/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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first for W530

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Just pulled the trigger on an x200t for light browsing and on-the-go shitposting. Final price hovered a little over $75 and the laptop seems in pretty decent shape (a scuff here and there, but nothing a little elbow grease won't vanquish).
Delivery should be making its way up north fairly soon.
Any anons use the x200t? Would love to hear stories/view comfy pics to get hype.

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Post vismods pls, I need inspiration. Stickers, velcro, paintjobs any kind of visual enhancements.

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>>61954265
I got lucky and snagged a Thinkpad T-530 with a i7-3840qm processor for 270 dollaroos. I wanted to replace the keyboard with a classic one, but I heard news that some of the functions on the keyboard do not play well with the T-530. Anybody have a similar problem?

How's linux on the dell precision m4800? Anyone have experience with it?

>>61954700
I got a m4500 and it ran well. Most of these older laptops run well with linux, it is the newer ones with newer drivers that are a problem.

>>61954719
thanks m8

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$102 + $15 shipping for a x220 tablet i5, 320GB, 2GB ram. I fucked up guys, didn't I ?

>>61954914
>2gb ram

you done goofed

>>61954927
hell it just means hes tossing less ram once he gets 2x8gb@1866mhz

>>61953162
Thx friendo

How bad is the 768p TN on the x230?

>>61954265
am I a pleb if I like lenovo's chicklets?

>>61955052
piss awful. the bare minimum level of outputting visual data to a human eye. immediately start saving up for an ips panel to replace it. doesn't matter which ips, my cheap counterfeit chinkass ghostorama panel is still a joy in comparison to that fucking tn

good laptop otherwise you should buy one

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So I have been comparing thinkpad's old third gen and 2nd gen processors with current processors... Why is the difference so small after 5 yrs? Only thing we seemed to have improved on is integrated graphics and gimping performance in favor of battery life. Are we going backwards?

In an objective manner, what is actually the big advantage that modern mobile cpus have over these old one?

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So this wouldn't really bother me but one of the locks in the screen bezel is broken too. Can I get a new bezel to replace it?

>>61955083
Nothing wrong with them, as long as we're still talking Thinkpad keyboards. The feel is on par with or better than the --20 keyboard. The layout is balls and the B key is misaligned which triggers my autism to no end, but otherwise they're still the best laptop keyboards on the market.

>>61955205
I would just say at that point look online for a cheap thinkpad with ur model and switch their casing out.

>>61955205
>>61955226
i would say at that point keep it cause that shit is badass

Is the T430 the best option for a mid-size ThinkPad with physical trackpad buttons?

>>61955226
>I would just say at that point look online for a cheap thinkpad with ur model and switch their casing out.
>Solution: buy an other laptop... so you can salvage its casing.
Are you mental?

>>61955205
Have you checked aliexpress or ebay for replacement parts?

>>61955237
I guess, but T530 is definitely doable with an extended battery. You can go around walking like an autist holding onto the butt of the battery. I did it in college...

>>61955261
>I would just say at that point look online for a cheap thinkpad with ur model and switch their casing out.
>Solution: buy an other laptop... so you can salvage its casing.
>Are you mental?
Did it with a T520 because noone was selling replacement parts for it at the time. I also got a sweet 1080 screen with it.

>>61955237
I sure love my T420.

>>61955190
Congrats the madman figured it out. He figured out why people still buy old thinkpads.

>>61955190
Like you said, Intel has mainly made improvements to power efficiency and iGPU with only marginal performance gains. Those ULV Skylake and Kaby Lake CPUs use significantly less power than the full-voltage Ivy Bridge you're comparing them to. In theory, you'd get far better battery life and lower temperatures out of a laptop with one of the newer CPUs, but batteries and coolers have been gimped in the pursuit of muh thin and light, so the improvement is less noticeable than you'd think.

And while the iGPU itself has improved considerably, a lot of newer laptops only have one RAM slot or totally soldered RAM, so you can't get dual channel speeds. The X240 performs significantly worse than the X230 because of this, its iGPU isn't better enough compared with the X230's to make up for the halved VRAM bandwidth.

>>61952127
this is the listing I meant http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X220-Tablet-4298-AA3-Intel-Core-i5-2520M-250GB-HDD-4GB-RAM/292212841129?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

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did... did I do good guys?

Question:
Do you go with your thinkpads in public and are you embarrassed of pulling out these heavy brick looking laptops?

just swapped my t420's screen with one of those alienware ones. night and day difference. gets way brighter and the viewing angles are better.

>>61955440
not bad friend

>>61955457
You severely overestimate how much of a shit anybody gives about you or your things. Especially Thinkpads, which are all but designed to avoid attention.

>>61955440

You paid way too much.........

I bet it only is a 1366 x 768 display :-(

>>61955457
Less embarrassed then I was of my faggy macbook air

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>>61955516
>he fell for it
thanks for the (You)

>>61955561
(You) too buddy. Have another one on the house.

>>61954914
nah, that's a good deal fren
if it's broken you can just get ur money back if you bought it on eBay
ram upgrade and you'll be on your way bro

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>>61955516
>at moms house
>"hey anon wheres that new laptop you just bought"
>show her my t420
>"we have those at work they are junk why would you want to use that over your macbook"

>said macbook is 7 years old at this point and can't properly run linux due to novidia graphics and power management issues

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>>61954265
Is latitude d810 /g/?

If any of you lads are in Maryland within driving distance of annapolis keep and eye on
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=16152&acctid=432
the seller also has some other neat things like a lot of 24 T540p without the hard drives.

I'm using the x61 tablet for some note taking with onenote. I'm having a problem because it is difficult to navigate the page and also draw on the page with the Wacom pen, because it is not a touch screen, only the Wacom screen. Is there a workaround for this so I can hold and drag across the page without just drawing?

I guess I could use a mouse with one hand and write with the other (heathen lefty here)

What's the average longevity of an older model, specifically the x230? I'd like to know before pulling the trigger on a purchase.

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What is this?

>>61956663
Docking station port.

>>61956663
Wow, you must be fresh

>>61956663
NSA government quick system hack port

>>61956663
owo

t410 for 100 euros
i5, 6gb ram, 500gb hdd
should i?

>pulling the trigger

this shit needs to stop. shut the fuck up.

What /g/ think about X1 Carbon?

Is it a good thinkpad?

