/pcbg/ - PC Bulding General

>tfw need more fans, but have to use a fan splitter
Any cons to them?

>>61965200
It works boys, it fucking works. Now all I need to do is cable manage and wait for my RMAd 1080TI to get here, and everything will be done.

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>>61965353
forgot picture LMAO

>>61965283
Cable management, depending on the length and size of the splitter
If you're splitting from your motherboard, most fan headers won't support more than 1 amp (12 watts), so don't overload a single header

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>GeForce 1060 is too slow
>GeForce 1080 is too expensive
>GeForce 1070 has an uneven digit

NOCTUA IS FINALLY NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE ASS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXg9xDze5U

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>>61965353
>>61965374
im actually waiting on my vega to get here
now i just need a pc to use it with...

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/PWTgM8

anything wrong with this?

Hi anons, I'm thinking about getting a R5 1600. Will it be an upgrade from my current i5 4690? If yes, is it significant enough?

>>61965580
Yes and yes

>>61965580
>>61965632
The price difference between the 1600 and 1600X is only $15 right now on Newegg, but the X doesn't come with a stock cooler
If you've got a third-party cooler already which is (or can be made) AM4 compatible, I'd recommend the higher model

>>61965632
Thanks. So what kind of performance increase would I be expected to have? In gaming and video encoding?
And should I pay an extra for the 1600X or is the 1600 good enough?

Ryzen or Intel?

AMD or Intel?

General gaming, programming and blender. Hope to be able to do GPUpassthrough with VMs.

No rush, so if its worth waiting on anything, then that's fair.

Also, what are these m.2 drives I keep seeing round?

>>61965674
Just get a B350 board and Ryzen, the 6 core variant is already smokng the 8350 rig I'm building, it should be plenty.

>>61965200
There's something charming about original Sailor Moon anime's style. Is it nostalgia?

>>61965374
Grats. Integrated GPU's are a godsend for booting your first build.

>>61965200
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/wip3out/saved/gfKvK8

any advices?
everyone tells me my psu is overkill and should change it. also idk which cooler should i pick (is on list), can i go more budget?, i want build pc which will last for a few years. i will play mostly games than office work.

>>61965674
M.2 is a new form factor for SSD's, uses a new connector
Lets them lie more or less flat along your motherboard instead of needing to be mounted somewhere in your case
Most new motherboards have at least one, high end boards will have two or three

But as mentioned in the OP, M.2 is a FORM FACTOR
You can find standard M.2 drives which use SATA connectivity (typically supplanting one of the board's standard SATA sockets), or NVMe M.2 drives which transmit data over dedicated PCIe lanes

Is an intel hd graphics card enough for watching 1080p videos or streams?

>>61965716
How much of a bottleneck is SATA3? Will there actually be a benefit of having it connected via PCI-E?

>>61965741
Lmao the 6700k has better graphics than a GT 610 video card.

>>61965741
You don't really get to pick and choose what Intel HD you get, but yes.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6wyrFd

Can I build something better? I have $400 more budget I can use if I have to. Pretty heavy gaming but I do stream occasionally.

>>61965757

Not even sure what intel hd it is, just wanted to know if it sufficient enough to watch streams/yt videos

>>61965773
Yeah it's plenty, even my core 2 duo Dell with 4500MHD from 10 years ago can play 60fps 720p.

>>61965748
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2899351/everything-you-need-to-know-about-nvme.html

>>61965763
>>61965789

puh thank you, just to be clear, the rig in question will have 8 gb ram an i5 7400 and intel hd,its for a friend that want really just watch some yt/streams

>>61965831
Seems kind of overkill for the equivalent of a facebook machine.

>>61965868

The only option atm it seems, i would go for a custom build but its just too much struggle to save 100 € and im not that experienced with hardare, minimazing error is top priority i think and if that build posted can watch videos stream reliably at decent resolutions, im happy (and hope he will be too). thanks for input

>>61965659
1600 is good enough if you plan on oc. If not get the x version.

>>61965766
that's good on its own.

>>61965996
Is there any difference in efficiency and OC potential between the 2?

>>61965766
>Paying for Windows 10

>>61965766
Maybe spring for the G.Skill Flare X RAM with better latency
Other than that, there's nothing much else to improve

>>61966020
The X versions may have a slightly higher overclocking ceiling, or slightly better voltages along the way

http://www.fsplifestyle.com/PROP163000554/
Is this FSP HD600 a good PSU to get? Or should I pay $25 more to get the Seasonic https://seasonic.com/product/m12ii-620-evo/ ?

>>61966062
I'll be honest, never heard of FSP before
I'd get a SeaSonic or an EVGA

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I have an R5 1600 (pic related)

I haven't built before so I'll ask here instead of being a retard.

The stock cooler has stock thermal paste applied, but build guides show people applying thermal paste between the CPU and mobo (where the connections meet)

will the stock cooler with the preapplied paste be good or will I fry my CPU unless I shill out on some paste between the mobo and CPU?

>>61966153
>between the CPU and mobo

>>61966153
>but build guides show people applying thermal paste between the CPU and mobo
nigga yo serious?
is this bait?

>>61966041
Even though the Flare X is DDR4 2400 vs the Rip at DDR4 3200? Is that difference negligible enough that the lower latency makes up for it? It's only like $30 bucks more though

>>61966153
>but build guides show people applying thermal paste between the CPU and mobo

those are bait videos. you don't put thermal paste anywhere aside from on the cpu heatspreader which makes contact with the cpu cooler.

insert cpu into mobo > put thermal paste on heatspreader (ignore this if thermal paste is pre-applied to the cpu cooler) > insert cpu cooler > screw it down firmly

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>>61966153
Shilling out can get a few Cs cooler than stock, good for if you're bored and have some pocket change for it.

