>Buy 8TB hard drive >it's 7.2TB ???????????

>>61835966
the ABSOLUTE state of /g/

>local man doesn't understand how storage works

bro you didnt check for terabyte mites before you installed that HDD, did you?

It can contain 8 trillion bytes so what is the problem?

>>61835966
wow anon, looks like you got screwed, see if you can download more

>He didn't format it

Ya dunce

>>61836022
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>61835966
It's 8TB, the Windows file manager shows disk size in tebibytes (TiB), not terabytes (TB). Windows is misleading you, install OpenBSD.

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>>61835966
You didn't activate the extra storage?
Generally they leave the last platter locked and strictly use it for the firmware/drivers.
You can un-lock the last platter by simply opening your case and removing the fabric here.

>>61836097
this
freeBSD can unlock it software side but it's risky, just pull the fabric

>>61836136
>>61836097
whats that going to do?

>>61836329
There is a sensor. If it doesn't detect the cloth, it allows you to format the last platter.
The reason they can sell them as "8TB" is because the storage is actually included. It's just that you can't access it by default.

>>61836354
Honestly can't tell if this is /g/'s version of "Heat up a plastic spoon wrapped in a towel then run it under cold water"

>>61836354
thats a bad lie

>>61836386
>Heat up a plastic spoon wrapped in a towel then run it under cold water
what happens then?

>>61836458
Kaboom

>>61835966
>I don't know the difference between TiB and TB
why is this happening to /g/

Daily reminder a TB is 1024GB and a GB is 1024, anyone who says otherwise should stop using computers

>>61835966
Windows uses this space to share updates to other Windows users.

>>61836632
I wish it still was that way. But the storage industry had to make more money and thus pushed TB/GB vs TiB/GiB o they had to manufacture less storage. Sadly TB is no 1024GB in todays world.

>>61836632
you fucking moron, TiB is 1024 GiB, GiB is 1024 MiB,
kila = 1000, mega = 1000000, giga = 1000000000

kibi = 1024, mebi = 1048576, gibi = 1073741842

>>61836632
No, that's TiB, and GiB. Terabyte and gigabyte are decimal, while tebibyte gibibyte are binary prefixes.

>>61836687
>ibi uchuu~
Kill yourself you weeb

>>61836097
>>61836354
Have a (you) for making me giggle.

>>61835980
You don't either. It's how the OS represents bytes.

>>61836458
>>61836461
Why does a plastic spoon go boom?

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>pay for 25 mbps down
>internet speed is actually just 3.1 mbps down

Your drive is 8TB or 8*10^12 bytes Windows shows how many TiB you have (1 TiB is 2^40 bytes) so dividing the two 8*10^12/2^40=7.275

>>61835966
The rest is for system files.

>>61836769
Read the thread, retard:
>>61836097
>>61836354

thanks Obama

>>61836778
>windows eats up 730 GB of space on an empty drive for no reason
Linux doesn't have this problem.

>>61836097
All seriousness, what is that cloth? What does it do? Genuinely curious.

>>61836729
>>61836458

Just realized I typed plastic instead of metal

Holy smokes lmao

>>61836852
that's to keep dust from getting into the device.

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>>61836097
>snipping tool

>>61836632
Giga is 1000
Gibi is 1024
Learn2SI base unit, you dumb nigger

>>61836923
Any better tools? Which will allow you to paste the image immediately into windows file explorer?

>>61836951
ShareX

>>61835966
>I'll take Microsoft file systems for $100, Alex.

>this file system was created to during WINDOWS NT, and solved an issue to recognize hard drives larger than 32GB. It's MFT (Master File Table) takes up a percentage of the drive based on the physical size of the hard drive.

Someone help this fag out.

>>61837734
Would be good if it let you copy .jpg to clipoard.

>>61837803
It's possible, go to the menu and click after capture > click on copy image to clipboard

>>61837803
https://streamable.com/ew9dd

>>61836951
>>61837734
sharex is a batch of bloatware features and half of them dont even work

i use greenshot

http://getgreenshot.org/

>>61837907
Copy image copies png, copy file doesn't work (yeah I tried it with save image to file both on and off).
I make do with copy filepath, but it's still bothersome, I'd like to utilise 4chanX's ability ctrl+V images from your clipboard.

>>61835966
8(10^12) / 2^40 = 7.275957614183426

>>61835966
>His OS uses nonstandard unit sizes
That's what you get for using windows. Quality operating systems support using standard SI units like drive manufactures use.

