Radeon RX VEGA 56 & VEGA 64 Unboxing

>>61867830
I really fucking hate this whole unboxing embargo

Cancerous as shit.

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>>61867830
Literally DOA.

>>61867886
CUTE!

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>>61867830
I feel like this is a metaphor for something.

>>61867874
no reviews for another week as well

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>>61867915
it's the hand instead of his eye

Adored got the liquid edition lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0KhRXp0bQU

Benchmark NDA drops when?
I want at least one faggot to run B3D suite with RX Vega.

>>61867830
old news
>>61867922
monday

>>61867951
All that shilling paid off for that AYYMD shill

>>61867987
But he shits on Vega.

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>>61867951

How good will it be?
And how power hungry?

>>61868211
No one really knows.
At least Rys started spilling the beans about Vega's features.

>>61868211
210w for the 1070 competitor.
295w for the 1080 competitor.
375w for the watercooled "1080 ti" competitor (It won't even come close)

>>61868068
Is this a Se7en reference?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1giVzxyoclE

>>61868211
1000w PSU required for highest end model... Vega DOA. The only thing I wanted was some competition in the GPU market.

>>61867886
1% yields

>>61868068
Paul's just mad because he's balding.

>>61868246
Would 550w be enough for the 56?

>>61869707
yes.

>>61869810
Cool, hoping to snatch one up before cryptofags get on it along with a 4K display.

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>>61868310
maaahhhybe

>>61867922
They drop on Monday

>>61869707

Easily, it isn't too far off the 1070 which sits at 160-180w

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>>61868068
quite the cheap shot against an individual who does far more deeper analysis than him.

Get e-celeb status and get normies floading your channel because you appeal to them and record in 4k and suddenly you start thinking you can take a shit on the people who made the industry what it is and through their critical analysis ensure manuf's stick to quality products...

Very interesting... Further complicated by this round of releases being the last remaining source of attention they'll get for a while. I wonder if the bandwagon of 4k shills will start engaging in clown like theatrics like Linus to keep people coming to their channels.

There's a place for steve in the upcoming timeline.
Pulling shit like this instead of showing him support is a good way to be shut out of it.

>>61869464
This is a number given to brainlets incapable of specing their psu based on power draw. If the vidya draw 400W and your CPU draws 100W and your periiphs draw 50, you're fine with a 750W PSU. If you add in more cards you just do basic arithmetic and arrive at what PSU you need.

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>>61867830
>Vega 64

>>61867830
Vega it's going to be 3 times more powerfull than GTX 1080ti

>>61869970
400w would just be average power draw.
You will see spikes upwards of 550+
That's why AMD recommend 1000w.

>>61869952
oh fuck off curlyhair, get a haircut first

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Nuff said.

>>61867874
What is the story behind the embargo?

>>61870126
t. bald cuck

>>61870075
Made me laugh, thanks for the early morning giggles

>>61867996
he's always been Fair
and that's what i want from reviews, to mentioned when there clear issues with software fucking up a benchmark then just releasing the Benchmark has the sum of all in performance.

>>61870084
550+ watts .. 850-550 = 300W
Hmm goy, how much does a ryzen draw?
How much do periphs?
Far less then 250W

Learn to spec a PSU brainlet.
Learn to decide if you'll upgrade in the future.
Stop following specs they chart because brainlets don't do any thinking for themselves.

>>61869569
No, that's "big die" Volta.

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>>61870084
Yeah, because NVidia cards never have power draw spikes. Oh, wait. Shit.

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>>61870126
Dat hatred for a full set of hair.
4k bullshit for the masses...
Look goy : standard benchmark suites and eye candy.
All form and no function.

What's that? In-depth analysis? Sorry goy, I have no clue how electronics actually work. Data pipeline? What's that? Don't think of such things goy, it will hurt my brain and yours.. here, here's some 8K eye candy... Oh and hit this doobie ... shhhh !

>>61869569
That's not GV100.

>>61870248
nobody say that...

>>61870136
Because they still have some unevolved faggots at HQ, they decide to give preference to the e-celebs who shill the hardest and produce 4k videos for the masses... Typically the reviewers who stick to visuals above critical analysis get first shot at unveiling the product.

Instead of having engineers and corporate individuals do product launches, they've resorted to a handful of jackwads on youtube. Therefore, you get 20 reviews that all run the same generic ass benchmarks that give you no deeper understanding of the product beyond vidya.

The dumber the analysis, the earlier they get emargo's lifted.
This is what happens when normies become the dominant consumers.

>>61870258
Longhair on lettid says : "We're working with AMD."

The dramas are over.

>>61870248
Calm down Rajeev, fucks sake. They not paying you enough these days?

>>61870216
Did a little math
Ryzen 1700 3.8ghz OC
Few 120mm fans
Ssd, HDD
Aio
USB device
275w
550 for vega
=825w
So you would need a 900 or 1000w PS to power it.
There in a thread ripper and you will need 1200+
>>61870248
>NVidia cards never have power draw spikes
I never said they didn't
All GPUs have spikes

>>61869952
You do know they are friends right? It was hardly a jab as well, cross promotion is never a bad thing anon.

Fuck, why are people always so cynical on here.

>>61870387
>why are people always so cynical on here
It's 4chan.

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>>61870405
autism has overtaken this once great Mongolian image website.Remember when 4chin was good?

Me neither.

>>61870427
>4chin was never good maymay

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>>61870320
He's getting them prepared for how to properly relate in the timeline ahead.
Doing God's work

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>>61870449
>pessimistic sperglord maymay
>>>/r9k/

>>61870354
Yes, for your particular scenario, that's your need. Others don't have the same need which is why the number they quoted is just a suggestion as they always are.

