/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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first for Source Mage GNU/Linux

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Wizards assemble! >>61907876

>>61918257
>>61918441
>memedistro

>>61918613
>meme buzzword

>>61918624
>memereply

...threads off to a real good start.

>>61918231
Should I install artix or arch?

I think artix is better because of nonsystemd init but the problem is there's only 4 maintainers of this fork and no one seems to want to deal with those init systems (very small community).
The problem is I'd be facing problems with packages like [xf86-input-wacom] that require libsystemd and I'm not sure if my monitor would work flawlessly like it did on systemd.

What do?
Should I abandon linux and install freebsd?

>>61918667
install gentoo

>>61918667
install sourcemage

Serious question, what's the point of distros? Why wouldn't everyone just get a minimal install and a package manager they like and assemble their system from there?

Does any distro add anything that you couldn't do in another distro?

>>61918711
>Why wouldn't everyone just get a minimal install and a package manager they like and assemble their system from there?
why don't you

>>61918711
I'm sure you can build and configure apt in LFS, but why would you when you can simply download debian?

>>61918711
>Does any distro add anything that you couldn't do in another distro?
no

>>61918711
install gentoo

>>61918770
source mage*

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What do you guys think of Manjaro i3 community edition?
Reinstalling Linux after a Windows update fucked everything up and I had to reformat the drive
Used Arch previously and I liked it, but I'm looking for something more stable as its a secondary PC
i3 looks neat as fuck and I can simply install XFCE or some other DE if I feel like it

>>61918711
If you ever install LFS, you'll understand that distros are basically just different sets of "sane defaults". You could install any distro from scratch, but why would you? You'd just arrive at the same end with potentially more mistakes.

>>61918811
>What do you guys think of Manjaro i3 community edition?
absolutely pointless
just install Arch and install i3 when you complete the latter
>more stable
why do you need anything "more stable" than Arch on a desktop computer?
and btw menjaro is not "more stable", they just hold updates longer
and some of those updates might be important security updates

>>61918848
>sane defaults

Thanks that's what I wanted to know. Maybe some day I make my own for the memes

>>61918811
Arch is a lot stabler but much more painful to install.

I think Manjaro is also just as stable as Arch at this point but I still don't trust Manjaro since it broke on me once with no way to get it repaired.
If you want solid stability xubuntu is the sure way to go.
On the other hand, you can install Arch using linux-lts kernel.

>>61918887
>linux-lts kernel
for what purpose

stability is only relevant in regards to servers
otherwise it's a meme

>>61918896
Rolling kernel isn't a good idea for a stable environment. Shit happens like "accidentally leaving defaults causing ext4 to crash"

>>61918942
arch has a testing repo, and it's not all that bleeding edge anymore
do you know how fucking long they keep the kernel in there?
and not only that, but even the kernel that enters the testing repo is the latest **stable** kernel from kernel.org
I'm using linux 4.12.6 on an up to date system right now
as you can see, the latest **stable** kernel here https://www.kernel.org/ is at 4.12.7
arch is as stable as you need a desktop system to be
using something like linux-lts makes sense only on a server, if at all (because on a server you're probably not going to use arch anyway)

>>61919011
4.12.7 get out less than one day after 4.12.6

to the guy who wants to move data to a 60gb ssd: boot up a live system, start gparted, resize your hdd partition to a small size then copy them (literally ctrl-c ctrl-v) to the ssd.
gparted will invoke the e2image utility, copying only used data and doing a free defragmentation during the process (as little as it means).

Anyone have experience debugging kde/wm graphics bullshit? I'm experiencing all sorts of nonsense, and it's getting pretty difficult to focus at work. One issue that's been a real pain in the dick is where a window will "freeze up" and I can't continue until I give focus to another window then back to the other one again. Worth noting that I'm using Ubuntu server with plasma installed, and that I have at least one java process running at all times. Pls

>winetricks > sandbox => no Z
>wine game.exe (it has a cd)
>a debugger has been detected
>Unload the debugger and try again
what do

>>61918231
WOK ON HOM BOI

>>61919312
i'll look into that game you didn't specify for you

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>>61919226
>Anyone have experience debugging kde/wm graphics bullshit?
Told you to put your life in the commandline senpai.

You can't have graphics problems if you're not using graphics.

Man, Slackware is so comfy. It just feels like home.

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>>61918257
Wizards assemble!

>>61919367
how is work comfy

>>61919376
I'll never be able to take a distro where you "cast spells" seriously. Sorry.

>>61919602
building your own log cabin is comfy, why can't building your own system be comfy too?

Trying to install the mono module for apache2. Everytime I run yum install mod_mono I get a dependency missing error, telling me that mod_mono requires httpd. Anyway I can fix httpd so the package manager can see it?

>>61919648
Whats a serious distro?

Noob here, I have bootable USB with ubuntu 16.04.2, should I download 16.04.3 and use that or is it a waste of time?

>>61919707
Fresh is always better than upgrading.

how do I convert .m4a into a usable filetype (like mp3 or flac)

I'm on manjaro if it matters

>>61919602
It's simple, just werks yet offers enough power for managing it. It's not trying to oversmart me or make me babysit it, it feels just right.

>>61919717
Check the changelog. If theres an important change then go ahead and download it.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/16.04.3

>>61919756

man ffmpeg

>>61919786
But won't those changes be applied when I update the system after installation?

>>61919815
Yes, so its up to you if you want to have the changes already in place during installation, or you want to wait for it to update after installation.

