Will six-core i5 make Ryzen 5 irrelevant?
>>61860693
>6 core 6 threads
vs
>6 core 12 threads
>>61860693
Those are all numbers from rumors.
>>61860693
Why even bother? Just get a quad core with SMT for cheaper. I5 is irrelevant thanks to Ryzen.
>>61860714
This, intel pretty much just admitted defeat.
Also most likely that 6 core i5 will be over $300 unless intel again admits defeat and lowers it to $200
Interesting times for all of us regardless.
>>61860739
>95W 105C vs 65W 70C
intel wins
>>61860693
No.
a) Those clocks are a massive regression so you literally will get negative performance in titles you play right now using i5/i7
b) won't matter if it's another rushed pos that can't be cooled down to 60 under load using a good air cooler.
>>61860693
is this on the confirmed slower 10nm?
>yfw intel is adding moar coars
>>61860766
no the 10nm will come later and probably will replace the 6100u and 7100u
>>61860766
It's 14nm++, so basically 14nm.
>>61860754
Higher isn't always better Anon...
>>61860693
>6 threads
What did Intel mean by this?
>>61860896
>he needs more than 4 threads for video games
Intel is destroying mine currency faggots
>>61860919
>he only plays old games with his top-of-the-line PC
>>61860787
boo hoo it uses more power
>muh electric bill
>muh housefire
get a job and buy a fire extinguisher you stupid nancy boy
>>61860693
Depends entirely on the price. If they keep the same pricing scheme as skylake and kaby as far as i3, i5, and i7 prices it would probably do great even though intel is forcing motherboard changes. If the relative prices increase, e.g. 8350k at 7600k prices, then it'll probably end up losing intel market share.
>>61860896
>What did Intel mean by this?
Thuban stronk.
>>61860693
>most future proof platform on the market vs final revision of a dead socket
>>61861161
Coffee Lake isn't supported on Z270, even though it uses LGA1151
>>61861072
Funny how Intel fags ragged on AMD when Bulldozer used a few more Watts than ivy bridge.
>>61861177
>coffee leek it's not even out
>in less than two years cannon lake comes on yet another platform
It's already dead without it knowing.
>>61861226
Bulldozer at least had good performance/watt for multithreaded integer workloads in comparison to Ivy Bridge. Kaby Lake vs Ryzen is a bit different when Ryzen's perf/watt is so completely dominant over desktop Kaby Lake.
>>61861257
Coffee Lake does look very attractive as a gaming platform. 6 cores at ~4.3GHz with single/dual core boost up to ~4.6 kicks the shit out of Ryzen for high FPS gaming.
That said, it will probably cost a lot more than Ryzen.
>>61861306
But if you go with Ryzen you can upgrade to Zen 3 in 2020 without swapping boards, which will absolutely crush Coffee.
>>61861306
I believe coffee will be good, but Intel can't stay on their 14++++++nm products for too long. In six months a zen1 revision comes, in a year and a half zen is out on 7nm. They have to move to 10nm, and I'll be surprised if they put it on the same platform.
Hold up, you guys told me the 7700k was bad because it only had 8 threads.
Wouldn't a 12 thread 7700k be the solution to the i7 4 core limitations???
>>61861326
>upgrade to Zen 3 in 2020
Most people don't think that way, they will buy a new CPU/Mobo/RAM all at the same time, so they get all of the latest features of a new platform.
I personally upgraded individual components over a number of years going from Phenom II to Bulldozer, doing individual RAM -> CPU -> Mobo upgrades, but not many people do that.
>>61861362
>10nm
Intel's 10nm node is horse goo.
No, really.
>>61861387
Check r5 1600 tests to see that. We know that 16 threads is plenty, maybe 12 is the sweet spot.
>>61861412
>horse goo
>glue
>mcm
Oh you..
>>61861388
Most people forgot drop-in upgrades were a thing in the past.
>>61861387
It's 50% more coarz with 50% more housefire.
>>61861412
Okay, then what? Intel will still rock their 14nm chips while amd floods the market with 12 core 24 thread desktop cpus that use 65w and runs at a stock 5GHz? Goodbye Intel, i guess.
>>61861469
That will take a hell of a long time to happen.