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>>61867886
STINKA

What are the 2 little shitty dies side to gpu?

>>61870387
I watch videos to be informed.
I find Gamer's Nexus does very detailed analysis that other generic shills don't.
While you may think its not a jab, the average brainlet who watches a brainlet e-celeb feels somehow strengthened against critical analysis. There's more than meets the eye.

As such and because I dont buy products because some shill makes a 4k video and runs gaming benchmark, I tend to see beyond the smoke and mirrors of what you call 'cross promotion'.

That being said, after this final product launched and I dig through the bullshit and get the information I need, I will have no need to wade into any of this. I wish, at the level of complexity hardware is approaching that AMD did more to detail/launch their own products via engineers and people who know wtf they're talking about instead of putting it in the hands of the biggest shill with the most youtube viewers. Alas, fools with money need to be marketed to.

>>61870537
That's the HBM memory.

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>>61870132

>>61870537
HBM stacks.

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>>61867951

>>61870563
I through the hbmeme stacks was on pcb

>>61870567
NVidia's reference still looks like stupid gamer shit. Sorry, every single person who's seen Vega in person says it looks great.

>>61867830
Vega64 looks much sexier than gtx reference cards, i think. Also, are they somewhat bribing reviewers with that kind of packaging?

>>61870581
Then you're too retarded even for favela monkey.

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>>61870549
I think you've had enough of the internet today, Jonathon.

Go get a nice cup of coco milk and lay in your bed for 20 mins, I'm sure you'll feel better after.

>>61870581
The whole point of having HBM seperate is to increase yields and decrease die size.
>>61870590
Not any more of a bribe than Threadripper's packaging.

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>>61870549
No goy you need to watch a serious review like cuck tips

>>61870583
That fucking shoebox card is ridiculous. Shit performance, overpowered, designed like ass.
Anyway, it was designed for miners, so

Dear favela nigger,
kill yourself.

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>>61870630
Im not the one using a 3d world designed product

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>>61870637

>>61870258
>What's that? In-depth analysis?
germans serve that function much better than greasy hair smirk clown

>>61870605
>Not any more of a bribe than Threadripper's packaging
Considering threadripper reviews were overhelmingly positive, it kinda add points, i guess.

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>>61870637
>3d world
Hey, that game was pretty fun. Wait, what were we talking about again?

>>61870549

t. autist

Also TL;DR

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I'm curious to see how much of a difference having a good OS and drivers makes for it. The older Fury hardware is about 11% faster on the latest Mesa than it is on AMD's official Windows driver.

Its just a shame that they haven't gotten everyhing in the mainline kernel yet.

>>61871016
No amount of driver work will leverage memory bandwith bottleneck.
Vega is DOA.

>>61871036
Two more days and we get to see if the bandwidth situation is any better.

>>61871092
I sincerely doubt it'll get any better.
Hell Rys is silent about whether or not prim shader path is enabled in FE drivers.

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>>61867830
What knife did he use?

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>>61871036
>Use Hbmeme because its said to increase bandwidth
Continues starved as same as poolaris and fury

Why AMD just dont admit they are only doing mining cards at this point

>>61871174
U M A D E L I C I A

>>61871174
Polaris doesn't use HBM...

>>61871174
AMD need to do something, when their MSRP < $200 4GB RX 570 is going for ~$350 and their MSRP < $300 8GB RX 580 is going for $500 something has to give now that they're launching cards with $400-$500 MSRPs.

Or the Vega cards like the Polaris cards are going to be massively overpriced for their gaming performance.

>>61871163
spyderco

>>61871218
No one is going to buy Vega for mining.

>>61870132
Include the polaris cards so you can say that amd is regressing.

>>61871218
>Or the Vega cards like the Polaris cards are going to be massively overpriced for their gaming performance.
Really hope you're talking about post-mining boom, because otherwise lol.

>>61871163
Spyderco Tenacious.

>>61871255
If the prices stay at around the MSRP and its a decent bump up from the Fury which generally falls between the 1070 and the 1080 in most benchmarks (Linux Mesa) then it should be pretty good value for the money and maybe the other prices will fall to where they should be.

If rather than forcing price drops of the Polaris cards and staying at MSRP the prices instead jump up based on what the Polaris cards are priced at now, then they'll be totally non competitive.

>>61871036
>No amount of driver work will leverage memory bandwith bottleneck.
>Vega is DOA.
Might be fixable with BIOS updates, but RTG is sort of in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with that. If they fix the memory bandwidth before launch it will make Vega way faster at mining ETH and miners will buy as many as they can. If they don't fix it by Monday, everyone will shitpost their asses off calling Vega DOA because Vega 56 only beats AIB OC'd 1070's and Vega 64 is going to only beat AIB OC'd 1080's.

The rumors of a massive increase to mining performance out of nowhere suggest that there may be a development BIOS that might mitigate the memory bandwidth bottleneck to some extent, but who knows how close to being ready it is?

>new uarch with much higher clocks and fuckton of improvements performs barely better than bottleneckfest that is Fiji
Where did everthing go wrong?
>>61871344
Who the fuck cares about miners.
Holy fuck launch day impressions is EVERYTHING for GPU.
Vega is DOA.

>>61871369
So your bet is that BIOS updates cannot significantly improve memory bandwidth then?

We will see. I've been following Vega for months now trying to figure WTF is going on with this card. It's two days from launch and we still have no fucking idea WTF is going on with the memory bandwidth. There is no earthly way they could have intended this, and it cannot be a hardware bug because they had plenty of time to respin. So why the fuck does Vega appear to only get ~300 GB/s in memory bandwidth?!