>>61919756
>convert lossy to flac
>ishygddt
M4A is an audio-only MPEG-4 file. The official extension of MPEG-4 file is MP4 which contains both video and audio data, but when it only contains audio, then it uses the M4A file extension. M4A format is widely used by Apple for unprotected music downloaded from their iTunes Music Store (DRM protected music uses M4P extension). Audio within the m4a file extension is typically encoded with AAC lossy compression, though lossless ALAC may also be used. In general, compared with MP3, the quality of M4A is better and its file size is smaller than MP3 file.
>troll harder.

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Any books on learning Linux and computers in general? I'm confused on computer terms and other stuff.

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>>61919703
Bump for this, anyone know what could be causing this?

Pic related.

>>61919841
Just keep lurking this thread.

>>61919756
ffmeg -i meme.m4a meme.mp3

>>61919833
Ok, thanks!

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>>61919703
>>61919844
using red hat software is not recommended!

>>61919841
Look up tldp and read about navigating in cli, directory hierarchy, piping, etc.
Then install Arch.
I'm serious, do it. Even in VM if you're not willing to take risks. Learn by practice. You'll get frustrated a lot at first because shit just won't work but after some time you'll find yourself being more comfortable with maintaining the system. Arch wiki is a great resource of information.

>>61919906
>Arch
Isn't that a pain to install?

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What are some cool terminal commands?

Just installed Fedora
What are the equivalents of apt update, install (it seems yum update also upgrades) and dpkg -i?

>>61919906
Nevermind the tldp part, it's too much information.
Read http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php
>>61919944
That's the point.

>2700 packages
help me

aaargh

>>61919790
>>61919889
thanks anons. I was doing 'apropos audio' and couldn't find anything useful.

>>61919839
thanks for the mini lesson, I don't know much about audio formats. I'll do more research into them

parallel ffmpeg -i "{}" -q 2 "{.}.mp3" ::: *.m4a # batch convert .m4a to .mp3

>lifted from an old /g/ thread.

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>>61920089
meant to reply to what are some cool terminal commands.
>Are mods fucking with my quotelinks because of something I said, or am I really that much of a fuckup?

>>61919947
sudo apt-get install gentoo

On Arch.
>Computer connects to ethernet on startup
>If I unplug ethernet and then plug it in again, it reconnects automatically
>If ethernet isn't connected during startup, it won't connect automatically when I plug it in later
Why is this?

>>61920284
Bootup without ethernet, then plug it in and run ifconfig. Check if the connection was assigned an IP.

>>61919947

espeak 'we, are, the ro-bots'

>>61920284
>On Arch.
Me too.

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If your gnulinux is so good, then how come there is less than 1% of steam users that are actually using it?

>>61920409
Because Linux is mostly for development instead of casual use.

>>61920409
Who cares for Steam. 20% of pornhub users utilize GNU/linux machines

Also the 1% steam statistic probably is so low because many Gaymers dual boot. And yes I know this is no reason to port the games as devs don't have oto

>>61920409
I can't believe this faggot is still here.
What the hell, man. You're posting this shit for YEARS. Whatever went wrong in your life, please fix it.

>>61920447
you finally admit that gnulinux for desktop is a scam/fraud?

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>>61920450
lmao

>>61920449
>Dual Boot
Is this safe? I'm worried that it might use up too much storage or something related to performance.

>>61920449
>20% of pornhub users utilize GNU/linux machines
Linuxers are lonely virgin nerds, that's why they use linux in the first place

>>61920512
GNU/Linux*

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>>61920478
KEK

Trying to pass an entire hard drive through to a Win10 vm using virt-manager

<disk type='block' device='disk'>
  <driver name='qemu' type='raw'/>
  <source dev='/dev/md/storage'/>
  <target dev='vdb' bus='virtio'/>
</disk>

What would I change this to to pass /dev/sdc1
I've tried a couple of variants of:

<disk type='block' device='disk'>
  <driver name='qemu' type='raw'/>
  <source dev='/dev/sdc1'/>
  <target dev='vdb' bus='virtio'/>
</disk>

But it doesnt appear in the VM.

>>61920450
its a meme you dip
>Linux is cuckold communist trash. BSD is non-cucked and prop-white and not controlled by kikes
>mfw there are freetards in this very thread using google botnet captcha to post on a closed source proprietary software imageboard

>>61920573
>Linux is cuckold communist trash
What about RHEL?
>2017
>Not running enterprise grade operating systems on your desktop & servers

>>61920587
>what is quoting

>>61920491
Usually this is save, but it may be hard to see how much storage you will need in advance. But even then it is possible to resize partitions later (some anon might chime in here and maybe tell something about LVM or partition resizing as I don't know enough about it)

But maybe we can solve this managable problem beforehand. How much hard drive space do you have, and what kind of gamer are you? I basically just dual boot for League of Legends and have a small 300Gb partition for windows, the rest is for my main linux machine.

>>61920608
oh dear

>>61920608
I have around 256 gb free in my storage. In total, I have 919 gb.

>>61919947

vrms -s | xargs sudo apt-get purge

>>61920447
Wrong.

>>61920608
wine still doesn't support lol? kek, wine is great from a programmer perspective but, seriously, it's trash for the user.

pci passtrough + windows virtual machine gives >95% of native windows performances and some games even run better because of linux filestystems.

>"lol" gamers

>>61920512
espeak "I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux."

gentoo or funtoo?

>>61918231
Whoa I had no idea rms was the singer of Panera

Why does the Arch wiki use 139.96.30.100/24 as the static IP in the dhcpd configuration example?

