non-uber does not.

There are a lot of amps you can look into that will all drive a pair of HD600s fairly well, but most of them will cost more than the magni 2, which is only 99$ USD and comes highly recommended from most people, including most of /hpg/ as far as I know.

>>61972423
really dont have a set budget, just dont want to spend a fortune on a pair of headphones. I guess <$200

>>61972800
MSR7

>>61971446
>>61972378

>not using standoffs
>headphones over eyewear
>glass over wooden table

Fucking pleb

>>61972728
I have it in flac quality too. The issue starts around the 21st second mark. That thump "boom boom boo-boom". Sounds like I'm clipping audio in audacity. Looking at the spectrum on foobar the track isn't too far 0dB around 70Hz

What are your thoughts on the Objective2 Amp and ODAC?

>>61971156
>noise from a frontal loudspeaker
>frontal
The key word here is frontal. The sound of a frontal loudspeaker is not relevant here. See: http://hauptmikrofon.de/theile/1986-3_Standardization-of-studio-headphones_JAES-1986.pdf
>A study of recent work on the properties of spatial hearing shows that the free-field equalization applied to headphones cannot produce good results. A more satisfactory equalization is obtained by reference to the diffuse field...

>>61972904
Both very good. In this world of marginal value, there is basically no difference and whatever you get that costs about the same as those (or just those) will be fine.

>>61972939
Would it make a difference with a pair of M50x? Also would it make a difference be worth it to buy only the amp?

>>61972926
>uses loudspeakers and hd600s as reference
>literally concludes with inverse equalization to compensate for the damping of resonances within the ear canal for headphones
>recent study
>1986

moron.

>>61972904
Shit

>>61972978
With a pair of m50x, you really don't need to invest into dac/amps that cost that much because you won't hear a difference. You're better off using the money to invest into a better pair of headphones in the 200~300$ USD range.

Something as simple as a Fulla 2 combo dac/amp would be more than sufficient to drive the ath m50x.

>>61973006
Headroom still uses diffuse field compensation in 2017 for their graphs. Literally nobody uses free field (frontal) compensation in 2017 for their graphs.

>>61972800
Look into HD579.

>>61973071
>For traveling

>>61972978
m50x aren't competitive at their price. Also, the cheaper m40x are uniformly considered better.

>>61973082
mkay, don't waste too much money then. I'd suggest on-ears. The portapros are popular and decent for the price (~$35).

>>61973042
>Literally nobody uses free field
This is true but why is nobody using the harman target either?

>>61973006
Headphones do not present spectral properties similar to that of frontal speakers:
http://hauptmikrofon.de/theile/1986-3_Standardization-of-studio-headphones_JAES-1986.pdf Section 2.2 Objections to the Free-Field Equalization
Free-field (frontal) equalization in headphones produces linear distortions referred to as "tone color defects." Therefore, HD600's accuracy relative to frontal speakers is completely irrelevant in terms of its perceived neutrality.

>>61973145
rtings partially does

>>61973145
I've seen more than one website use the Harman target or an approximation of it. I fundamentally disagree with the Harman target, however, because it was developed using non loudness compensated listening tests. Its bass boost is very likely the result of well-established listener preference for louder music, as boosting the bass in the listening tests boosted the overall volume.

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>>61973083
I already have the M50x, seems like I may have made a less good purchase then.

>>61973179
They're fine, but a bit overpriced

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Is this a good EQ to fix the nosedive on the HD650s bellow 100Hz or is it a bit overkill and too bassy? I'm using headroom's measurements as a basis

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-1&graphID[]=853&scale=30

>>61973250
You need to push down the midbass as well.

>>61973250
>I want to EQ to an online graph
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/how-to-automatically-eq-your-headphones-to-online-measurements-a-step-by-step-guide.854773/

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>>61972079

Looking for over ears for the office, preferrably Bluetooth under $300

Any recs?

>>61973179
They're not bad, but for the amount of money you spend on a new pair right now you can easily get something way better used - like new/very good condition off amazon.

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Man, I wanted to order a pair of monolith m1060 headphones and do the audeze leather-free vegan pad mod but the vegans are totally fucking gone, and not coming back ever.

RIP m1060, you never had a chance in this cruel world.

>>61973436
>Vegan pad mod
What?

>>61973458
Do you need me to teach you how to use google, kiddo?

So what's the catch with the HD600 for you guys to meme it so much?

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>>61973479
>still using Google
>2017

>>61973479
Yes please, senpai

>>61973502
they want everyone else to hear the shitty music you are listening to with their open back nonsense

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What's /hpg/ listening to tonight?