>>61871415
>So why the fuck does Vega appear to only get ~300 GB/s in memory bandwidth?!
Who knows.
It's DOA anyway. The "leaks" killed any positive impression Vega can deliver.

>>61871458
>Who knows.
The more important question is whether it can be fixed with BIOS updates, and if it can, how soon RTG can have that BIOS update ready? And is that upcoming BIOS update the thing that was causing reports of a massive increase in ETH hashrate (since ETH hashing rate is memory bandwidth bound).

>>61871458
DOA at launch due to the incompetence of the Windows driver team is fine with me if it keeps the prices low and the Mesa devs deliver like they've been doing.

>>61871477
Press already has the cards.
It's too little too late.
It's DOA.

>>61871369
>Who the fuck cares about miners.
Leather jacket jensen.
>Perhaps more worrying is the CEO’s assertion that there will likely be new currencies springing up, and more interest in cryptocurrency mining going forward, and that “this is a market that’s not likely to go away anytime soon”.

Vega is guaranteed out of stock on arrival, it doesn't matter what gaymur kids think, they won't find it even if they want

>>61871589
Vega is bad at mining, give the power consumption, anon.
It's DOA.

>>61871589
Mainstream gaming is only a few years away from there being no real need for anything beyond what an SOC can do. Long term the mining market is probably good for the GPU market. It sucks in the short term though where there still isn't a good upgrade from my aging first gen GCN card for a reasonable price.

>>61871600
Miners are fine with polaris power compumption, they will gobble Vega consumption just fine. Out of stock on day 1

>>61871652
Why would you get Vega if 1070 exists?

>>61871589
>>61871652
As per a reviewer buddy of mine Vega are not that amazing for mining. Maybe with some optimizations down the line... Once the reviews hit miners will start canceling preorders if they made any because of the hype.

>>61871715
Why, same reason they get 580 instead of 1060.

>>61871761
580 is better than 1060 in mining given the power consumption.
Vega is REALLY bad for mining compared to 1070.

If Vega Cards cant decode HEVC and VP9 or AV1 as well as Kaby Lake via HW I'll go green.

cryptocoin miners need to be brutally executed.

literally just playing videogames and trancoding porn is a more valuable use of GPUs than mining autism pesos

>>61871820
>butthurt gaymur
Nice.

>>61871827
I've had a 1080 for months and I don't have plans on buying anything new.

Just stating truefacts that cryptocoin miners and users are possibly the dumbest people on earth

>>61871543
How can it be DOA if it has not arrived yet? We have no idea how much performance is going to be unlocked by the drivers that fix stuff like DSBR and triangles being culled.

Try to get a grip Jensen

>>61871858
>denial
Anon there's fuckton of 3Dmark benches.
It's DOA.
Too late, too hot, underperforming.
Thermi of AMD.

>>61871715
open source drivers

>>61871897
>GNU/NEET
Lmao.

When's the aftermarket cards?

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>>61871915
>Talking about AMD hardware
>Not willing to consider platform where they actually have drivers

>>61871237
AMD PERMANENTLY BTFO HOW WILL PAJEET EVER RECOVER

>>61871715

The fury x has been equal to the 1070 since the 980ti release.

>>61871934
This is the real question. If you actually want to use the things, you need better cooling.

>>61872009
We're talking mining.

>>61867830
>Unboxing video
>"btw, this is the reviewer box, so the retail version will be different".

Why the fuck bother doing an unboxing then?

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>>61872009
980ti and 1070 are literally the same
And no it hasn't

>>61871858
AMDumbfucks like you are never going to admit that vega is a flop because you've been (JUST WAIT)ing for two years

Literally no amount of "s-shut of jensen" or leather jacket man posting is going to help you. That shit isn't even an insult, leather jacket man? Is that the best you retards could come up with?

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>>61872039

I disagree.

>>61872079
>95 fps
>101 fps
O shit you sure showed me in the literal who game of the year

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>>61872090

>i-i-i-it doesn't count

As a general rule the fury x, 1070 and 980ti are all within margin of error of each other.

>>61872079
The only games where the furyx even comes close to the 1070 is AMD sponsored DX12 titles
Which I can count with one hand

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>>61872118
Sniper ghost warrior literally doesn't count though
Look at your results, frame rates are all over the damn place. Picking shit optimized games doesn't help your case kid
The Fury x was and still is garbage

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>>61872123
The Mesa drivers on Linux are currently doing very well vs Nvidia in a number of games.
Likely to be true in the future as Vulkan takes over and RadV matures.

>>61872144
>literally cherrypicks every goyworks title possible
t. jacketman

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>>61872123
>>61872144

Jenson, pls.

>>61872162
Normal quality fucking 1080p game from years ago?
That's a CPU bound workload

Thought you AMDrones were all about those 4K benchmarks?

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We need one of these review fucks needs to leak some benchmarks already. I have 2k burning a hole in my pocket and I want to build my rig. I need to know if I'm going intel/nvidia or ryzen/vega.

>>61872173
1070 still wins

>>61872173
>source engine
Fucking lol

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>>61872162

It is a shame AMD has basically left anything older than Polaris to rot on linux.

>>61872196

Sure, but by neglibile amounts, hence why all 3 cards are effectively the same outside of a few extreme outliers such as Doom.

>>61872216
>I-It's negligible
No, it still wins

>>61872216
Are you still a little stung that you bought a 4gb piece of shit in the year of our lord?

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>>61872228
>>61872249

>still doesn't count!