# ip link set up dev eth0
# ip addr add 139.96.30.100/24 dev eth0 # arbitrary address

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Are AMD video drivers up to par yet or is nVidia still the way to go if you actually want to get what you paid for

I have an "invisible" file(s) occupying 25GB of my ext4 partition space but I can't find them.
I use filelight to view disk space and when I navigate to my HDD it shows a different amount of HDD space occupied.
What do I do?

>>61919346
thx :)

but the name is not really relevant - it's an old game and should work, also a retail cd
worked fine earlier with the 64+32bit-winearch but removed that for a 32bit ~/.wine/ only and this error

>>61920801
ncdu

>>61920792
amdgpu is supposed to be good but only for recent gpus
nvidia is a pita (imho)
an xfx 460 or something should be fine

>>61920284
i don't think mine does that but you could check dhcpcd eth0 or smth

>>61920967
>ncdu
Tried that, did not show the culprit.

I actually just found the solution anyway, system had a deleted qcow2 file mounted.

http://www.happybirthdaygnome.org/

>>61921050
>In which movies and TV shows has GNOME made a cameo appearance?
>Sorry by Justin Bieber (2015)
/ourguy/

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>meanwhile at Canonical

>>61920409
u forgot about NSA backdoors.

>>61918231
Post your full OS name.
mine: KDE/X/OpenRC/Gentoo/GNU/Linux

>>61920344
emerged

How do kernel versions differ? Like 4.12.7 and 4.4.82, for example. What'll happen if I install the newest kernel available in a distro that doesn't support officially?

>>61921607
read the changelogs

>>61921607
http://www.linfo.org/kernel_version_numbering.html

I think of installing Kubuntu and curious of how to remove all of the preinstalled "bloatware" apps which i will never use. What is correct way to remove everything i dont need? Im afraid there will be some leftovers. Never used Linux OS before.

>>61918711
Which repository would the package manager get the packages from?

>>61921705
>never used "Linux OS" before
>already knows which programs are "bloatware"

>>61921705
apt remove <program>

>>61921705
most people that dont want 'bloatware' install minimal distros (Gentoo/GNU/Linux here)

>>61921742
>apps which i will never use. What is correct way to remove everything i dont need
Maybe i poorly worded it. Im an ESL.
>>61921758
Is that enough really? On Win programs always leave a lot of garbage after uninstallation...

>>61921774
Im too stupid for that.

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>>61921247

>>61921780
# removes the package
apt remove <program>
# removes the package and its garbage
apt purge <program>
# remove the package and automatically installed dependencies and its garbage
apt autoremove --purge <program>

>>61921217
wew

>>61921794
>too stupid to open an installation guide and follow the instructions
GUI installers exist for people like you.

>>61921840
>>too stupid to open an installation guide and follow the instructions
I wish there were a /g/ approved guide like that.

>>61921812
Install all packages:

sudo apt-get install '.*'

>ftw it unironically works, use the -s flag for simulation mode

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>>61921840

>>61921840
>>too stupid to open an installation guide and follow the instructions
Such as??? I just need 5 programs of my choice instead of 40 programs distro devs included in.

>>61921982
>Install a minimal installation of Ubuntu with no GUI
>Install KDE
>Install whatever programs you need after

>>61922076
Thats literally it? It will look and behave like Kubuntu but without unnecessary programs?

Hows console emulation on Linux? I want to use PCSX2, retroarch, dolphin, etc. I have AMD GPU.

>>61922099
Thats literally it.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-a-minimal-ubuntu-on-old-laptop/

When you get to software selection, select manual
Make sure you don't install anything, and once you boot into the OS just do sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop which will give you the GUI you want with 0 additional programs.

>>61922132
>AMD
I'm so sorry.

How hard is it to convert from Ubuntu to Arch?

>>61922141
>I'm so sorry.
But i heard GPU-PRO is opensource and great!

for some reasons my wifi connection set up with netctl(wifi-menu) works flawlessly but it doesn't work at all with NetworkManager. It keeps asking for the password even though I'm perfectly sure it is the correct one. Is there any reason for this behavoir?

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Which is the better choice? Should i go with Kubuntu desktop from the list or install it manually after? I only need the DE itself and no media players, mail clients and other shit. Also. Standard system utilities will be installed no matter what, right? Thanks!

>>61922397
just use netctl?
nm is shit is is misconfigured on your end

>>61920569
Missing virtio drivers on the guest

>>61921217
Why is Ubuntu putting itself on the desktop?

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Is it screenfetch-thread?

>>61922416
Install minimal system with access to internet, then install everything else.
And yes, I am not a namefag.

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>>61922569
>RAM: 3873MiB/3891MiB

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>>61922651
caching mein nigga

>>61922610
Will i have amazon ads and other shit if i go that route?

>>61922419
It's a decent workaround but I would rather solve this issue so I can manage connections more easily. If it is useful information my distro is Arch with KDE and the laptop has an Intel wi-fi card.

>>61922792
read the arch wiki for wireless and nm.
netctl is way lightweight and loads quicker on startup then nm

>>61922820
So there is a way to run netctl automatically on startup? Right now I run wifi-menu in a terminal every time I want to connect to wifi and it is a bit of a nuisance.

>>61922887
You really need to read the wiki
create your profile for netctl then

netctl enable <profile>
netctl start <profile>

i have ubuntu
did i make a mistake
should i just install arch over it

>>61922959
If you are satisfried with it then stay with it. If you think Ubuntu is too simple try Arch.

>>61922569

>being so pathetic that you feel pride for using software other people wrote

Stop posting you retard. No one cares about how you arranged software that other people wrote. You pathetic, retarded, imbecile narcissist.

>>61923023

Why would Ubuntu be simple? Why would someone strive for complicated, which is the opposite of simple? Why is Arch complicated (that's what you implied with your post)?