>>61956959
pull the trigger anon

>>61956959
I'm gonna pull your trigger if you catch what I'm throwing

Can I upgrade the HDD of an elitebook 2540p?
What should I look for?

>>61957080
a thinkpad

>>61957080
>elitebook 2540p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPXwhL0w-C8
https://www.amazon.com/MMCRE28G8MXP-0VBL1-SAMSUNG-128GB-SATA-45N7952-45N7953/dp/B00L1HX7OC/
https://www.amazon.com/Super-Talent-DuraDrive-128GB-FEU128MD1X/dp/B00TPLKQLS/

I like my W520, but it's so fucking big and clunky.

How do I pimp it out?

Hows that T430 replacement screen tech going guys?

G-guys..

>>61957483
never ever, sell it and join the W520 patricians while you can

>>61957509
no way hose, my chances of finding another decent priced Pad in the UK, let alone any from the W series, are damn slim

>>61956922
Yes.

>T420 arrives
>planning to install CloverOS
>no thread up and the website is dead
fug

Is this an okay deal? Just looking for something to plink around on doesn't need to be super fast. I'll probably be putting a cheap ssd and more ram in it eventually.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834332743&cm_re=lenovo_t430-_-34-332-743-_-Product

>>61957919
that's a bit steep...they can usually be found for under $150 pretty easily

>>61957919
There's a T430 for 200 (Free shipping) with an i7 and an SSD(America)
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T430s-Intel-Core-i7-3520M-2-90GHz-160-GB-SSD-4GB-RAM-Windows-10-/152666609911?hash=item238ba398f7%3Ag%3AAM0AAOSwSCZZfmPO&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac64dc3a1-83af-11e7-a020-74dbd18017c3%257Cparentrq%253Af2d5790015d0aa4910e31775fffaa93e%257Ciid%253A1

I have a t420 and w530 I want to get more Thinkpads. I'm thinking about getting a w520 but it's similar to my w530. What Thinkpad would you recommend?

>>61958070
Get a x61 or x41 for the retro feel
Or an x220 if you just want a smaller form factor

>>61956911
i want an owo port

where do i get an owo port

>>61958331
bottom of thinkpade

>>61954265
what are the idle temps for a thinkpad x220 i read the x series runs hot

>>61956596
Bump

Why do people always recommend the x230 over the x220, the t430 over the t420, and the t530 over the t520? The performance difference is tiny, is there some aesthetic thing I'm not aware of?

>>61959171
Incredibly better integrated graphics.

Pls help, I'm trying to Hackintosh an X220 but I don't have a Mac. How do I make the boot USB?

>>61959268
ask a friend, or find a torrent.

>>61959289
I'm on vacation so no friends, do you know of a torrent?

>>61959226
thanks, I just looked it up

that is quite the difference

Which is the best QM processor to get for my T420 from a price/performance standpoint?

>>61959316
Fucking google it

>>61959171
>integrated graphics performance difference is not tiny
>dedicated graphics, if you want that, are also much better than the _20 options
>lower temps/less throttling, and higher end processors are significantly better
>usb3.0 in all models
And desu I kinda like the new keyboard. The keys still curve in so still type really nice and I find myself doing less typos than the classic keyboard

>>61955190
Because after the T430 generation they switched to ULV CPUs which are much lower power draw but also weaker as a result

Can I put an i7-3920XM on a T430? Is it safe?

>>61959431
Found one, thanks.

>>61954265
what's the best performing retro looking thinkpad i can get for 250 or less?

I have too many ThinkPads, what alternative OSs should I install? I already have Haiku on my X220 and TempleOS on my T60, as well as OpenIndiana on my System76.

$110 for T420 (i5, 1366x768)

Currently in desperate need of a cheap laptop for graduate school. Should I do it?

>>61960667
That's kind of expensive, mine was similar at $62.

>>61960684
I thought it was alright, it well under the thinkpad buying guide's auction price

I like my W520, however I'm not too fond of the keyboard or screen.
Is it possible to get a better screen and an alternative keyboard?
I've looked up keyboards, but they're all the same original ones.
For the screen, I feel like it's too dim. I was hoping for something more brighter, fresh, and crisp.

Friend has an HP EliteBook Folio 9480m that I like. Tried it out and thought it was nice, and they seem cheap considering what they are. I want a laptop that I can use to word process and maybe play some starcraft 2 during lunch.

Yay or neh?

Want a laptop with at least 1600x900 resolution and can get for a good price. I really like the nipple on ThinkPads but are Dells any better or are they the same? I'll just be using it for school really.

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What are you using your pre Lenovo thinkpad for /tpg/?

G40 is good for dicking around in AutoCAD

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>>61961531
all ive been doing all day with it, after i found this 1280x1024 monitor anyway, is making weird shit

this is what happens when you make a polar array of circles on the right side of a host circle, 359 times in a 360 degree radius
and then zoom into the center to see the render errors at that zoom level make some neat shapes

after this i think im gonna design a neat desk, and then after that, a wooden horizontal computer case, beacuse the one LGR reviewed was overpriced garbage

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>>61961544
and then every time you regen it you get a new pattern
i feel like theres a lot of math here that i will never understand
but im a casual novice hobbyist, not a professional

How much would I be losing in terms of useability if I opted for a X60 instead of an X220? No lenovo trampstamp seems cool but I'd be getting a core 2 duo and 4 gb of ram which seems really weak.

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X230 is really comfy. I've got a great desktop but this I can shitpost and play my backlog in bed while munching.
Win7 is a bitch compared to Ubuntu but the battery life is a little better. And classic theme is the way to go.

I just got a fully decked out t420 and I already want to buy a x230 tablet. Could probably afford it by selling one of my 3.60 vitas and some other junk I'm not using.

>>61961702
You can use cpufreq-utils throttle the CPU down to <1600MHz and similar battery life to windows without losing much performance.

# cpufreq-set -u 1200MHz

You used to be able to select clock speed using indicator-cpufreq by default, but now you have to pass a kernel option to enable the legacy power states. I'm not sure if that sets the max clock, or just sets a fixed clock.

There's really no use in using the "powersave" mode over "balanced" in Ubuntu. powersave turns off turbo, but you need to actually throttle the max CPU frequency below stock to get any proper gains.