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>>61872288
Oh god you're even using mafia 3 now haha oh shit

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>>61872216
>It is a shame AMD has basically left anything older than Polaris to rot on linux.
Not sure what you're talking about, everything is supported by the new kernel module now and the only reason the older hardware hasn't switched over is the kernel maintainers think hdmi and display port audio is more important than Vulkan support out of the box right now.
Once the DC code gets merged then all GCN hardware should be on the same code base.

Its also funny in this image to see AMD touting the open drivers and completely omitting a comparison to their own in-house driver because the open drivers are about 150% faster in basically all of the tests.

>>61872288
1070, 980ti, and fury are within 1fps of each other
At 1080p
Not even maxed
Still under 50fps

And you think this is a valid game to show

>>61872192
From 2k you can build a ryzen with 1080ti, went the fuck are you waiting?

I'm going to buy an amd card because they actually work on linux unlike nvidia cards.

Only thing I need to know is if it's better to buy vega at launch or to wait a month or two for the prices to drop (assuming it's shit at mining).

>>61872749
Nvidia works great with Linux are you high?

>>61871842
Stay mad, nocoiner.

>>61872749
no you're going to buy an amd card because you'll buy an amd card no matter what

>>61872749
> actually work on linux
If you are planning to be an early adopter you are in a world of trouble, Vega isn't even properly supported at kernel level yet and proprietary GPU-PRO drivers are only supported by Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, not even 17.04

>>61872828
He won't because Vega is good for mining.

>>61872850
It's going to work out of the box because the instruction set hasn't really changed and vega FE already works out of the box.

>>61872804
With shitty closed source drivers that crash all the time.

>>61872850
>Vega isn't even properly supported at kernel level yet
There's complete patches available, they just haven't gone upstream yet.

Having to run a custom kernel with pre-release modules and Mesa nightly will be a bit rough but it should settle down relatively quickly. Its all in way better shape than it was when I got my 7970.

>>61872944
They don't have crashing issues at all though
AMDrones memes that into existence

Nvidia and AMD perform the same in Linux, there aren't driver issues for either

>>61872944
Vega FE is only working with the proprietary drivers and Ubuntu 16.04.02 and not even the new kernel stack 16.04.03.

>>61872974
Hence I said early adopter. I wouldn't call messing with kernel and mesa patching "actually working".

>>61873041
I don't know that I'd describe 'having to install drivers' as 'a world of trouble', the same thing happens every time new hardware gets released because the Linux kernel update cycle and the Mesa update cycle rarely sync up with hardware vendors.

They'll just work out of the box soon enough.

>>61873110
I had my share of dealing with r300 and r600 drivers so I am very much biased, open source drivers never worked properly until they were upstreamed and got bugfixes for the following releases. Also they never reached functional parity with proprietary drivers, fglrx being a joke didn't help neither

>>61873221
>I had my share of dealing with r300 and r600 drivers so I am very much biased,
Back then AMD basically viewed the open source drivers only slightly better than Nvidia views them. They were basically a way for you to get into a graphical interface to download their driver.
Today AMD has basically surrendered to the open source drivers which are faster, and more feature complete than any driver AMD has ever managed to provide.

Their new 'Pro' driver is basically only provided for pro workstation apps where AMD provides support for required legacy features and behaviors.

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>>61870132

>>61867915
vega is the portal of the undead

AMD, just copy what nvidia is doing.

t. AMDfag

>>61874447
Bigger dies filled with memes?

>>61874447
Why? Monolithic dies with outdated technology is the dumbest they could do.

>>61874447

>who needs tesselation goy?

>>61870583
That's probably because every person that got to see it is a paid reviewer that literally has to be as politically correct and apologetic as possible to keep the gibs flowing.

>>61867830
I unironically bought a 1080 after seeing the shitshow with how poorly the 64 liquid did on 3dmark and the price increase.
Feel bad for the cucks that waited for a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmdpbS8bLJk
>Vega Fe only 35Mh
So it looks like those 70-100Mh figures are complete bullshit and Vega isn't some miracle mining GPU
>inb4 muh driver updates
Driver updates won't increase performance by 100%

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>>61874730
>Driver updates won't increase performance by 100%
Are you sure? This is AMD we're talking about after all.

>>61874730
Jesus christ that fucker is loud.
Amd had a nuclear reactor on their hands.
300w tdp with a blower style cooler, wtf were they thinking.

>>61872185
The bench posted just shows that overhead can ne lowered in AMD official drivers and gcn is capped by poo developers

>>61867830
>Unboxing
>Not showing benchmarks
That's totally a good sign...

>>61875006
Two more days, fgt.

>>61875006
Are you daft?

>>61875006


s m h @ u

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Regardless of which is more likely, how would /g/ responmd if one (1) of the following turns out true?

1) AMD sandbagged like a motherfucker and Vega is a titan killer
2) Vega is a pascal contender and is effectively a year late

>>61875107
1. 10,000 days of shitposting
2. 10,000 days of shitposting

>>61875107
>be shocked since sandbagging is something AMD literally never do and the idea that they do is pure fanboy fantasy
>be utterly unsurprised but potentially give in and buy one depending on how it stacks against a 1070 assuming i can find one priced remotely closely to the msrp

>>61875107
1 could only happen if AMD is having major trouble making an efficient driver and it's not going to be ready in time for the launch.

I hope it's the case but it's not very probable.

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>>61876083
It's less about driver and more about fixing THAT.
What the fuck is THAT.
Memory bandwith regression compared to Fiji?

>>61876113
Ok shill, we've all seen your memory regression posts numerous times now. You can stop. We get it.