Most of Ryzen's power savings come from their shorter pipeline and InfinityFabric. Reducing process node won't help it that much, other than possibly allowing for higher clocks, or lower consumption at the same clocks.
>>61861362
God knows when 10nm is coming. It's taking them so long that they replaced tick-tock with process-architecture-optimization, and then broke that model on the first fucking time through with two optimizations. Supposedly it's going to hit laptops long before desktops, and performance is going to be worse than 14nm+++++++++.
>>61860693
Only in CSGO
>>61861503
Zen is 19 stages. That's not short at all.
And yes, SenseMI is absolutely awesome when it comes to power regulation.
>>61861469
Intel will adopt 10+ for desktop eventually (probably Icelake).
The bad part is that Core is old and rusty.
It can't even hope to compete against refined Zen uarch-wise.
>6c6t vs 6c12t
Coffee Lake? More like Coffin Lake lmao.
>>61861741
Don't forget that it means biggur dies thus lower margins.
It's soooooooooooooooooooo bad for Intel.
At least consumer Vega is shit so jacketman is not eating his leather jackets.
Poor Quadro tho.
>>61861764
> biggur dies thus lower margins
That depends on the 14nm++ fab process. Nearly all Kaby Lake i5's are perfectly fine i7's, and are just artificially cut down.
>>61861764
better save that $0.001 on the thermal paste.
>>61861739
Why does AMD keep making new architectures from the ground up while Intel just iterates? You can trace Kaby Lake back to what, P6? I feel like doing it AMD's way is a bit of a gamble, risking the result being either awesome or terrible. A whole new arch is definitely a good thing for Zen, but AMD probably would have been better off refining K10 rather than making Bulldozer.
i5 needs to be less expensive than Ryzen 5, but (((they))) want more shekels anyways.
>>61861811
It's still native hexacore dies.
These are bigger.
AMD can allow themselves to sell Zeppelin this cheap because they bin through tons of silicon. Zeppelin feeds everything but APUs.
>another rushed garbage fire
>still having 'K' series unlocked CPUs (meaning still having locked CPUs)
>those low clocks
>just moving up 2 cores instead of four, leaving Ryzen 7 to own the entire high end bu themselves
>these will probably be more expensive too
this is ridiculous
>>61861830
K10 with faster cachez would ve okay, but merely okay. Sometimes you have to gamble on new design. Bulldozer was a failure because it was design focused on pure int throughtput per mm^2 of silicon. Zen is more balanced design. It's still focused on methodologically murdering Intel and gestating ARM in datacenter.
Also the next AMD design will totally be chiplet and HSA focused.
>>61861503
>shorter pipeline
Agner's mispredict penalties are 18 cycles for Zen vs. 15-20 cycles for Skylake.
>>61861830
wtf are you smoking?
shitdozer was rehashed for 5 years.
>>61862366
It was iterated on, and decently so. Having several design teams working at once is a blessing you know.
>>61862366
Bulldozer was all new. When's the last time Intel made a completely new architecture?
>>61860693
why are they doing no 4c 4t dies and just using the fucked up ones for i3s. something seems off
>>61862507
>When's the last time Intel made a completely new architecture?
Larrabee.
Ehh.
That was bad.
REALLY bad.
http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcee889e8d5e2d2e2d6e2d6f082bf8fa9cca994a482f1ccf4&l=en
They are not rumors, the leaked specs were pretty much spot on accurate
Hey at least Vega is bad.
>>61862565
I will wait for the actual benchmarks before judging that one.
>>61862589
It's DOA.
They failed to fix BW bottlenecks.
The uarch is as good as dead in consumer space.
>>61862543
Forgot about that
>Larrabee's x86 cores were based on the much simpler P54C Pentium design which is still being maintained for use in embedded applications.[12]
Guess not.
>>61862611
Atoms (Silvermont and onwards) are no longer P54C-based. They have limited OoOE now.
>>61860693
8700K here I come
>>61862625
Wrong, since Goldmont it's fully OoOE
>Fully out-of-order memory execution and disambiguation. The Goldmont microarchitecture can execute one load and one store per cycle (compared to one load or one store per cycle in the Silvermont microarchitecture). The memory execution pipeline also includes a second level TLB enhancement with 512 entries for 4KB pages.