>>61966153
>but build guides show people applying thermal paste between the CPU and mobo
That's a great way to completely destroy your system

What's the best 2tb hdd that isn't a wd black? Don't want to spend $120 on an hdd.

>>61966389
2x hgst Ultrastar in RAID

>>61966389
They've got the WD blue 2 TB for 67 shekels.

>>61966402
Those are only 5400 rpm though I think.

>>61966401
is that you backblaze

should i get a threadripper 1950x? how much better will epyc be?

>>61965200
>1300x
just oc the 1200.
sure it's better binned on 1300x, but 100 to 200MHz is not worth it.

1500x is not worth it only, $20 more for a 1600.
1400 is questionable, only $50 for a 1600, just cut something out that can be upgraded later, like ssd.

rx560 is still faster than a 1050.
if you have a ryzen just get an amd card and not deal with nvidia crippling drivers.

>>61966414
What do you plan on using the drive for that benefits from 7200RPM?

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>Wake up early
>Feel ominous portent
>Check tracking
>Fedex transferred my package to the post office in the city where I don't have postal service
>Have to call in
>Catch the package as they're about to ship it back
>Go and pick it up
I am going to write a rather unhappy letter.

>>61966452
mostly storage but I don't want to wait an extra minute or two for files to be moved around. might also install some games if my other two drives ever completely run out of space.

I'm just going with a seagate.

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Okay, Anons. I need an opinion. My house's wiring is shit. Should I run a series of heavy duty extension cords up under the house feeding to my computer room to provide a solid power pipe to my PC? Good idea? Bad idea? More boobs?

>>61966752
What do you mean shit? As long as you don't pull 1200W from the same outlet you'll be fine.

Fuggg, I'm gonna have to use win10 if I want to take advantage of DX12, ain't I?

I'm using an older GPU so those precious few fps I'd get really make a difference. Is windows 10 really THAT bad? WW/pcbg/D?

>>61966804
If I flick the light switch in the next room over it makes my monitor flicker.

>>61966911
Fuck that, get an extension from the mainline to your apartment or wherever, make sure it's 18 gauge or better

>>61966954
Huh. Apparently reading up, hard-wired fluorescent lights can fuck with RF fields and cause interference. The light being turned on IS a hard-wired fluorescent ceiling light. Guess it's time to replace the entire fixture.

>>61965200
Is it a good time to build a pc?

>>61967035
If you don't want a good GPU, sure

>>61966979
Fuck that too, get LED

>>61967035
No. Wait about a week so Intel rolls out thwir new lineup and then build your PC. This only does not apply to enthusiast level PCs. Since X299, TR4 and Vega are already out.

>>61967040

you can buy a gtx1080 for the same price you could several months ago

>>61965283

i've got my front two fans on a splitter, no problems at all. benefit is that they're always in unison.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2h4kM8

Rate

>>61967147
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2h4kM8

8/10

you can downsize the CPU cooler. something like that would be better on a large chip rather than a 1600.

>>61967186
can't downsize or it wont fit on the motherboard

>tfw all my nearby retailers don't have any good CPU air cooler in stock, even the Hyper 212
Fuck watercooling meme

>>61967147
It's not necessarly bad, but you could get a better performing system if you re-distributed your budget.

Get a 1080Ti by getting a 500GB SSD and a cheaper (but still high quality) case.

Or get a 1700 intead of the 1600, depending on your use.

Also the cooler is a bit overkill.

>>61967206

why?

>>61967186
On the other hand that cooler can last until AM4 dies, so why not. Pop in a 12c/24t Zen3 in 2021, reuse the cooler. Profit

>>61967147
other than the GPU, you essentially have a budget build but you're splurging on a lot of unnecessary stuff.

If you want to save some money, consider dropping the cooler and doing something about the storage. You can get a 240GB m.2 SSD and a 4TB HDD for the same price, or do some other combination to drop the price. Also, you can get similar sounding speakers for less than half that price

>>61967231
im just gonna be producing music, and playing games

>>61967231

then they'd have to get a new PSU, and the 1080ti means a better monitor etc

>>61967258
any cooler you have in mind?

>>61967265
>producing music
I'm not familiar with the hardware requieremnts for this. But It would probably be better to get a 250-500GB SSD and a 3TB HDD to store all the shit you make.

Also the 1700 might be better for music production, but as I said before, I'm not sure about the real hardware demands of rhis spexific task.

>>61967278
As I said, re-distributing the budget to get a better PC. Or at least one that is the most adequate for his needs.

>>61967333
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rTTx3F

something like this would be more effective

>>61965353
>>61965374

god bless, anon. always nice to see your shit work on 1st boot. what happened to ur 1080 Ti? which one was it

>>61967333
a guy in another thread said a 1600 would be fine
>>61967376
compatibility issues

>>61967412

what compatibility issues?

>>61967442
the cooler can't be mounted on motherboard

>>61967442

any company will send you an AM4 bracket for free

>>61967462
and how do i go about that

>>61967510
http://www.cryorig.com/news.php?id=67

if you're interested, you can find a cooler you like and then use a search engine to find a page to get your bracket

>>61967541
so i have to use stock until i get it?

I want to get the Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive for $225.32 for reliability but it would be cool if someone could point me in the direction of a cheaper one they know is reliable

>>61967604
Part 2:
Also point me in the way of a reliable cheap GTX 1080 Ti

>>61965706
Nah, it's a ryzen build so gotta sub in my old 1060 for now.

>>61967384
Thanks lad, had some ram hiccups but all good and running now. Strix 1080ti OC edition that had a fucked fan on delivery, now gotta wait ~2 weeks for my fucked one to return and the replacement to arrive.