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>>61876167

>>61876183
this is you
http://vocaroo.com/i/s14ytWO3TgcL

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>>61871858
I'm gonna laugh when heavily overclocked 1080ti literally puts itself in a different performance bracket vs a Pooga GPU.

I love how much you've been shouting JUST WAIT FOR VEGA only to have your street shitter fuck everything up, as usual since he took over RTG.

>>61876213
kek

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Honest question, what is stopping me from placing thermal pads between the top of the heatsink and the aluminum shroud to improve cooling slightly as additional heat will dissipate through the shroud?

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>>61876240

>>61876310
Won't fit in my case and looks like shit. I actually need the blower cooler.

>>61871858
>the abosolute state of amdrone in denial

>>61870259
>>61870229
That'll be even worse.
Still no denying VEGA is shit yields if they have so many chips to give away again.

>>61876113
>Vega is the new Bullslowzer
Thanks Poo

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>>61876326

Arctic accelero / Kraken hybrid are all viable options.

Memes aside if you want to push gpus to tehior extreme without mem-cooling the sort of options raijintek, arctic and whatnot offer are great options even if they gobble up slots space (then again, anyone trying to mega-cool multiple gpus is inherently going to water cool the lot).

>>61867830
aesthetic mining card

>>61876980
>I actually need the blower cooler.

>>61876980
Is that a powerless cooler? Are they any good?

Do they all come with a dead die in the box or just the ones sent to reviewers?

>>61879235
We don't know yet.
We'll know soon.

>>61879235
the ones sent to reviewer and maybe limited edition, but I highly doubt it

presentation is good for a DOA card, rumors of primitive shaders working
damn, I'm way too hopeful for this going to regret it

>>61877303
>Is that a powerless cooler?
it's not passive, you buy your own fans for it
it is VERY good

>>61867886
I want one.

>>61874786
Why don't they just port those drivers to Windows?

>>61879633
I'm pretty sure windows already in that ballparck of dirtrally performance
it's linux amd drivers that suck, windows drivers are top notch recent 2-3 years

>>61879235
I'm wondering about the glass cube too. We know the light up cube isn't included anywhere. The box mockups shown so far from other manufacturers aren't as large as these reviewer boxes, meaning they probably won't contain the cube and probably won't contain other goodies like the die either.

The aluminum limited edition model could, considering it costs $100 more, but I still doubt it again because of the mockups showing a smaller box.

Why is AMD so shit? All I wanted was 1080TI performance for 1080 price and power consumption? Why can't they get even such a simple thing as that right?

Guess I'll stick to Nvidia.

>>61879872
All I wanted was 1080 Ti performance

>>61879872
given how much i know AMD the 64 will get to 1080ti levels a year latter because of shitty drivers.

I seriously doubt your get anything but 15% less performance Vega 64 vs 1080ti

I think its a step too far IMO.

>>61869952
Remember that GN fired first. He got salty because AMD refused to send him RX Vega cards after the stunt he pulled by violating the NDA agreement with AMD Threadripper.

>>61880042
>just wait
>you MIGHT get 1080ti performance at housefire levels
hilarious and sad

>>61879872
>graphical processor design
>such a simple thing

>>61879872
Because AMD can't afford to do two separate lines of GPUs like Nvidia does so they built for Pro markets and hoped the performance would scale well enough for gayming. Worked with Ryzen just not so much with Vega.

>>61869952
All the Techtubers follow a linear path

>be a one man operation doing comprehensive benchmarks and non-advertisement/press manual reviews
>gain e-celeb points and subs, enhance video material and output and at this point, they'll get free shit from companies to review, biases towards companies start to appear
>have a loyal following, start branching out on other tech stuff like weekly talk shows, unboxings and shieet
>start doing non-tech related vlogs and wasting dollars on film equipment just for Youtube
>popular YT name, comprehensive benchmarks are replaced with press manual bullet points
>literally a talking advertisement

>>61870567
Never used an AMD card in my life. But the Vega looks charming as fuck aesthetically. Nvidia cards never look good, even their fucking logo sucks ass.

>>61874530
Nah from every aesthetic angle Vega looks way better than the lumpy angles that are littered all across Nvidia GPU's

>>61867830
who's idea was it to make an ugly brushed steel version? fucking hell fire the guy who made that

>>61881919

>its OK when Nvidia does it.

>>61882040
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>61881919
you have no taste.

>>61880286
Is there anything wrong with having sponsors, especially if they don't interfere with the stuff being reviewed. They do have to make money somehow.

>>61870567
That's a quality shilling! Well done.

>>61882100
https://youtu.be/jqEnwwHC5n4?t=9m25s

from 9:25, this is what is wrong
the fuckers are so scared they won't get free samples only small channels do unfavorable testing(like running benchamrks on nvidia for more than 2 minutes when it's magical boost start throttling to oblivion)

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>>61879768
>I'm pretty sure windows already in that ballparck of dirtrally performance
>it's linux amd drivers that suck, windows drivers are top notch recent 2-3 years
Its very difficult to compare them because its only the AMD Direct3D driver on Windows that offers good performance, and Dirt Rally for Windows uses Direct3D while the Linux version uses OpenGL, and the Pro driver's OpenGL stack is the same as the one in Windows.
Feral Interactive, the company that ported Dirt Rally generally sees about a 20% degradation in performance going from Direct3D to OpenGL because of how different and non-standard the fast Direct3D code path is compared to OpenGL.
Mesa RadeonSI in some cases can close that gap by being better than AMD's own drivers.

