/pcbg/ - PC Bulding General

>Vega NOW
How about Vega NEVER?
I don't see why Vega deserves a line when i7-7700k doesn't.
Fucking AMD shill posters at it again.

>>61944720
cuck

Parts left to finish build: case, video card capable of smashing 1080p gaming, 16gbs DDR3 RAM

>>61944737
Cucks are the one buying Vegas

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It's been a while since I made a build.

Windows download center stopped letting people download the OS iso files?

Where should I get a basic 64bit windows 7 iso from now?

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Reminder to switch power profiles in windows advanced power options to High Preformance, especially on Ryzen (or download AMD's tuned balanced power plan).

Windows fucks with some power switching states and increases latency.

>>61944749

>it's similar performance to a 1070/1080...at a higher price point

>BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOT NVIDIA

lol /pcbg/ makes me pretty happy about my 6700k/gtx1080 build with their vigilant defense of AMD.

>>61944752
http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/

>>61944776
Amazing really. You see people throwing insults all the time when someone puts a i7-7700k in their build which has niche usage but Vega which runs hotter, louder and worst? Nope. Not one pip. Fucking amazing how /pcbg/ is a such a bastion for AMD shills.

>>61944776
>2017
>being a corelet

>>61944789
>2017
>Being a blind fanboy

>>61944780
>http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/

Pardon my retardation, but this is a relatively safe repository, right?
And is Daz activator 2.2 still the way to go in terms of getting it activated?

Literally no one is recommending Vega. It's a wonder how AMD even dared to put out such a disgrace after the success of Ryzen. Should've just canceled it and went straight for Navi.

>>61944787
show me one post of someone praising a Vega or recommending one

Amazing really how "anti-shills" shill harder then anyone else and keep shitting up these threads, and that RTG fucking up on vega somehow means the i7700k LITERAL DEAD CHIPSET 300$+ QUAD CORE is a better option than any high end ryzen being drop in replacements till 2020.

>>61944820
You have to determine if it is safe yourself. Trusting the words of strangers on the internet for your OS is dumb.

come laugh at my poorfag build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VRDTyf

>>61944820
safe, check md5 after download if you don't trust it.
and yeah, daz windows 7 loader still the way to go

>>61944820
it's called windows loader now

>>61944835
Fuck off moron. Is my post about people praising the Vega or recommending one? I suggest you re-read my post. This time slowly.

>>61944819
>2017
>6th gen

Has anyone tried undervolting VEGA yet? There was one time where somebody undervolted blower type rx480s and found out they got perf gains. It's bizarre.

>>61944857
>2017
>Release something that competes with 2016 releases but is somehow worse

going to delid my 7700k tonight. wish me luck.

maybe ill take pics if you guys want

its been running pretty hot even at 4.7

>>61944846
>muh amd shill boogeyman

>>61944866
No one can undervolt Vega because no one has a Vega in this thread.

>>61944866
Try GamersNexus, I think they did some tests about that.

>>61944890
>Vega in the OP
>i7-7700k isn't
It is not a boogeyman

how much do you think they will sell 8700k for?

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>>61944877
Indeed, what on earth is intel doing?

>>61944789

>corelet

yeah keep justifying the r7 series

my shit runs awesome, and cold as fuck

>>61944919
I don't know. I don't care Intel doesn't deserve to be in the OP but by the same mark neither does the Vega.

>>61944902
>people read the OP

there are still fucking idiots posting single channel ram, and there has been plenty of OP's where the entire list has been replaced by intel SKUs

the OP has always been shit and doesn't explain anything worth a damn

>>61944944
>OP has always been shit
Then why are AMDshills constantly editing it?

>tfw mugged by antifa for using intel cpus and nvidia gpus

>>61944937
the vega post is some dumb meme leftover from the SOONtm posting,

Notice how it doesnt even list any recommendeds and never will.

>>61944954
>plenty of OP's where the entire list has been replaced by intel SKUs

>>61944964
>Notice how it doesnt even list any recommendeds and never will.
And yet no one recommends against it.
Everytime there is a i5 or i7 build posted, the next 2-3 replies will be Ryzen 1600.

And yet when Vega builds get posted, no one replies for them to buy the superior Nvidia cards.

>/pcbg/
>entire thread is idiots defending multi-billion dollar corporations
why does this general even exist

>>61945000
To shill AMD products

>>61945000
because people keep posting hopeless build lists and then saying "wat do?"

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>>61944885
Good luck don't disappoint me

>>61944992
>when Vega builds get posted
this happens like once a thread
>i5
The i5 line is irrelevant in both performance and price right now, Pentium or ryzen/i7700k

reguardless, how about you quit whining and be the person to fix the vega posts and justify an i5/i7

why do you even fucking care, does intel losing at most 7 sales a day matter that much to you?

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>>61944929
>he spent an extra $100 + premium for a z270 board + extra for a cooler
>all for 5% more performance in gaymin
embarrassing

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>>61945030
wat do?

>>61945037
>Trying to spin the entire conversation as if I am an intel shill
Fuck off retard. I don't give a fuck about Intel. I give a fuck about Vega being inferior and no one actively recommends against it like they do i5. This just shows the bias in this thread for AMD which is my initial point.

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Jesus christ no wonder I had such high Temps. Looks like some of it is bare and dry

>>61945048
>shark card RAID
every fucking time

>>61945051
DELI-

RELID DIS

>>61945041
>posts a graph from an AMD shill

>>61945049
>no one actively recommends against it

Your entire premise is fucking wrong and idiotic beyond all fucking reason

NOBODY HAS FUCKING RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT AS NOBODY IS FUCKING PUTTING IT IN THEIR BUILDS

SHOW ME ONE FUCKING BUILD WHERE SOMEBODY UNIRONICALLY HAS VEGA, AN OVERPRICED CARD THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF STOCK ANYWHERE HAS IT LISTED.

>like they do i5

BECAUSE THE I5 IS FUCKING SHIT AND PEOPLE KEEP LISTING IT IN BUILDS, USUALLY ONE IN FUCKING 5 POSTS.

