Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/tgLjhT7S15U
We are so fucked
>>61842164
PICKLE RICK
>>61842164
As if we hadn't put computers into enough things that didn't need computers in them...
>>61842704
P I C K L E R I C K
>>61842164
Poor beetler.
>>61842774
Eh, i dont think insects are "alive" the same way we are.
>>61842164
Botnet beatle. Also can I install gentoo on my beatle.
Check the last part, the dude was soldering the wire up in the insect's head ?
Pile of crap it seems. Looks like they are putting some small current through one leg and the insect moves that extremity. This had been done on frog legs--nothing new.
>>61842857
>I can't communicate with it so it's not "alive"
That's a real stupid way to rationalize something.
>>61842941
do most insects even have any sort of self awareness? I know its been a hot topic for years, but i think not.
>>61843088
Dunno, there's no way to prove either way, is there ?
Ethics aside, it's a cool project. Beetles can certainly get inside more cramped spaces than even a tiny quadcopter drone could.
>>61843228
They have no brains, only central nervous systems. Like you.
>>61843088
>do most insects even have any sort of self awareness?
Absolutely not.
>I know its been a hot topic for years
No it hasn't, you're thinking of animals such as apes/elephants/cetaceans and other intelligent mammals. Noone has tried to claim insects are sentient or self-aware in any way.
>>61842164
Couldn't you use this to make quadriplegic people move?
animal cruelty desu
>>61844010
if the muscles function, yeah. It's a good thing they're doing this on bugs because it looks really unethical
Wonder how long it will take for (((them))) to start controlling humans like that
>>61844101
(((()))) is created by ((((them)))) as an example of psyop
they've been experimenting with this stuff for like 10 years. they want so badly to tell people they have bug bugs but they can't.
>>61842164
Look into the eyes of that old gook. He's done this on people. Either that, or he's willing to.
What stops them from doing a human version of this device and transform women into sexbots?
Insects are already basically little robots that have no thoughts, so seems like a neat project.
>>61844303
The fact that humans are several hundred times as complex as beetles. Or something. We'll get there eventually
>>61842581
Why?
>>61842774
Insects are glue logic.
They don't have self awareness or a ghost.
How long till robotic japanese bug fights?
>>61842164
>peaceful use
>spy on "terrorists"
>inb4 government controlled spy beetles
kek
>>61843228
>Theres people that unironically raise the concern of "insect ethics".
Vegans are beyond retarded. A new word is necessary to describe them. Perhaps vegan may just suit it.
Kill yourself.
When will they be able to tap into their visual data and send it to a screen miles away?
>>61846009
Their vision isn't very sophisticated. Probably just blobs with basic edge and movement detection.
>>61842857
maybe, but still - it doesn't sit right with me morally.
Acoustic beetle when?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty
Looks like ok
>>61846009
They did that with a cat awhile back
>>61842857
They might not be, yet they still feel pain.
>>61843997
They are still sentient in some capacity, for that reason I think OP's video is a moral wrongdoing
>>61845343
Why shouldn't we? We should also discuss plant ethics as well. It's not right to destroy a bunch of forests when we don't need to. We should strive to reduce the damage we do to other forms of life as much as reasonably possible. Which is just my opinion anyway, because I have arbitrarily have decided to put a value on life. Why? It just feels right I guess.
I'll add that I still kill insects that attack me, fuck those evil fuckers, that's where my contract of non aggression ends. Otherwise I leave them alone or relocate them
>>61848534
Insects don't feel pain and don't have cognitive function. They're little more than biological robots reacting with a fixed set of responses to any stimuli.
Graduate Robotics and Electrical Engineer here
This is really great
Although this is not even the fetus stage for development most likely.
I dislike how the nu-male asked for the controller, I'd have much rather wanted to see the experts who've been doing it for however long control the beetle instead.
I couldn't care less about the beetle itself if it felt maximum pain or not.
>>61848901
They have pain receptors (nociceptors) and the neural pathways to report it. Pain has been a useful feedback format since at least a billion years that preceded central nervous systems. What you described could be interpreted as insects having motivational frameworks, and pain is part of those.