>>61879633
Don't drivers for Windows need to be signed by Microosoft? Plus there's a significant amount of code that would need to be ported some of which is kernel level which obviously no normal open source dev would be able to access on Windows.
There has been talk of porting RadeonSI to work on top of a pure Vulkan base in which case you'd have a cross-platform OpenGL stack that would work anywhere Vulkan is available, though its utility would be somewhat limited as the one platform where you'd really want that, MacOS supports neither modern OpenGL or Vulkan.

>>61882233

>(like running benchamrks on nvidia for more than 2 minutes when it's magical boost start throttling to oblivion)

The guys at Hardocp are a bunch of retards but they dop get one element of their testing right(ish) - their benchmark runs are 5 minutes long.

I'M LOOKING AT YOU GAMERS NEXUS AND YOUR 30 SECOND ALLEY RUNS IN WATCH DOGS 2.

>>61882378

>Don't drivers for Windows need to be signed by Microosoft?

Nope - its why AMD puts out so many beta drivers because WHQL costs money and isn't even that thorough for testing. In reality all WHQL means that the driver won't crash windows if you look at it funny and MS will push it down their update service.

>>61872192
You know that you can use ryzen with Nvidia graphics and intel with amd graphics

>>61880060
All RTG needs to do in order to dumpster the 1080ti is make a four hbm2 stack version of Vega 10. Vega 10 is totally memory bandwidth bottlenecked in games, so doubling its memory bandwidth would reveal what Vega 10 is really capable of.

They originally had Vega 10 x2 scheduled for 2H 2017, but I don't think they are actually going to make an x2 card. It would be a total waste of resources since Vega 10 is already leaving lots of geometry performance on the table in gaming due to being bandwidth starved. You'd be far better off making a four hbm2 stack version than making an x2 version.

>>61880060
>>61882530
Note that if they can fix Vega 10's memory bandwidth issues via a BIOS update at some point then they can hold off on a four stack version until well into next year.

But we aren't going to know if the memory bandwidth issues even CAN be fixed until after the card is released and someone finds enough sense to ask RTG WTF is going on with that issue.

>>61882603
we don't know anything yet
until yesterday nobody was sure if culling/primitive shaders worked at all
24 more hours

>>61882632
Yesterday was the first time anyone from RTG mentioned primitive shaders (as opposed to just primitive culling) since fucking JANUARY. WTF is going on with this launch?!

>>61867830
So is the diddly 1070 better than this?

>>61872457
You didn't take monitor and accessories into account eh?

>>61882454
What's life without whimsy?

>>61870567
I too like my GPU to be radar invisible

>>61867830
>Porn in blue boards

>>61882080
kill yourself

Just think. Tomorrow we can finally put months of shitposting how VEGA is going to 'BTFO Nvidia' to rest. The numbers say it is no better than a GTX 1080 at higher the overall cost in terms of price, performance and power usage/thermals.

I am sure it will improve a little with driver and possible firmware updates but we all know it's going to be a failure compared to Pascal. AMD like Intel with Zen got caught with its pants don regarding how well Pascal performs and VEGA is so late they could do nothing about it but plow on. I guess it was too expensive to just dump VEGA and start over. They had better get their skates on with NAVI or Nvidia will fuck them over that too.

>>61883849
>Nvidia will fuck them over that too
Nvidia can't into CPUs.
Hell, jacketman's meme machines depend on EPYC above all else.
Also Vega kills Quadro in visualisation so that counts.

>>61880050
>Literally cannot trust his AMD benchmarks now. Not that I ever did anyhow.

>>61883849
>Tomorrow we can finally put months of shitposting how VEGA is going to 'BTFO Nvidia' to rest.
More like months and months of "VEGA IS DOA LAWL!" "1050ti LEVEL PERFORMANCE!!!!" "9999w TDP!!!!" "AYYYMD HOUSEFIRES!!!!"

>>61874402
That's called retard proofing

where the fuck is Vega48?

where the fuck is Vega72?

>>61885572
wait for navi

>>61885572
Why would they throw moar CUs when even 56 CUs are too much given the bandwith available?
>>61885550
Early 2018.

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>>61875107
Only #2 is true.

It's OVER a year late and consumes more power.

That's is the power of the poo.

>>61885868
It still kills the Quadro.

>>61872457
>>61882454
You either go full red or not at all

>>61868068
What a cute lesbian.
Does she have nudes?

>>61885868
>consumes more power
Why do people think this is a valid argument?
Unless you need to passively cool it or plan to keep it for 25 years it does not matter.

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First leaks.

>>61885996
It's also a bigger die.
It's a very bad, nv30-tier bad, uarch for gaymen.

>>61886023
>baidu leaks

>>61886023
As expected, no reason to look at anything else but the Vega 56, with a proper cooler it'll do nicely.

Assuming it's $400

why can't AMD gimp one of the versions for mining so gamers can get it and the miners buy the other one. I'm hoping for something like this naturally like the 56 does similar levels hash rate so they all buy that instead of 64

>>61886074
Separate headless mining version means no resell value.
No one would buy it.

>>61886023
I just want the aftermarket cards for be affordable and not ruines by miners :(

>>61886023
>15% downclocked memory
>12% loss of perf
Well RTG failed.
>>61886113
Just buy a 1070.

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>>61886023
Leaked 3DMark scores have the Vega 64 liquid considerably faster than that chart has the Vega 64 air. That should bode fairly well for AIB non-blower Vega 64 cards.

>>61886120
Why would i buy a 1070 when the vega is here?