>>61959451
you forgot
>shit locked bios

>>61959417
2720qm

>>61962059
will it become a throttlebook if you do this?

x60s arrived

bios password

ffs stupid sellers

Where do you guys buy ThinkPads from? Currently looking at amazon and they seem more expensive than you people make them out to be.
Looking for an x250, is it worth it or should I be looking at something else from the X series?

>>61959503
Sure, just pay attention to the thermal paste, mine is throttling bc I'm too lazy to fix it

>>61963254

That is Bullshit......

>>61963492

Ebay......Amazon sellers will rob you

>>61954416
I used one for your purposes. I had to stop using it since I kept getting horrific headaches after using it for a while. Turns out there was a screen flicker when on battery that was barely noticeable. If the brightness was maxed, It was almost impossible to see, but I still got the headaches. Hopefully you have a better experience.

>>61958690
Nobody knows this shit??

>>61964061
like 50 or something just check the internet for average idle temps

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I have T440p and the piece of shit is legit a radiator

The HDD went above 60 degrees Celsius when it was idle sitting on a flat wooden desk with only a browser open, also the other parts get incredibly hot for no reason

I even tried repasting it and cleaning it with canned air and nothing helped
do I just have to live with this shit being this hot?

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>>61954309
Second for being poor and buying the W520

>>61954265
Genuine serial ultrabay to 9.5mm or $10 "fenvi"?
Anyone got experience? Do they use rubycon caps?

i'm getting a t440p and upgrading the CPU to a 4700HQ so i can run windows and linux at the same time. should i run windows as a main install with linux as a vm or vice versa? anything else i should take a look at upgrading when i buy it?

>>61955478
Just a straight panel swap? Any other mods needed, anon?

>>61966015
You can run either in a VM even on a pentium 4.
No reason to get a quadcore to run just 1 VM

>>61966015
Get a new trackpad and swap it, the macbook trackpad ripoff is fucking terrible on the T440p
Also get a HDD ultrabay
Any cheap one from aliexpress will do even

>>61966170
which trackpad model would you recommend? which are compatible? >>61966111
i figure i might as well have 4 logical cores per OS just for the sake of running those pesky windows pajeet applications fast

>>61966234
The T450 Trackpad is compatible but it's pain to swap it

>>61966234
>>61966295
Also when buying the T450 trackpad, make sure to get a Synaptics version of it
Best bet would be buying an actual T450 Palmrest with the trackpad, since that's how Lenovo mails the replacement parts

Also prepare for driver hell in Windows 10 probably

>>61966234
With VMs it doesn't take away cores from the main OS.
It shares cpu time like any normal program on your machine

>>61966420
planning on using a mouse primarily anyhow, thanks for the advice

>>61954265
Does anyone know where to actually source the s version of the LVDS to eDP board?

>>61962736
it's the beefier cpu you could use without dwelling into housefire territory from my experience

>>61964976
something's wrong with your unit, here's mine >>61936446

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>>61966471
Also I had the T440p for two years so some recommendations:

Be extra gentle with the USB ports and keyboard
The plastic insert in the USB port on the right side of my laptop randomly snapped when plugging in a mouse and the keys randomly popped off after some time

And when you get a warranty repair, make sure to test EVERYTHING

>>61966785
Well fuck
It's also like 3 months old brand new board, because Lenovo fucked my warranty repair and destroyed the mobo, so they had to replace it for free
And my warranty expired this month
Here are the temps with just few 4chan and a youtube tabs open
Mind you, it's sitting on a proper desk and all I did today was just browse internet, no graphic or CPU intensive stuff

how are the 1st and 2nd gen models of the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon? i see a lot of them being sold by refurb companies for super cheap with i7's/i5's. any particular reason they're so cheap compared to something like the 3rd gen?

any advantages of getting a second gen over the first gen?

>>61961531
When my T60 gets here I'm planning to Libreboot it and install TempleOS.

What is the normal battery time for a t420? Seller says it is 3 h

>>61966075
As long as you have a 1600x900 panel already in your t420 its just a straight up swap. If you have a 1366x768 model you will need a new video cable to use the 1600x900 screen.

That sounds about right for a 6 cell. I get around 4 if I go autisitic with power saving.

Apparently my thinkpad has anti-theft botnet on it
Is it even useful or should I just deactivate it?
I live in a shitty area full of gypsies and I constantly carry the laptop with me, so the probability of being robbed is pretty high

Why should I get a T420 over a t470 other than the 420 is much cheaper?

>>61967081
anyone?

>>61968048
X1 is not a real Thinkpad.

If you like thin just buy a Macbook air.

>>61967729
What does it do?
Publish its location over the internet once the OS has started?

I'd rather encrypt my drive to prevent gypsies from booting my OS in the first place.

>>61968067
>X1 is not a real Thinkpad.
what does this even mean?

>If you like thin just buy a Macbook air.
i can find used/refurbished gen 3 carbon x1's for £499 with full HD screen, i7, 8gb ram etc but even the cheapest macbook from the same time costs like £799 used

>>61968109
Apparently it's a dedicated co-processor on the cpu and runs before the os does
Pretty scary desu

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On the lookout for a new battery for my x230. I heard not to get chink batteries as they usually lie about the capacity.

Does anyone have experience buying from ebay? Are these legit?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Laptop-battery-44-9-Cells-94-Wh-X220-X220i-X230-X230i-45N1029-/262945102532

>>61967101
Forget it. These ThinkPads shipped only with 32 bit processors, so you won't be able to run it.

Can anyone tell me what thinkpads following the t61 that can use its hdd? Looking to upgrade but carry over my files. Basically it took a shit and I want to keep using the hdd. Looking at 410s atm

>>61968478
Mine has a Core2Duo in it?

>>61968615
The Core 2 Duos in IBM models are 32 bit

>>61968615
Nah, you'll have a Core Duo, not a Core 2 Duo. There is a difference.

>>61968674
No they're not, the core duos are.

>>61968832
Core 2 Duo are available in 32 bit

Just bought a replacement 1600 x 900 screen and cable for my T420, then saw that some i7's go for dirt cheap. Would my system be able to keep that cool with the stock fans?

>>61968856
What i7s are you talking about? Just look at the TDP of them. I don't know much if you could stick something that generates more heat, but one pastebin in OP mentions using a different cooler to pull it off.

