Was the internet really better before 2007?

>>61851113
Yes, social media changed a lot of things and change isn't always positive.

It was. Everything wasn't centralized to a handful of websites. The change to what the internet is now, obviously, but I'd say early 2000s were the golden age of the internet.

>>61851145
>The change to what the internet is now
had begun*

>>61851113
Yes, unequivocally. The great normie influx and their social media cancer ruined not only the internet, but society as a whole.

>>61851145
yes i remember i had multiple forum accounts nowadays i dont even bother

>>61851113
Internet aka (((google))) aka (((kikebook))) aka amazon

>>61851113
Yes because now people just yell things loud enough and that makes it true
"That's illegal"
uhh no it isn't
"Yeah huh"
>goes to jail

>>61851113
Yes. The Jews didn't have their claws into the internet as deeply as they do now.

>>61851137
Social media used to be nice because it was a containment zone for normies. What went wrong was when the rest of the Internet bent backwards to accomodate it.

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you could open a reasonable amount of tabs and your computer wouldn't freeze because the good browsers weren't written by pajeets

also, vendors of those browsers didn't want to censor the internet

>>61851113
the average speed was fucking aweful i was on 1mbit symetrical

But the actual Internet? Yeah it was WAAAAAAAAAAAY less cencored and the normie mobile phone shitfucks had not discovered it yet and it was still deemed as "nerdy"

>>61851182
This.

But before that, I miss all the personal fansites on GeoCities, Angelfire and Tripod.

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>>61851238
The speed wasn't so much an issue because the page weight was far less then.

>>61851234
>you could open a reasonable amount of tabs and your computer wouldn't freeze because the good browsers weren't written by pajeets
this
also every page wasn't loading a shit-ton of javascript just to spy on you constantly

>>61851238
Fuck you, I browsed the internet on my (smart)phone back then.

>>61851113
no it was always shit internet is a meme

>>61851339
Go back to the Gopher General.

>>61851234
don't forget that those tabls contained html 4 webpages and not a two megabyte big javascript webapp that "looks like" a webpage.

>>61851307
Not to mention webpages weren't fucking 20MB and didn't all have an overworked javascript soft auto scrolling eyecandy flash video covered bullshit trend about them.

>>61851366
yes, you need 350 MB of memory to display an A4 size page with text and some images

>>61851323
you had a ""smart""phone in 2007?

>>61851207
>Social media used to be nice
I remember seeing Hi5 for the first time and thinking it was kind of neat. Too young to figure out the implications I guess but by then our fate was already sealed.

>>61851429
I had a proper full fledged smartphone, yes.

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>>61851407
all that neat stuff
plus some lightweight ads
>that's an actual fuckhuge video ad playing in the background

>>61851366
Please bring HTML4 back. Speaking of, what the fuck happened to XHTML? The last time I checked it was supposed to be the future of the Web, replacing HTML4. Now I looked it up at the W3C website and they haven't updated the specifications since the release!

>>61851429
I had a palm smart phone.

>>61851506
Deprecated. HTML5 now has an XHTML5 specification instead.

>>61851565
>>61851506
HTML 6 under development.

There weren't just a couple sites you went on. It wasn't as serious and censored as it is now. People were making youtube videos for fun, to share something with everyone else, and not for money. You could find a lot of fansites dedicated to anything. Websites weren't made for smartphones, even though resolution was lower, they had more information in them. Internet wasn't perfect back then, but damn, compared to what it is now, it was a fucking paradise. I wish we could go back. I'm afraid of what internet will become in 10 years or so.

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The time from roughly 1996 to 2009/2010 was the golden era of internet. Since 2010, it's been mostly downhill, with very little actual positive development.

Even just a decade ago...

- Websites didn't have multi-megabyte JS shits attached to them.

- You actually could browse without needing an ad blocker (though adblockers helped).

- Only some sites tried to track you, now they all link to Facebook and who knows where else, all trying to monetize you.

- Autoplay videos were very rare, because you needed Flash/Java plugins for them and many people hated them and they had slow connections, so you just couldn't really do that except in some exceptional situations.

- There was no "modern" or "flat" design. Web sites actually looked different. Thousands of unique styles to choose from. No hamburger menus. And there were colors. Not just monotone shades of gray.

- People still had homepages, with thousands and thousands of more unique styles. Now they just set up a Facebook page and call it done.

Sigh...

I fear what the web will look 10 years from now. It's probably all "VR this", "augmented reality that". With ads covering every damn surface.

>>61851587
I'm sure they'll fuck with things even more for "semantics".

><p> is depreciated, use <text>,<writing>,<paragraph>, <words> instead.

>>61851234
You're some autist if you can't open 30 tabs in this day and age. My average moderately low end laptop handles 30-50 tabs on Firefox with ease. You're an idiot.

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>>61851818
The fact that this is a remote but real possibility, angers me to an unimaginable extent.

>>61851429
My father had an I Mate, these were the shit.

>>61851815
Saw yesterday on some news the prototype for kikebook vr. It's disgusting.
Also you need to weight the real downfall began when masses got smartphone. That opened the web for all sort of idiots, and the majority of people let's face have sub 100 iq.

Was talking to a friend about kikebook, a d avg user. He told me people these days go to Facebook and actually use it as search engine, like I want a pizza, and fb happly will show you who can sell. Idiots don't even get out of fb anymore.

>>61851457
light untarageted ads back in the day were comfy as fuck to be honest. I genuinely discovered new things because they weren't targeted to my search interests. I wouldn't mind them, but nowadays disabling adblocker means inviting malware into your machine.
I wonder what went wrong.

>>61851815
>>61851593
It really upsets me to think how much things have degraded. It's not just a case of nostalgia, the web now is just exceptionally lousy by every measurable metric.

Sometimes I hope for an attack or disaster that makes the web slow again. Not 5KB/s, but slow enough that normies get impatient and don't bother any more.

I miss old /b/. When it was the wild west of the interbutt. Anything and everything was fair game. Now it's all PC bullshit and censoring anything mods don't like. Well they did that too but it was more of a 'mods are gods' kinda banning.

>>61851234
lmao I''m sorry but all I can remember about trying to use tabs in 2007 was that it consistently didn't work on any computer or browser I used and I just thought at the time it was a fad because of it.

>>61851894
The true impact of smartphones was the ability of normies to take the internet with them, and constantly have access to their normie shit and an ability to partake in their normie snapchat tweet faceberg shit.