>>61967604
Get several Ultrastars and RAID. It's the most reliable way there is.

in hwinfo64, there's this
>GPU VRM Voltage In (VIN/+12V)
row under my rx 560, should the value be as close to 12.000 V as possible? because hwinfo64 currently shows 11.922 as the max value it's recorded since i've started the tool some 5 minutes ago
i guess this reading tells you what voltage the psu actually supplies over the power connector, is that right?
my psu is an evga g2 rated at 550 W

>>61967683
what do you mean?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QDgyCy
Criticism very much welcomed. I'm aiming for a portable build since I'll be going back and forth when at university, so it has to fit in a suitcase.

The games I play - when I do play - are mostly processor intensive games such as Hearts of Iron or ARMA. I'm not really bothered by graphics so aslong as it is presentable. Apart from that, I'll mostly be using it for research, browsing and playing music.

Mostly wondering if anybody has suggestions for a motherboard, but any suggestion is welcome, as I'm very much an amateur.

>>61965710
self bump.

>>61967748
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QDgyCy

you'd almost be better off with buying a laptop

27" 1440p IPS display or 32" 21:9 IPS display for GTX1080/70. Mainly for vidya and movies.

>>61967763
Maybe an XPS or something is better immediately, but laptops don't last for two years I'm going to need it for. What's so bad about it?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RMHZYr
first computer build, how is this?
Planning on waiting for GPU prices to go down.

>>61967748
That case sure as hell won't fit in a suitcase, try looking at something like the Cougar QBX or even the NCase M1 to go with that ITX board instead.

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>>61967858
>Planning on waiting for GPU prices to go down

>>61967858
you dont need that much wattage, get a 400W

>>61967884
well, stop climbing at the very least

>>61967894
>well, stop climbing at the very least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSAeyAV85UM

>>61967871
From the measurements listed, it fits in my current suitcase - not much room to spare mind. Apart from that, is it good?

>>61967258
You said before about better speakers, can you send link

Or anyone send link to good speakers.

>>61967967
It's a good case for sure if it'll fit. You'd be better off getting a Micro-ATX motherboard for it though since it has the room and would probably be cheaper.

>>61967622
ah sorry to hear, were you the one who posted that pic of it some threads ago? thats unfortunate but I can sy for the 1080 Ti Strix OC is awesome so you'll be happy when u receive it.

Anybody know a good cooler for a Ryzen 5 1600?

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>mfw liquid Vega is priced the same as 1080 Ti but loses to it in every aspect

>>61968120
stock

>>61968186
you're bullshitting me rn right?

>>61968036
https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/speaker-system-z313?crid=47

obviously not as fancy and doesn't have adjustable bass but you can use an EQ for the same effect. I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell a difference in sound between most of these active speakers from reputable enough brands like logitech.

Also, I picked up this exact model for ~$40 from a B&M store. You don't need this exact model, it's just I can vouch for it. You could probably get something even cheaper and be fine until you can afford a real stereo setup

>>61968047
STRIX Z270G Micro would do the job? Thank you for your help.

This may be the wrong thread but I figure it's atleast sort of on topic.

I've built my computer a few months ago and recently the power button was stuck down (fractal define r5 case) and the computer failed to start. Since then it doesn't start anymore. It started once after I cleaned out some dust and made no other significant changes, but it shut off again about 15 minutes later.

The way it fails to boot is very particular: I dont hear any beeps (although I'm not sure it ever did beep), fans turn on, GPU lights turn on, PSU turns on, motherboard LEDs are on, I can hear my HDD work. The SSD that my case LED is hooked up to does not do anything. I get no signal to monitor.

I've had a similiar problem ~2 weeks before, where the computer would start, but it kept randomly rebooting. It went away after I just shut it off for a night and hasn't made a problem since. It's possibly related.

From reading up I found that it's either my PSU, CPU or Motherboard that's fucked. How could I get a proper idea of which part is broken? I dont have any replacement PSU, CPU or Motherboard to test with.

The thing that really throws me off is that it worked normally for like 15 minutes after dusting it off. I suspected a loose cable but I reconnected everything and it still doesn't turn on properly.

>>61968231
have you done any research?
the ryzen stock cooler are teh best stock coolers ever shipped free with a consumer CPU.

it'll let you OC to 3.7-3.8 GHz

>>61968299
Did you unstick the button?

>>61968336
Yeah of course, forgot to mention that.

>>61968334
can it handle long sessions?

>>61968299
>I dont hear any beeps (although I'm not sure it ever did beep)
It'll beep if you have a mobo speaker. If you don't have one you should get one.

>>61968267
Yeah that board's good. Just to make sure you're not confusing the Mini C with the smaller and ITX only Nano S right? The Mini C is the better case since the Nano S has issues with blocking GPU airflow.

>>61968299
take out your components and just lay them out on a box or something, and just connect the psu to the MOBO and GPU and connect your gpu to the monitor. Don't you have the little speaker that came with your MOBO to POST?

Either way, just complete the circuit with a screwdriver on the mobo for the power button. Do you get anything? If not, it's your PSU/mobo/cpu/GPU. If you do, it's something with your case or cables or hard drives, etc.

Whats a good CPU cooler to be able to fully overclock with the Ryzen 1600

>>61968518
dunk it in a tub of mineral oil

>>61968407
>>61968399
Board didnt come with a mobo speaker.

Is there really no way to narrow it down between mobo, CPU, PSU?

>>61968536
fuck you

>>61968406
No no, I've landed on the Mini C in the end. The Nano was my original pick - but I kept reading that it blocked the airflow as you say so I've now switched to the Mini C, since it seems compact and well built.

Thanks again for your help. I think I'll start buying the parts soon then once I've sorted through all the reviews for the rest. Thank you!

is a gtx 1080 sufficient for 1440p 144hz?

or should i stick with 1080p and get a 144hz/1080p monitor? I know not to expect to be able to max out alot of games at 1440p, which is fine really

>>61968594
yea a gtx 1080 is good enough

If the ram kit is not listed in the mobo qvl what are the chances it wont work?