>>61957483
I hope you like your 900p screen anon
I like mine

>>61957696
Well I guess it's time to install gentoo

>>61968917
2640M and 2620M to be specific. They were apparently an option for t420's, but I don't know if those ones came with stronger coolers than what my 2520M model came with.

>>61961896
>keyboard or battery needs only a EC flash which doesn't require special tools
>bios flash is literally a five dollar cable and flasher (ras pi or similar)
Wow anon that was so fucking hard

>>61968067
Disregard this fucking idiot

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>>61968989
TDPs are the same as the CPU I have in my T420. I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work.

You could even slap in an ivy bridge if you used a modified bios or coreboot. You'd get a better integrated GPU that way.

>>61969106
>You could even slap in an ivy bridge if you used a modified bios or coreboot
How much soldering does that require? I looked up coreboot earlier but I'm still a bit on the fence if I want to try it. I've killed enough Xbox 360's in my time

>>61969129
I've never done it, but you could get an rpi and a clip for the bios chip to flash coreboot. If you make a backup of the original bios, it should be easy to roll back if you screw anything up.

CPU is in a PGA socket, so you shouldn't have much trouble with that. I don't think you'd need a soldering iron at all to do it.

>>61960667
Yes. It's a good price

Is x230 less durable than t430? I heard there were some build quality issues where the top part of the lid can break off easily.

>>61968712
>>61968847
This is 32-bit?
https://ark.intel.com/products/27254/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T5600-2M-Cache-1_83-GHz-667-MHz-FSB

>>61969424
In that case someone probably replaced it.

>>61968478
Fug

About to install arch on my x230 for the first time, any tips?

>>61968428
I got mine for $75 off Newegg.

>>61968988
Trying out Kali first, then I'll probably use Sourcemage.

>>61969567
Yeah, install Gentoo instead.

>>61969567
There's a page on ArchWiki about some hardware quirks with your machine.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X230

What should I install on my X220?

>>61969091
explain?

>>61969505
It's a stock 2007GEU
http://tp.krelay.de/index.php?type=2007geu

>>61959268
Get the El Captain VM and create the USB thru that.. that's what I did

>>61969585
No
>>61969599
Thanks, yea I saw that one, was just wondering if anyone in the thread has any experience with it and could recommend some packages.

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My replacement Nip keyboard came today so I feel ready to show off my project!

Here's what's left of my X201! I bought a X200 on ebay with a decent processor and swapped the innards around, here are the specs:

- 8GB's of RAM
- 250GB SSD
- Core2 P8700
- Librebooted
- Japanese keyboard
- Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Card
- HV121WX4-120 Matte Display

All running a completely FOSS operating system! My daily driver is complete!

>>61969679
I've installed thinkfan from AUR, and set up my wm to handle some hardware keys, because I don't use a de.

That's pretty much it. I'm surprised how many things worked without configuration on my T420.

>>61969685
Pretty nice. What distro are you running on it?

>>61969685
I love your machine awoo-chan~
I planned on getting one too so before I do that: Are osu! and 2hu playable through wine or PlayOnLinux? Can you tell me anything about it? (and yes I know hurr gurr gaymen is childish but these games are probably two of my absolute favorites and I would want to be able to play them on the go on a comfy machine)

>>61969632
Didn't know that. Lenovo sites listed only Core solos and duos in these machines.

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>>61963894
Well, that kinda worries me since I'm sensitive to light and have been prone to migraines since I was a kid.
I've read a few places that the x200 allows you to choose between a 50Hz and a 60Hz refresh rate (50Hz being reserved for power-saving purposes).
Maybe forcing the setting to 60Hz will remedy the issue?
Sorta spitballing here, as there are probably a thousand other reasons why one would develop agonizing headaches from using the x200 for extended periods of time, but there are people on the Lenovo forums who lament the same problem.
Thanks for the heads up.

>>61968989
You can upgrade to a quad core if you want, as long as you stick to the lower end quad cores to avoid housefires that is.

>>61969685
>tfw I'm waiting for a weeb keyboard as well but only because it was dirt cheap and had the comfy big enter key
Can you remap the kana keys next to the space bar? I'm planning on using them to switch workspaces.

>>61969738
Thanks!! Debian Unstable/Experimental!

>>61969760
Most likely for Touhou, assuming you're playing an older one of them. As for OSU, I'm uncertain. Your best bet is to ditch wine and use a Virtual Machine. However, if you're OK with running non-free software, your best bet is to purchase a newer, more capable machine than a X200.

>>61969784
Yes, you can! They're recognized as normal key inputs!

>>61967503

Ah man... I got the 1366x768 on my t430, but a 1600x900 in my t420. I would really like to do the swap on my t430. Thanks anon.

>>61970269
swap the screens along with the cables then

>>61969627
A macbook air is in no way a proper replacement for something like an X1. Only a faggot would say otherwise.

>>61969760
>>61970264
Osu! runs like a dream in wine-staging. I get much better framerates than I used to back in the day on windows.

I don't know how stable release is though, but iirc it has a gold status on WineHQ.

I guess the old integrated GPU should be *enough*, in worst case lowering the resolution should make it better.

>>61970269
its very easy to swap the cable just need to spend the 6 bucks for one.

>>61970336
would you recommend an x1 though? i'm looking to buy a refurbished one. how hard is it to replace components if something fucks up like the keyboard or trackpad?

Do y'all recommend the T470? I looked through the buyer's guide and I didn't find any mention of it. It seems pretty nice and I think that's what I'll be getting for starting uni later this month. I'm majoring in comp sci. I am open to other suggestions though

>>61970528
we don't do new thinkpads here, they're overpriced for consumers
if you aren't spending your own money, go nuts of course, but otherwise a used machine is a far better deal

>>61970591
Do you think the specs would be comparable? I just want it to be able to last me through uni (5 ish years), and I'm worried that if I get something that's already 3 or 4 years old then it won't be able to last that long, especially considering I will be doing some engineering stuff on it.

>>61970528
Get a cheap tp like x220 and build a desktop with the rest. Buying new TPs for full price isn't worth it. The best deal on Lenovo's corporate store is for t570 for 670$. This is still bearable. You'd probably want to make sure that the software you need works with integrated graphics, tho

>>61970484
I don't have experience replacing parts in them, but I used one provided by my work for about a year and it was a solid machine. I would guess that repair/replacement would be significantly more difficult than on a standard thinkpad due to the form factor.