I'm jamming out to some ozric tentacles

>>61973502
None of the shills own them.

Example: >>61973477

>>61973502
There's no catch. It really is great. The tripfag's autism simply encourages support of the HD600 lately.

>>61973534
>The tripfag's autism
Sennshill certainly seems like that fellow

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>>61973504
>>61973506
http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=audeze+leather+free+vegan+pads

>>61973477
>Snap

>>61973548
Thanks, famalam

Which websiet is usually more trustworthy for headphone measurements?

Innerfedilty, headroom, personalaudio, goldenears, something else?

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>>61973516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IIiivffC2s

>>61973502
basically a headphone that isn't neutral pushed as a neutral blanket solution for everyones situation regardless of budget or requested form factor. It has lots of build quality and durability issues and no lower bass or treble, but if you bring that up the shills just say "nigger bass" or "ear rape" treble if another headphone has better frequency response than the hd600s. Sennshills also commonly misinterpret audio studies to fit their narrative (hence the harmonic distortion doesn't mean anything argument used against planars).

It was made in 1997 as well, and its popularity is simply due to age and being the first of its kind/performance back in the late 90s. Much better options exist

>>61973477
> vigorous bass

headphone humor thread?

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>>61973600
Don't trust this poster he has an irrational hate for sennheiser. For example he will refer to HD600 as having build quality issues yet recommend hifiman which has a reputation for bad quality control and pic related.

>>61973600
>Much better options exist
But no examples at the same price are given with the exception of the Sine meme which isn't even open

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>>61973618
Headphone humor thread.

https://www.cnet.com/news/nura-headphones-tailor-their-sound-to-your-ears/

>>61973629
>Implying the HD 600s don't have build issues themselves

>>61973645
> Everyone receives different sound frequencies in different ways

This is true though

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>>61973666
Sorry, anon. I was referencing the headphone inside the article

>200ish
>USA
>PC (soundblaster z whatever)
>Over ear
>Either
>Very high, I have large ears
>Balanced
> NVX XPT100 AKG Q701's

Thinking about the philips x2. I Want something rugged and comfy.

>>61973707
>Fidelio X2
>Balanced
Come on, anon

>>61973707
HD579

>>61973762
* I would rather have more rugged and comfortable headphones then totally balanced ones.

>>61973785
>HD579
Aren't senhiser's prone to plastic cracking? that's what killed my last pair.

>>61973808
Nah, they've revised that issue on the stuff affected. The 579 is a newer model anyways.

>>61973629
Oh cool one example
Here's more >>61971856

>>61973808
Sennheiser has fixed that issue. Fidelio X2s are built like tanks and are really comfy, but are a bit heavier than other headphones. They're nice headphones if you don't mind its bassy sound signature

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>>61973516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5bGQ6L_fQA

>>61973816
>>61973855
Thanks They look nicer then the older ones I've seen. Plus cheaper then the Philips, and have bigger holes for my ears. Also 1 day shipping since my headphones literally just cracked in half I want something ASAP.

>>61973516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cChxXVNNnuU&list=PLZOGfjv5kC1i3gqre7wpuGOVd4P69N55k

>>61973883
Have fun, anon

>>61973883
Which headphones were they? Post pic so we have more shitposting fuel either way.

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>>61973516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oyti58LzS8

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>>61973825
>one example

Can you guys recommend an audio listening device? Something cheap

>>61973707
Dt880

>>61973962
Would you care giving us another example, dear anon? Want to see how far your headband stretches 'till it snaps? :^)

>>61973962
Those were 12 examples

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>>61973903
NVX XPT100's They're the same as... A brainwavez something I think.

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>>61973516
The best chiptunes I have ever heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z0AQ_Rszlw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssB6r-V9v_U

>>61974093
Are those... yours?

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Kek. Anon must be searching for more

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>>61973516
Because you liked ulrich schnauss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GW6sLrK40k

>>61971856
>retards break headphones
Shocker, owned my 650s for almost 7 years now and they haven't even come close to snapping

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>>61974291
Mind showing us your headphones, anon?

>it's another "troll posts same few pictures of people who can't take care of their belongings like adults" episode

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>>61973516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxoqm05c7yA

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I posted here a few days ago about looking for planar over ears at about 600-700$ price tag. I've narrowed down to he560, el-8, or saving a bit more for aeons. Thoughts/suggestions hpg? Any other good cans I'm missing?