>>61860693
all depends on the cache levels, if they are the same as 78xx series, then it's going to suck ass
>>61862658
Oh, NICE.
Shame that Intel has no validation so ded atoms.
>>61862668
It's SKL-S with moar coarz.
No cache changes, still 256KB L2@core and 2MB L3@slice.
>>61862534
because 4c 8t i3 will kill 6c 6t i5
>>61860693
>same old 14nm
>6 cores
>95 watts
some one is lying out their ass
>>61860714
/thread
>>61861051
>not playing doom2 with 2000+ fps
>>61862650
Don't forget to delid and buy a fire extinguisher
>>61860693
Depends on the price. I mean AMD stayed around even when all they had where fx cpus, because intel is really fucked up with how they price all that melted dirt.
8700K looks apealling if it'll have the same IPC as babylake
>>61862854
>announcing sage
back to plebbit with you amdrone
>>61862386
>bulldozer was good.
Let that piece of shit die with the shame that it deserves, and let's all be glad that amd has ryzen now.
>>61862854
Same socket, same waterblock
>>61860693
>Will six-core i5 make Ryzen 5 irrelevant
No, because the 1600 / 1600x are 6C/12T, and that i5 is 6C/6T.
>>61862546
>Power 511.8W
>>61860693
>TWO
>POINT
>EIGHT
>GIGAHERTZ
>>61863026
I never said it was good.
I said it's iterations were decent.
>>61862744
What, how?
>>61860693
not with those clocks, it's probably even throttles
>>61863064
Who cares about base clock? Even the locked i5 has a 3.8GHz all core boost clock, and most boards will be able to lock them to the single core boost on all cores ("Enhanced Turbo"), so 4GHz on all cores for a cheap, locked part.
>>61863129
kaby needs to be 4.5-5Ghz to lead 7% on ryzen at 3.9
it's like you missed all the benchmarks
>>61863064
>m-m-m-muh gigahurtz!
>>61862744
this thing i'm not sure about
i3 with 4/8 kind of murders whole intel line up
i5/i7 won't sell at all, but knowing intel segmentation practices they might lower clocks to oblivion and then nothing will sell haha
>>61863156
>>61863129
AMD beat intel, so they are competing with the ARM market
do you think it's going to be paper launch on 21st?
they announced the thing too early
>>61863147
Benchmarks of what? Muh video gaymes? A 7700K at 5GHz has close to a 50% lead in single core performance in Cinebench compared to a 4GHz Ryzen chip. As always, it entirely depends on what workload you throw at it.
>>61863190
It needs to be a hard launch.
FFS Ryzen sells like fucking hotcakes.
And AMD is yet to launch fucking Raven Ridge.
>>61860693
yup, i'm glad intel is bringing this, already preordered 2 of those babies
amd just delivers fails, almost bought a ryzen
>>61863064
FFS, where are the 10GHz chips you promised me, Intel!
>>61863235
U M A D E L I C I A
>>61863199
>muh singlecore
when will you understand that it's not 2005 anymore?
intel scales like shit with more cores, ryzen got 95%+ scaling
all intel has is clocks, they lose this advantage going more cores
>>61863199
This plus workloads like emulation where IPC is most important. Even rpcs3 which is the most MT emulator and uses a tread for each of the 7 SPEs never needs more than 4-5 threads because almost no games utilize more than 1-2 SPEs.
>>61863241
at least it's true that we can compress/decompress video/sound on the fly now
in 2000 it seemed far off
>>61863256
Please go back to /v/ you tech-illiterate piece of filth.
>>61863260
when even a bulldozer can run emulators perfectly fine point is mute
>>61863241
You missed the footnotes about needing quadruple phase change cooling and a small diesel power generator.
Thanks Intel.