>>61954265
Paid $42 for a Thinkpad T420s which had been stripped bare, no RAM, HDD, ODD, Screen, RAM cover was missing & so was the HDD bay cover & caddy, it was junk, sunk about $70 into it and soldered a blown fuse and it works GREAT I basically got a brand new laptop with a Core i5 for $115

I fell for the meme and it worked out better than expected.

All my friends liked it, they liked that it was black, that the keyboard wasn't shit, they saw the stupid gimmicky ThinkLight and said "I wish my laptop had that" So I bought another and I'm fixing it up, I might just start doing this to earn sidecash, they're so easy to work on.

Welp, I've officially fallen for the Thinkpad meme. Just bought an i7 X201 tablet with an SSD off of ebay

>>61970722
You can get a completely working one on ebay for $110 and not have to put in any of that work

>>61970758
I bought all this on ebay, and they usually go for around $200 more once you factor in the shipping, sure I could have waited for a better deal but I would have rather fixed the machine anyway, I like fixing computers

>>61970758
It wasn't that much work either, I'd take apart a machine to clean it anyway so I just swapped out the screen while I was in there, you usually switch the whole upper assembly on a thinkpad, rather than the LCD which struck me as strange but whatever, the screen with the bezel and backplate was cheaper than the screen by itself, so I went with that. RAM slots in, ODD slots in, HDD slots in, basically lego for nerds, no real work involved. Turns out the screen had been removed because the backlight fuse was bad on the mobo, took maybe an hour to find and fix. It's a common problem on the T4XX series, they used a 3amp fuse on a really demanding circuit where it doesn't need to be, the backlight can handle mild fluctuations, as a result those fuses blow out for like no reason, which is why I just soldered the contacts together, easy so long as you aren't a brainlet. All in all it was a good way to spend a saturday morning

>>61970635
On the t570 can I put in more storage? I don't think 250 gb will be enough.

>>61970843
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=t570+max+hdd

>>61969577
>kali
>ever
Just use source mage

>>61970888
kali has a legitimate use case in that it comes bundled with a lot of tools and you can run it live, just use whatever the fuck works you autist

Got a t520 with an upgraded screen in it. Everything works fine, but the front panel doesn't stay attached. Is this easy to fix or should I just ignore it?

>>61970843
I don't know. I'm guessing 2 slots, one mainbay and one msata port. It does have the same storage slots as a t470 so you're literally buying the same laptop.

>>61970888
I'm having trouble installing source mage, can't make a bootable usb.

On Monday everyone I work with gets a new surface pro and we have to hand in our T420's, should I change the POST screen to goatse?

What BIOS am I supposed to use on a T420?

>>61970908
If I was buying the same laptop why would they be different models, sorry if I'm just being autistic.
I just compared the specs pages and the only things different were a mechanical docking port on t570 that the t470 didn't have. Also the 570 has longer battery life and a bigger screen but costs less, so whats the catch?

What's the big deal about the keyboards on the thinkpads? Why are they so much better?

>>61971083
Mostly just the amount of travel.

Many people also prefer the layout to most other layouts, but I think it's just what you're used to.

>>61971126
It's still a QWERTY keyboard right? How is the layout different?

>>61970931
Then gentoo?
I haven't tried source mage myself

>>61971083
>key travel
>actuation force (though this is more personal)
>layout (especially on the older keyboards)

>>61971158
More keys that aren't stacked on each other
As in you have more keys stacked in a similar layout and number to how it's on a traditional keyboard
Just look up T420 keyboard (or whatever older model you want)

>>61971083

nothing.

just some people trying to justify their purchase

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>>61971245
(You)

>>61970961
modded with unlocked ram and no pci whitelist + cute anime bios logo

>>61971291
Where to get?

>>61971029
>If I was buying the same laptop why would they be different models, sorry if I'm just being autistic.
Just a size difference. The internals are same.

Also I think there's a sale going on, and that's why it's cheaper.
And it's a bit heavier than t470, so there's that. That won't affect you, unless you're a manlet.

>>61970961
Coreboot.

>>61971330
Is coreboot a BIOS? I thought it was a bootloader.

>>61971242
>Just look up T420 keyboard (or whatever older model you want)

wait, is this actually possible? are all thinkpad keyboards compatible with different models? i've found a gen 2 x1 carbon with good specs for cheap but the keyboard layout is a fucking abortion and the touch bar thing at the top in place for the f-keys is shit.

I have a new X220 mobo, thinking of building the machine up. Anyone else ever do something similar, any tips?

>>61971367
No. You can swap an old keyboard into a xx30 ThinkPad after modifying it a bit, but newer ones won't be able to use it, because they redesigned it too much.

>>61971367
Nope just xx30 model thinkpads (and even those are only compatible with the xx20 and xx10)

There's a reason to why that X1 gen 2 is cheap anon.
And yes it is the keyboard

>>61971029
>a mechanical docking port on t570 that the t470 didn't have.

I'm fairly sure they both have it, and even the T470s has one?

Just look at the Lonovo site to compare them.
Specifically try out the custom configurations to see all the options.

14" is obviously more portable.
But you pay for it in both added costs (they are harder to make) and performance (they are harder to cool, so will throttle sooner)

One thing I don't like about the 14" T line is how they split it into T470, T470s and T470p.
Where they are trying to push you towards either more expensive "s" or "p" versions by not offering the QHD screen on the plain T470.
Making the plain T470 a sort of "budget" model but it's the only one with dual (internal + external) batteries like the T570.
The T470s has no external battery and the T470p has no internal battery and also has far worse battery life due to a far more power hungry quad core CPU.
So if want want both great battery life and a QHD screen you have to go for 15".

If you're happy with 15" I would go for the T570.....well, I would go for a P51 but that's just me having too much money.

>>61971385
You don't even have to modify it
It's literally drop it
The contacts handle themselves

>>61971400
What about these tabs that have to be sanded off? ThinkWiki mentions them in their guide.

>>61971386
would you prefer a slightly cheaper gen 2 with a 1440p ips touchscreen with that keyboard or a slightly more expensive gen 3 with a 1080p TN screen with a superior keyboard?

>>61971158
>It's still a QWERTY keyboard right? How is the layout different?

Where they put insert, delete, arrow keys, page-up/-down etc. etc.