>>61968624
50/50 either it will or it wont

>>61968643
>tfw too intelligent

>>61968555
You could manually test to PSU to exclude it, but if everything powers up normally there's a decent chance it's okay. As for mobo and CPU, you're really dead in the water if you don't have spares to troubleshoot with. But again, if you don't have a mobo speaker it could just be that you have a faulty RAM stick and it's cycling because of that. Go through some standard troubleshooting, remove the GPU and try onboard video if you have that (if you don't you REALLY need a mobo speaker to make sure the error code isn't for a busted GPU), try each stick of RAM at a time in each slot, etc, etc.

Gtx 1060 3gb is at normal price plus like $10. Has it been like that and I just overlooked it, or did the price come down. Rx 480 is still way up.

$500 build y/n?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cw9Yjc

Any soundcard recommendations?

>>61968735
I second that, for music production

>>61968735
Do you actually need one? Soundcards are unnecessary 90% of the time, unless you have a serious audio setup or audiophile headphones that need a lot of power to drive, onboard audio will work just as well as a soundcard would.

>>61968834
My previous motherboards have been shocking for audio quality. I have a pair of ATH M50s - may upgrade in the future - but are those 'serious' enough to justify a soundcard?

what is wrong with this and why, bliz halb only about 75% sure what i'm doing here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xkCPr7

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
Thoughts for gaming?

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>>61965200
I'm living with a kot now so I need to close my PC case first time since over a decade.

I need a cheap horizontal atx case that'd fit at least 2 3.5" HDDs and a normal sized graphic card. Being able to mount esata backplate would be a huge advantage.

I don't care about looks as long as it'll be cheap.

>>61968938
Whoops, this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q3VPr7

>>61968855
Shocking as in good or bad? And no, M50s have impendence <100ohms so it's really not necessary. If the onboard audio is noticeably terrible, a cheap Xonar is usually a decent option.

>>61968669
I've dicked around a bit and I've noticed that on the Mobo there's some LEDs lit up that say "CPU LED". Upon investigation for my board (asus z170 pro gaming) (the manual doesnt even mention this LED) supposedly they only light up if there's an issue with that part.

How likely could I fix this by just reseating the CPU and reapplying heat paste? Is it worth trying out?

I have a 970 that has some sort of issue.

On 90% of games it's fine but on the other 10% it will black screen when things get intense. Isn't a temp issue.

Does this have any value ebaying it?

>>61965200
I'm contemplating on taking back my order for a rx 580 and just getting a 1050 TI for less and wait for the market to get unfucked. I've been waiting too long for the damn thing to arrive but after two months they're still waiting for a vendor.

Should I get a 1050 Ti for now? I just want to play some vidya and I don't mind not being able to play on high or maxed settings.

>>61968944
You need more than just to close your case. You'll want to make sure every vent or port is VERY well filtered.

>>61968985
Actually correction, what it does is go from CPU LED to the DRAM LED and then jumps back.

This is weird to me because I did fuck around with the ram sticks and try to put them each in a slot etc

Sorry I'm borderline blogposting here, I'm just hoping to narrow it down as I go

Which would be better:

1x
Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive - $177.88
2x
Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive - $66.89

OR

1x
Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive - $177.88
1x
Seagate - Constellation ES.3 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive - $171.99

>>61968985
Everything's worth trying out even if it doesn't seem like it'll help. Give it a shot.

>>61969063
Explain please?
Well filtered? (I live in a dusty place so I clean it inside every second week anyway).

Now, I'm mostly scared of him entering my PC So I closed it but still there are cables hanging between the PC standing under the desk on a coffee table and top with my screen and kb+m.
If I had a horizontal case I'd put it under my monitor and tie all cables.

>>61969130
Cat hair and cat dandruff will fuck your shit up. You want good filtering material, which in return will likely mean fans will have to work double-time to get the same airflow. But it'll stop your hardware from getting ruined.

>>61969090
I think Seagate 4TBs have a much lower failure rate than their 2TBs do

>>61968899

For mid tier gaming and some visual studio (xamarin) shenanigans

>>61969148
OK, I get it. Will Chinese fans from aliexpress with air filters be enough? The ones that have sponge-like material?

Any tips on a horizontal case? I can't find any full ATX ones.

>>61969090
the 2 seagate 7200rpm.
i say this because your 4tb seagate wont go any faster. plus it's way cheaper and you wont lose all your shit on one drive in event of a failure.

Should i pick a case off of reviews or my personal choice?

>>61968944
Have you looked at the Fractal Node 605? Dunno if that's too pricey or not.

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>>61969329
Get what works for you and is cheap, I like understated looking cases because I use my pc more as a workstation.

>>61968953
get r3 1200 and OC it
use the money to get 3000mhz ram

>>61969331
Fuck I've just noticed it seems to be EOL. that's a bitch because it's more or less exactly what you need.

>>61969331
That's way more than I expected. I actually was looking at under 50$ cases. I even considered finding an used OEM case that'd fit.

>>61968899
That ram is dual rank and will not hit 3200mhz on ryzen and isn't even on the QVL. Check the QVL and pick a more suitable ram kit from there.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html

I'm still planning stuff around. This will be my first build. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Phoexyael19/saved/Rwdycf

If my GPU has fans do need case fans other than the CPU cooler?

>>61969492
yes

>>61968670
1060 3 GB were always at normal price because not even miners want them.
Currently they're almost looking like a decent option though, if you don't plan to keep your card for years.

>>61969450
Yeah that might be your best option honestly, horizontal desktop cases are getting harder and harder to find these days.

>>61969564
How many?