>>61923045
I care, anon. You need to calm down.

>>61923045
>So assblasted that he takes the time to post a reply in this thread

>>61922569
Hey dmitry, why should I use dwm over i3 or any other WM?

Is there anything special that I should keep in mind when buying a USB drive for the purposes of sticking Linux on it, or will any cheap thing do the thing just fine?

>>61923221
Dont get a usb drive, get an internal

>>61923221
Any cheap 20 gb flash drive will do

>>61923221
Basically anything will work. Make sure it's not too cheap though, blocks will go back quickly and it's no bueno.

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>>61923070
>Why would Ubuntu be simple?
Ubuntu is simple because it is primarily offered with a host of common applications already set up for you to use, and a very easy to follow installation process. If you used a minimal install it would be less simple.
>Why would someone strive for complicated?
Because if you do not prefer the assortment of applications or the interfaces the standard installation of Ubuntu provides, you may opt to install an operating system that doesn't come with them. For example, you may not like the LibreOffice suite or Ubuntu's default Desktop Environment, Unity. If you would like an alternative to these, installing Arch, or something like Ubuntu minimal or Debian minimal, and pick your own applications. While it is admittedly a simple task, especially with a wiki at your side, it is more "complicated" then just taking Ubuntu as it is. You can also just uninstall what you don't want and install what you do want on your current system, but that will never scratch some people's autism at having a "clean" system, where there is one program for one task, everything on the system has a purpose, and no effort is wasted.
>Why is Arch complicated?
Arch is "complicated" or less simple because you have to install the operating system from the command line, which is, as I said before is admittedly simple task, and to pick the programs you want yourself, also a simple task. It is up to you if you would want to set up your operating system this way, or forgo it for an all-inclusive package such as a standard install of Ubuntu. Setting up your system the way you want it, with something like Arch or Ubuntu minimal, may help remove distractions and improve workflow.

Basically, it is not a very big deal on which distro you pick in the end. If you wanna be a ricer faggot and post cool anime screencaps go with Arch.

>>61923303

You can install the same software on Ubuntu that you install on Arch.

Who wants to start a /g/ project to create an awesome GuixSD setup, including the inclusion of some non-free software _options_ that a lot of users don't want to live without, such as wifi and proprietary video drivers?

Remember, even RMS himself says he doesn't mind if people want to install proprietary software, but only frowns upon it not being a choice.
All the proprietary configs can be kept as a separate optional download.

I think it's better to have a lot of people using a distro which is fundamentally committed to their freedom at its core, and optionally using non-free software on top of that, than it is to just let them move on to non-free distros and build up apathy (or even resentment) for free software.

In my opinion a winning combination for a thriving free software community, and spreading free software to more users, is to have a free-software core whose devs and maintainers are completely removed from non-free software and even ignore issues which arise from it. While at the same time having a sub-community of users maintaining an optional path for users to drink poison and get their non-free needs if they wish.

>>61923365
That too yeh

I find it kinda ironic how the FSF fights for the rights of people who oftentimes resents them.

>>61923380
Also for the record, it's possible in GuixSD to do such things as essentially "dual booting" a free-software + non-free software setup.

You can compile both when updating your system and select which profile to run your machine on at boot time

>>61923464
>In some ways, Linux was the project that really made the split clear between what the FSF is pushing which is very different from what open source and Linux has always been about which is more of a technical superiority instead of a — this religious belief in freedom.

>There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred.
>-- Linus Torvalds

why is gnome so much ram
why can't we have nice things
this is ridiculous

>>61922887
all you need is wpa_cli really

>>61923624
muh eyecandy. gnome was always resource heavy.

>>61923609
Did he really say that? Because I agree on the superiority part. That's why I tend to use free or open source software.

>>61923807
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3720371/Torvalds+Still+Keen+On+GPLv2.htm

>>61923609
>which is more of a technical superiority instead of a — this religious belief in freedom
Pretty nice strawman.
>free software is technically inferior to proprietary software
>>61923807
>Because I agree on the superiority part
Show me the source code of a free software program and the source code of a nonfree software program and lets compare the technical superiority - oh

>>61923609
>I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred.
What a fucking retard.

>>61924036
>Show me the source code of a free software program and the source code of a nonfree software program and lets compare the technical superiority - oh
I compare the products, not the source code. And free softwares are better (there are some exceptions).

How can I completely disable an internal Bluetooth adapter to just use a USB one?

what are some ideas for a single developer to help contribute their skillset to gnu?

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>>61923609
>There are 'extremists' in the free software world
GNU AKBAR!

what is a good customizeable terminal emulator?
what is /fglt/ using?

>>61923609
>>61924154
>>61924403
Keep in mind that for most of his career, contact with other developers and project managers consisted mainly of Usenet threads and mailing lists full of insufferable sperglords. He's talking about the losers that hopped on the free software train in the 90s/early 00s as part of stereotypical nerd culture and turned criticism of Microsoft and similar companies into some kind of holy war. It was a lot less far fetched back then.

>>61924160
Adobe Photoshop
Adobe Illustrator
Adobe After Effects
Adobe Premiere

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>>61924504
this
industry standards!
>professional
>efficient
>flexible
>webscale
>modular
every high-quality, enterprise-ready software NOT on linux

>>61924565
>industry standards!
oh look, a drivel made up by marketers like the term "power user"
stop, it just makes you look like a fool.

>>61924504
stop pollting my fresh and free air with your dirty and toxic fartware

>>61924426
urxvt, termite, st

>>61924426
rxvt-unicode is complicated, but has write-once-reuse-anywhere configuration and will work correctly with practically any program or shell.