Little things can make a big difference.
Personally I got triggered by the placement of the Fn key in the bottom left where I expect a Ctrl.
Shit like that can drive you nuts when you switch between a stand alone keyboard and a laptop keyboard.
And on most brands it's far worse than on Thinkpads.
But if you only use the laptop keyboard I think any layout will work for you in time.

>>61970334
Ah ok thanks anon

>>61970404
Thanks anon... any chance you got link to said cable?

>>61971466
>Personally I got triggered by the placement of the Fn key in the bottom left where I expect a Ctrl.
You can easily toggle that in BIOS.

can you get mechanical trackpoint keyboards?

>>61971466
>Personally I got triggered by the placement of the Fn key in the bottom left where I expect a Ctrl.

literally the same as the normiebook keyboard layout

>>61971395
Thanks for the detailed reply.
Here is the info listed under the specs page of both laptops on the lenovo site:
T470 Ports :
3 x USB 3.0
1 x Thunderbolt™ 3 port (USB Type-C)
3.5 mm Combo Audio Jack
1 x HDMI™
1 x RJ45 Gigabit LAN
1x CS13 Docking
1 x Media Card Reader (SD 3.0, UHS-I)
1 x Smart Card Reader (Optional)
1x Micro SIM
t570 Ports:
3 x USB 3.0
1 x USB Type-C / Thunderbolt™ 3 port
3.5 mm Combo Audio Jack
1 x HDMI™
1 x RJ45 Gigabit LAN
1x Mechanical Docking

So the 470 doesn't mention a mechanical docking port. Also is there really a big difference in regards to portability between 14 and 15 inches? I think the 15 inch would probably be better.

>>61971423
For the T410 keyboard not T420

>>61971517
http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40PGA
This or IBM model M13.

I've seen another keyboard that was 60% and it unfortunately shipped only with Cherry MX Brown switches.

>>61971430
Gen 3
You can tilt the screen 180 degrees anyway
That's enough to compensate for the shit angles
You just can't look past the keyboard though

>>61954265
can the thinkpad p70/p50 with a M2000M or up GPU run overwatch decently?

>>61971330
Where to get?

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>>61971537
You can see the docking ports in the pictures.
I think Lenovo just forgot to mention it.

I know for a fact that the T460 and T460p both have mechanical docking ports, but the T460s does not.
I was surprised to see it even on the T470s picture, and it's clearly the correct picture because it has no rear battery.

>is there really a big difference in regards to portability between 14 and 15 inches?

Not really, but some backpacks (like mine) aren't big enough for a 15" laptop.
15" is basically the standard and will fit >90% of bags.

I used to carry a whole stack of (paper) books and writing material to university, everybody did.
People who claim a modern 15" laptop is too big or heavy are just pussies to be honest.

The reason I use a backpack that can only fit a 14" laptop is becasue it has a very nice open back for loads of ventilation so I don't get a sweaty back after cycling to the office.

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>>61971324
my.mixtape.moe/yvasab.zip

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>>61971752
Is there already an anime bootscreen on that? Can I change it to a different anime?

>>61971773
No, that's the modded bios with default settings and logo.

Yes you can change the logo to whatever you want, it's easy.

>>61971786
Thanks m8

>>61971631
http://lmgtfy.com/?s=d&iie=1&q=coreboot

>>61970906
I guess I should clarify, the panel mostly stays attached, but one side doesn't stay latched. It's almost like it's stripped

Do you lose anything by using Coreboot instead of the native bios (I have a T60 with ATI video)?

>>61971271

Actually, my keyboard is a Das Keyboard II

Actually I don't even have a laptop, I have a PC + iPad, but if I bought a laptop, I would buy that.

>>61969685
There you are again. Still love your rice. 95 was infinitely more comfy than most DEs are today.

>>61956332
Yes but it's old as fuck. How can you even do heavy work on a Core 2 Duo these days?

@61972047
Now I feel bad for giving you a (you) in the first place

>>61972231
>How can you even do heavy work on a Core 2 Duo these days?
You should define "heavy work" if you want to talk about that.

I'm installing Slackware, what mouse option should I choose to use the clitmouse?

Is an l412 for $75 good? 320 hdd 4 gb ram i5 processor

>>61972292
3 webbrowser pages, basic ssh, music, email client, and RSS reader.

Not "heavy" at all but my Core 2 chokes when I do that. Running Debian and XFCE here. Don't get me wrong, a Core 2 is plenty for most tasks but not what I use it for.

>>61972334
That should be fine unless you only have 1GB of RAM.

>>61972334
Which Core 2 Duo do you have? My T9300 handles all that and more without even trying. Penryn aged remarkably well.

>>61970947
Sure if you want to get canned

>>61972437
>Penryn aged remarkably well
Too bad my Core 2 Duo doesn't even have vt-x. It's still adequate for tasks >>61972334 mentioned, it's even capable of light streaming while playing games if you know what you're doing.

I wanna get my first thinkpad for university and light-decent programming, does anybody have some advice for me? (germany)
i'm looking at a refurbished T420 with an i5 2520M @ 2.5 Ghz, 16gb ram and a 1tb hdd for 390€ (~$458) . might get about 74€ off aswell because taxes and stuff.

>>61972982
>t420 with average specs except the ram
>$458
that's expensive m8, and this is coming from a third worlder

>>61973017
even with the 74€/$87 off? i'm already having a hard time finding acceptable TPs as a first timer. honestly not even sure anymore if there are any good prices for them in germany

>>61973081
it shouldn't be more than $250. $250 only if it's in mint condition.

>>61973081
>germany
Prices in Germany are pretty high but if you're willing to pay a bit extra for refurbishing, try Luxnote. Prices are OK for Germany

>>61973207
>>61973081
Just checked. T420 with 1600x900, 4GB RAM, 320GB HDD for 222€. They do a good job at refurbishing btw.

>>61973247
damn that really looks great. thanks man that was a huge help.

What's a good price for a T440p w/ fhd screen and i7?

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Legit or chink knockoff?

>>61973332
400--500 USD.

Which thinkpads have the bug in the bios that disables the whitelist?

>>61973933
>blurry or covered lenovo logo
fake

>>61974139
How does one go about getting a non-fire hazard replacement battery for a T520 these days then? I assume getting your hands on an original battery that Lenovo shipped with the laptop in 2012 is impossible at this point.