>>61848901
>They're little more than biological robots reacting with a fixed set of responses to any stimuli.
Aren't we all?
>>61842164
this is immoral
>>61849628
No, human beings have a soul
Iirc bugs usually have just a modified central nervous system for a brain. Also if fungus and wasp are allowed to get in a big brain and make it do what the infector wants then we should too.
>>61842164
Buttflustered Animal SJWs are incoming
>>61842164
Remember not to snib the snab :DDDD
>>61842164
bugnet
>>61848879
No they aren't
>>61849667
wtf i love christianity now
>>61849667
if humans had souls, how do you explain women?
Actually, whether insects can process pain or not is an irrelevant question. You can't experience what the insect does.
The same way you can't experience what another human does, but you still make the irrational assumption that they do, despite no evidence.
The crucial matter is whether you empathize or feel sorry for the subject. If you do, then it means that there is, in fact, pain. Their pain is being processed through you, your brain.
So an insect does feel pain, in a way, if it is being observed by an intelligent, empathetic being. The concept of an individual organism is a spook, the entire biopshere of the planet is one interconnected system.
The beetle is part of you.
>>61842164
jesus christ smite them
>>61844101
>implying they aren't already controlling you and editing your memories to make sure you don't realize it
>>61851007
underrated post
>>61849667
Animals just have lesser ability and freewill.
The only problem is when your "karma" or vibrations become lower than the earth or as high as the heavens.
>>61844101
>implying despair code isn't cracked already.
>>61850970
>not loving islam
>>61851676
>cup in one hand
>phone in the other
but then who was driver?
>>61851877
knee
>>61844565
>ghost
Neither humans
>It struggles, but it still obeys the stimulation signals
>>61842164
beetles fredums! I object!
>>61842164
this guy was on "the amp hour" the podcast
>>61848901
> Biological robots
Pham, it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck
>>61844565
animals have souls and they will testify against you on judgement day
>>61842774
It says in the video that it doesn't hurt the beetle, it's only controlling the nerve system and they can take it out. This has been done on humans too, it doesn't hurt you just can't control the muscles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvP4sf0vJfo
>>61849611
They don't interpret pain the same way we do.
>>61852878
t. anus
pain is the most primitive part of any nervous system, there's no reason to think it's different between any creature that possess one
>>61842164
remote controlled turks?
great just what the world needed
this is disgusting. poor creatures
>>61851934
How come? Humans are self aware. You look in the mirror and you recognize yourself. Your senses draw a reality in your mind that your brain creates, your philosophical "ghost" is what recognises that world and recognizes itself when it looks in the mirror.
Did you think we are talking about a soul or some shit?
>>61843997
>Absolutely not.
>http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=6822
>The study looks almost perfect, if ridiculously low-tech: the kind of thing an undergrad might do with a budget of $3.50. All you need is a mirror, a piece of Plexiglas, and a bunch of ants.
>Oh, and blue paint. The whole thing comes down to blue paint.
>Start with the Plexiglas. Put Ant A on one side, Ant B on the other. Ant A shows no reaction to its buddy at all. So far so good.
>Stick it in front of a mirror. Now it pays attention. Goes up to the glass, taps its reflection, shows interest it never showed with the real ant on the other side of the plexi. Interesting.
>Maybe it’s reacting to something in the mirror, some chemical in the silver backing perhaps. So put a dot of blue paint on its head and put it in front of the mirror again. This time it checks out its reflection and starts grooming its head, as if to get rid of that weird-ass dot that just appeared there. It never tries to groom its reflection, which is where it actually saw the paint.
>http://www.journalofscience.net/File_Folder/521-532%28jos%29.pdf
>ARE ANTS (HYMENOPTERA, FORMICIDAE) CAPABLE OF SELF
RECOGNITION?
>>61853775
what if you put paint on it but don't show it the mirror?
because it can feel the paint on its body otherwise
>>61849667
>>61842164
It sounds edgy but I'm starting to dislike humanity
>>61853856
Those are just bugs.
If you want reasons to hate humanity, check the amount of species we're driving to extinction through poaching and habitat destruction, or stuff like ocean acidification. Now that's some shit, m8.