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>>61835966
>https://www.google.com/search?q=8+terabytes+to+tebibytes
>8 terabytes to tebibytes
you are literally retarded

>>61835966
It's Drumpf's fault, they launched a new data tax on HDDs. They are all taxed 10% of their total capacity.

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>>61838044
it is displaying tebibytes which IS standard for operating systems.

terabytes is the nonstandard form for data in an os.

terabyte = 10^12bytes. This is base 10.
Tebibyte = 2^40 bytes. this is base 2.

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>>61835966
>"Bill. I'm afraid it's not possible. We can't shrink the hardware backdoor any smaller than .8TB, it's just not physically possible."

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>>61836458
this happens then.

>>61836097
>>61836136
Ok I tried this but now my computer is stuck at the boot screen.

>>61836386
>plastic
>>61836458
>what happens then?
probably you put out the fire on the burning plastic spoon

>>61838116
ultimate kek

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I sometimes wonder how many retail computer stores have to put up with hard drive returns because the capacity is apparently underrepresented by the OS.

>>61836097
I wasnt expecting /g/ to be funny today.
>>61836852
Its a dust filter for inside the drive since you cant have any dust in there without fucking shit up 99% of the time.

>>61838182
you might need to clean the platter, just use some windex and a clean paper towel

some megabytes fall off and get lost in shipping, it says so on the packaging

>>61836748
cant tell if stupid or troll

>>61836852

>>61838134
That guy's eye must be fake

>>61838134
lul thank god someone had this
Haven't seen it in a hwhile

>he doesn't know about digital dust

>>61838698
idk man, ive never seen that in the corner of any hard drive

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>>61835966
Is it still summer?

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>>61835966
Holy fuck! They robbed you, literally!!!
Take it back to where you bought it and tell them that employee who sold it to you stole 800GB of hard drive memory!

Call the cops too!

>>61835969
They really should advertise the byte value or this shit.
What the fuck uses bits to store anything

>>61838925
Everything that uses bytes?

>>61835966
Your operating system is faulty.

>>61835966
>>61835969
>>61835980
>>61835998
>>61836078
>>61836097
>>61836601
>>61836687
>>61836716
>>61836769
>>61836845
>>61836949
>>61838044
>>61838083

You know, this was already aggravating enough in the 90s, 20 years later, we shouldn't be having this problem. one terabyte is 1024 gigabytes.

1024 is the unit of storage in computers and has been the standard for years and will continue being the standard.

>>61835966
First of all,
REEE LURK MOAR NEW FAG >>>/v/IRGIN
Second of all,
Your hardrive is measured in Terabytes(1000GB) While Wangblows measures it in Tibibytes(1024GiB)
>>61836716
Retard.
>>61836022
Dumbass
>>61836097
This might also be the solution, had to do it with mine.

>>61836769
>>61836845
once again windows ruins everything.

>>61836748
they use different format for marketing so it looks nicer. idk why operating systems use the format that shows smaller values by defalt tho.

Why did windows and other OS switch to 1024? 1000 was much simpler to deal with

>>61839096
empirical evidence indicates otherwise

>>61839010
are you retarded or just autistic?
maybe we need to start measuring interstate travel with mm/inches instead of km/mi
Or maybe we should sell gasoline in ounces/milliliters but change the abbreviations to g/l

>>61839149
What evidence is that anon?

>>61839096
Well you must be fucking retarded, because over here in the EU we have this wondeful system called Système Internationald'Unités, which basically means that kilo, giga, tera, etc. have strict fucking definitions as powers of fucking ten. If you want powers of 1024, use kibi, tebi, ebi, yobi and whatnot. Furthermore, the 'k' has to be **small**. It is not KiB, it is kiB, just like you don't say Km but instead km.

>>61835966
MODS DO YOUR JOB

>>61839283
mods have forsaken this shithole of a board.

>>61839251
i see a general shift towards usage of IEC prefixes in applications i use

>>61839258
It doesn't matter some intelectuals in ivory towers thing. What matters is what is used as a standard. Your computer reads it as 1024, and 1024 is what it is.

If your computer read it as 1000, that would be different. And even if you were to push that theory. The drives don't contain full number in storage, the drives don't have rounded byte endings.

>>61838134
I have a strict policy of not downloading any sort of gore

had to make an exception for quality meme

>>>/b/741688844
Lets see if /b/ falls for the spoon trick

>>61837983
yes, greenshot is great.

>>61839398
I'll be monitoring that thread.