What's even worse is that people went from thinking I was lord of the nerds to a moron because I don't know how to work snapchat when people ask.

Not really.
>>61851815
Web sites looked like shit

>>61852039
I think you're missing the point. Those personal websites, for all that was wrong with them, represented the person making them, even if the red text on black background ("because I like Alkaline Trio!") was hard to read, it said something about the one who made it.

>>61851296
>2mb for a page
no wonder it eats mobile data like a retarded horse

>>61852325
Also bear in mind that's the AVERAGE, meaning some (the kind likely to be viewed by someone who browses the web on a mobile on 3G/4G) will use a lot more.

>>61851457
>screenshot (1.2mb)
yea that too , embed pics used to be small af
also use ublock to fuck that ad

>>61851850
you can open way more shit on opera presto than you can using chrome that barely works when you're dealing with more than 5 tabs on 2 GB of RAM. it's stupid that i now have to buy more memory for my mother's computer that can do everything else on winders 10 just fine.

>>61851113
my brother still uses windows 7
is he based?

>>61851850
>moderatly low end
specs pls

>>61851182
Most forums are so utterly terrible they're barely worth browsing.

>>61851113
Yes. DC++, many forums with lots of people there, no retarded memes (at least, they didn't feel like spam).

But, the internet in late 90s-early 00s was the best, that was the age of local networks, slow connections and VALUABLE information. Now information doesn't require anything and therefore is completely devalued.

as terrible as flash was, its still much better then webgl shit
>uses 80% of your memory and crashes your browser for the simplest program

>>61851894
>>61852015
i recently moved and i was having a chat w/ the roomates to get to know em , he asked me if i had a FB , i told em no
he asked me what do i use on the web besides youtube , i told em that i browse forums and shit , that guy didnt know what a forum was , showed him one and he was just like "so its just like facebook"

i died a little that day

>>61851952
/b/ has mods? last time i went there i saw someone getting impaled , that was ~3 years ago

>>61852535
>"so its just like facebook"

That makes me unhappy in a very deep part of my soul.

>>61852015
That is because average retard on smartphones seen internet as a handful of apps like kikebook and Snapchat.
They don't know and don't care whatever it is the more streamlined the better.
The bad part of it is that majority of resources, patterns, business and operations will always flock to where is the biggest usage due to volumes, so you will naturally end with worse and worse content.

The pathway is really interesting:
First wave: mostly academia, universities
Second wave: academia and tech
Third wave: wild web, first commercial operations, dot com bubble
Current : mass internet usage, service convergence, content regulation, mass advertising

>>61852422
not until he installs gentoo

>>61852602
worst thing is , that idiot goes on youtube on MOBILE DATA to LISTEN TO MUSIC (i checked , he does not even lower the quality from 720p to like 480 or 360)

god you shud legally ban people from using smartphones until they are 16 or so so they learn how to use a device properly

>>61852621
Just imagine if we kept all the bloat out, we'd probably all be running a protocol similar to NNTP, but on our personal computer.
>turn on computer
>sync favourite sites
>downloads all changes to your computer

Instead we have people all over the place treating the web like a kind of broadcast media. Look at /pol/ losing its mind trying to find a new "station" for their normie e-moaning videos.

>>61852851
No, worst thing is that they take something amazing and make us hate it.

You can access anything, from anywhere, the internet is literally in the air. That is astoundingly cool...But all it's used for is uploading pictures of what you're eating or tweeting some shit (140 characters? Really? Why has anyone accepted that trash?)

>>61851113
Today is all about personal opinonions

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>>61852943
There used to be functionalities for that on bulletin-board systems. You could download a packet of posts since a set date, your fidomail, and then push up your mail and posts.

>>61851113
You need to be 18 to post here. The answer to that question is obvious.

No, it was better before 2001.

>>61853442
I think the 95-2000 and the 2000-07 are both two different kinds of good. We could argue over which is preferable, but anyone would take either over what we have now.

>>61851815
>2007
>not needing an adblocker
Holy shit you're retarded, enjoy your driveby downloads.

The web has always been shit, just in different flavors over the years. Please note that "internet" is not synonymous with "the web", judging by your question and the responses to this thread I can only assume everyone here is underageb& and never actually experienced the internet outside of the web.

>>61853742
>driveby downloads
How was it like using IE in 2007?

>>61853619
this

>>61853386
An 18 year old today would have been 8 in 2007, not old enough to remember or experience the internet in the way that a teen/young adult would.
I'm 21 years old and have little memory of the internet before 2007.

>>61853764
you mean before the web? the internet is still a thing, which is used by much more than just the web

>>61853742
Mostly an IE problem and it's inability to not execute everything you threw at.

IE exploits were practically a daily occurrence, actual exploits for Firefox and Opera were rare and got fixed within days, while Microsoft spent months twiddling thumbs.

Most exploits required Flash or Java. Actually, they still do.

>>61853854
The non-web internet isn't much of a hive of activity.

Though in a minor way there seems to be some push from the Gopher community to assert itself a bit more.

>>61853982
Gopher + Usenet is real
We need to give them love

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>>61851137

Social media exist since 1999. I remember 4chan talking shit about SomefulAwful and Haboo Hotel

>>61854427
I'd rather not line the pockets of shady usenet providers.

>>61853933
Yeah I don't think the Java driveby exploit was ever fixed.

>>61854541
>shady
Don't believe the hype.
Avoid the binaries and stick to the news.

>>61854526
>Social media exist since 1999
It did but it was a really niche thing. It didn't really pickup until later when platforms like Myspace started to really pull in users.

Of course there are other important factors like cost and speed of access but none of them shaped the internet quite as much as social media.

>>61851189
>didn't put (((amazon)))

>tfw nobody hosts their own website at home on their PCs
>tfw everyone uses shit like AWS or whatever to host
Its like people dont know every machine is a "server" and not just those rack things

>tfw you spent all your time making browsing pixel2life, nsl, and a tiny forum you called home
>spent every day making stupid forum signatures and battling with other forums like you were some sort of artistic pirate crew
Man being 13 was fun.

>>61852015
>I was lord of the nerds to a moron because I don't know how to work snapchat when people ask.