>>61853775
If you're just using regular paint then the animal can feel it. An animal that demonstrates self awareness will investigate the paint which is typically of a special composition that makes it so the animal cannot feel it. All the """"experiment""" you described shows is the animal felt something irritating on its head and tried to remove it.
>>61853921
If you want to hate humanity, check out what we are doing to our own species.
>>61848879
>They are still sentient in some capacity
No they are not. Sentience is not on a scale, you are either sentient or you are not.
>>61853987
We deserve it though, especially consumers who tolerate and blindly support anti-user, anti-privacy, anti-freedom practices.
>>61853775
Some apes and dolphins (?) are the only other species excepts humans on planet Earth that show any signs of self awareness when looking in a mirror.
>>61853998
>No they are not. Sentience is not on a scale, you are either sentient or you are not.
I don't get it how someone could not understand what "sentient" means.
>>61854024
>We deserve it though
There we go, let's find excuses, we deserve it because we are self destructive species. Great.
>>61854036
>my pop sci self-""education"" trumps experiment
nice
>>61849628
We are. We have just reached a level of consciousness where we can't perceive our instincts or reasoning.
Just a bunch of wires in our head that gives us the illusion of free will.
We are self aware, capable of solving complex problems and even able to philosophy our existence. Yet most of our existence is guided by simple sets of rules our brains developed of thousands of years and our bodies are nothing more the biological vessels burning energy and trying to self repair while having terminal flaws in it's code.
>>61854157
Explain?
>>61854095
No, because we are ignorant retards as both individuals and as a whole. Look at scientists: even a lifetime of scientific rigour won't protect you from inherent bias.
>moralfagging on my /g/
Go back to >>>/LGBT/, cucks
>>61854036
Wrong. All great apes, cetaceans, elephantidae, some corvids and even some cephalopods all demonstrate self-awareness.
>>61854253
It's more likely than you think
>>61853804
>>61854036
>>61853976
>Okay, um, maybe it could just feel the paint up there. Maybe it itched or something. So try a speck of brown, ant-coloured paint, something that won’t be visually obvious in reflection.
>No grooming.
>Put a speck of blue paint on the back of the head, where the ant can’t see it in a mirror. No grooming.
>>61854292
I didn't read the PDF, is that actually what happened? That's pretty cool. Makes me feel good about never destroying any anthills.
>>61854253
>you have to be a psychopathic autist to post on /g/
>only fags have empathy
>>61854347
You don't have to shitpost your moral fagfest whenever there's an animal involved, do you unironically just waltz into conversations about farming/livestock and start raving about muh piggies, cows and chickens who live in far worse conditions? What about inventions that were only possible through experimentation on rats and chimps? Do you avoid using those products?
Should we just drop all research that involves animals so that scientists comply with your hippie, anarcho-primitivist pipe dream bullshit? it's just gay to insert this conversation on the thread, which makes you guys moral attention whores.
>>61842164
just like the roboroach, the beetlebot will resist control over it. eventually neuroplasticity will catch up to overcome the BCI so that control over the beetle is nearly impossible. a potential way to overcome this is by adding a reward system to the BCI, so that the beetle has a desire to obey the BCI instead of fight against it.
>tfw neuroengfag
>tfw never got into mind controlling creatures because muh ethics
>tfw missing out on millions of dollerydoos
>>61854312
Well, I think from evolutionary point of view, for ants its good to have a ability to check yourself in a mirror. You know, there are shrooms that turn ants into a zombies. So when an ant can see itself in a water droplet and it sees that something weird is growing on its head, it may be a bonus if it understand that it needs to clean its fucking head, or else...
>>61854593
you shouldn't mistreat animals. the end.
ends do not justify the means.
there's many medical advances that were only made possible by cruel human experimentation in the 17-1800s, that does not justify it
kill yourself
>>61856692
Your idea of ethics revolves around living in mudhuts eating grass away from animals so that we don't mistreat/destroy them.
You say this while using products that were made of raw resources that kill more animals than a few Koreans making experiments on beetles.
You eco-schizos are mentally ill.