There is also st if you're a total purist.

linux is shit baka desu senpai

So it seems

noauto,x-systemd.automount

no longer functions. I have it on a crypto drive and it is waiting for it to come up, but i manually unlock the drive so it sits there for 2 minutes on bootup and then again on login(i can login as a user or user but the prompt dosent come up for 2 minutes,and then it works).
I didnt see anything in systemd 234 that would change this behavior.
What should i do?

>>61924760
This

>>61924760
Well said.

On Manjaro, any media I play skips a lot and is randomly choppy. The best way to describe it is that the audio will randomly rewind almost half a second and play over itself. At first, I thought it was just a Firefox or YouTube issue, but when I do anything off of my local hard drive (watch videos, listen to music, etc.), it does the exact same thing.
I'm not sure what's going on. What should I check or do? I'm still Googling for help, but a lot of the results are restricted to VLC causing the problems.

>>61925160
Try with mpv.
If it still happens, make sure you have hardware acceleration enabled in firefox/youtube

Have lots of idle time while browsing 4chin and other stuff. Figured might as well learn something useful, like, bash scripting or a bit of coding, or just get more proficient at the command line in general.

Recommend useful sites to learn bash/programming that are aimed at total beginners like myself for Linux please.

>>61925217
> Shell pasta:

The based GNU Bourne Again SHell:
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

The community driven BASH wiki:
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/

The Grymoire - home for UNIX wizards:
http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/index.html

Greg's (also known as GreyCat's) wiki:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls

SED and AWK; your new best friends:
http://www.pement.org/sed/sed1line.txt
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt

Shell Style Guide:
https://google.github.io/styleguide/shell.xml

Interesting, useful and dangerous one-liners:
http://www.commandlinefu.com/

Great online (and offline) linting tool:
http://www.shellcheck.net/

Know what you are doing:
http://explainshell.com/

>>61924286
Even alone you can make a big difference. Just look at Richard Stallman, I bet he is single too

>>61925262
>kek

>>61925192
Hardware Acceleration is on in Firefox, but my problem is system wide. I still does it on Firefox and YouTube. VLC and MPV do the same thing. Various music players do it. Even games do it. I feel like it's a setting on my OS itself, but I don't know what. Is there a way I can check to see if my OS itself does anything with hardware acceleration?

>>61925321
Are you running a compositor(compiz,compton)?

>>61925217
https://github.com/jlevy/the-art-of-command-line

>>61925217
https://github.com/Idnan/bash-guide

>>61925240
Oh wow! Thanks for this man!

cowsay is the best

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how true is this?

>>61925422
100%

>>61925350
I'm running the default compositor that comes with Manjaro in the system itself. I can't find an exact name for it, but I don't have compiz or compton installed.

>>61925403
Indeed. Have an alias to shuffle all options.

alias shufcowsay='"$(shuf -en1 cowsay cowthink)" -f "$(shuf -en1 /usr/share/cowsay/cows/*)" -"$(shuf -en1 b d g p s t w y)"'

>>61925366
>>61925384
Added to the list.

>>61925422
replace gnu with android and it makes sense

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>>61925422
These days kernel code and GNU components makes up a roughly equal share of distros by source code line count, and only make up like 1/3 of the codebase total.

>>61925463
ty

>>61925422
GNU = Richard Stallman's attempt to make an operating system. It isn't complete.

Linux = Linus Torvalds' attempt to make an operating system. He made his own kernel but decided to use GNU's software to complete his operating system instead of reinventing the wheel. That's why some people will stress GNU+Linux because Linux doesn't exist without a ton of GNU software.

zsh or fish?

>>61925518
well isn't that the same for all systems? windows, android, osx? "other" is almost always the larger part

>>61925447
Try disabling the compositor and then try mpv and youtube again

>>61925518

Year of the Other Desktop!

>>61925553
>red or blue?

>>61925600
>man or woman?
srsly, what are the advantages/disadvantages of each shell?

>>61925557
Yes, but calling your computer a linux computer is like calling your car a diesel. Your just referring to the engine because it's easy despite it not making up the majority of your car

>>61924286

>>61925638
read their wiki pages and decide for your self, you are the one that is going to be using it, you should read up on it

>>61925585
I'll do that. I'll come back if it happens again. Thank you.

>>61925666
Aight, satan.

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>>61925518

>>61925662
Just did that actually.
Fish seems more versatile over Zsh, although Zsh seems more robust and has great features, such as, being able to run Bash scripts.

>>61925766
zsh can't run bash scripts.

>>61925811
oh that's a bummer then!
have a couple of .sh scripts that I need to run,
guess Fish it is.

>>61925847
You can run them using zsh as your shell, because you're calling #/bin/bash in your script but running the code within the shell, it wont work

>>61925863
Thanks. Bash it is, then.

>>61925847
>From the Arch Wiki
Not setting fish as default shell

In Arch, some shell scripts are written for Bash and are not fully compatible with fish. Not setting fish as system wide or user default allows the Bash scripts to run on startup, ensures the environment variables are set correctly, and generally reduces the issues associated with using a non-Bash compatible terminal like fish. You may see some script errors if your default shell is set as fish. Below are several options for using fish without setting it as your default shell.

>>61925847
All your scripts work, no matter what shell you are using. As long as bash is still installed, bash scripts will execute just fine, even if you use fish or zsh as your interactive shell.
The only thing you can't do: put stuff written in a different shell language into your interactive shell and run it there (bash oneliners in fish, fish one-liners in bash, etc). That said, all shells should support POSIX sh scripts. zsh can emulate ksh, which is somewhat like bash and you can try to run bash stuff in emulation mode, but there's no quarantee that it works.