SOMETHING WITH A GREATER FREQUENCY OF OCCURRENCE USUALLY NEEDS AND GETS A GREATER FREQUENCY OF RESPONSE
STOP FUCKING MENTIONING INTEL IN COMPARISON TO VEGA

WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING HARD FOR YOUR STUPID ASS TO FUCKING COMPREHEND?

STOP FUCKING MENTION INTEL IN COMPARISON TO VEGA

k? thx.

>>61945051
Did you buy one of those adapter mounting plates or are you raw dogging that shit?

>>61945105
>STOP FUCKING MENTION INTEL IN COMPARISON TO VEGA
Why? Both are equally fucking shit compared to the alternative?

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>>61945051

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Why in the fuck are GPU prices still fucked after all this time?

>>61945091
truth hurts sometimes anon, you don't have to fight it.

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>>61945116
Rockits complete kit pretty much

>>61945127
no brakes on the crypto train

I remember at the launch there was some problem with ryzens and nvidia gpus. Was that fixed? I'm using r5 1600 and was wondering about buying 1060 because I can get one pretty cheap.

>>61945048
>buying computer parts from AliExpress

Since Vega sucks should I wait for Volta?

Any ausfags here? looking for a decent gpu at around 500 dollarydoos. any recommendations other than rx 580/gtx1060, or particular versions to avoid?

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>>61945133
If by the end of September nothing changes I'm afraid I might rape my wallet

>>61945173
If you think you'll be content with waiting for at least half a year.

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More thermal..?

>>61945173
Volta got delayed due to how incompetent AMD is.

>>61945174
Avoid the 1060 3GB
1060 GB = RX580

>>61945180
>>61945192
fml I guess I'll just buy a 1070 and upgrade later

>>61945192
More like no reason to rush it like Intel is doing with multiple platforms.

>there are faggots on this board right now spending $500+ on a single component to play games with more pixels
Patrician gaming build with a godsend AMD gpu. thank you based Raja
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VRDTyf

>>61945173
Volta is a year away, just FYI

>>61945160
fixed
the problem now is segfaulting in linux for ryzen
if open sores doesn't get it fixed, amd might take forever to fix it

What's the quietest 1070?

I wish I didn't fall for the 144hz, I would have saved so much money by being comfortable with the low requirements of 60.

>>61945202
was more looking between the 6gb 1060 and the 8bg 580

>>61945190
No, that's enough.

>>61945224
144hz is standard now, monitors with higher refresh rate are hitting the market.

>>61945230
Both are equal on average. 580 perform better in some game and 1060 in others. Just get the one in stock and cheaper.

>>61945224
gotta buy the best to become the best fragger out there

Any of you guys have experience with HP monitors? I was thinking of picking this one up on sale, but I couldn't find any info on them.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-omen-by-hp-25-24-5-led-fhd-monitor-black/5823065.p?skuId=5823065

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>mfw one click away from purchasing a new build on Newegg, but can't bring myself to make that final click

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>>61945256
click it, because it you don't, say goodbye to your GPU
fucking miners

>>61945275
> tfw going to sell my 480 8GB for 330USD

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Aight. Letting it set over night. Hoping for the best.

>>61945131
Nice, good luck

>>61945287
>Super glue

So you went straight to really high end by Intel's standards.

>>61945275
Do you think this shit will make it into history books down the line? I want my kids to come home with homework about it and be able to go oh yeah fuck those guys.

>>61945310
>My son, have I told you about the story where the cryptofags rented a 737 Boeing to ship their graphics cards?

>>61945308
Rockit was selling it so I just assumed it's what you can use. I get nervous going against the wind when it comes to this cpu, because I know I hit the silicon lottery. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was a 5.2 MHz chip

>>61945308
what's the melting point of superglue? as in how high does the temp have to be before shit gets fucked

>>61945217
Thanks laddo and that's fine I'm using win10 like a good obedient cuck

>>61945223
Strix is pretty good for 1080, so it should work for 1070 as well.

>>61945217
The problem was a manufacturing defect, AMD will replace all affected CPUs via RMA for free.

>>61945041
Yeah bruh, I only spend my disposable income on games and drugs anyway. Why wouldn't I get more performance over many years for a fraction of my paycheck?

>>61944837
AHAHHAHAAHAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAHAHAHAHHAAAHAAHH

Is the DELL1909W a good monitor?

>>61945342
>I'm using win10
Install Windows 7, then install windows 10. Better yet install linux.
Do you want to get fucked by win10 when it crashes? You'll at least have backup OS to boot from when, not if, but when, it happens.

>>61945329
You know one of the ways to remove superglue on your hand is to soak it in lukewarm water right? Yeah.

>>61945356
Check the reviews.

>>61945369
>Do you want to get fucked by win10 when it crashes?
What are the chances of that compared to 7? Also Works fine for me, are you sure your pc isn't a problem?

>>61945370
70 degrees Celsius isn't going to affect it.

>>61945406
It is going to weaken it and then the lateral force will shift it.

>>61945400
There's always a chance of shit breaking when you do feature updates for windows 10. Don't say you weren't warned.
As for crashes on windows 7, none. The only common crashes are from GPU.

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>having to superglue your CPU to get it to work right

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I'm awake! ryzen 1800x doesn't support quad channel memory!? what cpu should i then get that support it but in the same price range?

>>61945324
>5.2 MHz chip

>>61945431
TR

>>61945409
I'll check it every now and then and use something else if need be next time.

Kind of dumb for that company to sell you something that's not recommended

>>61945420
Oh but I haven't updated win 10 since I installed it, never been a fan of windows updates even on 7.

>>61945426
>AMD already glues the CPU for you

>>61945436
threadripper?

>>61945442
You'll be ok then. Make sure to install LTSB 2016.

>>61945435
faster than a calculator desu

>>61945431
Threadripper 1900X when it comes out in a few weeks

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>>61945473
can't wait

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178461
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822179115
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178951

TIME TO SHUCK EXTERNAL ENCLOSURES

>>61945517
>Seagate
fuck that

>>61945454
>LTSB Doesn’t Include the Store, Cortana, Edge, and Other Apps
Cheers mate just googled it and it looks amazing.