>>61863277
>when even a bulldozer can run emulators perfectly fine
at 10fps sure
>>61863277
Not CEMU and that new PS3 one though. The differences are pretty ridiculous in favor of jewtel too - even at similar clocks for some reason. It was pretty much the only thing that made me consider not getting Ryzen next week but I thought about it a bit and realized it's not really worth getting intel just for P5 and by the time it's properly playable Ryzen 2 may roll around anyway. I'm not in a hurry
>>61861072
there is amd tdp
and then there is intel "tdp"
at least with amd you get what they advertised on intel you also get a free cremation device
>>61863347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwZTyhmFgJo
>>61860693
>MOAR COARS
What's the matter intel? I thought moar coars was just a meme.
>>61863269
Maybe you should seeing as only vidya at this point uses single core perf.
>>61863514
Not him but games use multiple cores, so what's the deal?
Though Coffee Lake is a laughable product family that fits absolutely nowhere, it is sort of a good sign. Possibly.
If intel made 6 core chips mainstream in all their future generations it would be a good sign, assuming they didn't raise prices. It would show an explicit move in response to Ryzen from AMD, and across the board the consumer is the one who benefits. Advancements from both companies. Real competition again.
>>61863698
Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake were always meant to be six core mainstream, I remember a year or two ago when Coffee Lake was penciled in at early 2019
The only difference now is that they are rushing Coffee Lake and will rush Cannon and Ice Lake because of Ryzen
>>61863407
This is cool. But why did he unset the CPU affinity for so many cores?
>>61863799
to remove core synchronisation latency
>>61863304
>at 10fps sure
But those are at a smooth 10fps. I've actually tested amd fps vs intel fps, and 10 amd fps "feels" like 120 intel fpsen. 120 intel fps feels like nothing but stutter, and doesn't compare to the buttery smooth amd fps.
>>61863304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d14KGCJtgLM
random video from youtube search
>>61863241
They delivered, 10 GHz were pretty common with quadcore i5s in 2010. Current CPUs often range up to 40 GHz in total.
Anyway, I guess my 5820K will be better than this shit and it has 12 threads as well. I still think of getting a 5960X, mine is a shitty OCer, but it seems worthless. I don't really need more performance, my next upgrade may be the Zen 2 workstation entry. I like HEDT platforms, they have a higher lifespan and better quality.
>>61865940
>trolling
>>61865940
Why did you even type this out?
>>61863260
It makes me mad if we've hit a single core limit, there are plenty of old games that can max out even an overclocked Intel processer just because they hit one core so hard.
>>61866098
Stop playing old crap
At those clocks it will be faster. It's all about pricing. And then with Zen+ AMD will have another opportunity to price appropriately.
CFL i7 8700K for $349 same as Kaby Lake i7 launch
https://ark.intel.com/products/97129/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_50-GHz
CFL i5 8600K for $249 same as Kaby Lake i5 launch
https://ark.intel.com/products/97144/Intel-Core-i5-7600K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
CFL i3 8350K for $149 same as Kaby Lake i3 launch
https://ark.intel.com/products/97527/Intel-Core-i3-7350K-Processor-4M-Cache-4_20-GHz
Links are to Kaby Lake SKUs for launch prices
>>61866134
Why am I seeing websites saying the i3-8300 will have 4c8t ???
>>61866112
suggest better games then.
>>61866134
they better be lower than that, because we (consumers) have ryzens now.
>>61866304
>Intel
>lowering prices
>I have no idea how segmentation works
(lol
>>61866279
It's probably fake. Remeber how adding hyperthreading to Pentiums murdered their whole i3 line? How do people think making a 4C8T at i3 prices would go? Everyone would just buy that, it would kill the i5 and i7 except for the people that really wanted 6C12T.
>>61866304
>Intel giving a fuck about Rypoos
TOP KEK
i3 will not get 4/8 until i5s get 6/12 and i7 moves to 8/16 which is what will happen in Ice Lake gen
Cannonlake was suppose to have 8 cores but that was cancelled
>>61866339
>Cannonlake was suppose to have 8 cores but that was cancelled
That's Ice Lake
By that time AyyMD will probably have 10-12 corez if their CPU doesn't go the way of Fury
>>61866375
Are you retarded?