>>61925923
>>From the Arch Wiki
thats pretty much trash
a script starting wit #!/bin/bash will run as bash script, the user's default shell doesn't change that

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>>61925422

>>61925990
They're saying running bashstartup scripts when you not bash login shell.

>>61925990
Yes, but running bash scripting within the fish shell, will not function.Having a script in your $PATH with #!/bin/bash in it, will still run as a bash script since it isnt being told to use fish

what is /fglt/ approved torrent software?

>>61925933
I see. So the only solution would be to rewrite the .sh script for Fish and run it natively.

>>61926082
rtorrent for the win

>>61926090
No! Oh dear.

Maybe you should try it to get a feel for it. Install any shell, zsh for example. Then run "zsh" to start a zsh shell. In that shell run you bash script ./myscript.sh and it will just run.

>>61926124
You're right. Best way to learn is to try it.
Will do good sir.

fish is strange
>echo foo && echo bar
becomes to
>echo foo ;and echo bar

>>61926124
Zsh is a powerful shell that operates as both an interactive shell and as a scripting language interpreter. While being compatible with Bash (not by default, only if issuing emulate sh), it offers advantages such as improved tab completion and globbing.

>>61923380

>Remember, even RMS himself says he doesn't mind if people want to install proprietary software, but only frowns upon it not being a choice.
>All the proprietary configs can be kept as a separate optional download.

Not if you read the "whats wrong with various linux distros" list

>>61926268
- its not compatible, emulat sh will emulate sh, not bash
- globbing is just different, dont think its much better than on bash

>>61923380
>Who wants to start a /g/ project to create an awesome GuixSD setup, including the inclusion of some non-free software _options_ that a lot of users don't want to live without, such as wifi and proprietary video drivers?
Why perverting GuixSD for this? Use NixOS then.

>Remember, even RMS himself says he doesn't mind if people want to install proprietary software, but only frowns upon it not being a choice.
[cititation needed]

>program depends on gtk3
>it installs gtk3 but gtk3 also depends on wayland
what in the fuck

>>61926365
stop installing programs

>>61918231
How do I LUKS encrypt an existing install?

>>61926651
You dont

Hello /fglt/

Ive been dealing with purging systemd from an embedded ARM linux device using a nonstandard bootloader (well, i guess u-boot is standard on many embedded devices. my first rodeo with it tho).

/sqt/ is being very little help
>>61923836
>>61926685

So I sucessfully replaced systemd with sysv as the init demon, but there are to remaining systemd processes that the system is still using,

systemd-udevd
systemd-logind

what are my options to get rid of these? what are replacements that I should research?

>>61926651
cant do it.

LUKS takes place when you format a drive(s) before an install

Is Thunderbird botnet? Which email client should I use?

>>61926768
bump for systemd-udevd and systemd-logind replacements

If you have /home on a separate partition, but you are running full disk encryption can you reinstall you distro but keep the /home partition and have it all work, even though it's all encrypted?

>>61927928
if you are running LUKS, then no

>>61927928
>>61927949
actually, dont hold me to this. you may be able to.

you would have to enter two passwords tho because there is going to be a different salt on the new install even with the same password being used

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Hello friends

Artix installer stuck at 15%.
Calamares installer is a bit buggy so what I did is:
>create ext4+LUKS using kde partition manager
>activate the LUKS partition and not mount it yet
>run calamares installer
Will that work?

At the moment, I'm stuck at 15%.
I already blacklisted slow servers in the mirrorlist-arch (original arch linux mirrorlist) but it seems that either the installer is broken or artix's openrc repos are slow
>sourceforge

A couple of questions:
How do I automount gvfsd-sftp on login?
How do I store vpn credentials on a headless machine? With gnome's network manager, it would store them with keyring, but idk how to do this on cli.

>>61928398
You are doing it wrong. It's should be the other way around.

>>61922179
he's an idiot
pcsx2 is not even gpu intensive

>>61924426
st

>>61929161
st isn't a terminal emulator.
st+tmux is a terminal emulator.

Which makes st a shit.

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Pretty good, lads. Might install to metal soon. Look at that package count.

>>61929320
>vm
pussy faggot gtfo
fuck your friendly bullshit

>>61929203
st is a terminal emulator
tmux is a termunal multiplexer
your and idiot

>>61929320
>vm
gayyyyyyyy
>Look at that package count.
gayyyyyyyy with small dick
>root
>neofetch
>up 12 minutes
>""""""""""pretty good""""""""""
nigga did you even try ANYTHING EXCEPT running neofetch?

>>61929347
Under what definition of multiplexer does scrolling fall under?
and under what definition of terminal emulator does scrolling not fall under?

As far as I can tell there are no older terminal emulators which lack scrolling, even tty has keyboard scrolling, hence making it a part of the definition.

The choice to not include scrollback isn't the one they say it is.
The real reason they chose to not have it is because they think it's better to ALWAYS run something like screen or tmux. They didn't logically conclude first that scrolling is multiplexing, rather they said
>this multiplexer uses scrolling, therefore scrolling is multiplexing, and because we think everyone should use a terminal multiplex for every single fucking thing we don't need scrolling

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How do I stop optimizing and customizing?
I do it 24/7.
I optimize configs, filesize, runtime, aesthetics.
I can't stop.
It's better every time, but it never feels 100% optimal!
What the hell!

I mean, it's great and all that GNU+Linux thing, I LOVE customizing, optimizing, but I'm realizing I'm optimizing and customizing all the time! What the hell!