>>61945517
>external
>seagate

>>61945543
get it from mydigitallife, not microsoft
check hash after downloading to verify it is good

>>61945543
still wincuck

>>61945566
Can't play pubg on linux :)

>>61945581
>Playing PUBG

>>61945581
>meme game

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how erect does this make you?

>>61945611
>Leds

Permanent impotence.

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>>61945585
>>61945593

How fast should my ram be if I want to run an R5 1600? Do you need substantially faster ram for an R7 1700?

Internal cable management: how?

My shit is fucked. Even in a corsair 200R with cable routing stuff it's impossible to make it look nice and clean.

>>61945638
>How fast should my ram be if I want to run an R5 1600?
3200 mhz
>Do you need substantially faster ram for an R7 1700?
3200 mhz

>>61945638
aim for 3000 to 3200

>>61945642
50% buying a good/big enough case, aand 50% knowing wtf you're doing
Go watch some tech people build computers on YouTube, and take notes

>>61945648
>>61945650
Right, so I'm much better off getting 16gb of 3200 ram and adding another couple of sticks later if I'm looking to shave some money off the build

>>61945637
i dont know why you want a new pc anyway
pubg runs like shit no matter how good your computer is

>>61945638
Bare minimum 2667
I would recommend 3000 or 3200

>>61945637
I too like to meme on twitch

>I'm poor: the build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFwKr7

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qKJGCy
Went dual channel ram instead, Threadripper is too expensive for me

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mzmkM8

what do you guys think of this build

>>61945664
>this

>>61945664
I already have everything I just want to upgrade gpu because I can get 1060 crazy cheap and I can sell r9 380 to my friends basically making 1060 free.
>>61945678
I mostly meme on ts

>>61945683
you'd be better off buying an used pc

>>61945695
Right so KYs

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>>61945287
You didn't use liquid metal on the die? The fuck are you doing?

>poorfag
i know this feel so much

im stalking ebay for used gpus but i mind end up just buying the 1050

desu even if i wasnt a poorfag im a cheap ass regardless

>>61945685
>liquid cooler
Why

>>61945687
you might need a larger ssd for your os
why not a g-sync monitor?
why not an octa-core ryzen cpu?
you'll need more than 1tb for games but that's up to you

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>>61945709
Didn't want to wait a week.

My job has me gone a week at a time pretty much. Too impatient for 2-3 degrees Celsius

>>61945224
You start getting diminished returns at around 90 FPS in my opinion. I don't see a reason to ever leave my 120Hz monitor. It's just enough to be perfect. 144Hz+ is enthusiast tier to me. The hardware to drive those framerates is expensive and it's not noticeably better than 120Hz. 60Hz is pretty bad though. At least for competitive FPS.

>>61945709
is this guy austistic or just retarded, sup with the gay gloves?

>>61945739
Liquid metal dropped my load Temps by 20C

>>61945733
Why not? AIO is a good option if you wanna OC and live in a hot environment and want to avoid the hassle of a custom loop.

>>61945733
gonna mount it in the front of my custom case and the 3 fans come in great, also i like liquid cooling, it's less noises and temps are good

>>61945753
Arctic silver 5 isnt that much worse than liquid metal. Like I said, it's about 2-3 degrees diff

>>61945773
Dead wrong

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>>61945757
No amount of liquid cooling is going to help you if your room temperature is hellfire.

>>61945773
>Arctic silver 5
Should have gone with liquid metal and not that cheap shit. This is the fucking actual die we're talking about smearing Intel glue all over.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qKJGCy
About to pull the trigger family

what's a good monitor to buy?

>>61945788
>cheap shit
em.. no?

>>61945804
the one i am buying >>61945799

>>61945781
Well yeah if you're in the middle of Death Valley or Arizona you're fucked. But during the summer it can easily top 95+ here, cpu still sitting quietly at 27C with my AIO cooler. Swapped the fans for noctua tho.

Is form factor the only reason to go for M.2 instead of SSD?

>>61945773
It's more like 10-15C worse than liquid metal at load. You just wasted your time

>>61945819
>>61945804
I own the XB271HU. I think the only difference is the stand. Good choice in monitor.

>>61945834
Speed.

>>61945851
You got proof to back up these massive claims or are you just talking out of your ass.

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>>61945851

i'm using stock paste with my cooler. what sort of gains could i see

Realized I should have hopped into an r5 1600 after getting a 1500x CPU. I've got it overclocked to 3.8ghz and it's stable and I dont have issues. Are the extra cores/threads in the 1600 worth selling my 1500x and paying the difference? Besides stock GHz, what performance boost am I looking at here? It's paired with 3000mhz 16gb RAM and an RX 580 4gb GPU. Used for gaming/occasional streaming. Thanks my dudes

is custom water cooling a meme?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qKJGCy

currently talking with a store, trying to make them give me a decent deal

>>61945976
No but it is heroin.

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>>61945906
>GTX 1080
>60Hz

Nigga, what are you doing?

>>61945963
No point upgrading until Zen 2. You're already on Zen.

>>61946040
What do you mean zen?

>>61945809
Yeah.

Just snagged an I7 7700K FOR 280 euros from a cuck that fell for the zen meme. Feels good senpai

will a vega or a 1080 get me a girlfriend?

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>testing motherboard outside case
>turn it on by bridging pins with a fountain pen
I don't even have an image euphoric enough for this feel

>>61946157
1080 for sure

Repasting a 290x and 3570k, man there's a bunch of choices. Looked at reviews and tests and these are the 3 best non conductive I think.

nt-h1 @ $6
hydronaut @ $8
kryonaut @ $12

I want to go for a very cheap build with the possibility of upgrading in a couple years (1050 and a cheap cpu). At the moment I only want to play overwatch in 1080p60, even with all lowest graphics, so that should be fine.

Are the current platforms going to last for a while? If I go for a cheap Ryzen, will I be able to keep the motherboard and RAM and upgrade the CPU in one to two years?

>>61945230
RX580 is slightly stronger and has more VRAM
If both are at a similar price, go for the 580

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>tfw can't decide between going all out on an 8700K/1080Ti/XG2703-GS setup, or sticking to a more modest R5-1600/RX580/XG2401 build

I have the money for the former, but it seems like a waste. But then I realise I have no other interests to spend my money on, so the former seems like a good deal again.