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>>61969492
>6700k
>h110m
what are you doing?

get z170 motherboard so you can overclock OR change to 6700 without k. at this point you should consider going Ryzen if you don't want to benefit from high clocks of i7.
get a bigger ssd.
get better psu (look at SeaSonic M12II)
drop the fans - your case already has one included and it's enough. extra fans are only if you need better airflow.

this is what i would do: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/37XtGf
saved $200 which you can put into better case, psu or some other shit. 6700k will perform slightly worse than 7700k on pic related (if you don't OC it, which you can't on that mobo). ryzen will only get better as time goes on.

if you really want intel i don't know why you'd get skylake instead of kabylake: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/4Tn4bj

About how long until the next Intel CPU upgrade/generation comes out? I know that newer and better components are always just around the corner, but I'd like to be patient and build shortly after the new ones come out.

>>61969803
2-3 fans should do (2 intake-1 exhaust)

What is the difference between 'modular' and 'semi-modular' PSUs?

Which hdd brand is the most reliable wd or seagate

>>61969374
Is ram speed really a big deal though

>>61969987
A modular psu ships with every cable separate and the psu, a modular psu ships with the 24 pin and a few cable attached to it, but stuff like 6 pins and sata are connectable.

>>61965577
>Dual Video Card
dunno what exactly they mean by this

So is readyboost still a thing in Windows 10? Can I chain-link some abomination of old USB sticks and have it supplement my system memory like a tumor?

>>61966153
woah WoaHH, blue board anon, get your CROTCH outta there!

Posting this again for last through before I pull the trigger, I have a 1tb HDD laying around

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GYXtGf


how are we looking lads

>>61970107
Pretty good. I'd say go for it.

Planning on saving up and building a new computer and new peripherals to go with it. Currently using a Logitech G400 but I want to get something else. Something preferably with 3 side buttons instead of two. I bound the two keys to Shift and Ctrl and would love a third button to bind PTT to.

Any ideas on a quality mouse that'll last me 5 years the same way this G400 has?

>>61970107
That is one of the most expensive 1060s. Considering they're already way overpriced, I'm not so sure that one's a good idea.

Otherwise the build is great.

>>61970195
>>61970283
Do you have any suggestions at all? We looking good on PSU and Mobo?

You can recommend me another 1060, the RX580 is just not on stock right now, and there's a slight discount on that particular one.

I heard the STRIX one has goat cooling

>>61970309
Everything is solid, and I'm sure the ROG 1060 is great, I'm just sure you could save some money by getting a cheaper 1060

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jZJkcf/asus-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-dual-video-card-dual-gtx1060-o6g

it's white and dual fan but I doubt you'd really notice any differences when you're playing a game. If you want the one you have selected, go ahead. This'll just save you a few bucks if you were going for a tight budget

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>mfw got a 1060 for $270 a couple days ago before stock dried back up

>>61970377
Fuck thats a good point, what do I do

why is this so hard

I've found a store here in yuropoor who will sell a rx580 for 429 yuro's. I've got enough cash to burn but smugposters like these >>61970463 make me feel cucked. Should I go for it? I want to make use of my freesync monitor already.

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>>61970463
>1060

>>61970474
For saving $80, I'd say it's well worth it to go for the dual fan since the performance difference will be indistinguishable. Unless you're going for a specific aesthetic in your build like all black or something, it really doesn't mean a lick of difference if it's white. Worst comes to worst, you can paint it. I also doubt the third fan will make any huge difference in a 1060. If it's running hot with two fans, it'd probably be running nearly as hot with three, and if it's uncomfortably it's probably better to just drop the settings in-game anyway.

>>61970572
It's 30 USD price difference between the two here, and they only have the OC version of the white card

So for 30 dollars less I get the white 2 fan "OC" version, I'm not sure how much an "OC" version is worth more though.

>>61970521
>rx 580 for 429€
that is the ultimate cuckery. there are gtx1060 for like 340€ here and freesync isn't worth paying 100€ extra nor it's not necessary to have.

>>61970593
two fans and a slight OC is worth a little extra money

>>61970593
Oh. Well it's not specifically between those two models. The point I was making was that you can save some bucks on the GPU. Just narrow it down to 1060 on pcpartpicker and compare prices within that. I'd say for the most part, you won't really feel a difference between the priciest and cheaper models

I posted this morning about my pc woes, yesterday I installed new ram, a second ssd and a hdd, computer worked fine for most of the day without any problems. When I switched on this morning I got a no signal message on my monitor and my kb mouse failed to light up. I've just stripped the machine of all new parts and it's made no difference. I've tried an old gpu I know works and again no luck. However, if I reset my bios with dip switches on the motherboard it comes to life..briefly, I'm able to enter the bios and everything looks fine, all memory devices detected correctly etc but when I exit it just goes back to the no signal message. If I reboot again it's back to square 1, no signal and kb mouse not listing up. I have also noticed that on my 390 gpu only 1 fan spins up and the other just twitches and the cpu fan twitches a bit before coming to life. Could this just be a psu failure? If it is how is it possible to get into the bios and everything appears normal after a reset? Could it be a bios failure? Then how come the bios appears fine after I reset it? I'm desperate to get this working again, just dropped a big chunk of my saving's on an oculus rift, logitech hotas and the aforementioned upgrades. The psu is an aero cool 750w, not the most expensive but it was by no means cheap? What do guys, I'm gutted here.

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What is this white stuff on my cooler? Also, this has been out of the box for like five seconds, why does it look dirty? It's the r5 1600 stock cooler, brand new

>>61970820
1. Semen
2. Ketchup stain from an assembly worker's ketchup & banana sandwich

>>61970707
Alright you convinced me, I'll go for the slightly cheaper 2 fan ASUS one

thanks for everything my man

>>61970820
Its pre-applied theral paste and i have no clue why it looks like that
>>61970849
kek

>>61970849
>>61970897
should I rub it off and apply my own or is it fine as is?