>>61929426
ah, ur that guy who can't into scrolling and therefore hating, nice to meet u again brah

>>61929426
Just add the scroll patch?
Just write a scroll function yourself?
What the fuck do you think st is all about?

>>61929444
>can't into scrolling
I don't think you know what this means

>>61929453
Honestly st has other problems too, such as jumping to the wrong line and overwriting text.
Oh but wait, I guess that issue is solved by running tmux right, so why the hell would they ever fix it? st was literally designed to be run with screen or tmux.

If that's what you want then I'm sure it's a fine combination. But it's a shit standalone terminal. Even if I do patch scrolling back in I'd still have to hold shift to use mouse scroll which kind of defeats the purpose anyway

>>61925547
I'd say the term "Operating System" debateable, just like the GNU/Linux naming controverse.

>>61929487
st doesn't have problems, you're simple missing the point of st and suckless tools in general. Those programs aren't meant to be installed and used "as is". They're meant to be simple ootb; need something? Add it yourself.

>>61929527
Ok, so it doesn't have problems, but then it's also NOT a terminal emulator by itself. Which was my initial point.
Because the moment you try to use it as a terminal emulator by itself you will find problems.

Could some nice anon share his URxvt font setting with moonrunes support? My favorite font is terminus so it would be cool to have a fallback font which maches terminus.

>>61929513
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system
>An operating system (OS) is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources and provides common services for computer programs. All computer programs, excluding firmware, require an operating system to function.

Does this help, anon?

>>61929626
>matches
so you want bitmap font?

URxvt*font: xft:Terminus:pixelsize=14,xft:IPAMonaPGothic

of all the bitmap fonts I've tried ipamonaPgothic fits the snuggest with terminus. Everything else doesn't quite fit right.
If you want non-bitmap glyphs then NotoSansCJKjp is good too

>>61929677
Not really.
>Wikipedia seeks not truth but consensus, and like an interminable political meeting the end result will be dominated by the loudest and most persistent voices.

>>61929513
Being autistic, an OS is something that makes hardware accessable to software.

>>61929701
Okay. How about this?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/operating%20system
>software that controls the operation of a computer and directs the processing of programs (as by assigning storage space in memory and controlling input and output functions)

>>61929715
Well, that's the computer science view of an OS, but there's no talk about being able to actually boot, run or even have any programs.

>>61929701
>A Wikipedia article about an uncontroversial computer science topic is unreliable because the consensus about a scientific topic is inherently biased, so let me use my own, personal subjective opinion on what constitutes an operating system.

>>61929749
programs aren't part of an os

>>61929758
Nice meme.
>>61929741
>>61929755
Would you, please, decribe an OS in your own words?

>>61929767
software that controls the operation of a computer and directs the processing of programs (as by assigning storage space in memory and controlling input and output functions)

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>>61929320
>tfw I get carried away installing 5 different packages that do the same thing to try them out and then they gort lost in the ether and i cbf going through them all to clean it up

>>61929767
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/operating_system.html
>Computer operating systems perform basic tasks, such as recognizing input from the keyboard, sending output to the display screen, keeping track of files and directories on the storage drives, and controlling peripheral devices, such as printers.
https://techterms.com/definition/operating_system
>An operating system, or "OS," is software that communicates with the hardware and allows other programs to run
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/operating-system
>the collection of software that directs a computer's operations, controlling and scheduling the execution of other programs, and managing storage, input/output, and communication resources.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/operating+system
>Software designed to control the hardware of a specific data-processing system in order to allow users and application programs to make use of it.

>>61929804
nice trips

>>61929811
This. The operating systems units I did at college were all about paging and branching and such. Not colorizing directory listings.

So I accidently my mouse and that made me read about the synaptics (psmouse) driver and synclient shit and I discovered pretty cool things, so if anyone is bored and up for ricing his touchpad settings, here some hints:

# prints the current settings
synclient -l
# read about which settings you can customize
man 4 synaptics
# change a setting (enables srcolling with 2 fingers anywhere on the touchpad)
synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1 HorizTwoFingerScroll=1

pretty cool shite, some more things I didn't know before:
>To middle-click, tap once in the top right-hand corner.
>To right-click, tap once in the bottom right-hand corner.

thanks for reading my blog fellow gnus

>>61929852
Linux needs at least one other outside program to even branch though. Plus some other middleware for a lot of device drivers to work as intended. It's really Linux/systemd these days if you're going to be pedantic.

But Ima keep calling it GNU/Linux because Stallman haters are somehow more annoying than Stallman himself, and they don't deserve to be rewarded.

>>61929927
>But Ima keep calling it GNU/Linux because Stallman haters are somehow more annoying than Stallman himself, and they don't deserve to be rewarded.
This.

>>61929927
>Linux needs at least one other outside program to even branch though.
Really? It has a ton of threads.
>but it needs blah and blah running on top of it
For what? To be useful? If a thing doesn't have any users it doesn't make it not a thing.

>>61929927
>>61929935
>Stallman haters
>more annoying than Stallman himself
In my opinion you are welcome to call it whatever you want but that is a shitty justification. Mainly because you are classifying anyone who objects to the GNU/ prefix as "Stallman haters" who hold that position because he is "annoying". That is just sloppy thinking.

>>61925847

What does Bash have to so with ".sh scripts"?

>>61926768
>>61927671

>apparently dissatisfied with systemd
>doesn't even know what he dislikes so he can search for a replacement

Nothing to see here, but a pretentious poser.

>>61930037
you're late to the party, it's already over
we're all about
>is gnu the os or is linux the os
now, take a ticket and wait for win

>>61927671
>systemd-udevd
I think eudev was a thing. Not sure if the project is still alife though.
>systemd-logind
Err, login? What does it even do?