Maybe dibs gets to decide what I go with.

>>61944720
Because 7700K is an overheating and overpriced piece of shit niche product that demands a more expensive overall package and requires delidding.
RX Vega 64 has bad value for gamers, requires much energy and doesn't catch up with the 1080 and therefore only retards or hybrid users buy it
RX Vega 56 competes wuth 1070 and if it's cheaper it will win the fight.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVQLNN

Any thoughts on this before I pull the trigger?

Got a few questions along with it:

1) Picked an EVO Samsung SSD because it seems popular, is brands like Kingston equally good?

2) The MOBO is Micro-ATX, does this matter? Anything I should take into considerations?

3) There is an "OC" version of the GPU, is it worth the extra few shekles, I have zero intention of OC'ing myself because im retarded and I want my shit to last for as long as possible

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it's done family, i've ordered all the parts, should be all good on monday

>>61946874
The good thing about AMD platforms is that the slot sticks around for a while as opposed to Intel generations. So in that sense it should be more upgrade-able. Either way I've never really seen someone actually upgrade processors and keep their mobo. Maybe ram, gpus, and storage, but I feel like most people keep the core of their machines like the mobo/psu/cpu till the components are clearly outdated.

1300 zen and a 1050 for what you're asking is more than enough and it'll be quite powerful for 1080p gaming in general.


Don't think too much about futureproofing yourself as much as what you need for now and the very near future. You'll probably need to upgrade the 1050 down the line imo.

>>61947144
you might want a bigger ssd

>>61947219
Yeah upgrading the GPU is on the cards too, once the prices settle hopefully. But there's no compatibility problem for that of course.
So you wouldn't advise on keeping the mobo if I change CPUs then? Would a mobo from today be outdated for the next generations of CPU even if the socket is the same?

why are pc parts so expensive? yeah its cheaper than 30 years ago but the process has been so defined i dont see how it's justifiable

>>61947144
Ah shit, I just realized the MOBO doesn't seem to support the ram I was thinking about getting

>Memory Type
DDR4-1866 / 2133 / 2400 / 2666 / 2933 / 3200

Should I get another Mobo or upgrade the Ram?

>>61947144
Samsung SSDs are really in a class of their own imo. Simply owning an SSD is a big difference, but if you're not really penny-pinching with your build you should go with the Samsung SSDs.

Doesn't look to be anything wrong with that board. The only worry I saw before with older MicroATX boards was that some didn't support higher memory frequency modules, but this does. Memory is compatible with it and the reviews are ok.

OC versions sometimes come with better cooling configurations, but that's about it. The clock differences also aren't anything crazy because the manufacturer needs to cover his ass from having a bunch of hot unreliable cards as there's also chip differences between each card.

2GB or 4GB RX 560?

Ordered a Sapphire RX 580 NITRO+.
I don't care that Vega is here anymore, I just want to finally play games that were released this decade

>>61947414
Can you check this post
>>61947414

Can you recommend me a Mobo instead? Should I just bite the bullet and go with 3200 ram instead the 3000 I have now because of Ryzen?

What about the PSU, I know that Corsair is all the rage, is Seasonic alright?

Greatly appreciate it

>All CPU recommendations in OP are for Ryzen

It's really that good?

>>61947414
>>61947452
fuck this post
>>61947381

>>61946981
I had the same idea, decided to stick to 1080p and save my money until 4k becomes the norm.

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>>61947017
>overheating
wrong
>overpriced
wrong
>requires delidding
wrong

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>>61947556

>>61947455
its good, however i dont see many if any consumers buying it in my area. i sold 2 ryzens to countless intels today. surprisingly the 7700k is selling a lot

Are there any fan-header-powered vibrators? What I had in mind was, the hotter the PC got, the slower it vibrates, so that way if I wanted constant harsh vibrations, I'd pretty much have to chill out with using the computer

>>61947589
What do you do for a living?

>>61947654
yeah just check your dresser drawer

>mfw I just build a watercooled PC for my friend
>i7-7700K, not overclocked
>nzxt kraken x62, 280mm by 140mm
>mfw radiator is barely warm
>mfw CPU is at 65-70C under load
>mfw when no face
Is this the power of intel horse cum TIM, or is something wrong?

>>61947720
Yeah, but what kind of fuckery do I gotta know to connect a PWM fanheader connection to it? It's got a nice capability for strong vibrations, but not sure how to connect them.

>>61947654
I don't think so, but it wouldn't be that difficult to mod one to run from fan connector.
Just cut the lead from your fan and connect the black and red wires (pin 1 and 2) to vibrator motor. Make sure to connect it to a header with voltage control and not PWM. Set the fan (or vibrator) curve in speedfan and you're good to go.

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>>61947461
Yeah go with the 3200 sticks. I just assumed it would work from the list I looked up. There's a few 3000 sticks of ram on the list that the board supports running at 2933 but not your set.

Any of the corsairs on the list are compatible with your mobo.

I'd keep that mobo vs the ram. A lot of the cheap microATX boards on amazon at least have pretty mixed reviews and they're really barebones.

>>61947774
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TsfmP6/msi-b350m-gaming-pro-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b350m-gaming-pro

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sfcMnQ/asrock-ab350m-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m

But it don't actually say 3200 sticks are supported, do you still think it will work?

>>61947774
>>61947885
Oh it does say so on the MSI one, my bad

>>61947438
1050ti 4gb

>>61947455
/pcbg/ is sponsored by AMD

What would happen if you paired Vega 64 with FX-9590?

>>61947455
It keeps switching back and forth between Intel/AMD/NVidia

>Vega NOW.

Notice how they don't put what it's capable of next to it like they do the GTX cards, because if they did it would be bellow the 1070.

>>61947980
Well with all that power it'd suck...you'd have the most POWERFUL gaming PC of all time!