>>61970878
Whatever you do, never pick the Palit ones.

>>61970918
my own thermal paste, that is, not semen

>>61970918
I would just to be sure its not a big deal
>>61970946
understandable

>>61970925
Nah the choice is between ASUS Dual or ASUS Strix

>>61970970
Ah, good. I was thinking of getting MSI armor 1080, but the Gigabyte 1080's are a good fraction cheaper. So I'm a little conflicted myself on what to get.

Planning on getting a Ryzen 1600 since my current CPU is bottlenecking my 1080 TI a lot. What motherboard should I get? Is it okay to spend around 100 bucks on one?

>>61971012
yeah. X370 is for cucks, b350s are great. Just sort by rating and pick the one you like

>>61971049
>Just sort by rating and pick the one you like
great way to make a terrible buy

>>61970521
I ordered a 580 yesterday for a similair price anon, if you have a high refresh screen you might want to wait for an AIB vega 56 though.

>>61971214
>rx 580 for over 400€
but why? are you that much of an AMD fanboy?

what do you guys think about the Intel i7-6900K? seems a bit pricey to me

>>61968812
Get an audio interface like the Scarlett 2i2 or something similar

1070 STOCK WHEN

>>61969043
yes.

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>ark of the covenant is on sale
Hmm. It's so stupid, but hmm.

>>61970203
wrong thread. get another logitech though.

>>61971008
I figure the GPU is the weakest link in my build, but it is supposed to be a medium cheap-ish build so yeah, might aswell save some bucks on something i might have to upgrade in 2-3 years regardless.

They have a sale on the STRIX 1060 right now, so it's only 30 dollars more than the Asus Dual 1060. I sleep on it and see tomorrow.

I have no intention if OC'ing at all, frankly I just want my parts to last. So I dont think I would benefit at all from the extra cooling on the STRIX

>>61969374
other anon here. is it necessary/recommended to get an aftermarket cooler to oc a 1200?

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>>61971225
I wanted a high-end model like strix or gaming X and then the price difference would only be 20-30 euros. And if i bought a 1050ti now and upgraded later it would cost me even more. I just stopped giving a fuck and bought what i wanted.

My 650w PSU should be enough for a 1080ti right? I'm currently running a [email protected] (1.35v) and GTX 1080 just fine.

>>61971717
It's gonna be fine, if it's a decent psu, I saw some dude on YT running a 5GHz 8350 rig and two RX480s on his CX750M.

I applied a little too much thermal paste and it slightly leaked out on one side, going to a little less than halfway down the side of the CPU. Is that fine or do I need to redo it?

what benefits does getting a sound card give you? what purpose do they serve?

>>61971733
I just bought it last month - EVGA supernova G3 650w Gold, looks like it'll be good. Thanks anon

>>61971771
They don't have any crackle or popping, and you it reduces coil whine through your headphones, however integrated audio has been good for years and even realtek's ALC1150 is pretty much perfect.

>>61971771
In the days of yore, soundcards were necessary because mobos either had awful onboard audio or none at all. If you bought a $20 mobo, it'll probably have a shitty DAC so a separate soundcard might give you better audio. In 2017, this isn't necessary if you don't buy some no name motherboard.

Are 580s back in stock now?

Also what would be a good cheap card if I don't want to run anything more than 60 fps?

>>61971771
Only really necessary for music production at this point.

>>61971922
>>61971812
>>61971792
>skip out on soundcard
got it, thanks. I was sinking a lot of money into a high end rig and i didnt want to miss out on a small detail I might regret

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>>61965200
>TFW a used R9 290 costs the same as RX 480/580 MSRP and performs the same
miners on suicide watch

>>61971855
1060's are generally cheaper than any 580 so you might want to go for that if you want to save some money.

>>61971622
it's just a really bad buy, considering you can get gtx 1070 for <460€

>>61971734
Luuuke did a video where he found that too much paste doesn't really affect cooling negatively so don't worry about it

I'm a big noob when it comes to over-clocking but I've managed to get my 1700 stable OC'd 3.7ghz (1.35v), is the performance increase from 3.7 to 3.9+ worth the risk and higher voltage (potentially 1.4+)?

>>61972074
That was a good video, I might spread my paste with a glove on which I normally wouldn't do, because the base of my hyper TX3 is uneven as hell.

>>61972006
Cheapest 1070 in stock i can find here is 470€ anon. Sure, prices are shit right now but paying an additional 50 or more for a 1070 won't make much sense either if i only have a 60hz screen.

>GTX1080 G1 gaming price just shot up 50 dollars
JUST FUCKING END IT LADS

are mail-in-rebates a meme? wanna get a seasonic m12ii or whatever and it's only 35 + shipping with a rebate

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>>61965200
Any input on my build? I live in canuckistan and am replacing my 5 year old PC, cost I'm aiming for is around ~$1500 CAD. Should I swap anything out? are there better brands? Thanks

>>61972230
Forgot to mention that it's pretty much for gaming, nothing else besides basic use.

>>61972088
Not if your voltage has to be above 1.4V to be stable. AMD claims 1.45V+ sustained can cause electromigration which will fuck your CPU up over time.

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The 300R finally came, really nice looking for what it is.

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>>61972433
It is growing stronger.

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>>61972452
>990FXA

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>>61972539
I am just trying to cheaply get off my 65nm hardware and into an ATX standard, my endgame is to use this for 3 years or so and by then I'll have more money for the latest stuff.

>>61972585
Good luck my friend

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>>61972676
I think it's gonna be a sick system for sure, I couldn't even overclock my dell optiplex. If I hit 4,4GHz on my 8350 with little or no voltage I'll be amazed and use the hell out of that system.

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Slapped together a little something to answer some of the more common Ryzen questions

This is the first draft, suggestions/additions?