Do you even see the image posted? Cannonlake was suppose to have 8 cores but was cancelled
Ice Lake will have 8 cores and that will be the end of AYYMD HOUSEFIRES, Zen can't compete and neither will Zen 2 or 3
>>61860787
Say that to core counts
>>61866134
>same as Kaby Lake iX launch
moar cores
no way in hell same price
>>61860693
no, it will make intel irrelevant
Should've been
>Celeron 2C/2T
>Pentium 2C/4T
>i3-81xx 4C/4T
>i3-83xx 4C/8T
>i5-8400 6C/6T
>i5-8500, 8600, 8600K 6C/12T
>i7 8C/16T
It's going ot overclock just as bad as Skylake-X, especially on lower end motherboards that can't supply 200W+ to the CPU.
Intel is going to ship golden samples with gigantic watercooolers and high end motherboards to the press, but in real life nobody is going to see any higher overclocks than with Broadwell-E.
>>61860693
No, because Ryzen 5 1400 will outperform it in certain tasks - that lack of smt/ht on the i5 is killer.
Ryzen 5 1600/1600X vs. Core i7 6c/12t will be a pretty decent fight though, especially if Intel prices it right,
>>61866320
Pushing forward a release by half a year tells us Intel gives a fuck, yes.
>>61866279
It won't. The 4c8t will be an i5.
>>61865940
broadwell doesnt overclock well at all and your post reeks of trolling or genuine retardation
>>61866518
>It's Sandy vs. Ivy all over again
Reminder: Joo Gew is not to save half a cent on production costs, nor is it due to size issues - Joo Gew (and the reason why Intel use the lowest grade shit too...) is so the processors have shelf life other than performance metrics.
For the average person, an Intel CPU has a life of 3-4 years now before the paste goes bad, check those 100+C Ivy/Early Haswell speccy screenshots floating around recently.
>>61866558
No.
i3 = 4c4t
i5 = 6c6t
i7 = 6c12t
>>61866531
no way a 4c/8t 1400 will beat a 6c/6t i5
>>61866604
I am aware. Doesn't mean there won't be other i5s.
>>61866675
Very way in certain workloads.
>>61862777
Czeched, and I want to see a fully multi threaded gpu accelerated version of Doom II just to see what kids of frame rates you could get.
>>61866708
No. The only 4c/8t that's worth a damn is the 7700K, and even that one doesn't win in all cases against a Ryzen 1600. How do you think a Ryzen 4c/8t with inferior clockspeeds and IPC compared to the 7700K is going to perform against a 6c/6t Intel? Not great.
>>61866688
Oh yes there will be other i5s... with locked cores :DD
>>61866752
>6c/12t wins against 4c/8t
Sure
>6c/6t wins against 4c8/t in every workload
Nope.
Let me break that down for you since you're probably STILL not getting
8 threads is more than 6.
>>61866531
Should I buy Ryzen now or wait until Ryzen+ or Ryzen2 or whatever it will be called?
>>61860693
Intel's platform is too fucking segmented across socket types. I get a headache even thinking about trying to assess what processor/socket to get. So, doubtful .. For brainlets who buy oem/prebuilt and corporations, they'll ofc win. For people who actually build their own systems, nah.
>>61866752
>inferior IPC
Wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiy1kZaQT1s
Inferior to Broadwell-E, but so is Skylake-X...
Ryzen == Skylake-X IPC.
>>61866826
Well if AMD wasn't leading us up the garden path, the boards should be good through 2020.
So with that in mind, do whatever you need to.
Depending on what you have now, used is fine too.
Broadwell-E is faster than Skylake-X, but some cucks will end up upgrading for good reason anyway, see if you can't snap up a cheap X99 system even.
>>61863235
Get back to work, Brian.
>>61866798
I'm saying an Intel 6c/6t is going to win against a Ryzen 4c/8t, yes. When is the last time you've taken a look at any sort of benchmarks?
>>61866134
Wishful thinking.
>>61866840
Wrong about what? You seem to be saying Ryzen has equal or better IPC than Kaby Lake, which it doesn't.
>>61866320
>Rypoos
>poo
>>61860739
>Intel admitting defeat
For Intel to admit defeat AMD would have to win first which is not going to happen
>>61866418
>Ice Lake will have 8 cores and that will be the end of AYYMD HOUSEFIRES, Zen can't compete and neither will Zen 2 or 3
lol this level of delusion. Their 10nm node is a disaster and even their 2nd version of it won't be faster than 14nm. Meanwhile Zen 2 is using Glofo's 7nm tech that's actually not shit. Intel lost their fab advantage. They lost the fab war. And their architecture is old and moldy. Zen 2 will have further IPC improvements. Also, kill yourself housefires spammer.