Help me /g/. I finally had my MB broken and now need to buy new one along with CPU, RAM and even HDD, but I have no much money to spare. So my local online shop has those to choose from:
AMD CPU
>A4-5300, OEM - $24
>Athlon X4 840, OEM - $40
>A6-7400K Black Edition, OEM - $43.5

MB
>ASRock FM2A68M-DG3+ - $46
>ASUS A68HM-K - $46

RAM
>DIMM DDR3, 2GB, Patriot PSD32G160081 - $21
>DIMM DDR3, 4GB, Patriot PSD32G160081 - $35.5
>DIMM DDR3, 4ГБ, AMD R534G1601U1S-UO - $38

Total minimum = $91
Total maximum = $127.5

Intel CPU
>Celeron G3930, OEM - $41.5
>Celeron G3900, BOX - $45
>Pentium G4400, BOX - $66,5

>MB
>MSI H110M PRO-D - $55
>GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2H - $58.5
>ASUS H110M-R - $59
>GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2HP - $68

RAM
>DIMM DDR4, 4ГБ, Patriot - $42.5
>DIMM DDR4, 4ГБ, AMD R744G2400U1S-UO - $43

Total minimum = $139
Total maximum = $177

No contest
>HDD 1TB, Seagate BarraCuda -$51

I.e. I can spare $50 max here or there, but I want to save as much money as I can if it can be helped. At the same time I want to run some 1-3+ y.o. games in 1280x1024 as well, at least at minimum and with stable 30 fps. I also can search in other shops for the other components for the same price range if they happen to be better.

What is by far the best 300GB SSD for the money? Thinking about getting that intel one desu but i'm not sure it's fast enough for gaymen etc

>>61947669
sales for a pc shop. a lot of the builds are odd and almost noone builds cheap (usually 2600+). even when i recommend the 1800x people prefer to get the 7700k and 7900. those that so build ryzen are usually university students or understand benchmarks a bit better i think.

>>61948244
Get used s775 mb and s775(771) xeon from aliexpress. It's going to cost something like $45 for mb+cpu+4gb ram and it's cheapest. Those celerons/athlons are complete trash anyway.

>2200 dollar PC that took me over 2 months of 6 days a week 9 hours a day to save up to.

>wait 2 weeks for everything to get here

>assemble the whole thing and go to turn it on.

>lights are on but nothing happens except the sound of a surge.

>Tear the whole thing apart again to lower it down to either the motherboard, power supply or processor being DOA.

Never in my life have I felt so defeated and empty.

>>61948463
The point is for mb or cpu to have integrated video since I don't have video card and it cost a lot. Or you implying that mb+cpu+4gb ram can be bough from chinks for $45 (+delivery) and the rest can be spend on video?

Which mobo brand is the most reliable, because i've heard that msi mobos are worse than asus.

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Is there a bro from Bulgaria here?
I want to build a new PC but I don't know what the cheapest part supplier is.

>>61948666
But athlon 840 has no gpu? If you want to have internal gpu, best choice for you is somehow buy something with upgrade path, so it either those h110 mb with g4560, or just get am4 motherboard with a12(bristol ridge). With h110 you will be limited by kaby lake, with a12 you can replace it next year with zen2 and it will be enough for you to play majority of modern games at mid settings with decent fps.

>>61948656
>The sound of a surge

What do you mean? Electricity? Were you plugged straight into your wall or a surge protector?

Overall, shit happens man. I've had parts come to me absolutely busted and it took 2 weeks of phone tag to get the RMA through.

Anyone know when the new AMD APU's are coming out? And when they do, they'll be on the same socket as Ryzen right?

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>GeForce 1060 is too slow
>GeForce 1080 is too expensive
>GeForce 1070 has an uneven digit\

>Ryzen 5 1500 is too slow
>Ryzen 7 is too expensive
>Ryzen 5 1600 has a number of cores that are not a power of 2

>>61948799
>But athlon 840 has no gpu?
ASRock has integrated AMD Radeon HD R7/R5 APU A-series as well.
>best choice for you is somehow buy something with upgrade path
I don't think I will spend any money on any upgrades. I use my 7 y.o. low end PC to this day as it was after all.

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I've had issues torrenting Windows isos before with malware.

As long as the MD5 and SHA-1 hash checksums match I should be good right?

>>61949092
Both MD5 and SHA1 are too weak to be relied upon for security
Especially large files like ISO images could be easily doctored with a hash collision

>>61945048
I know your a troll but your getting ripped off on the gpu

>>61949105
welp now i'm paranoid again, all digitalriver links for win7 isos are dead and i'm out of ideas.

>>61949146
Well in practice SHA-1 is still hard to collide
It would cost around $100,000 in GPU time to find a collision on average

Large government organizations like the NSA could easily produce a backdoored Windows ISO with the original SHA-1 hash though

>>61944641
Guys I currently have an R9 380X, it works fine but I am getting a 144hz monitor in a couple of weeks and I don't know if it's going to cut it for the high FPS I want at 1440p.

Should I keep it and wait for the next line of cards to come out by Nvidia, or just buy a Vega 56 right now? Or a 1070?

tl;dr is it worth it upgrading from a 380X?

>>61949070
>ASRock has integrated AMD Radeon HD R7/R5 APU A-series as well.
No, that would be the integrated GPU the APUs have. The athlon is not an APU.

>>61949202
1440p at 144hz is a tall order, anything lower than 1080 is gonna struggle, and even a 1080 won't be able to max all the settings, for that you need a ti and even then you'll have to skimp out on the more demanding extra eye-candy that in no way justifies the performance drop.

>>61949307
Yeah, I see that now.

>>61949444
I don't play to play the games at ultra.
Currently I play BF1 and QC at a mixture of medium and low settings to reach 100fps, but the framerate isn't stable and sometimes drops to the 70s.
I'd want constant 144, doesn't need to be at ultra.

Built a new PC with Ryzen 1600 and 16GB RAM, but I am still using my old GTX 660 due to crazy prices and it's not good at all.

Is GTX 1050TI a decent replacement for 660?

>>61949474
Yeah you're not going to hit close to 144hz at 1440p for modern games, even at low settings.

An upgrade is your best bet.

>>61949550
No

>>61949613
I figured as much. Should I bite the bullet and get a 1080? I got the money to spare.

>>61949631
I'm waiting on a 1080ti for the exact same reason as you, but I splurged for the TI, i'd say yeah.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zVVRWX

best build right here.