>YOOO SUP MY MAN I CHANGED MY FB NAME WHILE I WAS SUPER DRUNK AND IT ONLY LETS ME CHANGE IT ONCE EVERY HOLOCAUST CAN YOU FIX IT
sorry I don't use facebook I can't help you
>OHHH I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOOD WITH COMPUTERS SENPAI BAKA

>>61851113
yes and no
it's a very complicated matter

No, it has always been shit, but nostalgia makes it look a little bit better.

>>61854815
Also this
You'd think your average webdev with heavy ass javascript ridden pages would know a great deal about hosting, and networking and all the intricacies, but turns out, they're very, very ignorant about networks.
Turns many webdevs dont even know what port the various services they use (HTTP, HTTPS, FTP) are hosted on by default

Shocking really

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>can be sued for offending people
>can go to jail for a tweet
>can get fired for a memo
yes the new internet is great. i can't wait for the gestapo to come knockin' for this post too

>>61855198
>You'd think your average webdev with heavy ass javascript ridden pages would know a great deal about hosting
kek, i think they *should* know, but never have i seen that to be the average case

>>61855263
it's not hard not being a fucking racist online my friend

>>61855198
If they knew that they wouldn't be web devs.

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>>61855305
did you know they now consider eating cheese to be sexist? it's a "product of rape"

>>61851137
Dafuq are you talking about newfag?

>>61855305
"My biggest wish for christmas is white genocide"
>80k retweets
"the mass-influx of Muslims bears economic as well as socio-cultural problems"
>jail time

>>61855347
i consider everything they say to be ear rape

>>61854427
You also get around the encroaching bloat of the web (both in terms of size and general userbase). I could probably swap my PC for a Pi or other SBC of it wasn't for the web.

>>61851113
It was since google was working correct and not giving me filtered results.
God dammit

>>61851155
I almost heard a Christopher Nolan horn.

>>61851113
In some ways.

>forums were much more plentiful and active and were much less cancerous than places like neogaf in its current state
>internet culture as a whole was more similar to 4chan culture of the than it is now
>people had thicker skin
>far far fewer women and blacks on the internet
>more anime
>ebay had better deals
>there were actual undiscovered gems for old consoles to discuss
>webcomics were better

There were some downsides too though
>furries had a greater presence back then
>everyone was liberal by default, kind of like 2012 reddit
>youtube had much less content
>troubleshooting weird problems was much more difficult
>searching for, downloading, and installing drivers manually
>antivirus was an actual necessity
>more anime

Overall I prefer the old internet, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't find the lack of certain modern conveniences highly frustrating were I to go back.

>>61851113
Yes
The web wasn't cancerous as it is now. Late 90/early 2000s were the sweet spot

>>61855734
>forums much less cancerous
anon I think you are not feeling well.

>>61855846
You think the average vidya forum in 2007 was as cancerous as neogaf is in 2017? Either you don't realize how terrible neogaf is these days, or you never experienced how fun forums used to be.

>>61855878
Yes whatever you say dude let it be your way.

>>61851815
>You actually could browse without needing an ad blocker (though adblockers helped).
Fuck no. Popups showed like MAD before the first popup blockers. On some site closing one windows opened a new one.

>>61851113
Internet was the best between 95 and 00.

>Geocities closed down in 2009

It's been that long? Shit.

Anyway, I think that thematically the death of GeoCities was the death of the "old" web. Even though it was a centrally hosted as much as any walled garden it gave people a creative outlet within the language of the web as it was already established.

In a way I'd say that when it was lowered into the ground Sir Tim's dreams for the web were in the casket with it.

Even though they don't play well with phones (there's a debate whether they should) some of the effort that went into some layouts were pretty impressive and very visually appealing.

www.uffsite.net

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There was a lot less idiots on the internet before the invention of the smartphone.

>>61856423

were*

Christ, how embarrassing on my part.

>All these young whippersnappers going on about how the golden age was 2000-2007.
Reminder that the internet was officially completely overrun by normalfags in September of 1993. Blame AOL and CompuServe.

>>61851180
>I'm so special normies ruin everything aaaaaa

>>61856731
>muh eternal September
Yes, it did open the flood gates and ended the secket neckbeard usenet clubs but using the Internet was still an impossibility for the majority. Unreliable dial-up, expense, setup and having to be physically sat at a desktop kept the undesirables away. I don't think it can sink any lower after the Smartphone invasion. The entire Internet will soon comprise of nothing but a handful of sites that are all accessed through "apps".

>>61857207
Although his post was definitely fucking retarded, he isnt really wrong.

>>61851113
For instance, you weren't born, which means one less shitposter

>>61857256
>all accessed through "apps".
this could actually be better
only need to send/receive relevant data, and not the js monstrosities that make up most of the webpages.
and they could be much more efficient in native code instead of abusing html

unfortunately they would make sure the "apps" would be horribly designed and just as terrible as browser version.

like discord. it uses up more memory and cpu then my entire browser with 50 tabs which includes the browser version of discord

>>61857258
If it was fucking retarded and you agree with it, that makes you a fucking retard.

Really makes one ponder.

>>61857373
Yeah, It's your choice of words that makes it sound retarded though.

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>>61851815

Right in the feels man.

I remember so vividly, 15 year old me, coming back from school, jerking it to limewire'd porn, hopping on irc to learn about windows api hooking techniques so I could make my shitty memory modification hack in cs 1.6 work against VAC, and everyone, i mean EVERYONE seeing you as an equal human being interested in IT stuff.

Nowadays it's all just monetized marketing bullshit.
Everyone is just out to make a quick buck, mediocre technical solutions presenting superficial "content" marketed towards retards who are too stupid or lacking the attention span to read up on their supposed hobbies.

Like, how many times do i have to see the same StackOverflow questions being asked over and over and over again, why can't people spent like half an hour researching a problem before feeling entitled to help from outside.

I shit you not, i've seen people graduate with CS degrees who couldn't for the life of them figure out how to basically navigate in a shell.
All they knew up to that point was point+click windows style.

>mfw

>>61856038
The death of geocities marked the end of the creative period of the web. Geocities and the like gave users minimal instructions or rules and let them create whatever website they wanted, in whatever format they desired. Compare that with today's Facebook, which is like Ikea furniture. Arrange the furniture how you like but everyone gets the same furniture.

>>61851307
The problem isn't with the browsers for the most part. It's the bloated websites.

the internet nowadays is much better

>>61857744
How to change background in jquery?

>>61851113
yes. showing a page with text didnt require heavy javascripts.