>>61839294
>>61839283
Yep, jannies and mods do not exist on /b/. Rarely do they visit us, and mostly its because someone posts a sp00ky 10000x10000 gif that has nothing but white in it. All it does is crashes mobile browsers

>>61839432
HE ACTUALLY FUCKING FELL FOR IT
>>>/b/741690088

>>61839456
I call BS on that calm and collected response

>>61838116
kek

>>61839356
actually the computer doesn't care either way. What you are referring to is how it is being displayed by programs and some programs indeed prefer to use kB instead of kiB. SI units are a standard you fucking imbecile.

>>61835966
You bought a drive with 8 Terrabytes, the computer shows the size in the unit Tebibytes however.

1Terrabyte= 10^12Bytes
1Tebibyte= 2^40Bytes

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>>61835966

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>>61835966
Why doesn't Windows have an option to change from TiB to TB?

>>61835966
It would be neat if they added the extra capacity needed for it to show up as an 8TB drive.
Same goes for cell phones, it's pretty shit that they advertise 16GB or whatever but only have like 8GB actually usable.

>>61839500
I have honestly never come across anywhere that lists things in 1000, everything is listed in 1024, even if I change my settings to say shit is 1000, that still leaves everything and everywhere else listing at 1024

>>61839750
I think it would just be more confusing.

>>61839832
OS-X does it.

Don't know about any individual Windows or Linux programs though.

>>61839456
newfag

>>61839235
Byte is just a quantity of bits, therefore everything that uses bytes uses bits; evverything that uses km uses m etc.

Americans will never fully grasp the metric system.

1 kilobyte (KB) = 1000 bytes (base 10, decimal, SI)
1 kibibyte (KiB) = 1024 bytes (base 2, binary, IEC)

Your hard drive stores binary, and therefore is base 2, IEC. It's 8TiB, which is 7.2TB

>>61835966
>not removing the spyware partition

>>61839750
Except Windows is already showing the value in TB. Binary data is not decimal data.. Who would have thought lol. What you want is for windows to show the size in TiB.

>>61839258
No one gives a shit about retarded Euros. We created all this tech, you're just using it. Fuck off cuck

>>61838925
what the fuck are you talking about? are you fucking braindead? 1 byte = 8 bits
if the fucking drive was measured in bits, it'd be 8 terabits = 1 teribyte
except this is measuring a fucking drive in SI bytes, i.e. 1 TERAbyte, which is 0.909 TEBIbytes, or 8 TERAbytes is 7.2 TEBIbytes, which is what windows uses and calls a TERAbyte
mouth-breathing fucking mongoloid luddite nigger faggot

>>61836078
>e Windows file manager shows disk size in tebibytes (TiB), not terabytes (TB)

Interesting theory. Why does OP's image show "TB", then?

>>61835966
Don't use windows, that shit calls "TB" what is actually a "TiB".
The hard drive is actually 8TB

>>61840186
there are 8 bits in a byte and 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, you literal retard.

The more kbs you have, the more off the number will be hence we have shit like 8tb = ~7tb


atleast educate yourself before you go online trying to sound smart.

>>61840204
Because Microsoft calls TiB TB since the DOS ages I think and they never felt like changing it on Wimdows, like many other broken / shitty details.

>>61840002
Decimal has nothing to do with it. Storage is in base two because bits have two states. A kilobyte is a thousand bytes, however may bits a byte is. Even if you have 8 bits per byte, you can still count bytes in base 10.

>>61840292
1024 is base 2, 1000 is base 10..

If you dispute that, I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're actually retarded.

>buy 200gb microSD card
>it's 180gb

>>61840338
How can 1024 be base 2 if it has the digits "2" and "4" in it retard

>>61840338
I'm saying that base 2 is for counting bits. You don't need to count bytes in base two. A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, which is base 10.

>>61840375
2^10=1024

>>61840401
So what, that doesn't make "1024" base 2. It's just a number that can be represented in any base. It's a power of 2, I'll give you that.

>>61840292
You CAN, but various entities initially decided the approximation that we now call kilobinarybyte KiB that is actually containing 1024 bytes was close enough to just call it kilobyte.

Of course on the way to yottabyte you're already off by 20% with the yottabinarybyte, so that wasn't such a great idea.

>>61840412
I'm sorry, but you'll have to repeat the 4th grade.

>>61840375
>>61840412
does it physically hurt being this retarded?

>>61840412
Technically speaking, yes, the representation of the arabic numerals 1,0,2 and 4 are not in a base 2 counting system.

>>61840442
In the US, that's intermediate finger painting.

>>61840263
>there are 8 bits in a byte and 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, you literal retard.
>atleast educate yourself before you go online trying to sound smart.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>61840442
>>61840449
>The base-2 system is a positional notation with a radix of 2.
1024 in base 2 would be 10000000000.