>>61945709
dafuq

>>61949550
Also still holding a GTX 660 here, just bought my parts last night
I was going to get a 1050Ti, but then Newegg finally got this one back in stock:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125901

>>61949615
What about GTX 1060 3GB? I can find that one at somewhat decent prices.

Would 3GB VRAM be a huge problem at 1080p?

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>>61947440
Same here anon, i just ordered a MSI 580 Gaming X+ for my build.

>>61949882
Skimping out on the vram is not worth it, anything under 4gigs is not gonna last very long.

>>61949940
Ok. Waiting™ for Volta then.

>>61949882
GPU RAM is ever more important, I'd rather have a 1050Ti with 4 GB than a 1060 with 3 GB

Which case comes with good fans?

>>61950006
Fans that move a lot of air?
Fans that operate really quietly?
Both?
How many fans?

>>61949882
they cut the cores too.
it should be 1055ti or some thing.

>>61950006
quietly and 2

>>61950118
I'd look at something from be quiet! then
I just bought a Silent Base 800 case from them, comes with 3 fans (2x 140 and 1x 120)
Seem to push air well enough, but they're dead quiet

>>61950118
>>61950141
They're also very nice looking cases, inside and out
But quite expensive, just a fair warning

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438014&ignorebbr=1

Good option for someone who needs more than minimum watts but doesn't really care about going 80+ Gold

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>>61945178
I'm in the same boat anon.

>>61945178
>>61950656
You won't see significant price drops by then, except maybe for an occasional sale
But if you want a 1060, you should jump in now:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125901

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>>61945178
>>61950656
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I just ordered 2 of pic related from Newegg. That and a 1 to 2 PWM splitter. These will be going inside an itx fractal node 302 case.

Did I dun good? Or should I have sprung for the twice as expensive Noctua 92mm? (Which have lower CFM by the way)

>>61948363
It's so annoying seeing people dropping 300+ for a processor and then go wide eyed about doing the same for gpu.

>Also recommending 1800x

1700 is the highest anyone should be getting unless they're ready to go full retard with Threadripper.

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>>61947735
>Jew people with premium boards built specifically for overclocking
>Arbitrarily restrict overclocking to K/X chips
>Tell people not to overclock because of temp issues

>>61950699
Not a huge fan of the brand due to their hideous logo but i suppose their fans works well enough, and with PWM most fans are fine anyway since they'll rarely run at full speed which is where most issues starts to crop up.

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What do you guys think of my first build? I'm not super knowledgeable on this stuff but hopefully I chose some good parts for my first pc. Any advice appreciated. And will it handle 4k? Also I feel the mother board is not so good bit I can't find a good one that is low priced and ryzen capabable.

>>61950699
>92mm
what the hell kind of case uses anything smaller than 120

>>61950805
if you'd like people to fiddle around with and improve your parts list, post the link to it instead of a screencap

>>61950805
Only a small ssd for storage?

>>61950843
SFF and prebuilts use them pretty often

>>61950699
if the Noctua has less CFM, it probably has static pressure instead
static pressure fans are good for pushing air through restrictive spaces, like the heat sink on your CPU cooler or a full cage of HDD's

>>61950805
it's solid. you should have a hdd for storage.

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>>61950795
Yea I'm not a fan of the logo either, but eh. They'll be inside a windowless case. I don't care
>>61950843
As that one anon said. Pre-builts and SFF cases. Or in my case, the Fractal Design Node 302. Smallest it case I could find that holds 6 full sized 3.5" HDDs. (I squeezed an SSD in there as well).

>>61950930
>Cage full of HDDs

Whelp that's exactly what I'm trying to push through. Hopefully these aren't garbage the ones I bought.

Now that I think back on it, the fan blade curvature did seem a bit more aggressive which usually points to higher pressure.

Eh live and learn.

>>61950955
You really should have gone for at least a mid tower with that many platter drives

>>61951014
Why? As long as the HDD thermals are in check when under heavy loads, a mid tower just takes up room. Meanwhile this PC sits on my shelf out of the way and quiet.

>>61950862
No I have a HDD already

>>61944937
The worst part about the OP actually was that Threadripper was in the recommendation before it was even out. No independent reviews, no benchmarks, no thermal test, nothing except leaks. And yet OP still recommended Threadripper. Of course it's out now, but that should tell you everything you need to know about the /pcbg/ OP.

>>61950697
>mining on nvidia
>mining on 1050ti
the madman

i'm moving a few states over next week so i have a 500 mile drive ahead of me, and i worry for my pc's safety. how do i transport it safely? taking the GPU out is a nobrainer. I just got my new heatsink from the mail so i'm still using the stock Wraith cooler, so i should probably switch them only after i get to my destination right?

i was thinking I should find a cardboard box big enough to fit my full tower and fill it with something to soften the blows and just drive real calm in general right. am i forgetting something else?

Why is the 1070 the same price as the 1080? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the 1070 being better in mining efficiency?

>>61951168
also forgot, what about monitors? I've only driven less than 10 miles to lan parties at friends house so i never thought about securing them but this is a much longer trip

>>61947145
Noo what have you done

what's the biggest meme dual cpu or dual gpu?

>>61951168
GPU off like you said and keep the stock cooler on until you've arrived at new place. Package hard drives (gpu too) well as they're much more prone to physical damage than SSDs. For monitor you can use the original packaging if you still have it

My new mobo only supports ddr4 and my old ram is ddr3,question is does any ddr4 work? Never used it before

>>61951263
Dual GPU was never a meme so i guess dual CPU.

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>>61945352
>more performance over many years
>quadcore

>>61951263
Nothing is a meme if you have a use case for it. Dual CPU is retarded for gaming only but helpful with VMs, encoding, rendering etc.

Dual GPU is still used a lot for professional setups using firepros or quadros. Even gamers can still make use of it if you're looking to power 3x 144hz 1440p panels. But the xfire/SLI drivers are practically non-existent these days.

>>61951188
1070 is an uneven number

>>61951263
For gaming they're both memes, for other tasks they're useful in certain situations

Guys can you tell me if is a Laptop problem in general or I am just grazed by bad luck?