>>61851180
internet was a mistake. now everyone is a retarded smartphone addict that cant even drive their car without posting selfies on social medias and killing people because they watch their phone instead of the roads.

>>61857207
>>61857373
Listen matey-boy. I have had it up to HERE with your shit, your lack of respect, and generally your whole attitude. Just a warning that if you want to win an argument with me, you better come up with something better than that. Put it this way kiddo: I eat little shits like you for breakfast. I have an IQ of 169 and a degree in math, english, science and IT. Oh yeah, did I fail to mention that I'm also a hacker? Not threatening you or anything, but if I were you, I'd watch your tone.

>>61857744
Are you me?

>>61855734
>everyone was liberal by default, kind of like 2012 reddit
i have not seen any tranny gay gender equality feminism shit on the web before 2015. mentally ill people getting lots of attention and visibility in every media is a new thing.

>>61858925
I mean the "fuck bush he's a war criminal" typical kind of liberalism that was common back then. Everything since 2014 has gone totally off the rails.

>>61858940
so basically what happened was that the left became the far left, and the right became the center left.

i remember people on 4chan who didn't pretend to never masturbate because it was too "degenerate" or people who pretended to be christian

good times

>>61858965
Yeah pretty much. For all the talk on /pol/ about the overton window shifting right lately, it shot really far fucking left under Obama. In 2008, less than 10 years ago, being pro-gay marriage was too controversial for big-name Democrats to come out in favor of. Obama and Hillary both stated during the 2008 primaries that they believed marriage is between a man and a woman, and they were applauded. Flash forward to 2017 and Trump is a villain for not wanting to allow trannies into the military.

Everyone ITT is wrong. Shit has been aaallll downhill since the Eternal September back in '93

>>61854526
>SomefulAwful
That was a forum.

>>61856423
>>61851593
I think the main problem with the smartphone is that it lowered the "barrier of entry" for retards and poorfags to access the internet. Before cheap affordable smartphones started to come out, it used to be significantly more expensive to access the internet. You had to spend hundreds of dollars on a new computer that (for the average tech illiterate) is harder to use compared to an iPhone or Android.

Now anyone can get a decent smartphone for $100 or even less and spend less per month on a data plan than what a home internet connection would cost. Also iOS/Android is more retard friendly compared to Windows.

>>61852068
https://wiby.me

If you know pages like that please submit them

>>61858679
Are you 4chan: the famous hacker ?

>>61851113
Yes

>>61858679
10/10 i bet you shoot kids in school too.

Internet is shit now. Ads/fucking bloat out the ass on almost every damn page. No fucking recaptcha shit, just download your shit and be done with it now popups every where. Forums almost all gone, personal web/ftp sites all almost gone.

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>>61852851
>not downloading the music on your phone using youtube-dl

>>61852851
my sister does this

we have like 3 GB per month and one time she somehow reached 20 GB

she doesn't even pay for it, my parents pay for it and my sister shows nothing but contempt for them

>>61851113
Does it say thank you when you don't pirate it?

>>61855198
>Turns many webdevs dont even know what port the various services they use (HTTP, HTTPS, FTP) are hosted on by default
That's handled by the backend guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTKIgdfoHxM

We can believe

>>61851429
iPhone came out in 2007 newfag

>>61855198
Sounds very pajeet tier

>>61851113
I remember the plethora of email websites. I was rocking dbzmail.com for years until I grew up(sorta)

>>61858679
Is this an old copypasta I'm not aware of?

>>61861795
I still have a hotmail address that I made so I could sign up for Xbox Live.

>>61854526
Well, somethingawful and habbo hotel were pretty gay. Also ebaumsworld.
somethingawful was/is a shitty forum, habbo hotel was a shitty kids game, and ebaumsworld was the 9gag of the time. Looks like ebaumsworld turned into a buzzfeed ripoff now.

>>61862042
its probably locked now.
unless you frequently log in, or can remember who you emailed last or something.

>>61851296
not good for media (video) though

>>61851113
fuck yes
>surfing was actually about trying to dig up new websites instead of going to the same 5 sites every day
>social media was not as wide spread so there was less normie SJW bullshit
>online advertising was less annoying
>smartphones were not as widespread so most online content wasnt just selfies and niggers filming their crimes
>web browsers didnt consume almost all the memory in your system
>could still freely pirate everything i needed
>shitposting never put your career at risk

old internet was great. you could still do the majority of things that you can do now but there were far less retards all over the place.

>>61862430
the very concept of surfing is mostly gone, most people don't look for new sites, they go to sites that are advertised to them and that's about it

>>61862430
>>could still freely pirate everything i needed

i can download any game, movie, album etc. from sites like rutracker or DHT network in minutes

>>61851137
>social media
by that you mean asian/indian spambots right?

>>61862457
>the very concept of surfing is mostly gone, most people don't look for new sites, they go to sites that are advertised to them and that's about it
They don't use google anymore??!?

>>61862512
yea, they search for "facebook" then click on the first result, ad or not, for the purpose of going to facebook

>>61862481
back then you didnt have to worry about getting copyright notifications.

>>61851113
yes
remember when you used to be a loser and a nerd for using your computer frequently?
now these low iq drone normies can't go a minute without holding up their phone to use snapchat. It makes me fucking angry.

>>61851113
Only hipsters claim that

>>61852943
Freenet and zeronet are kind of like this; they're peer-to-peer internet.

I think these are the future of the nerd internet

>>61851113
It was a whole lot harder to find useful information about stuff.
You take for granted how easy it is to find technical information about pretty much anything.

Ive been in a few hobbies for a while now, and I remember googling stuff and never being able to find the answer for it.
It just doesnt really happen nowadays, vast amounts of knowledge.

Its truly remarkable

>>61851238
Still on 1 megabit...can't do anything about it.

>>61851894
If that's true, that maybe facebook can remain a containment zone while everything gets built back up.

>>61852851
But how would lazy parents keep track of their hell spawn if they didn't have a phone as a toddler?

>>61855924
Dude, forums were the bomb. Like IRC or message boards. Like minded people, chit chatting, usually friendly, and the worst offense you could do was say you liked Mike over Joel.

>>61858658
What's worse are the ones that say "hur, it's not that bad, I do it all the time and I haven't been in an accident" or get pissy when a cop stops them over it saying they have the right to do it because 'murica.