>>61835966
>can get dubs
>cant understand powers of two
The LORD has forsaken us

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>everyone in this thread using the wrong metric

>>61840505
1024 is the resulting number of an exponent with base 2. You're talking about the base 2 representation of a decimal number.

>>61840573
>not measuring your bytes in gallons.

>>61840418
It doesn't make any sense. If I sell boxed chocolates, 8 to a box, there is no reason at all for me to decide that 1000 boxes really means 1024 boxes, on account of there being 8 chocolates per box.

>>61840263
nice troll attempt desu, 5.5/10

>>61840724
>not measuring your bytes in stones

>>61840728
Take it up with Math.
Be careful though, I hear he can run rounds around the mean types.

>>61838661
Ok, just got back and dipped my laptop into a bucket of windex. NOW IT DOESN'T EVEN BOOT.

https://youtu.be/ck-pxXhS86Y

>>61835966
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_configuration_overlay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_protected_area

>>61836097
TIL

The NSA reserves part of every drive for their spying technology.

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>>61835966

>>61835966
I agree, If you buy 8 tb, it should read 8 tb in Windows end of.
Manufacturers should do the maths and the customer should get what he paid for.
They're the ones who should but in the necessary extra gb's to make up the difference.

>>61841493

It's not a Microsoft thing you moron.

Adobe, 4chan, tons of tech companies say 1 gigabyte = 1024 kilobytes

None of that Kibi shit.

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>>61836097

>>61836951

Press Windows Key + Printscreen and it will autosave the clipboard to My Pictures/Screenshots

>>61836951
WINKEY + SHIFT + S
will put the selection onto your clipboard

>>61841834
>Adobe, 4chan, tons of tech companies say 1 gigabyte = 1024 kilobytes

Damn, getting crazy jewed on storage

>>61836852
It's for wiping the drive

>>61835966
the state of /g/

>>61836632
We don't use the retarded american system here

>>61836852
Filter for any small particles that may end up inside the enclosure

>>61836923
that is 4chan x my dude

>>61835966
you just paid your Jizya tax christian cuck.

>>61836078
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE HOLY SHIT
It's stunning how many people still don't understand why Windows does this

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>>61840856
fuc k I came to post this

>buy 2 liter bottle of soy milk
>it's only 1.8 liters when I weigh it
?

>>61844211
try taking the milk out of the bottle first
it might be throwing the scale off

>>61839366
shut up newfag

>>61844211
Wait for it to chunk

>>61838134
Yeah but how do I weaponize this

>>61839832
Linux uses SI units in GNOME. Also if you use a capital H with df it does SI.

>>61839258
lol what a nurd

>>61835966
>buy 7.2 TiB harddrive
>be confused to find out that it is, in fact, a 7.2 TiB harddrive
What did he mean by this?

>>61839121
1 Tibi = 1000

1 Tera = 1024

1 Tera = 1024^4

>>61835969
It's dumb /r9k/ reddit posters leaking, seriously that place is dumber than /b/.

>>61845257
Wrong way around dude. Tera = 1000 Tibi = 1024.

The Apple Macbook Pro with Retina Display doesn't have this problem.

>>61839096
>>61839251
>>61839356

https://www.tarsnap.com/GB-why.html
/thread

God you people are fucking retarded. The only example where the commonly-used unit was 2^x is fucking memory, and that only makes sense because the number of bits you can address actually matters in that context. Your kernel doesn't access your disk through address space so using 2^x is fucking retarded.

>>61839121
>Your hardrive is measured in Terabytes(1000GB) While Wangblows measures it in Tibibytes(1024GiB)

Fuck off shill. 1024GB was always what a terabyte was supposed to be. HDD manufacturers realized they could make it one trillion bytes instead of 2^40 like it's supposed to be and still market it as 1TB*, then after the fact they came up with this GiB/TiB nonsense to justify it. Windows is in the right here.

I heard getting anything above 3 or 4 TB on a hard drive is risky.
Friend told me that anything above that storage tends to get more unstable.

Also I bought a 6TB WD a while back and with it almost full I am wondering if some HDD's will say they offer X amount of storage . When in reality HDD's have about 1-2 TB of physical diskspace, and the rest of storage is determined by compression algorithms.

Also
>not getting an HDD with an on/off switch in the back of it
anyone rec me a good HDD?

>>61846734
According to statistics, anything beyond 2TB is treading on dangerous grounds.