>Have an old Laptop, 2006-7, fresh install Win10, back then it came with >Vista pre ServicePacks, but still, could run C&C3, and even the Crysis Sandbox in HD (1280x720),
>Now= Despite the clean install it randomly slows down to a crawl, even browsing the web on 1-2 tabs can be a pain in the ass
This laptop was like 1000€

Another Laptop, 2011-12(maybe)
>Father is trying to start a Golf business, says he is going to need a powerful laptop to render 3D golf courses (never did, the business went nowhere),
>he buys a Sony Bravia, probably 900-1000€ I don't want to know
>Right from the start the fans starts as soon as he does...anything
>Back to now, he can't even stream a video, today at a temp between 28-30 C° he had to put his laptop over 2 ice tablets, plus a triple fan attachment to avoid the PC from turning off because the temp goes over 80 C°

3
>Friend bought a Star Wars laptop in 2015-6
>probably between 900 and 1000€, pretty powerful because he wants to play games on it
>NOW: The damn thing seems to take a lifetime loading the OS and he is mad at it because is so damn slow in general.

TLDR: Do Laptops in particular tend to generally slow down after some years? Is it because of a cheap Hard disk? Does replacing it improve it?

>>61951343
Gaming on laptops is a waste of money, getting a Switch on the side is a much better investment.

>>61951343
Gaming laptops are not worth it unless you have tons of extra dosh lying and around and give 0 fucks about ROI.

>>61951858
Well my father did not buy one for that, and the one I had was not one of those branded "for gaming" as well, I am just asking what's the Laptop lifespan, because again I have not even tried to use it for games these years, just work, and that was hard as well.

Is it true that msi boards are less reliable than other brands?

>>61951343
With laptops you have lots of compromises that have been made because everything needs to fit into as small space as reasonably possible. Then you get to add high temperatures due to, well, everything being in as small space as reasonably possible. Add a few years of accumulating dust and not only do the temperatures get even higher, but the components(which weren't too great to begin with because see above) are also degrading that much faster.

>tfw CPU hitting 100% trying to browse the internet with firefox and 2 tabs open

can't wait till I can build a new computer and ditch this trash browser

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkkyCy

How is this for playing/streaming overwatch and cs go at lowest settings at 144+ frames?

Does it make sense to upgrade to an ssd if i currently just have one single 8gb ram stick or should i spend the money on another 8gb instead? Basically i want the system to feel faster and more responsive and shit

>>61952305
>>61952305
Basically what i want to know what would make the greater difference in my particular case since both the SSD and DDR4 stick would be about the same price range

>>61952305
Do you keep running out of RAM? If you're not running out of RAM, then adding more RAM will offer no benefits whatsoever.

>>61951924
Where did you hear they weren't reliable? I think they make pretty good boards and their rx cards have treated me well so far.

I'm a big fan of ASrock personally, but I've owned an ASUS and MSI board as well. I don't really think I've ever owned a "bad" motherboard aside from a DoA from ASUS.

Imo all manufacturers make bad lines and DoA boards aren't bad boards. I've made reviews complaining like a baby over a board they replaced with free prime over 2 days and worked like a charm.

>>61952412
Heard it on linustechtips forums (i know), anyway thnx for the insight

>>61951328
It's very much an even number.

So I'm looking into this sort of prebuilt CPU
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TZjCYr
(this is using the parts they bothered to list)
Am I being cheesed?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7q33TH
Is the m.2 meme worth it for better cable management?

So I'm thinking of building a new PC. I have some parts from my old build that I can swap out (mainly the SSDs, perhaps the audio card too?) not too hot on PC knowledge as far as power goes and a friend of mine picked my last build, I simply put it together.

I do have an HTC Vive, mainly play games like DCS, Arma, GTA, Warthunder, EFT. Not doing any video editing or anything.

>Mobo: ASRock X99 Extreme4
>GPU: AMD R9 290 (Vapor Edition)
>Audio: Asus Xonar Phoebus ROG
>CPU: Intel i7-5620K
>RAM: HyperX Predator 16GB DDR4 >HDD: (2x) 512GB Samsung 850 Pro SSD & 1 x 1TB WD
>Cooling: Corsair H100i

Anybody able to suggest a new rig? Should I swap out any parts or buy outright? Budget is ~2600. Thanks

Is there a way to determine or a breaking point when I should choose liquid cooling over fan cooling?

>>61953103
It depends on your use cases. Air coolers tend to be quieter because they can use fewer and larger fans on the high end than CLCs. They also have no liquid pumps so noise under load is lower.

CLCs are more effective at working in tight cases and can often open up cooling options that are not possible in smaller cases. In addition, they are easier to work with when it comes to clearance of RAM and PCIe slots.

Custom loop systems tend to outperform both CLC and air because the user can use components that are quieter and higher performance than CLC parts. They also can be used to cool GPUs and CPUs which cuts down no the noise level by centralizing cooling in one efficient system. What they are not efficient at is cost.

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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139023
So I have a Corsair GS600 from several years ago on my build now, would there be any issue using it in my new build since it works fine? Pic is my build.

>>61953083
It's just for the size and looks, it isn't any faster than SSD for normal use.

>>61953103

guy from >>61953206 here.

If you don't plan to overlock high-end high-wattage processors, then sticking with air tends to be the best bang for your buck and quietest option.

>>61952338
If you don't have an SSD, get one, holy shit get one. They are night and day and anybody saying otherwise is a liar

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>"5.25" bays are obsole-"

>>61952711
>Intel core i5
>not listing all the parts

I'd say yes

I know this isn't exactly building a pc, but I figure this is the best place to get some decent advice on laptop configurations. I didn't choose to be a laptop hobo, but I'm trying to make the best of it.

I want to get a laptop with a GTX 1060, mostly for gaming and general fuckery.

My budget is around €1200. So far I've narrowed it down to the following configurations. These all include a 1TB 7200rpm HDD:
I7-6700, 8GB 2133MHz ram, 17" screen, 128GB SSD, €1149
I7-6700,16GB 2133MHz ram, 15.6" screen, 256GB SSD, €1243
I7-7700, 8GB 2400MHz ram, 15.6" screen, 256GB SSD, €1386 (can downgrade ram to 2133MHz but only save €10)

Alternatively, I could get a laptop with a 1050ti, i5-7300, 8GB 2400MHz ram, 500GB SSD + 500GB HDD for €1122.