Does ~1400 RPM seem normal for wraith spire? Just sitting in the bios right now and CPU is about 41 C

>>61972711
what the hell is going on in the center of that case

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This is probably the most appropriate place to ask. I've always wondered how well ports of last-gen Japshit actually run, so I was thinking about building a "last gen" gaming PC that would've been appropriate for the time. With that in mind, would this have been the "standard" PC hardware of the time? By standard I mean "most commonly used, not cutting edge but still stronger than consoles".

>Core 2 Duo @ 2.5GHz
>4GB system RAM
>GTX 260

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>>61972834
It's called micro BTX having the CPU in the middle, and it's shit, so getting a somewhat decent job and hobbling together an 8350 rig s a treat to me.

>>61972715
Really good. Specifying that the wraith spire that comes with r5 is NOT rgb might be nice. I was bummed to find that out, thinking the ones the 1700 and 1600 came with were the same. I know you already mention the 1700 one is RGB but I don't think explicitly stating you don't get it in r5 would hurt

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Pick me out a cheap as fuck case that has good airflow and doesn't look like a total piece of shit targeted at retarded teenagers.

>>61973062
These cheap corsair 100R, 200R and 300R are reallt the only things I've seen that look somewhat classy.

Amazon has 580s for preorder at normal RRP, worth trying to get one?

Hopefully the lead time isn't so bad.

>>61972896
buy the fan off ebay

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>>61972715
that's a nice infograph.

>3 6-pin to power sata cables
>two came with the PSU, one is from another computer
>when using the legit two, all is well
>when adding on the aftermarket cable (there are 3 SATA 6-pin ports on the PSU, it just came with only 2 cables) the computer wont even boot. Not even a fan spin or a light. Dead, full stop.
>when I take the cable out, everything works like normal

Anyone have any idea why? I need a third one because the two i have don't reach my dvd drive while plugged into my HDDs / SDDs.

>>61972715
Moar like your a dummy if you buy ryzen.

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Longer version with XFR and overclocking

>>61973328
heyoooooooooooo

>>61972230
Why are you even getting a Ryzen chip for gaming only?
Why did you choose low frequency RAM for a Ryzen chip?
Additionally, why would you choose a 1600x over a 1600? Are you not overclocking? If you're not overclocking, why are you getting a watercooler? Even if you wanted to get a 1600 & overclock it Ryzen's stock cooler is actually amazing. You don't need meme cooling. Corsair makes terrible PSU's, get Seasonic or EVGA. Your case looks like ass. You can get a 500gb Western Digital SSD for a hundred bucks less than the one on your list.

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What's a good price for a GTX 1060 (3gb)? See one on sale for $220 at the moment with other similar dealios.

1600x ryzen build with 32gigs and some other bells and whistles. Was Waiting(tm) for vega intially but a little pissed of at the pricing and availability at the moment, including for the RX 580. I'm figuring i would get one of the smaller 1060's, or even a 1050ti, as a temp card and throw it in a mini build while sticking with 1080p.

Current card is GTX 760 and feeling the age nowdays.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TdpDRG

Building a rig for VR and 3d modeling.
Would I benefit by adding a second video graphics card if it meant giving up some ram?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkkyCy

How is this build for playing/streaming overwatch/ cs go on lowest settings with at least 144 frames? Anywhere I can cut costs and still achieve that goal?

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Holy shit Lian Li cases are overpriced garbage.

>>61973399
Don't waste your money on the 3GB version, it's crap

>>61965200

>>Good fucking luck even getting a VEGA right now

>the 64 is slower than a 1080

>>61973399
Don't. Get 6gb.

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In a pinch, your average Antec case can be used as a makeshift katana.

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>>61973472
>PSU mount on top

>>61973428
>>61973446
They like almost $300 tho. Fucking miners.

>>61973565
Go for a 1050Ti then, their prices haven't moved much and you can get one for about $150
And then save the rest of that money for an upgrade later on

>>61973565
>almost $300
Americans are funny, they love to pretend they're superior but can't afford anything.

>>61973844
We're just being (((intelligently frugal)))

>>61973892
My point was that almost $300 is not even MSRP in my country.

>iTX

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My case is late and I'm impatient. Everything else is here. How important is a case?

>>61974264
You don't have a case leftover from an old build?

Any monitor recommendations? ideally 27" IPS not absurdly expensive.

What's a decent smallish ATX case that I can get in the UK? Will need to fit a GFX card of 300mm in length.

How is a samsung 850 pro 512gb ssd?

>>61974527
Save your money and go with EVO. It's just as good.

>>61974527
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-250-085

Can you chaps recommend me a good cpu for under £100, needs to be able to power an i5 6600, 16gb ram, r9 390, 2 x ssd, 1 hdd, and a boat load of peripherals, ie multiple game pads, oculus rift, hotas kit, and have room for a probable upgrade to i7 7700k and an as yet unknown better gpu.

>>61974672
A good psu is what I meant. My aero cool 750w seems to have shat the bed

Which AM4 itx motherboard is the best.

>>61974688
I hear the 2017 CX750 is not bad.

>>61974672
>>61974688
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/zTdqqs/seasonic-power-supply-ss750am2

>>61974695
>iTX

Is there any reason to get a very small ssd purely as a boot drive, instead of getting a 500gb one for games AND boot?

>>61974695
Gigabyte's VRMs apparently run hot, not heard much about ASrock's

>>61974859
Several years ago yes because even a 64gb was over 100 euros but today? Not really unless you're on a tight budget. My current 120gb from 5 years ago is still doing fine.

>>61974699
How about the tx850m by corsair, just read a review and it seems pretty solid, what do the different acronyms refer to, it tx, cx, rm?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QxTggL

looking for general advice/criticisms. can i go down to 8gigs of ram or is 16 really the money spot?

do gaming but im perfectly content with mid settings as long as things run smooth/no stuttering/good do. no heavy software otherwise atm.