>>61886120
Core clock is 10% lower too on 56

>>61886120
1070 are overpriced. might as well buy a 1080

>>61885661
chip salvage

>>61886144
It doesn't matter, the card never saturates more than 3k ALUs anyway.
>>61886146
1080 is okay. But maybe 1070 will drop to MSRP prices.
>>61886167
No, i mean why would you throw moar ALUs when you can't even saturate fucking 3.5k ALUs?

>>61886146
1080's are overpriced
Anything with an Nvidia badge is overpriced

>>61886039
This is an idiotic argument. It's quite obvious that RTG chose to make all the Vega 10 gpus the same for manufacturing efficiencies and use memory bandwidth to segment the cards. That's also why Vega 56 and Vega 64 are use the exact same card design, down to the two 8-pin connectors.

>>61886191
the Vegas are even more expensive so what does that mean.

>>61886191
Well you gotta have your 55% margins when you can.
>>61886200
It's a 486mm^2 die that barely competes with 314mm^2 one.
Anon it's nv30-tier disaster.

>>61886177
10% lower clock, 12% lower bandwidth, 15% less shaders and it's only 12% slower..

It's fine, at least better than Fiji.

Nano should be great.

>>61886207
Vega has nearly a 1060 worth of extra die space compared to a 1080. You literally get more for your money.

>>61886216
>It's a 486mm^2 die that barely competes with 314mm^2 one.
>Anon it's nv30-tier disaster.
Because they chose to make one die size and use memory bandwidth to segment performance brackets. Later when a four HBM2 stack version is released that finally has enough bandwidth to fully saturate the ALUs that same 484mm^2 die will deliver full GP102 performance, like it already does in 3D rendering applications like Creo, Solidworks and 3ds Max (where it trades blows with full GP102 because it's not memory bandwidth bottlenecked in those applications).

>>61886243
>It's fine, at least better than Fiji.
Beating Fiji is not an accomplishment.
Fiji was a bottleneckfest.
Vega was supposed to fix them.
NOW VEGA HAS EVEN MORE FUCKING BOTTLENECKS.
BRAVO RTG!

Vega has bottleneck? Okay, when does volta gaming gpus come ou?

>>61886295
Literally next month.

>>61886276
There will be more Vegas, anon.
Vega10 is supposed to compete against GP102.
Right now it's nv30-tier disaster.
Too big, too hot, too late, EXTREMELY underperforming.

>>61886302
Seriously? You got sauce?

>>61886309
The source is his ass.
The jacketman would never launch bigger dies as long as he can milk kiddies with smaller ones.

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>>61886306

>>61886309
Yeah, JHH said next month literally yesterday.

Of 2018

>>61886295
>, when does volta gaming gpus come ou?
Gaming Volta doest exist.

No Video will re refresh Pascal with GDDR6 and unlocked voltege cap.

>>61886366
It *technically* exists.
It's still bigger Pascal on "new" node.

>>61886023
SAY IT WITH ME

1060 PERFORMANCE

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>>61886306

>>61886423
>implying Vega10 is not nv30 from AMD

>>61886433
wasn't that fiji?
this one at least will sell

>>61886383
>It's still bigger Pascal on "new" node.
It's not bigger even going to be bigger.

>>61886491
No, Fiji simply had too much ALUs for it's own good.
Vega is literally a disaster. And no, it won't sell the moment 1070 return to MSRP pricing.
>>61886505
?
Are you high?

SAY IT WITH ME

1070 PERFORMANCE!!

>>61886023
RIP VEGA

>>61886525
>Vega is literally a disaster.
vega is literary "we don't know yet"

>>61886023
Fake leaks, it's at least 10% slower all around

>>61886567
We know the 3Dmark perf already.
It's a disaster given the power and die size.

>>61886578
>We know the 3Dmark perf already.
no we don't, all these leaks mean shit
480 "leaked" 3Dmark was to the skies turned out at 390 level
stop speculating bullshit 19 hours left

>>61886610
>all these leaks mean shit
These "leaks" are from people with actual cards on hands, anon.
Vega is DOA.

>>61886610
He's not speculating. He's knowingly and deliberately shitposting. Stop feeding him (You)s.

>>61886646
Source: Your ass

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>>61886525
>>61886578
>>61886646

>>61886646
Am I supposed to feel bad about 1080 performance for $400 with immature drivers? We all know it'll get another 10% in the next few months.

>>61882530
If Vega just had a bandwidth issue then old games that can be cached entirely in memory would probably run better on Vega than a 1080TI, but we have no evidence of that.

>>61886716
>Am I supposed to feel bad about 1080 performance for $400 with immature drivers?
Yes, as long as it's 486mm^2 of silicon performing on par with 314mm^2.

>>61886728
People don't buy a product for its die size, I won't argue that Vega is less than stellar on perf/mm^2 in gaming, but people don't care about that metric.

>>61886728
just stop

your embarrassing yourself

>>61880060
Why would you expect 1080ti performance at 500 dollars? The 64 is perfectly priced to compete with the normal 1080

>msi b350 tomahawk
>ryzen 7 1700 + stock cooler
>16GB 3000MHz memory
>1 HHD, 2 SSD

>650PSU

Good for a vega 64?

Depends, feel like overclocking? 1700's power draw will double while Vega will go from <300W to 400W

>>61886023
So it's faster than a 1080 on average, if the minimums are higher then I don't see any real problem with Vega besides that it should have been 20% faster, but that depends on future drivers.

>>61886768
>defending the perf/ALU abortion that is Vega

>>61886805
Everything's stock except for my memory, doubt I'll overclock vega as well.
Too lazy

>>61886846
Then you got no problem.