Now, I know we all hate laptops around here but I really don't have a choice in the matter. It's new laptop or keep struggling to play videogames in potato mode on this old laptop.

I guess the questions I can't answer for myself are if a 7700 is significantly better than a 6700, or a 7300, and if the difference between 2133MHz and 2400MHz ram is noticeable.

All of the monitors on these laptops are 1080p@60Hz.
How much would I need to drop graphics quality going from a 1060 to a 1050Ti in games like witcher 3 and star citizen?

As a side note, most of these come with win10, how likely am I to be able to run win7 or at least 8.1 on them without turning them into bricks?

>>61953411
Why buy that when you can get one that goes underneath your desk?
>>61953224
I'm getting m.2 mostly to save space.

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Just set the second monitor up. This is a weird feeling. This is really strange for me.

So, things left to get.

0. Job
1. ATX Case
2. 16gb DDR3 RAM
3. Video Card that can handle 1080p gaming
4. Desk

>>61953814
If I saw that in real life I'd be constantly standing by to stop it from falling apart.
Get your shit together lainon

>>61953835
I know. I definitely agree. I just can't find a good solid desk that fits the budget.

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I have an Asus Z170-A. How do I give myself decent WI-FI? I'm using some tiny USB dongle thing and it's giving me 3.5MB/s from my 200mb/s connection.

>>61954084

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>>61948656
When I was making my comp I forgot to use the rubber screws for the motherboard and I kept on shorting it out whenever I tried to turn it on, to the point where I could smell smoke and shit trying to figure out what it was. In the end I got lucky and the MoBo wasn't fucked up at all.

Anons, is there anything here that screams upgrade? I bought it in '15. The card is a 290 X.

>>61954180
your build isn't so dated that you'd notice as much of an improvement as a lot of people here but Ryzen's the hot thing right now, and it would be an upgrade. If you've got money burning a hole in your pocket, go ahead and make a Ryzen build. I think you'd be fine waiting another year or two though unless you absolutely need 1440p/144hz Ultra or something, which I don't think you do.

tl;dr no you're fine

>>61953630
>How much would I need to drop graphics quality going from a 1060 to a 1050Ti in games like witcher 3 and star citizen?
That depends if it's a 3 gig 1060 or a 6 gig one. If you're going to get a 1060, do yourself a favour and get a 6 gig one. A 1060 3 gig will run better than a 1050 Ti, but it's not cost efficient at all.

>how likely am I to be able to run win7 or at least 8.1 on them without turning them into bricks?
What? I've never heard of anyone being able to turn a computer into a brick by changing the OS.

Why must you have a laptop instead of a desktop?

>>61954218
Thanks anon, I guess I'll wait until 2K HDR

>>61954084

Maybe get an actual pci-e wifi card with a decent antenna? And what about your router?

>>61954229
I forgot to mention those 1060s are all 6GB versions. So, for 1080p@60hz, how big of a drop are we talking going from 1060 6GB to 1050ti 3GB?

>What? I've never heard of anyone being able to turn a computer into a brick by changing the OS.
I've read that the newer CPUs don't support windows7/8. Is that all just bullshit?

>Why must you have a laptop instead of a desktop?
I move around a lot. If all goes well I'll be moving around a lot more in the near future. Carrying a tower, monitor, keyboard, etc. around isn't practical.

I had a set up all ready to go with ryzen since May. I waited for vega, then all 580 and even 1060 prices skyrocketed.

What do I do?

>>61954386
>1060 6GB to 1050ti 3GB

meant 1050Ti 4GB.

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I want to upgrade to a r5 1600
came here to hopefully find compatible mobo and ram and really don't want to spend my shekels on shit that doesnt work.

will not replace gpu and display
do not give a shit about rgb, just find me a cheap mobo & ram bls
live in slovenia btw

>>61944840
>md5
collisions are a dime a dozen these days and can be forced
sha-1 ain't much better either

>>61954573
From the OP: https://pcpartpicker.com/

Start a new build, and set your CPU to R5 1600. As you continue adding parts like mobo it will automatically filter to things that work with it.

When you've completed a build post it here for critique.

>>61954386
A 1060 6 Gig card will be able to handle pretty much all games on max/near the max settings at 60 FPS on 1080P for the next couple years at least.

The 1050 Ti will be able to maintain 60 FPS on high settings, but you'll need to turn it down a bit in the next few years to have the same results (at 1080P).

If you're not gonna get another laptop for a while, and can spare the extra dosh, I'd get a 1060. The 1050 Ti is a good card for the price, but it's a budget card nonethelesss.

>$2000 max
>don't be an amd nigger

All i'm literally gonna do is play either GTA or Fallout, Produce music, run some VM's

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Sarkastik378/saved/PQGBmG

Anything i can do to better it?

>>61954709
1) Discard your brand loyalty
2) Don't pay for Windows

>>61954734
Intel is more reliable, why should i switch

>>61954734
also windows is just there for cohesive purposes

>>61954750
Because "reliable" is subjective, and you continuing to assume that is helping nobody.

Also I didn't say switch. Hell I didn't even mention AMD. I just said to discard your brand loyalty.

>>61954708
Alright, thanks.

Any tips about the CPU/RAM?

>>61954750
>it doesn't break often enough to annoy me and I don't understand the alternatives!
Sounds like a wincuck alright.

>>61954771
>>61954797
well its either between amd or intel and i'd rather be safe with intel

>>61945657
I have been watching a bunch, I think I have a good idea of what to do but I don't know if my case agrees. The SSDs are mounted perpendicular to the HDD rack for some reason, so my power sata cables are all out of whack. I can't seem to find any aftermarket power sata to 6pin for the PSU have too much extra cable. I heard great things about this case and it's served me well, just has some strange issues.

>>61954848
So it's gone from reliable to safe? What do you need safety from? How is Intel markedly more reliable than AMD?

>>61954627
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GRZDWX
r8

>>61954872
>asking how is intel more reliable
Are you living under a fucking rock