>>61974987
CX is kind of a basic bitch power supply, comes in a non modular, not super high end, but it works and is 80 plus rated, TX is more middle of the road, HX is modular like TX but it's higher end, and AX is top of the line with massive outputs like 1500w if you want and platinum 80 plus rated.

>>61975037
Thanks, just pulled the trigger on the tx as it's the only one they had for next day delivery at that level, my only other options where to wait, go cheaper or remortgage my cats.

>>61975023
First of all
>ryzen
Why do you do this to yourself?

Anyway, that's fine. The 1050ti is fine. Just.. fine. Should be good enough to run most titles on med/high settings (perhaps not the new titles though). I'd probably splurge on the 1060 if I were you.

I'd personally go for 4 sticks of 4gb RAM, because I'm a penishead and I like it that way.

And finally
>buying an OS
You're purposely being retarded now. Don't give your shekels to the jew lords, just torrent it. Especially Win10. That way the spying software won't work anyway.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/47j7LD

Is it all good? Also, will the psu be enough? Is the cooler okay? Is the board decent? And finally, can it all fit in the case?

>>61965491
kek

>>61975262
you don'T eed 23 gb of ram. reported to Mouht

>>61975023
>budget build
>16gb of ram
That shit's expensive enough already. Don't listen to the memes, 8 is fine.

Pretty sure that PSU is overkill as well dawg, I'm rocking a 470 + 6500 off of a 430W unit just fine.

Should I buy windows 10 pro, or use a key gen? $200 is a lot for a gaming rig... I also don't have any keygen however.

>>61975678
Don't buy it lol, if you're too much of a pussy to get it illegally buy a grey market key off of reddit or something. Which is still illegal, but slightly less dodgy I think. I've done it twice with no problems at least.

which ryzen should i get if i want to produce music, play a couple games, stream?

>>61975678

p sure you can just buy a legit activation key for likr $10-30 and then download from microsoft website

>>61975731
Don't those just run the risk of being invalidated though. Maybe I'll just get the fucking keygen. No harm in using one aside from the obvious risk of joking a botnet, right?

>>61975766
If it does get invalidated, you can message whoever you bought it from and they should replace it iirc. Anecdotal, but I've used mine for 8 months with no issues. And I don't really know the risks or issues associated with using a keygen but I'm going to assume they are worse.

>>61975742
self bump

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Anyone have any experience with the Pulse cards from Sapphire?

>>61975742
Whatever model is within your budget

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KFPWhq

Rate

>>61975931
Either get a non K CPU or get a Z170 chipset, you'll be more happy.

>>61975023
8GB of ram is fine, if you're just gaming. If you want to upgrade the ram, just get a single 8gb memory stick and buy more lated. Get the R5 1600 instead of the 1500x since you'll get a stock cooler and also 6 cores/12 threads. Faster ram will help since the Ryzen has infinity fabric that will improve performance in gaming with higher ram speeds. As for the OS, just buy a cheap key from someone.
By the way, Ryzen is perfectly fine >>61975182

>>61965200
>tfw i bought 1500x + rx 480

pretty good combo
i can hit 1080p on ultra on every game except maybe witcher 3 . I really want the wraith spire LED fan though :(

If i were to get a threadripper how much ram should i put in it

>>61973110
WHERE?!

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>>61965200
>PC Bulding
>Bulding

>>61976093
1500x gets a stock cooler as well

>>61975931
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tVPTyf
>current gen i7
>1 stick so room for expansion
>bigger ssd
>cheaper and better psu
you might want to chuck a 120mm fan on the front, as the case only comes with one

what psu would i need for this setup, im using custom parts cause i can't find it in the catalog.
Also any upgrades i can do?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8xqMkT

>>61976404
Get an EVGA G2 750 or anything else decently built that's 600w or higher to not stress it.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fLNwsJ

Hit my $1500CAD budget on this build.
Rate

Also anything I might want to add?. Fans?, Sound card?

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Still working on rebuilding that X51 R2.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/82CWhq

>>61976526

You might as well spend a bit more for a proper ATX size motherboard / case unless you actually don't have space for it

>ASRock

Since I haven't paid much attention since ever, is it no longer a meme brand?

>>61976824
Can someone redpill me on why people hate on Asrock?

>>61976858

I'm pretty sure it is a decent brand now, but I believe it was pretty bad in the 2000s when it was a spin-off brand from Asus

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qggjFd

R8 pls

>>61976888
If you really want an 1800X, go for it, but you can get 99% of the same performance by just overclocking a 1700 to the same level.
If you're spending that much money on the system, get G.Skill Trident Z memory.
Why SSDs only? By not 1 500+ gb SSD and then like a 2 TB HDD?
don't do a normal DVD drive. Go for a blu ray drive if you have to
>Asus Sound card
>Not Sound Blaster card Do you even respect icons?

>>61977071
Read that about the 1700 but it was already in the cart and I was like fuck it. Honestly I have a 1 TB WD in my current rig that I'll wipe and throw in the new one also.

Whats the reasoning for the Trident Z over the ones I have? Items are in the cart and haven't shipped yet so I can call and change it.

>>61977102
>Whats the reasoning for the Trident Z over the ones I have?
It uses Samsung B-die memory, which Ryzen absolutely LOVES

Can someone make a new thread already?

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>>61965200
anyone got a suggestion on a solid 1070 for under/around 470 USD?

seems like most affordable stuff is out of stock b/c of cryptocurrency autism

any tips are appreciated

>>61977371
>under/around 470 USD?
But that's the 1060 price

rate my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LqvQJV

>>61977672
may wanna recheck the market dude

Getting all the parts ready and thinking about building a new pc is like the main thing keeping me happy right now. It's so nice just to think about and busy my mind with.