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>>61886727
There's no if. RX Vega very obviously has bandwidth issues. This is provably demonstrably true using the Beyond 3D Suite on Vega Fe.

It's also demonstrably, provably true that Vega FE trades blows with full GP102 in Creo 3.0, Solidworks 2015 and 3ds Max, so we already know for sure the geometry performance is there.

Unless you intend to argue there's any chance that 20-30% regressions vs. Fiji in raw memory bandwidth, effective texture bandwidth, and texel fill rates could have been intended? And they shouldn't be able to be hardware issues because there was plenty of time to respin.

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>>61886837
>perf/ALU
What part of memory bandwidth bottleneck do you not understand? Even if you doubled the ALU count it wouldn't get any faster with so little bandwidth.

Can you nerds stop talking about the 64? No one cares about the 64 when the 1080 ti is better and uses less power

>>61886884
It's still an abortion of GPU.
Unless they can fix it (which i doubt).

NDA removal, when?

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>>61886905
Why wouldn't they be able to fix it? If it was a hardware issue they had LOTS of time to respin.

>>61886862
There's a lot more to video cards than just bandwidth. If it's a bandwidth problem then it should be able to expose the problem by creating scenarios where bandwidth is not an issue so you can get 100% of the theoretical performance.

>>61886862
V-vega can't be better than my overpriced nvidia card! I must become obsessed with tiny irrelevant details and post about them nonstop!

>>61886913
7am tomorrow central time

>>61886926
They did.
Germans ran SPECapc.
It traded blows or straight up murdered full fat GP102.

>>61886898
>uses less power
Go find AMD's official TDP ratings for the RX Vega models. Oh wait, they've never actually said what the TDP of the various models would be officially.

>>61886923
Because the chinkgineers have no idea what they're doing and the guys who designed GCN were all cut years ago?

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>>61886926
Yes. Here's a great example of one.

>>61886950
officially
but they have.
https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/product/vega/radeon-rx-vega-64/

Typical Board Power
345W(liquid) / 295W

>>61886966
I'm talking about games... It's great that Vega is good for productivity but you're talking about a completely different workload. I'm talking about a game where bandwidth isn't an issue, which old games should be able to fulfill.

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>>61887006
3D rendering is literally exactly the scenario you describe where pure geometry performance matters and memory bandwidth does not, unless you think there is some magical inherent difference between 3D rendering in Creo and 3D rendering a game?

>>61887058
Then explain why older games or even smaller modern games that are small enough to load into 16GB aren't kicking ass on Vega?

>>61887095
You do understand that you do not load ALL the assets into GPU memory, only graphical ones?
Holy shit you're dumb.

Shit GPU threads attract LITERAL fucking retards.

>>61887133
You're not answering the question. I can see a problem with games that need to constantly pull files from the hard drives, but a game like CSGO can load all of the assets into Vega's VRAM and deliver it like a hundred time over in a second ot the GPU. How is bandwidth the the issue?

>>61887194
Holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
fucking
hell
you're so fucking retarded.
Please kill yourself.

>>61887221
???

You're the expert so just explain how it works. Explain how bandwidth is the problem when the assets you have to transfer are tiny, or for that matter when you don't need a lot of assets being transferred (standing still looking at the sky)

>>61887275
Please stop i am fucking dying right now.

>>61887292
Not him but Seems like you got btfo anon

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>>61887337

>>61887275
anon, learn about how pixels work
good starting point

56 will be forever out of stock due to crypto niggers. Screencap this.

>>61888320
You want a cookie for that prophecy, Nostradamus the 7th?

Drivers over the coming months will boost it a bit just like drivers boosted the 480 (then 580 was released that boosted it further at the cost of power usage). Nobody talks about that though. Only day 1 benches count according to Nvidia shills. I know AMD is the wait meme but still it's true. The RX 480 did not take too long to get boosted. Neither will VEGA.

The water cooled VEGA will be hitting 1080Ti levels in a few months time I can guarantee it. The only downside will be it will require more power than Pascal.

>>61888376
Problem is by then Volta is right around the corner and even if it's 10% faster than Pascal, that's still better than whatever Vega will be at by then.

>>61888448
Then AMD will launch a Vega refresh with faster memory.

>>61888448
>Problem is by then Volta is right around the corner

No it's not

>From the NVDA CC

Hans Mosesmann - Rosenblatt Securities, Inc.

Thanks. Hey, Jensen, can you give us an update in terms of how the new platforms and servers may have impacted the business in the data center with Purley launching here recently and the upcoming EPYC? As a follow-on, when can we expect Volta in the consumer gaming market? Thanks.

Jen-Hsun Huang - NVIDIA Corp.

...Volta for gaming, we haven't announced anything. And all I can say is that our pipeline is filled with some exciting new toys for the gamers, and we have some really exciting new technology to offer them in the pipeline. But for the holiday season for the foreseeable future, I think Pascal is just unbeatable. It's just the best thing out there. And everybody who's looking forward to playing Call of Duty or Destiny 2, if they don't already have one, should run out and get themselves a Pascal.

>>61888484
>But for the holiday season for the foreseeable future,

So 2nd half? Great, is this thing gonna fucking launch when Navi launches or something?

>>61888523
They'll delay consumer Volta (read bigger dies) as much as possible. Pascal == fat margins.
Considering how much money nVidia currently wastes on memes and R&D for memes - they need fat margins.

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>>61888484
>And everybody who's looking forward to playing Call of Duty or Destiny 2, if they don't already have one, should run out and get themselves a Pascal.

>>61888484
Why should I run out? I can just order it.
And certainly not for those shitgames.