>>61866955
Their entire lineup save for one lonely 7700K is deader than shit and you're saying this? lol
Coffee Lake better be good.
>>61866977
Pic related.
>>61866826
The MB will be good until zen3.
That said, zen2 won't arrive before the end of next year, but they will probably launch a Zen refresh with higher max clocks after Covfefe Lake.
>>61867012
>Zen refresh
zen+ canned, zen2 on 7nm is the next cpu, confirmed by papermaster
might happen q2 2018 if everything goes well on fabs
>>61867084
Nope, 7nm by globalfoundries is currently scheduled for 2H 2018, assuming everything goes well.
And I doubt they will not upgrade their lineup in the slightest for 18 or more months.
>>61863347
Fucking hell give it rest. Emulators that can play old games poorly and buggy is so niche is virtually irrelevant.
Stop bringing that shitty reason to the table for ipc arguments.
fake leaks. waiting for official specs
>>61867368
Get back to work, Brian.
I want everyone dead in this thread :^)
>>61863347
CEmu is improving so fast it's ridiculous. By the time you actually have your Ryzen rig set up, it's going to be even better. They're delivering on those Patreon bux.
>>61866134
The i5 will still cost a good chunk more than they 1600, especially as you need an aftermarket cooler and more expensive motherboard
>>61867482
Dumb Shitose poster.
>>61866531
The i7 will be double the price of a ryzen 1600
>>61867527
you're all dumb shitposters with your retarded intel vs amd war.
How about you fuck off back to your containment board >>>/trash/
>>61866418
zen2 made on 7nm wont be able to compete with a 10nm intel housefire..
7nm made by ibm with operating speed of 5ghz....
LOL
>>61860714
4.3ghz hexa core.
Intel needs at least 4.6ghz to match amd 4ghz ipc
>>61860754
Yeah Intel is hot.
>>61861257
Why the fuck brian doesnt cancel the roadmap? It's fucking dead already.
>>61866418
>Ice lake
>5Ghz stock housefires
Good luck with that
>>61863277
>mute
Pretentious writers are a diamond dozen.
>>61866498
Pretty much, but I doubt Intel will do this.
M O A R C O A R S
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>>61868504
I am not sure if anyone in Intel knows what to do right now.
>>61861226
"a few more"
>>61866498
They don't want i3s to have more threads than i5s.
Your i5-8400 would be a dead product just like Kaby Lake i3s. You don't want the entry level product canibalising the mid level product.
Your i7s would make it much harder for intel to make money in the future.
Heard modern Intels are locked to Windows 10. Does Ryzen do this too?
>>61870358
so sad the only appeal of women is their wiggling titties
>>61870358
salsa por favor
>>61861051
Hey fuck you, I need 16 threads to play Dawn of War soulstorm.
>>61863799
Some games are iffy with how many cores and threads are enabled. It's not limited to Ryzen.
>>61866928
It does
>>61870358
You can use older versions of Windows. But Microsoft is blocking the use of windows update on systems with kabylake and zen processors. Windows 7 in my experience works fine, but you'll have to find other ways to get your updates.
>>61871347
That is some crap WCCFturd made up before Ryzen was even released.
>>61871459
Go back to work Brian
>>61871459
Superpi is literal old as shit and hasn't been relevant in years because it favors high clock speeds instead of actual performance
>>61871459
>he hasn't heard of Agner
Its okay anon, we understand you are retarded and we are willing to help you with your disability.
>>61860693
Morons. Why can't they do 8700K for i7, 8500K for i5, 8300K for i3 and fill the numbers 100 up and down from those with the same category? I won't support a company that designs unappealing naming schemes. Ryzen did this too, with 1400<1500X<1600<1600X, 1700>1700X>1800X incongruity. Totally disgust!
>>61863027
>same socket
lel
>>61866899
When all the benchmarks show the Ryzens beating Intel like the bratty child it is?