>>61974289
Dunno i don't care about that, i have a fake 9-cell battery on my T420 and it just works.

I can't get original batteries even if i wanted so it's either fake battery or no battery at all.

just picked up a lightly used x230 for $200. i5, 256 GB SSD. just installed Windows 7.

how'd I do?

>>61971493
Search for 04W1618 on ebay.

>>61974437
I'd be happy with that machine for that price.
Now install gentoo

>>61972207
You're not wrong at all! Thank you!!

Can I upgrade my T420 BIOS without an OS installed?

>>61969685
>100% libre
>no touchpad
>mint condition
>weapons grade autism wallpaper and DE

do you want to make me jealous anon?

>>61969056
Yes but it is hard.

>>61974534
Eh, close to mint. You can't see back and top chassis in the picture. The top is in pretty great condition, but the bottom is a little used... I could probably spend another $50 or so and make it look brand new, but it's whatever. Thank you for the kind words, though! <3

>>61971752
Forgot to thank you but you posted this a while back and I'm now using a intel 7260 successfully because of it. Only issue I had was I needed to downgrade my bios.

Most likely a drunk vlog later on tonight boys.

>>61955190
ULV CPUs dominates the laptop market.
I think Intel is doing this to push desktop sales.
Plus the heatsinks of these machines are considerably thinner.
When I had a Zbook G3 Studio, the fucking fans went 100% when I started playing league.
Sounded like shit, even tho the M1000m GPU and Xeon CPU would smoke my 2.whatever i5 I had in my T430s....

>>61955440
>mfw I sold a 2.4GHz i7, 8GB, 256GB SSD, 1080p nVidia E6520 for $240 last week from my ebay
>sell a 2.2GHz i7 E6430 w/ 8GB 240GB SSD, 900p w/ nVidia w/ 130W & PR03X dock for $300 at work

I mean there are better deals out there, but yeah ye did ok... Not everyone could find an FHD W530 for $250 shipped

>>61957696
Sounds like Chanology

>>61958070
T43p 15" UXGA for lulz

>>61960937
It will suck for gaming thanks to its cooling.
I wouldn't trust it because >HP

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Help. I disassembled my t420 and now i can't make it turn on. Follows what i did before fucking it up:
>took off the case (battery, ram cover, bottom case, keyboard, front case) and assembled it again (i was going to clean everything but before i could touch other things shit happened at work and had to leave it alone)
>came back from work
>tried to turn it on but it did not boot
>beeped 1,3,3,1 and died out
>checked the manual online and it said the number of beeps indicated a memory problem
>disassembled it again, changed the RAM card to the other slot, assembled everything
>tried to turn it on
>no beeps
>thinkpad logo appears in the screen then some green horizontal lines and everything dies after 2 seconds
I am not sure what it is wrong now. I am afraid it might be some energy problem, i disassembled everything and assembled it again over my bed on a blanket that easily build static and i was not grounded. Does it have any hope? If i really did irreversible kill my thinkpad, what can i save from it carcass?

>>61974726
Hey do you have any experience with the t440p? can you help me with this please ;-;? rbt.asia/g/thread/61905312/#q61906067

>>61974907
If you end up having to scrap it, I'll buy the chassis off you.

>>61975029
Are you sure? I live in third world country far from the US, if you don't mind the high price for the shipping tax i could sell it to you.

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>>61967811
Battery life, and better gaming/rendering graphics.
But if the T420 breaks, not much lost, can be fixed cheap.

>>61968067
Oh please
ThinkPads died when they went to 16:10.
It's just a thinner, lighter ThinkPad
And that thinkpad is a thinner, lighter, less build quality T60.

>>61968137
They are just an elitist about TPs
Disreguard, if you want a 'real thinkpad' buy an IBM T4x, X3x, G4x, T3x, A3x, T2x, X2x, A2x and anything before that minus the i series and 300.

>>61968544
410s uses 1.8" drives, so hella no
T420 and later use 2.5" drives but must be 7mm or thinner, not 9.5mm like most HDDs during the T6x era.
I believe you can get away with buying a ultrabay HDD adapter tho, they should fit 9.5mm drives.

>>61969400
yeah, idk why they made that line break on the lid, it fucks them up for some reason.

>>61970484
They aren't that hard to replace.

>>61970528
Is this your first thinkpad?
If so, then yes, it is a good machine.
Is this your second thinkpad?
do you hate the botnet, do you hate chinese parts, do you hate life?
Then a T470 is not for you, anon.

>>61975122
How much would it cost to ship to France?

>>61975017
T440p and T440s can upgrade from 720p to 1080p without a cord swap
base T440 does not work, as it is a motherboard issue that wont let it work.
The base T450 and later are able to work.

On my video I used a chimei IPS panel, it worked well, not as nice as my B140HAN01.3 on the T430s (i have the FHD chip mod installed)

I did a video about it too. It just depends what panel you are going to use. off the top of my head, I don't know what other panels are compatible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvokhDoyQ0s

>>61974907
If you did it over a blanket, you might of scrapped it.
Always good to do things on tile and a wooden table.
Maybe try out the thinkpad power trick? dunno if it works on lelnovo models after the R400
>http://www.masnick.com/2007/09/07/the-secret-thinkpad-powerbutton-code-to-bring-dead-laptops-back-to-life/

>>61975265
Amazing, thanks.

Yeah i bought an AUO B140HAN01.3 but got confused because of the lane thing, just waiting for it to arrive.

>>61971752
I don't know how to use this

>>61975342
plug the akarin into the yuruyuri slot

or just double click the. exe that works too

what's the newest thinkpad I can get that had Windows XP drivers developed for it and where can I download those drivers?

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Just bought a w530 today. less than $400
this beauty will last me for years

>>61975384
I couldn't find a working BIOS in the folder to use with the exe.

>>61975449
winuptp.exe

>>61975162
I could not find a reliable place online to calculate the price, the only one I found said it could be over $ 100. I live in Brazil btw.

>>61975265
Thats really cool but it did not work. The green horizontal lines have disappeared, but the laptop only works for 3 or 4 seconds before crashing. I can open the boot menu, but before doing anything, it crashes.

>>61975519
Hmmm... that is really weird.
Is the LCD ribbon cable fucked up or is the connector bad?
The green lines reminds me of graphical issues...
Also check if USB ports are broken, that could stop it.
Best of luck anon.
The only issues I get when changing thermal paste is the battery not wanting to charge.