>>61846734
>>not getting an HDD with an on/off switch in the back of it

Those are the worst kinds of drives on top of the large density drives.
Drives being turned on and off regularly breaks them quicker.
The drive motor breaks down more.
Motors aren't 100% perfect you know.

>>61842162
underrated

>>61844728
1. Make legit looking instructions for reproducing it (claim some cool outcome).
2. Share it on 4chin.

>>61835966
Hard drive tax

The more GB you use, the more GB you pay. Seems fair to me

>>61839128
>windows
It's computers dummy
Computers operate on a binary system

>>61835966
> >it's 7.2TB
I bet jews did this.

>>61846804
Source?

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>>61840573

>>61847765
I actually thought this was true for a long time.

>>61847849
Google BackBlaze HDD reliability

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>>61847976
but how reliable is BackBlaze, hmmm?

I blame the Europeans for decimalization.

>>61835966
Fuckin jews stole your GBs

I remember when I assembled my first PC back in 1999. I had a 13 GB HDD, but when I connected and formatted it, Win 98 claimed it was only 12.1 GB. I was confused as fuck and scared that I damaged the HDD somehow. I phoned my older cousin, who told me to stop being a little fuck and that this is simply some fuckery the manfacturers do. Good times.

>>61848033
at least back then you could have actually done something wrong to limit the size you could use
like picking fat16 or using the wrong jumper settings, or even setting incorrect manual CHS settings in your bios

>>61836097
wew lad

>>61835966
Is the Summer Limited Edition
You Good

>>61847997
>1760 yards in one mile.
k

>>61850678
1,000 meters in one kilometer
half a kilometer is 500 meters

half a mile is.... 880 yards? or.. 3,960 bananas.

Dude I'm literally 3,960 bananas from your house. chill.

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>>61840263
>kilogram = 1000 grams
>kilometer = 1000 meters
>somehow a kilobyte = 1024 bytes

>>61850944
burgers can't into metric

>>61850944
1000 makes an awkward binary number

>>61835966
>8TiB
>8796093022208 bytes

stop being a retard

>>61850944

Actually according to the ISO standard a kilobyte is 1000 bytes and 1024 bytes is a kibibyte

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just click on "property"

the fact is that i'm buying a 8"TB" HDD not a 8"TiB" HDD

>>61836823
EXT4, for example, with the extra overheads of just storing files and the bitmap, as well as the reserved root space would probably accounts for some 700GB on an 8TB disk (compared to NTFS overhead).

>>61851744
most of the space used by a freshly formatted ext4 volume is preallocated inodes
this helps reduce fragmentation
ps. ntfs still needs to write similar information as you actually put files on the disk, it just does that when it needs to, so it makes little sense to compare overhead between ntfs and ext4 with no files on them

>>61840375
How can someone be this dumb

>>61851869
http://lmgtfy.com/?s=d&q=base+2
Yeah, he probably knows what the brainlet meant, but what the fuck do you expect from 4chins?

>>61840375
the context is lost on you
"1024" is the decimal representation of the base2 number "10000000000", we translate binary/base2 numbers to decimal for human manipulation for the convenience of it, computers don't work in base10/decimal, they not /actually/ seeing "1024", but rather "10000000000"

>>61840375
>>61852009
also, to be clear, the "1000" he mentioned is also meant to be interpreted as a decimal number, which in binary is "1111101000"

>>61852009
see>>61851972
>he probably knows what the brainlet meant, but what the fuck do you expect from 4chins
Seriously though, it's not like we are full of autists who dislike inaccurate comments.

>>61852009
>computers don't work in base10/decimal, they not /actually/ seeing
Not relevant, because they don't work in TiB/GiB/etc either. It's only used for the users' convenience.
Could as well be TB/GB/etc.

>>61835966
how fucking new are you

>>61852086
you're right, though there are good reasons for using GiB/TiB, in that they align with binary boundries, while GB/TB do not
that is, 1GiB and 1TiB are exactly 2^30 and 2^40 bytes, respectfully

>>61852227
that is to say, GB and TB are rather arbitrary in the context of binary values, which they are being used to represent

IEC > SI

SI was literally a mistake.

>>61846679
Thanks anon <3

>>61835966
>buy 2TB+ hard drive
>it fails after 3 months

enjoy your data loss OP

>>61835966
>>Buy 8TiB hard drive
>>it's 7.2TB

>>61851744
You can tweak that. The default is 5%, I change it to 1% percent on media drives (don't put to zero, will causes fragmentation), and 2% on boot drives. You can also reduce the inode count, since the default is also very large, and each inode reserves 256 bytes of space.

>>61852509
Well that would be a rip-off