>>61860822
Not having flac files on your phone.

I'm ready to get my Amiga 1200 back out and use that to irc, and maybe a little bit of /g/

I used to have some kind of online presence. I had friends and even a sexy camgirl e-gf I had somehow met on the internet. Mostly by being part of forums I think.

Nowadays I don't have any friends and lost touch with the old ones, I don't know how to meet people online, I don't belong anywhere, I feel like an old piece of shit despite being 23.

>>61851113
Aside from the two exceptions of pornography and streaming video, the internet got worse.

>>61851113
Overall, yes. It was less centralized, a bit more wild west and anonymous.

Now Google is literally everywhere. Twitter is a garbage ass website that for some reason a lot of people use. Facebook too. Some companies literally use Facebook as their websites.
Microshit used to ignore the internet, now even those incompetent fucks feel like they need to spread their garbage online.
Companies are hungry for your data and want you to sign in all the time. Anonymity was actually valued back then, because the web was made by nerds for nerds. Now it's made by Jews for normies.

Not everything was better, though, some technical progress brought improvements. Media playback was done through plugins or 3rd party software, even uploading files often required Flash or Java. But as long as you used a proper browser (not IE) you were alright.
Now web apps do everything, which reduces the need for other software (messengers, media,...). But things went a bit out of hand and websites that could be simple html are bloated as fuck with JS.

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Anyone who comes from the glorious BBS age?
I mean dial up BBSs, the ones preceding the spread of the modem ~1994.
How did one find a BBS at the time?
I mean, for example, let's say one of these days I wake up in 1992. How would I go around getting myself to a BBS? Would I need real life contacts to give me the numbers? Or was there a way to find them by myself?

>>61864037
i'm not quite old enough for that, but my guess is that you'd get at least one bbs number upon first hearing about the existence of bbs, then from within that bbs you would find out about others
it's not like there would have been too great a number of them that you could reasonably access, as they worked over regular telephone calls, you were liable for long distance charges, so unless you were rich as shit, you'd want to stick to physically local bbs servers

>>61862234
There could be a debate on whether or not that was a good thing.

>>61862512
Google doesn't really allow for "surfing" since all the first few pages always link to the same selection of sites regardless of their accuracy to your search.

>>61851113
Yes, there were these things called websites that you surfed.

>>61864037
Mostly just word of mouth. Perhaps flyers and stuff. Most BBSs like real life were for local people.

>>61852015
This here damn.

>Ayo dawg synch my instakike to my faceberg

It was so much easier to meet women online years ago. They were a lot less creepy and stalkerish also. If it didn't work out after the first time you met up all you had to do was change your screen name, screen your phone calls for a week, and you would never hear from them again.

>>61863410
do it and post your journey in a /retro/ thread. i'm going to start messing around with a c64&128 myself.

>>61863882
>pornography
all you get now is spam. the state of porn on the web is abysmal
t. daily fapper since 13

No.

>>61851894
>and the majority of people let's face have sub 100 iq
that's not how iq works, at least in theory.

>>61852496
It's always been like that because well-adjusted adults are more likely to have shit to do. I think upvote systems amplify this.

>>61851113
No

>be me
>never had access to the internet untill 2009 when my dad gave me his old latitude c600
>too young to realize the internet was already turning to shit
>too immature to actually do anything worthwile
>mfw I visited 4chan in 2009 because of news report
>mfw I fucking clicked back because I wasn't 18
>mfw the only reason I came back to 4chan was people spamming shrek memes
>mffw I can't ever say "I wish I was born in the 80s" because I get bombarded with "haha what a edgy "wrong generation" fag"

At least I was around briefly before the age of botnet that we live in today. I still have that latude c600, too bad the ATI chip is dead. Anyone else have similar feels?

>>61851113
NOT TECHNOLOGY RELATED MATTER OF OPINION YOU STUPID FUCKING SHILL

>>61853833
P. Wrong, I actually remember.
I remember in 2006 when I came home from elementary school I rushed to my "family PC" (a fancy term to say my dad bought it) to talk with my classmates on MSN, went on some forums about LEGOs and NES gaming (it was the only console I had at the time, we weren't all that rich). I can still remember the hassles of using forums, whit GODmins and "I PM'd you the solution :wink:".
Also, when I finished, I shut down the computer or either went at the local park to play with my friends or went to my friends house to play some PS2, since it was the only way I was able to play some "recent" games

Though, I don't think the "forum" structure was all that good. Sure, it was made by fans for fans, but I hated how they were slow in posts a and admins and mods just acted like gods, or "reply to this thread to see the hidden link" and that thread was closed.

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>>61864557
>Also, when I finished, I shut down the computer or either went at the local park to play with my friends or went to my friends house to play some PS2
I miss those days. People are too attached to technology itself rather than using it as a tool.

>>61864675
>>61864557
This is why I miss text files, or just self-contained single files in general. It gave you the opportunity to take it away from the grid and consume the content how you like, whether you print it or use a pager like less or whatever.

I know you can use things like youtube-dl for downloading media, or just save all the page requisites on wget, but the simplicity of a single written document as a method of spreading information just seems so much more user friendly.

If I could make one change to the web, that would be it. It would also solve every single problem that we're having with hosting and backups and serving if we were to just make things a little simpler.

A lot of people i know migrated to Facebook, since they have "easy" community management tools.

I don't really like it, it kind of feels modern social media has made people more narcissistic?

>>61851113
the internet was good until moot started using it

>>61864761
It made people think others care what they have to say about minor current events, but also gave the kind of people who like gossip an outlet TO care.

>>61864675
The worst is that people use the web as an extension (and in some places, a replacement) for their daily lives, rather than as a separate or supplementary aspect.

>>61864903
Ironically, those of us who were exposed to technology and the web earlier are the most well-adjusted, and our thinking tends to skew toward >>61864675 pic related.

>>61864928
Because when we were first exposed to it usages were limited by multiple factors. It was expensive to spend the day hitting refresh to see how many people liked your picture of a potato you saw by the side of the road.

I really think that a hard limit is needed for some people. Might just quit modernity in general, buy a shitty laptop that's silent and live in the framebuffer using BBSs, Usenet, Gopher, etc.

Just using a text-based browser for a day made me realise how much I hate the "culture" of the modern web. No one ever seems to want to dedicate themselves to anything, while at the same time dedicating all their time on useless junk.