>>61930048
You know what really grinds my gears? Prententinous faggots who follow all the latest memes, including systemd hatred without knowing what its all about. Just against systemd because its cool, and when you ask for reasons you get nsa memes. Not saying that systemd is cool, its shite, but the reason why people hate systems is cancer.

>>61926365

>Wayland
>Installed Size : 695,00 KiB

Upgrade your hard drive to one which can allocate 1MB more.

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>>61929320

Bloat packages.

Let's just all agree to call it AutismOS
Starting now ok?

*** Welcome to /fat/ ***

>>61930093
What rustles my jimmies is people hating on pottering personally, just because they dislike software he developed.

>>61930125
Who cares? The guy turned out to be a massive cocklord in the end anyway, just like pretty much every redhat/gnome developer since the dawn of time

>>61929957
>Really? It has a ton of threads.
If the thread isn't addressable by the outside world, is it anything but an implementation detail? It's like a zen koan for incels.

>>61930052
What would you call the first and most important libre operating system? Choosing a component's name based on its importance in the system? Or by a term that refers to the philosophy that made the creation and perennity of this system possible, that makes all those developpers and different projects work together, that makes this OS so powerful, a term that refers to freedom?
It's just GNU with Linux added as one of its kernels.

>>61930117
That doesn't look like a real screenfetch.

>>61930134
>If the thread isn't addressable by the outside world
???
We were discussing branching. As in in the CPU execution pipeline. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>61930133
I mean, he's just some developer who basically works on free software for nothing, yet people act like he's a second hitler and collect bitcoins to murder him. Shit like that just isn't ok. Fags following the issue tracker and posting every flaw on every news site don't make it any better. It's not like only potterinware has flaws, non?
I don't even sue systemd myself, but hating on a person just because you dislike the software he provides freely is simply retarded.

>>61930155

What makes you say that?

>>61930162
The fuck does that have to do with operating systems? Are you posting from an Itanium?

>>61930148
>talks about hypothetical scenario
>tries to apply it real world
I haven't read the whole thread but I haven't seen anyone pop up and insist that anyone calls them "Linux distros" instead of "GNU/Linux distros". Just people complaining about shitty justifications for the GNU/ name. If you want to call it that go ahead. But don't try to convince other people to with such flimsy justifications that boil down to "my priorities take priority over your priorities".

>>61930191
>The fuck does that have to do with operating systems? Are you posting from an Itanium?
Why would you think that?

>>61930232
idk man, but that
>random gentoo hater pops up
made me loose my sides

Is arch anywhere good?
Or should I stick to Antergos for an easy Arch installation?

>>61930260
>Is arch anywhere good?
no
>should I stick to Antergos
no

>>61930260
The entire point of Arch is that it's easy for people who know their way around a shell. If you don't, you'll probably hate it.

>>61930275

The point of Arch is its package manager, software policy in regards to patching, distribution, licenses and release model. The same point as for any distribution.

Stop posting, you retarded meme and myth spreader.

->
-> >>61930299
->

>>61930293
This
I like Arch, but I don't like how much of a hassle installing it can be

>>61930293
>The point of Arch
Installing AUR packages maintained by literally who right at your fingertips.

>>61930337
speaking of the AUR, how is it not exploited by bad people?

>>61930184
He doesn't work for free anon.
He gets paid to develop systemd, he works for Redhat. This is his job.

and the reason he gets so much flak is probably because he's the front man saying "lolnope not gonna fix it, you do things OUR way now".

Of course you could still just chalk it up to that being what Redhat wants him to do. But then it also doesn't help to read articles about him saying shit like
>The Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s these days. I perfectly fit in that pattern, and the rubbish they pour over me is awful. I can only imagine that it is much worse for members of minorities, or people from different cultural backgrounds, in particular ones where losing face is a major issue
bringing up racial issues when literally nothing whatsoever calls for it? So he just assumes that if he was a black man we'd hate his software even more or what?

He really doesn't make it hard to hate him. He's a total faggot.

>>61930463

>lolnope not gonna fix it, you do things OUR way now
[citation needed]

Meanwhile, look at all these
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed

>>61930507
I'll be honest with you I have no examples (although I could have sworn I read about several)

But I am just telling you what people generally say about not only systemd developers but just redhat and gnome in general.
Typically not about regular bug fixes (although I think I heard about cases where they refused to fix dbus bugs or change something in their code which forced Linus to actually modify the kernel and that pissed off a lot of people)
They just generally seem to have a reputation among other developers of thinking everything should be done their way and it's not their job to accommodate anyone doing anything differently.

But I supposed I could be wrong, I just read articles and don't save them and I'm too tired to go digging for anything right now. Never experienced any of this first hand myself.

>>61930549

>all my knowledge stems from memes and confirmation bias: the post

>>61930586
Yeah ok.
It was actually an admission that I might be wrong. Asshole.

But I guess that's so uncommon on 4chan you somehow couldn't comprehend that? Remind me next time to just act like a child and call you faggot. That seems to be the best way to do things.

>>61930675

Why bother posting if you're not 100% sure of something? This is a technology related image based anonymous internet forum. It's either true or false. Only retards post things they're not sure of or have no knowledge of.

>>61930724
I can't tell if you're being serious

>>61930187
>uptime 39 minutes

>>61930316
10 commands is a hassle?

>>61931937

That's how long it takes to boot because of all the bloat. Had he decreased the number of packages to 1 it would have been way faster.

>>61930187
i can tell from the pixels
also, the font is listed as bitmap, but clearly isn't