>>61975519
Fucking hell, it's impossible to find a chassis but at that price I may as well just get another one and transplant it.

>>61970528
With all honesty, Lenovo has really improved their ThinkPad lineup. The 60 series was pretty good but the new 70 series is great. They're still not on par with IBM models but they're the best Lenovo has produced so far.

My x220 battery just crapped out on me. I bought my x220 on ebay used and the performance of it was always pretty poor so I'm not too surprised.

Anyway, does /tpg/ recommned a certain type of replacement battery? or should I just get the cheapest chineses 9-cell?

>>61975556
Thank you for your help.
I will try to open it again tomorrow. I am so tired that i am afraid i might fuck things further if continue to fuss over it now.
I never had problems with the screen before and it disappeared completely after toying with the magic power button. I will check the USB ports.

>>61975595
Its even worse to import things from other countries, the tax on electronics is absurd.

>>61974449
Oh thank you anon!!!

>>61975667
I bought a Lenovo branded 9-cell for mine, $75 off Newegg.

When I try to

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>>61976029
get more RAM

>>61976073
I have 4GB, isn't that enough?

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I pretty much just run arch, i3, vim and firefox and I have quite a lot of shekels. Which thinkpad should I get?

>>61960690
they're memeing thats a great price

Got an x200 for 60 bucks, Did I do good?

>>61976167
It's not bad, but it's not great. Just good. I'd take it if I didn't already have one.

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>>61976259
I jumped on it since all these looneys think they can get 100 plus for x200's lmao.

Alright fellas, T series or X1?

>>61966995
i appreciate the help but at 90 bucks cheaper (60 after a new battery) the t420 was the obvious choice given the quality issues the haswell thinkpads suffered, so mine's shipped and in the mail, i am now officially a t420 memer

probably getting a new n pretty (TM) laptop in a couple years anyways so maybe when i'm all done with this one i'll libreboot it and sell it for a profit

>>61976311
is that a real question? T series of course. If you're really concerned about speed then get something in the Tx30 series and rice the hell out of it with more ram, ssd, and better keyboard.

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>>61976311
*sigh*

>Buy T420 with 6 cell battery.
>Surprised at how light it is.
>Compare the weight to a consumer 15.6 Toshiba I got 2 years ago before falling for the Thinkpad meme.
>T420 is lighter yet larger in size.
Am I dumb for being surprised the Thinkpad is lighter? I figured the Toshiba would be flimsy crap compared to a T420.
My T520 weighs a ton in comparison, but it has a 9 cell battery.

why does everyone recommend the t400s over the w500s?

>>61976708
because the W500 is an absolute beast in terms of size and weight even by ThinkPad standards and battery life is absolute dog shit. I'd recommend the T500 over the T400 though because it can use the suprior W500 screen

>>61976747
im a big guy, i wanted a bigger lappy. can i replace the w530 stock battery with anything better?

>>61976766
>stock battery
there are several stock batteries

so if i get a 45w tdp processor (i7 2720qm) in a 35w tdp cooling system, how housefire will i end up? because i'm certainly content with a 2620m but the two are similar prices so i figure i may as well go for the stronger cpu if the heating issues are negligible

>>61976787
Ok, educate me. What should I purchase to maximize my battery lifetime?

>>61976884
I don't know because I don't know which battery you already have. The largest battery available is a 9 cell 70Wh but if you already have that there's really no better option

>>61976855
furthermore, are there any higher tdp cooling solutions from other thinkpads which can be frankensteined into a t420?

>>61976899
>if you already have that there's really no better option
except buying a new one in case anon's 9 cell is already fucked

>>61971674
Thanks again for the detailed reply. Not only you, but all anons in this thread that have helped me I want to thank, everyone has shown a surprising level of civility. I will put all your advice into consideration.

>>61971674
There's another reason not to use 15". Modern 15" Thinkpads have numpads and that's the most annoying thing you can have on a laptop. Using it on your lap becomes extremely uncomfortable that way.

>>61977313
How does it make it uncomfortable? I think having a numpad would be really nice, especially for programming classes and engineering stuff.

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>>61963492
I just got a x260 from Lenovo Outlet for $400

1080p screen, 256gb SSD and 8gb ram.

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>>61977313
>yfw you'll never know about the A31p master race w/ UltraBay NumberPad and BSoDs

Surprisingly no one bid on the numberbay and the ultrabay cradle, $45 for both.


>>61977384
Excellent deal anon!

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I can get one of these for really cheap, are they decent?

Thinkpad Yoga 12

> 256GB SSD
> 8GB RAM
> 5th gen i5 U
> Full HD IPS display

>>61977370
it's terrible. if the keyboard is offset a laptop is only good for desk use. it'r gonna give you chronic RSI if you use it on your lap for long periods of time

>>61977394
This is good because you can keep the keyboard centered on your

>>61977501
lap

>>61977501
How would it give you RSI any more than just using a regular desktop keyboard would? I'm not trying to be argumentative I'm really just trying to understand. You would be using it on your lap or a desk anyway most of the time.

>>61977394
Hey what's that in your picture? Is that a numpad in an optical drive? That would probably solve the solution to the problem that >>61977501
and I were discussing. I'm >>61977537
by the way.

>>61977537
Because a desktop keyboard is centered in front of you so your wrists don't bend to either side when typing. If you use a laptop with a numpad on your lap you can't center the keyboard because the laptop would drop between your legs.

>>61977586
I should be more specific, the home row is centered in front of you. The numpad sticks out to the right.

btw that takes a lot of space away which is why I think that on desktop keyboards the numpad should be on the left.

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>>61977618
Okay, I think I understand what you're saying. That numpad in the optical drive in that pic posted above does look like the perfect solution though. I will have to physically try both keyboard types out before I come to a conclusion, I can't just speculate. Thanks for taking the time to explain your viewpoint to me.

>>61977692
>Thanks for taking the time to explain your viewpoint to me.
thanks for not being a typical 4chan user

>>61976855
Not at all, i had the 2720qm at around 93c with constant prime95 stress test. Fine by me as long as it stays there without throttling.

>>61976922
Maybe t420 dgpu fan with two heatpipes instead of the igpu one but dunno if it's better in practice.