Like, instead of tweeting for an hour though the day why not set aside one whole hour and work on an article or something that you actually care about and put that out there? But nope, the world has to know about the bus being early, then follow it up with an emoticon that I have no idea what the meaning is meant to be.

>>61859196
http://www.imitationpickles.org/starwars/1088543526

>>61865023
>page loads and renders fucking INSTANTLY

This is the future we could have chosen...

>>61865103
god, if only hotmail was still like this.

>>61864360
go to hell, nigger.

>>61851113
It was worse.
No adblockers, flash and java was (and still is) a virus entry point on Windows XP, unoptimized websites were taxing on old single core and dual core CPUs, the old internet was just less convenient overall.

>>61865226
Normie spotted. If you start talking about "convenience" and "cost" then you missed the point.

I remember when kazaa, ares, bearshare, and those other peer to peer programs were popular. So much porn, viruses, and illegal cheese pizza on there.

>>61865163
>n-word
>>>/pol/

>>61865261
>"n-word"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

>>61851113
I blame smartphones, along with social media.
But to answer, yes. Nowadays I try to stay offline.

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>>61865261
read fucking this

>>61865237
You still can't deny all the shit I said though.

>>61865261
Are you 12?

>>61865163
>pretending to be moralfag when he's naked from the waist down right now

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>>61851113
Fucking normies have destroy everything
/thread

>>61865336
Well, stop it, retard.

>>61865286
I'm not, but you missed the point then, and you're missing the point now. Which is why you're so bitter, and need to intrude on people who got it then and miss it now.

>>61865280
>not 80 characters wide

Not reading this shit if the maker couldn't even be bothered to make it readable on all screens.

>>61865375
fuck off screenlet phoneposter you're the problem

>>61865357
You missed the point too which is why u mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj4ANmB1uMY

>1990
>not having a telephone in your car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhyWJusemtI

>>61865415
I'm on a 14" laptop. Sorry I don't have a 40" 4K screen for shitposting on 4chan.

>>61857744
no one cares

>>61852454
I could handle this amount of tabs on my old 2 GB machine without a problem (Firefox).

My problem is, I have to use a 2.2 MBit connection. I don't go in the internet without massive script and ad blocking anymore. I always feel the urge to kill whoever put autoplay videos, especially ads and other unnecessary content in, because it will load minutes instead of the usual 10 seconds to complete a website.

I often used "legacy" designs, like the old Yahoo Mail (I don't use Yahoo anymore), same with old programs. I don't understand why they always want to make it "better" and turn the UI into pure shit or even remove functions. Skype is a good example, it was pretty nice with version 3.8, then Microshit took over and now you can't find anything but have huge loads of ads (and they are hard to block because they always find a new way to deliver ads).

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Yes without a doubt. I think the only thing I like about today and it's already been around for sometime is wikipedia.

Late 90's/Early 2000's was top tier internet.

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>>61865336
This is the end my friend, the normies have taken over our last sacred stronghold, the internet.

>>61866085
And now they're handing it to the corporations and government.

Yeah, it was.
Nowadays it's too centralised & commercial as fuck. You rarely see people making stuff just for shits and giggles.

Yes, it wasn't full of normalfags.

>>61863950
>Microshit used to ignore the Internet
MSDN? Blogs?

Maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=128IR21ZQa0

Is it bad to see companies hiring psychologists for ui design?

>>61865260
>illegal cheese pizza
What legal cheese pizza is there?

>>61851429
Palm pilot.

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>>61865261
you must be new here

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>>61851429
how young are you?

>>61857368
because discord is a reskinned google chrome
>discord
>>>/reddit/

>>61864733
>This is why I miss text files

We should bring back plain text files. The only place I see them now is on GameFAQs, though I haven't seen any new FAQs for some time because I barely play new games.

I got my first personal computer when I was 8 in very late 2006, and I distinctly remember that sites were dying off while a few big sites kept getting exponentially bigger.

There were a bunch of content-aggregation sites, most notably flash games, among the best of them was Newgrounds, which I used until everyone crossed over to Youtube around 2010.

Also, some boards on 4chan went to shit in a very short time period.

>>61864446
As the (sand)nigger/spic population goes up, the IQ goes down.

>>61851145
>there's only so much finite space on the internet.

>>61866845
>the point
>your head

>>61851113
<2007 internet (2011+ went downhill)
>forums anonymity and cool usernames and DP
>web pages are either 100% content or 10% funny harmless clickbaits
>prank sites (can't close the porn page and it glides across the screen)
>news sites or leisure sites load in seconds and doesn't have that retarded popup ads/mailing signup or "click next (page 1 of 9 so you can see more ads than content)"
>cool 3D gifs, some cool flash games or video streams
>3D icons were widely used on most forums and they were from linux distro themes
>hacker sites were still available in the surface web
>geocities
>content indexes
>google hasn't implemented caffeine and panda so contents show exactly what you need
>DMCA wasn't as aggressive as today
>no botnet. javascript and popups were optional. now? they even hid the ability to disable js and block popups. Remember when they decided to hide cookies manager from settings? remember zombie cookies era?
TL;DR internet used to be for highly intelligent beings. If you browsed the internet during 2009+ you're a fucking boomer shit nigger and kys.

>>61866845
Technically, there is

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>>61866734
>plain text files

"Your lines are, like, really long, and I have to keep swiping to read it."

>>61865415
>wasting 4k and 9000watts for reading 4chin pic
retard. the rule is 1024 +-10%

you could browse with js off and almost all websites would work.

Got Internet in 1995.
It was like a jungle.
The realy 00's (until 2005-2007) shaped it, put some order into it. It was great, too great for its own good: The Golden Age.


Then a weird plague made of policing, ads, paywalls, though-police and centralization hit it and it was shit. I only browse 4chan and Wikipedia nowadays. Internet is not the cyberspace anymore but an extension of reality... at least most of it. There is still haven of the old world remaining here and there.

>>61864037
35 years old here. I used to play door games on BBSes. I have no idea how I found the first number.. and I used to play on them when I was in elementary school. I introduced them to my friends as well. Maybe it was in a magazine I found the first one? :/ Of course once you're on one you can find others.

>>61851927
you can disable targetted google ads at adssettings.google.com

>>61865415
1600x1200 is the perfect resolution.

You mean the early-mid 2000s? The internet was completely infested with malware-ridden pop-up ads.