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>>61974359
Mind proving me wrong by stretching the headband yourself, anon? Or is it another "I don't actually own them, so I won't reply back" story?

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>>61974306
The only thing I have to take pictures with is my 3 year old smartphone so the picture quality isn't good. But I've dropped these quite a few times and they still look pretty good. I genuinely don't understand how you could snap these without doing it intentionally

>>61974394
There you go, anon! These are all shitposts. If you take care of your headphones, they should last pretty long. Just don't stretch the headband too far :^)

>>61974376
>prove me wrong by abusing your headphones

>>61974374
Definitely do not spend that much money on Hifiman build quality and customer service.

>>61974425
No, of course not, anon. All I need you to do is stretch you headband just a bit. Unless if you don't actually own them, of course

>>61974419
>Just don't stretch the headband too far :^)
But why would I do that? Headphones go on your head not your speakers :^)

>>61974419
This.

All you shitposters need to realize that sure, Sennheisers CAN snap, but if you take care of them they shouldn't. If you try to break them, they will break. Just cause they are easier to break than other headphones does not mean they are made of glass.

>>61974439
I've heard things about that, what are the big issues? Is it just the two left/right cups thing? or are there other issues?

>>61974443
>Not taping bookshelf speakers to your ears
It's like you don't even want the best sound quality

>>61974374
Try to find a used pair of Audeze LCD-2s in good condition.

>>61974374
used lcd2's, he500's

>>61974509
>>61974514
These, to be honest
>>61974374

Found a 59$ ATH M30X on ebay, should i cop ?

>>61974547
If you are willing to go open, there are better headphones for the price

>>61974509
>>61974514
>>61974528
>used lcd2
I was thinking about that, I just don't know how big of a risk I would be taking buying a used pair of headphones. Are there any good sites that can confirm quality in their used products? I've never really trusted ebay with expensive purchases.

>>61974374
Used lcd-2 or save up a few more shekels for the aeon.

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If you like old school Daft Punk vibes, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Dd93PFRrQ>>61973516

Last post for the evening, cheers.

>>61974547
no

>>61974563
What do you mean by "willing to go open" ? Is it a worse choice ? And what better headphones ?
I don't know shit about headphones, enlighten me

Is ebay viable for when you're too poorfag to buy the headphones new? Or are there better options?

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>>61973317
This is what I got... not sure if I did something wrong

>>61974580
SHP9500S' regularly go one sale for close to $50, which are better than those you're looking at

>>61974580
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sennheiser-audiophile-over-the-ear-headphones-titan/1700513.p

>>61974566
amazon

>>61974580
>What do you mean "willingness to go open"?

https://www.turntablelab.com/pages/headphone-buying-guide-open-vs-closed-headphones

The SHP9500S would be nice for you; they're $55 right now on Newegg

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826138190&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

>>61968381
headphone generals have the best OP pics

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>>61974566
>I've never really trusted ebay with expensive purchases
I've had some really good experiences with ebay. If the item doesn't show up or shows up broken, you get your money back and don't have to pay shipping back. And Audeze supposedly has outstanding customer service on their headphones, even if you aren't the original owner.
I bought a pair of lcd2's on ebay today so I guess I'll see how everything goes in a week from now

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>>61974620
oh lol, didn't even think about that. Can used products on amazon still get warranties?

>>61974664
No, but if it's defective or not as promised you can return it because they have buyer/seller protection. I believe ebay has the same thing, but I've just found in my experience that amazon vendors are more trustworthy.

>>61974682
ahh ok. I'll look into this more.

>>61974644
post here when you get them

>>61974626
>>61974596
Damn, that sounds nice, except i live in France, which add about 40 (!) $ to the price of the SHP9500S, due to shipping costs, and importation fees... The M30 i saw come from Germany, so no importation fees to pay...

>>61974706
If you plan on buying those, I would see if you can at least find used M40Xs at a similar price.

>>61970791
Which is??? Is it the top one? but that one looks more bumpy and has a treble dip that is more noticeable in audio playback

I don't get the point of this graph since I don't even know what the 2 headphones are. Tell me what to buy damn it.

>>61974778
Those headphones are on-ears. They were just meant to rattle the Sennheiser shill with a bit of shitposting. They're the Audeze Sine

>>61974778
>>61974811
Sorry, top is the Audeze Sine, the bottom is the HD 600. Neither are perfect, to be honest

>>61974352
>>61974340
>>61974297
>>61974253
>>61974242
>>61974201
they fixed this with the last gen of headphones


how can i build my own headphones?