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>>61865375
readable on what now?

do you remember what porn was like circa 2000 and 2007?
i had a 56k modem in 2000. my faps usually were done before galleries finished loading. all i had offline was couple dozen of pics, mostly considered 'cult' or 'classic' these days.
i think it's because of being a horny teenager in that era of slow internet speeds i still get a chubby when just looking at thumbanils while browsing interesting porn sites, even before the material actually finishes downloading.

2007 for me was the first taste of broadband, since i used campus network. porn was obtained through limewire, etc, and you were never sure what you actually downloaded. us students had a local dc++ server full of porn, movies, games and scanned lecture notes. there were always some people in chat. great times.

nowadays i have a dedicated server for torrenting quality full hd porn and entire site dumps 24/7.

>>61867654
porn is bad for you

>>61852943
Mobile Chrome has something similar. You can tell it to download a website from provided url at a later time, when you have a working connection.

>>61851234
Opera was nice. Pity they went out of business rather than open sourcing and charging for support / custom dev work.

Yes. There was less black people.

>>61858925
there were plenty of mentally ill people on the internet during 2007 era, but they were still technically competent.

>>61862157
Nah I still use it, it autoforwards to my gmail.

>>61851113
you never used the internet before 2007?

>>61851145
ebaums world, 4chan, sa, gaia were a pretty large portion. myspace too.

>>61864446
Proportional iq in internet dropped like a rock when phones became mass goods.
It's a huge shift when the installed base in drops, it draws production of shitty content, and intrusive ads, that spill all over other sites.

>>61859180
new barriers of entry are continually created to separate the 'secret club' internet users from chads and staceys - tor, i2p, freenet. second gen internet is in the works. mesh networking meme is on the rise.

>>61851113
The pinnacle of the internet was late 90's/early 00's. It has been all downhill since.

>>61867968
you're at least 30, either way this is bs.

>>61867776
Niggers and narcissists.

tfw 4chan is one of the few pages that doesnt crash on my first gen ipad.

>>61867944
The problem is that they don't create the most important barrier: the technical barrier.

All the while the capacity for normie shit is allowed, normie shit will take hold.

This is why Gopher, Usenet, BBS, Shell accounts, etc. are normie proof.

>>61859196
squiggle.city/~dawnbreeze

>>61851180
>Society as a whole
This. Literally everything is trying to cater to these awful people.

is there any 4 chan on tor? or other things on tor. and i dont mean porn or drugs or other illegal shit.

>>61868031
as for tor, they simplified it with tor browser and tails, but before that you had to download a program, configure it, then configure your browser. this btfo all normies and even some weakly technical people. but afaik i2p and freenet are still like that.

>>61868209
plenty of tor-only imageboards. rarely moderated, so cp is likely to occur on their /b/-like boards, but thematic boards have normal, interesting discussions.

>>61868209
TOR can access anything on the net, not just >darknet stuff.

8[Our automated system thinks your post is spam] has dedicated TOR support but we all know how 4chan and 8[Our automated system thinks your post is spam] don't like each other.

>A "freesite" is a site hosted on the Freenet network. Because it contains only static content, it cannot contain any active content like server side scripts or databases. Freesites are coded in HTML and support as many features as the browser viewing the page allows; however, there are some exceptions where the Freenet software will remove parts of the code that may be used to reveal the identity of the person viewing the page (making a page access something on the internet, for example).
a solution presents itself

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>>61868447
>only static html

Oh god yes.

yah i miss hooking up with qt's in high school over msn and having a nice fuck after a movie date famlam

>>61868374
what i ment was a alternative to 4chan on tor so that normies cant visit

>>61868683
There are also Tor-specific search engines.

>>61868447
accounts
games
etc
useless in real world

>>61867310
That is not the point, nowadays disabling ads= inviting AIDS into your machine.

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>>61859277

>>61869497
>he wants to lock access to sites behind personal information
The internet had a comments section before javascript, anon. It's called email.

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I hate the new web, but I'm addicted to it. I don't even have hobbies any more, I just "browse the web*" all day.

*go on 4chan

>>61869891
do tell me how you could store
game accounts
bank data
v
emails on a server thats not your own
and so forth without accounts and databases?

>>61870139
Email clients existed before JS, faggot. You used a client and added your credentials to your settings.
Bank info, I'll give you that. Banks already can't figure out how to write webapps, if they tried writing actual programs they'd explode.
Games...don't need web browsers for logging in and therefore don't need JS.
Forums would've been a better thing to point out, but you're a newfag so you don't know what a forum is. Also, a guy on 8ch/cyber/ made a textmode-only chan using only HTTP requests, so there's your proof-of-concept for interactivity with only static html.

>>61870495
im talking about browser games. forums arent worth pointing out because you can just make a login similar to a trip, who actually needs forum profile pages?

why do you post so hostile? this isnt /v/.

>>61870834
>wants shit-tier browser gaymes
You're right, this isn't /v/. You must be lost.

>>61851113
what were /g/ threads like 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

I don't miss dial-up or DSL.

In fact, I've only owned 2 computers in my entire life.

Phones with web capabilities are amazing. But there are very huge downsides.

I'm going hungry and my meals consist of carbonated drinks(makes me feel full).

If you don't like technology enhancements, do something about it.

I real don't think the internet is better than it was back then. Nothing technological is much better(dependent upon the context). It's just been made more appealing.

Our country goes through technological revolutions. I can't say that we're in one. Some may never live to see one. They come in cycles of decades.

Hell, my fiancé helped me come up with facebook, the name/domain and a question. I came up with Bing and designs of Windows phones and such. Business and corporate strategies of corporations and such.
Lotsa other stuff.

And you know what? I'm on the verge of starving to death.

I don't have another Steve Jobs moment in me for the web. I just don't see one at this moment. The reality for me is a courtroom.

The web was officially in a mess in the late 90s.

I suppose, I came about at the right time.
And the wrong time.
-fbfounderNative
BinginventorNative
DuckDuckGoNative
etc. etc.

Richard Fairley

>>61851113
it was, right now there's way too much garbage produced by shitlords using social media. Youtube isn't the worst, but when you take into account that 300 hours of video are uploaded per minute, you know there are easily 299 hours of useless shit nobody needs nor wants to see.

>all these people using normie unironically
Did normalfaggots from /v/ completely take over this board?

>>61871124
10 years? guro
5 years? sinks

>>61851199
[citation needed]

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The downside is sharing.

Yes, to a degree.

I'm bothered by it on one hand, because it devalues so much else.

Intellectual property isn't some ethereal concept.

Especially when it comes to Native American invention etc.

It is not my intention to make them appear as white supremacists. They are making outward attempts to not be.

But it should be considered very thoroughly.

Our country wasn't so bad off economically that people had to resort to socialism and communism or any of its variations.

There's much to be said of it. Alot of it misleading self-evidently.


fbfounderNative

>>61851189
>internet aka google

you are a part of the problem. kys

>>61868001
And narcissistic niggers

>>61871593
Google and Facebook have pretty much taken over the internet. Their trackers are fucking everywhere.

>>61851137
I remember when I first got on social media. I thought it was really cool because they had some fun games attached to it. Everything was small back then so it was kinda an easy way to get in touch with friends.

>>61851506
lol xhtml is just an useless and autistic html derivative

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>>61851234

>>61870139
do you even know how people sign up to mailing lists? are you on any?

>>61868683
gotta make it uglier and harder to use.

maybe make a telnet version?

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How about in the 2000-2004 eras before children figured out what trolling was and the net was a nice place to collaborate and get information with like minded people without having shitposts everywhere? Those were the days.

>>61851113
> before 2007
It was different. Every video was valuable. I remember downloading a Harry Potter book in .chm and reading it all summer on the hone PC w/o the Internet. People didn't consume all that funny stuff endlessly, because almost nobody had an uncapped unlimited access to the web.

>>61872128
That would just be any off-the-shelf BBS.

>>61854541
How are usenet providers shady?

>>61853742
>ever using Internet Explorer
How does it feel to be an idiot

>>61851113
Only up to 10 minutes duration on YouTube, people upload tv shows or movies, [1/12] part in shitty quality.

No, but the retards that use /g/ will tell you otherwise

When people think of pre-2007-post-1999 internet culture, they often boil it down to Newgrounds culture and early 4chan culture

Thing is, newgrounds, for the most part, sucked balls. Everything good came from a handfull of people, with everything else being deviantart tier weebshit, shitty parodies where the joke is "ZOMG MARIO IS DOING DRUGS XD", and "games" that barley worked, if they worked at all

As for early 4chan, it was kind of an outlier. Sure, 4chan produced a lot of content that would be spread to other sites, but for the first few years, it was mostly self contained and really wasn't affected by the rest of the internet

Honestly, that's probably where the idea that the internet got worse post-2007 came from.

4chan started getting visited by people who used other websites besides 4chan, and as a result, the oldfags (anyone else remember when that was an insult?) started bitching and moaning because their sekrit club was being invaded

As for the rest of the internet, most sites were complete shit

Most forums were hot trash. For as much as /qa/ bitches and moans about 4chan's moderation, at least they didn't have to deal with old forum mods.

It wasn't uncommon for forums to be run by crazy people that would ban people for saying things that they didn't like, dissagreeing with them, and sometimes, just for the hell of it

Forums also frequently devolved in to popularity contests.

Take reddit, combine it with the supiriority complex that tripfags have on 4chan, and multiply it by a million

And god forbid a woman show up

See, that era of the internet had very few women on it. Sounds good, right?

No

See, whenever the illusive female would reveal herself, the autists using the site would instantly begin treating the slut like royalty in a pathetic attempt to get in to her pants

This would sometimes extent to the mods too. I remember getting banned from some pokemon forum for insulting a girl

>>61872606
>t. 2011 was the my first year in the internet

>>61852559
Now it's just traps getting impaled with large buttplugs.

>>61851113
Back then there was no having to share everything in your fucking life, at least not in the scale of it now

Geocities was kind of like that where everybody had their own little website and you'd be proud of your hits

Then Myspace

Then Facebook and Twitter was, in my opinion, where it all blew up and went to shit. This was all around 2007 or so when they blew up so yes that's when the internet went to shit.

>>61851113
Yes. 1998-2004 was the best time of the net

>>61859040
still is

some of us goons still come here, to this place we shaped in the beginning, and watched as it turned into the anal bead of the internet with proud eyes

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>>61872606
>It wasn't uncommon for forums to be run by crazy people that would ban people for saying things that they didn't like, dissagreeing with them, and sometimes, just for the hell of it

you were not on /b/ in the early days then, moot and snacks would ban people at random all the time for no reason, and it was hilarious

the part about the women on the internet is true, see pic

>>61872606
T H I S
The underageb& on this board need to seriously stop commenting on the state of the world/the internet more than 5 years ago.

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>>61851113
Seriously? Is that even a question? Social Networking just began. Myspace was huge at the time and then once Facebook came along it completely blew Myspace away. I remember the day my girlfriend told me to try Facebook. Also MSN Messenger. Good old days

>>61873795
As I said, 4chan was an outlier.

The rest of the internet borrowed memes from it after it had been around for a few years, but early 4chan was, culturally, separate from the rest of the internet.

The only sites that really affected it were something awful early on, and spinoff sites like 5chan and anontalk

>>61873208
I've never been "in" the internet

nice post tho. the greentext makes it very ebin

>>61872606
/qa/ hates mods because it literally has less rules than /b/ and mods take wanton effort in not enforcing any

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>>61875087
>I've never been "in" the internet
Yeah? Well I bet you creo que esto es un insulto porque estoy traduciendo, pero tienes razón. Fue mistake de ortografía because soy un retardado

>>61875399
>creo
I don't know Spanish but is this the right declension?

>>61872606
>See, whenever the illusive female would reveal herself, the autists using the site would instantly begin treating the slut like royalty in a pathetic attempt to get in to her pants

I laughed because this actually happened. Small forum devoted to an unpopular game in 2003. Must have had around 250 active members, a few of which were women. A few of them were classic attention whores and one took it to then next level. She posted a picture of herself and was a hot blonde. As expected she got showered with orbiters, one of which became her cyber BF and he followed her around like a dog.

Months went by and suddenly it was revealed she had a fatal lung disease. She went for an operation and died. Some time later she came back and revealed she never actually had any disease. Even the picture of her was fake (cousin apparently) and she was some butterface.

So yeah, the Internet has always been shit. It's just a different kind of shit today.

>>61875087
>mentions anontalk as if it carries any sort of relevance

hey kimmo, done being a pedo yet?